Mmm, no Wendy and Lisa wrote Purple Rain? NOT! ...Will Stevie's Wonders never
cease!?
i don't know who to believe but i'm siding with wendy and lisa..
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this is absolutely ridiculous. The guy has released over 500 song with
writing credits of about 4 or 5 of them ever being questioned
1. his talented sister said she wrote "ugot the look"
2. Morris day supposedly wrote "party up"
3. Andre Cymone said he wrote "do me baby"
4. Wendy and Lisa say the wrote "purple rain", btw so does his father
according to an old "current affair" show.
5. ??
I couldn't even name 5, and thats 0.01% of his released out put. Is that
enough to start questioning him about all this. If Wendy and Lisa did
write PR then they are dumber than posts for not saying something earlier.
How about 1987 ?
Without him Andre Cymone, morris day, wendy and lisa and tonnes of others
would be working telemarketing jobs along with Tony M., whoops the Deacon
or is it The Telemarketer. Thye' all be telemarketers or gas station
attendants who played for free at local bars if they wre lucky.
Ronny
I side with Prince on this one.....like many people have pointed out in other
threads, W&L are just bitter......trust me, if they WROTE PR, then they would
have made it known sooner
5. a lot of the Time material written by Andre and Lisa
6. Tony M. and Levi looking for royalties
>I couldn't even name 5, and thats 0.01% of his released out put. Is that
>enough to start questioning him about all this. If Wendy and Lisa did
>write PR then they are dumber than posts for not saying something earlier.
>How about 1987 ?
>
Maybe that confidentiality agreement everyone has to sign just ran out.
Maybe no one ever asked them about specific contributions before
>Without him Andre Cymone, morris day, wendy and lisa and tonnes of others
>would be working telemarketing jobs along with Tony M., whoops the Deacon
>or is it The Telemarketer.
and without them, he (Prince) would still be nobody, nothing real special...
a wiz kid capable of "for you" "prince" "dirty mind" "controversy" "newpower
soul" and "emancipation" perhaps, but not having any real influence or
longevity, and he certainly wouldn't be a "legend" ... little more than he
was before those people started influencing him, a cult artist selling
100,000 here and there.
Hey Ronny! Isn't interesting that THESE ppl picked Prince's MOST popular
songs to claim credit to...hmmmmmm..........
Rudedog
nib...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> from love4oneanother:
>
> Mmm, no Wendy and Lisa wrote Purple Rain? NOT! ...Will Stevie's Wonders never
> cease!?
>
> i don't know who to believe but i'm siding with wendy and lisa..
>
Sonuvfunk wrote:
> >i don't know who to believe but i'm siding with wendy and lisa..
>
As for bringing up Prince, Wendy & Lisa were asked SPECIFICALLY about "Purple
Rain" and Prince. I can totally understand if there is still anger. For reasons
we don't know, Wendy & Lisa have kept from making derogatory comments about
Prince. Maybe it was a contract, maybe they didn't want to burn bridges. And
now maybe more people have been vocal about experiences with Prince. I'm sure
people have talked to Wendy & Lisa about similar bad dealings with Prince.
"Piano Man"
Paul
FUZ
hmmm... actually most of the songs he's written for others have been
collaborations with the artists that got the song or with people in his
camp. like "i hear your voice" and "love thy will be done" (just two
examples). lisa, the time, and even some V6 members ( if you can believe
it!) contributed musically to the Vanity 6 album.
>Why don't they complain about the weak songs they have released on their own?
>Whare are their "great" songs? ................................I'm still looking
>for just 1 of them.................
Hey now.. Are You MY Baby is a pretty cool song... :) 'Specially
that Bonus Beats at the end of the 12"... :)
BOTH of those songs were written SOLELY by Prince... as were about
98% of the songs he dished out to others... The ONY ones he didn't
write fully were the rap songs he did with folks...
>
i follow you on that. It's More than probably that Wendy and Lisa wrote
it... and you know what, I 'm happy about it !!!
