Why The Rivalry between O(+> & MJJ?
Larry Ellis
request to work with him, but it has to be something more than that.
It could be simple jealousy on Michael's behalf. I know that his song
"Bad" was about Prince, but The Artist never retaliated. Or Mike could
have a secret "thing" for O(+>, he did name his first born Prince! Why?
Dre
M. Thomas
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all he is considered the King of Pop.
SH / RT
NAMEING HIS CHILD "PRINCE"....??????? ALL GENIUS'S SEEM 2 B A LITTLE odd,
i wish U heaven,hang on,he's coming, "WAR"
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Reckhavoc
Prince was always thought of as #2 during the 80's and he resented that,
because he knew he was the "baddest." I swear, I don't think Michael named his
baby Prince after his granddaddy, I truly believe he's hoping his son will be
better than the musician Prince is. I already heard him say in an interview
that he wants his son to play the guitar Then, later, when Prince is about 55,
Michael will be saying, "See, my son is the REAL Prince."
Larry Ellis
later in life he'll change it to this symbol: (*?!*)
Long Live The Artist!!!!
Dre
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Reckhavoc
>wasn't mj kid named after michael's grandfather?
That's what Michael said but I understand that Michael wasn't even close to his
grandad, I don't even think he went to his funeral when he died. He just used
that as an excuse because he didn't want to tell the "real" reason why he named
him that. Didn't he just have a daughter recently also? I'm not sure. If so,
I see he didn't name her "Katherine" about his mom, with whom he is supposedly
very close. And since the baby's mom is really just having the kids for him
(that's her only role in their relationship, artificial insemination, can u see
Michael trying to fuck? Oooow, Ooooow, Eeeeeeaaaaa) I'm sure she has no role in
naming the baby.
Jamie Starr
Saying Prince and Michael Jackson are rivals just doesn't make sense...
that's like saying the Chicago Bulls and the Dallas Cowboys are rivals
when they're not even in the same sport.
JamieStarr
NSunrider5
>have a secret "thing" for O(+>, he did name his first born Prince! Why?
Well he said that he didn't name his kid after prince -- that he has 3 people
in his family named prince (including his father) and he named him after them.
Coincidence maybe? Makes you wonder.
NSunrider5
>At any rate, I think the "rivalry" is more media related than anything.
This is true but this time they actually had something to go on.
>Sort of like the "rivalries" between Monica and Brandy and a whole slew
>of other celebrities.
Monica had a bad habit of dissing Brandy during radio interviews. I actually
heard her say, when she was on a local station in SF, that she would never work
with Brandy because she was such a "better" singer than Brandy was. I guess
she got over that.
> I think with MJ and P the media drew similarities
>between them because they're the same age and they were both considered
>prodigies to a certain degree.
Again true. But the media portrayed Michael as the musical genius and Prince
as a genius but a freak. He was the wierd one and Michael was the one to
reckon with. They (the media) tried their best to get Michael and Prince
together -- just to do a dance off even.
> They're both put on great shows
They do. BUT, in the beginning, Prince's shows were about his music ONLY. He
didn't interact and play with the audience as he does now.
Interesting how the roles have reversed. Michael's (and the J5) were totally
for the people. And they were great shows. Now the artist gets totally into
the audience and enjoys the hell out of having them there -- hence the gen.
admission tix -- he likes having his friends close -- and Michael's shows tend
to be more introverted -- he doesn't have that same interaction that he used to
have. And he won't do many shows in the states anymore. He won't come out to
No. Cal. at all.
My .02.
EastWestDJ
>Saying Prince and Michael Jackson are rivals just doesn't make sense...
>that's like saying the Chicago Bulls and the Dallas Cowboys are rivals
>when they're not even in the same sport.
No doubt today O(+> is in a much different league than Michael Jackson. The
all-round performer that O(+> is puts him miles ahead of Michael. But, I feel
they were in competition in the early to mid 80s. I'd also throw Rick James in
that competition. All those guys were fighting for the same market, trying to
outdo each other with their tours, and also attempting to broaden their
fanbase. I was a fan of all three. Now, O(+> is still kicking the flava.
Michael is an artist in exile. And slick Rick has attempted a comeback but
still holds to the tired credo, "Pimpin' ain't easy baby." Also, I was always
intrigued that Prince and Michael Jackson seldom appeared together on the music
award shows in the 80s.
Joe Kelley
ThMusikman
theyre actually friends and respect each other musically and for the success
they have.... and when MJ was in Minneapolis when he was recording with Jam
and Lewis. for the History sessions ..that he actually met with o(+> and he
listened to some of the songs MJ recorded..
One thing I believe they disagree with is.. the fact that o(+> doesnt like the
fact that MJ buys the rights to musician's catalogs such as Sly and the
Family Stone, The Beatles, Little Richard and etc.
all that rivalry crap is just to sell magazines and give a reason for Prince
and MJ fanatics to talk bs if you ask me... I dont know about other's on the
group but I respect them both
-E
toratora
did it raise your eyebrows like it did mine when p said in "style":
"style don't get married and break the vow in a year"?
dance on....toratora
Charlie Botero
with someone who has the biggest selling album of all time(Thriller)?