Mike, Sonovfunk...,
I think both of you have got the right idea. If W&L are responsible
for (as some would have people think) most all the great lyrics and
music from that era then why the hell did they release "Fruit At The
Bottom" which has some very lame lyrics. "Eroica"...it
stunk all the way around. What? Did they shoot their load with the
stuff they released with Prince? "GirlBros." is ok but, if you don't
know the story behind the album (drug addict brother Jonathan dies)
then the lyrics don't make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
Moreover, W&L are the daughters of two men who have been in the
entertainment business for years and could have told them
the basics of how not to get screwed-over prior to even joining
Prince's camp. Why would anybody wait for 12 years after being
canned to snipe about song credits. Non-disclosure clause or
not if they had a case, the day P gave them the boot they should
have been in court to get back/futher royalty conpensation set up.
Lisa
I also have held the opinion that the Purple Rain precursors from
the movie are very reminicient of "This is the Life," one of their
own favorite compositions.
--k
Mark Jones wrote:
> I believe both parties. Meaning, I honestly think that both W&L AND Prince
> consider themselves the author of that song. If you read W&L's comments, they
> said they came up with the song, brought it in, the whole band fleshed out ideas
> and then they completed it. Their original idea for it may have been altered in
> that session...or not, but we will probably never really know. And I am VERY sure
> that the lyrics are 100% Prince's. He still probably should have given them
> co-credit, and anyone else in the band who contributed a significant idea to the
> song. (But then again that begs the question: what is a significant idea or
> contribution and what is not...?)
>
> nib...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > from love4oneanother:
> >
> > Mmm, no Wendy and Lisa wrote Purple Rain? NOT! ...Will Stevie's Wonders never
> > cease!?
> >
> > i don't know who to believe but i'm siding with wendy and lisa..
> >
>Hey now.. Are You MY Baby is a pretty cool song... :) 'Specially
>that Bonus Beats at the end of the 12"... :)
That jam gets me grooving too.
Joe Kelley
"Let the Music Do the Talking."
Moreover, W&L are the daughters of two men who have been in the
entertainment business for years and could have told them
the basics of how not to get screwed-over prior to even joining
Prince's camp. Why would anybody wait for 12 years after being
canned to snipe about song credits. Non-disclosure clause or
not if they had a case, the day P gave them the boot they should
have been in court to get back/futher royalty conpensation set up.<--They are
statin their point of view after the question was brought up. Thats props to
them... Im sure they have a vault of material that is a good body of work.
But maybe Lisa they dont care about royalties and jus want their credit......
IM sayin...Its hillarious that people on amp are jumpin on W&L
because...They have said this in a interview. They were asked and they
responded..simple Point blank As tfor the lyrics they were talkin about
the music DO I believe Wendy and lisa over prince?? HEll yes.. THey jus
want to break even with this release so they can continue recording. They may
not have the success prince has had but ILL Tell u this.. More integrity than
prince could ever muster, And if ... their story doesnt convince u IM
sure the Ex-Npg members...will have a shit load to say about prince if they
are put under the spot. Its just startin tho...
Simple. When an artist is under contract, they have to get permission
to appear on another artist's album. Prince used pseudonyms rather
than asking WB. In the cases of material like The Time's, he used an
alias to avoid having the attention taken away from the band (which,
for the most part, was him anyway).
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Lorne
Last five movies seen, rated out of four:
Pleasantville (**)
Apt Pupil (**1/2)
Smoke Signals (***1/2)
One True Thing (***1/2)
Practical Magic (**)
* To reply, remove the second "o" (between the "d" and "g").
I think this is a big point here too. W&L weren't volunteering this info.
They
were asked a specific question concerning the author(s) of the song itself.
A lot of people are taking this way out of context. Some people are acting
like they've been told that Satan wrote the bible.