You can't. They're both different types of animals. Also, Michael's kid
is named after Michael himself. He's a junior. "Prince" is just his
nickname and is appropriate for the son of the "King Of Pop".
Charlie
Maria Ellicott
Maria Ellicott
as a performer, and singer, very much so. He even said once he went to
go see the J5 when they came in St. Paul in '74.
And throughout the years he's seen him perform numerous times, and vice
versa.
In fact, has anyone ever seen the footage of the James Brown concert
where MJ and Prince both performed on the same stage. Not at the same
time, MJ came first, but then he whispered to James to let Prince up on
stage. He wouldn't have done that if he didn't like him.
I personally believed at the time that a little rivalry would be healthy
for both of them, especially MJ, because though even I loved him to
death like everybody else, his fame was getting so stratospheric, you
needed some air sometime. Prince was the perfect thing to happen.
But he does not like at all the fact that MJ has bought up artists
catalogs so that he makes money off it and not them. Hell, I don't like
it either, why the hell didn't he buy his own catalog and leave other
people's alone. I know, it's a free capitalist country. On the other
hand, MJ is a more shrewd businessman than the Artist.
M. Thomas
M. Thomas
CraniumDrm
>somebody listed to what the least famous Jackson's SON said...how
>desperate were they for an interview???
err... well... Tito's sons are in a group called 3T that had some moderate
success in the States back in '96... soooooooo
--me--
Patrick Andrew Norris
:>I don't get it....
:>
:>Saying Prince and Michael Jackson are rivals just doesn't make sense...
:>that's like saying the Chicago Bulls and the Dallas Cowboys are rivals
:>when they're not even in the same sport.
:>
:>
:>JamieStarr
They WERE rivals. There isn't much rivalry now, because they are
both going down (as far as "pop" is concerned). Maybe O(+> will
shine a bit during 99/00, and maybe Michael will come out with
something that charms the heart of the world for a moment, but
they will never have the superstar status they had in the 80s.
--gets off-topic here--
I just hate to see someone like Rachid get slept on. He's not
a composer, arranger, producer type but he is a nice lyricist
with an edge plus just some really great music. "You Will Be
The One to Destroy Me" will probably be one of my favorite songs
ever not to mention "Pride." There's a lot on Prototype that I
haven't been able to synthesize quite yet, but I'm loving it
and deeply relating to it.
Many of his critics may say he's too heavily influenced by
quasi-contemporaries like Michael Jackson, Prince, Terence
Trent D'Arby, or even Maxwell, but that doesn't take anything
away from my perspective.
I don't advise people on buying music, because I realize they
won't necessarily like what I like for the reason that I do.
Yet I still think the album's great just the same.
--another tidbit--
Not to show my ignorance, but for others into Rachid, how is
his name pronounced? I sometimes wonder if its either RA-kid
or rau-SHEED. No jokes about it being unpronouneable or RAFKAP...
:) I think I'll end here.
cheers 2 u,
TSG
"Not knowing life, how can we know death?
Why talk of spirits when you do not understand men?"
--Confucius, 6th century BCE
M. Thomas
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> <<<Tito's son said.. >>>
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> I just think this is funny....not the rest of it, just the fact that
> somebody listed to what the least famous Jackson's SON said...how
> desperate were they for an interview???
>
Tito is so unfamous that he's actually pretty famous. The joke of the family,
to the point where it's a cliche.
However, I wanted to point out that his sons (3T) are a fairly successful r&b
act.
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MornMnProd
remember hearing that before that special aired about HIS-Story...the network
that broadcasted it had to agree to call him that...Hey...theres another
question of the group...Who is the real King of Pop??!! Hell...What defines Pop
now??!!
Slone
the whole "Oh, great, now you think you're my soulmate bit?" I'm sure he
was probably talking to all the women who came before her, but when I
was listening to it, I had to make sure that I was still on Disc 2
'cause I thought there's no way he'd have this on his Mayte Disc. I
thought that he should have switched the position of Joint 2 Joint and
La, la, la means I love you, but as always I'm sure there's method to
his madness.
Cleopatra
You know... That's part of the game that unfortunately lays between
man-woman relationship.... The "macho style"... Men have to fake (?) some
despise sometimes, just to make the girl love them more.
I found it sad and quite stupid. But unfortunately, it works... The
kinder I get with a girl, the weaker her love become. and if I take my
distance, she'll do anything to make me love her...
That's one of the thing that makes me mad sometimes.
But, anyway, about Joint 2 Joint, I always felt that if it was dedicated
to Mayte, it was some kind of "macho-syled" joke. Don't you think ?
SLONE.
CraniumDrm
>his name pronounced? I sometimes wonder if its either RA-kid
>or rau-SHEED. No jokes about it being unpronouneable or RAFKAP...
>:) I think I'll end here.
rah-sheed
his real name is Rasheed Ahmad Bell
--me--
John E. Bredehoft
Nah...the only 1 that could save Michael's music career is Pat Boone.
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Larry Ellis <Dre-1...@webtv.net> wrote:
>I know about the 2 times Prince has turned down Michael Jackson's
>request to work with him, but it has to be something more than that.
significant control.
Although frankly, I don't picture Jackson collaborating these days
either. Has he worked with anyone as an equal since the days of Paul
McCartney and Mick Jagger?
>It could be simple jealousy on Michael's behalf. I know that his song
>"Bad" was about Prince, but The Artist never retaliated. Or Mike could
>have a secret "thing" for O(+>, he did name his first born Prince! Why?
>
>Dre
John E. Bredehoft
EastWestDJ <eastw...@aol.com> wrote:
>ZLQ...@prodigy.com (Jamie Starr) writes:
>
>>Saying Prince and Michael Jackson are rivals just doesn't make sense...
>>that's like saying the Chicago Bulls and the Dallas Cowboys are rivals
>>when they're not even in the same sport.
>
>all-round performer that O(+> is puts him miles ahead of Michael. But, I feel
>they were in competition in the early to mid 80s. I'd also throw Rick James in
>that competition. All those guys were fighting for the same market, trying to
>outdo each other with their tours, and also attempting to broaden their
>fanbase. I was a fan of all three.
At the time, I perceived the competing three as Prince, Michael Jackson,
and Bruce Springsteen. All had previous significant success in some part of
the market. All had HUGE success in 1984 or so. Rick James didn't really
enter the megastar contest.
>Now, O(+> is still kicking the flava.
>Michael is an artist in exile. And slick Rick has attempted a comeback but
>still holds to the tired credo, "Pimpin' ain't easy baby." Also, I was always
>intrigued that Prince and Michael Jackson seldom appeared together on the music
>award shows in the 80s.
LisaC.
>
> In article <14769-35B...@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> Larry Ellis <Dre-1...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >I know about the 2 times Prince has turned down Michael Jackson's
> >request to work with him, but it has to be something more than that.
>
> I don't see Prince as a collaborator. That would require giving up
> significant control.
>
> Although frankly, I don't picture Jackson collaborating these days
> either. Has he worked with anyone as an equal since the days of Paul
> McCartney and Mick Jagger?
Yes. Kennth "Babyface" Edmonds. There is a song that's being played on
the
radio here called "Heart on the Line" or something like that. It sounds
just like Babyface from start to finish. It's an import single.
Lisa
ThMusikman
"style don't get married and break the vow in a year"?
dance on....toratora<<<
Not me.. do you know how many people are married for a year and then
divorce??? hell., some people get divorces in a matter of months.. Robin
Givens was only married for 24 hours to some dude. LOL
-Musik
YOU
because there's a song called Superfly Sister that sounds like they
collaborated. There is even one part of the song that you can actually
hear someone who sounds just like Prince about 3/4 of the way through.
If this song isn't by prince (and the liner notes do not emntion him)
then Micheal was ripping off his sound.
JOY!
believe that they did not approve of him using zombies or something. I seriously
don't think he follows that religion anymore. Just think about the whole surgery
things (no blood transfusions allowed) and his baby out of wedlock, and then
marring the mom.
jOY - her two cents since she is up and doesn't know why
ThMusikman wrote:
> >>>>didn't I read years ago that Michael was a Jehovah's Witness? <<<
>
> Yes, thats true.. his whole family are Jehovah's Witness. when Michael was a
> little kid he claimed. he used to go door to door in a disguise.. (true
> story)
>
> -musik
L21480
>believe that they did not approve of him using zombies or something. I
>seriously
>don't think he follows that religion anymore. Just think about the whole
>surgery
>things (no blood transfusions allowed) and his baby out of wedlock, and then
>marring the mom.
>jOY - her two cents since she is up and doesn't know why
Right. Michael does not practice the religion (neither does Janet. She hasn't
practiced since she's been on her own). The Thriller video was the main cause.
That's also why he has that little warning at the beginning of the Thriller
video.
LDC
John E. Bredehoft
added the disclaimer), but Michael left several years after that video's
release.
(2) I think Michael also went door-to-door as an adult, using various
disguises.
In article <35B84D84...@flash.net>, JOY! <joy...@flash.net> wrote:
>but wasn't he excommunicated (kicked out) for doing the video Thriller? I
>believe that they did not approve of him using zombies or something. I seriously
>don't think he follows that religion anymore. Just think about the whole surgery
>things (no blood transfusions allowed) and his baby out of wedlock, and then
>marring the mom.
>jOY - her two cents since she is up and doesn't know why
>
>
>ThMusikman wrote:
>
>> >>>>didn't I read years ago that Michael was a Jehovah's Witness? <<<
>>
>> Yes, thats true.. his whole family are Jehovah's Witness. when Michael was a
>> little kid he claimed. he used to go door to door in a disguise.. (true
>> story)
>>
>> -musik
>
>
>
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