>want to break even with this release so they can continue recording. They
may
>not have the success prince has had but ILL Tell u this.. More integrity
than
Now that you bring this up, didn't they mention something along the lines
of simply selling enough to cover the recording of the next album?
isn't "I Hear Your Voice" co-written by Rosie Gaines?
Lisa N. wrote:
> Mike, Sonovfunk...,
> I think both of you have got the right idea. If W&L are responsible
> for (as some would have people think) most all the great lyrics and
> music from that era then why the hell did they release "Fruit At The
> Bottom" which has some very lame lyrics. "Eroica"...it
> stunk all the way around. What? Did they shoot their load with the
> stuff they released with Prince? "GirlBros." is ok but, if you don't
> know the story behind the album (drug addict brother Jonathan dies)
> then the lyrics don't make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
>
I don't recall thet they've made any claims to the lyrics. The only tracksthat I
understand they have lyrical claims to are "Mountains" and "17
Days." And if you read the BAM article carefully, you will see that they
are only referring to "Purple Rain's" underlying musical structure, which
they acknowledge was fleshed out by the whole band. Lemme swipe
here:
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http://208.1.62.2/Rocketbam.fm$RETRIEVE?value=6496&field=serial&html=detail
[INT:] The song he claims is yours in the film, "Purple Rain," isn't even
one where you get a writing credit. Instead, you got a writing
credit for "Computer Blue"...
Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa
and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody
and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked
on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just
contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew
what [credit] he would give you.
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There are neither lyrical claims there, nor claims that they brought it to
completion. Just an acknowledgement of the fact that they contributed
in great part to the song, in direct answer to an inquiry. Bitter, maybe,
but not a sweeping revelation.
> Moreover, W&L are the daughters of two men who have been in the
> entertainment business for years and could have told them
> the basics of how not to get screwed-over prior to even joining
> Prince's camp. Why would anybody wait for 12 years after being
> canned to snipe about song credits. Non-disclosure clause or
> not if they had a case, the day P gave them the boot they should
> have been in court to get back/futher royalty conpensation set up.
From every thing I have seen in the press, it just doesn't seem like that's
been their deal -- or that it is now. Notice, this isn't coming up in a court
room. (Or if it is, we're sure not aware of it.) It's coming up as an answer
to a question long held by the press.
Their ideals -- and I've alluded to this in other posts on the subject --
have always seemed internally consistant. They wanted to focus on the
music, and knew that the way to do that was to hold back from demanding
credit. Alan Leeds and Susan Rogers have said in a number of interviews
that those characteristics are part and parcel of why they had the influence
they did on Prince's work.
--k
but hundreds of Prince's hundreds were co-written by W&L, particularly in 85
and 86
First off, I'm not saying they DID write the lyrics to PR but let me ask
you this... Do you think the lyric to PR itself are that great????
Pulleaaze, their pretty damn simple... it's pretty cookie cutter
if you ask me. The music and the delivery are the only things that
save that song. ...and there's not really anything, lyric wise, worse
than PR on Fruit At The Bottom (except the title track, I'll give you that).
>> stunk all the way around. What? Did they shoot their load with the
>> stuff they released with Prince? "GirlBros." is ok but, if you don't
>> know the story behind the album (drug addict brother Jonathan dies)
>> then the lyrics don't make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
Also, please remember that simply because you don't like Eroica
or GB does mean that everyone will agree with you. I think GB
is a great album that stands very well on it's own. The facts about
JM simply deepen the mood
John
Kilio wrote in message <19981104115704...@ng13.aol.com>...
>HA HA HA
>Micahel you are so silly
>I like Fruit at the Bottom. Nothing mind blowing, just a cute CD
Is this the best you can do??? It doesn't even have anything to do
with the topic...
It's like saying "He gave you 100 apples. Sure one of them was poison,
but what about the other 99?"
Indeed, wasn't it stated in RS that Prince ASKED W&L to write songs for
his upcoming movie and he would tailor the movie around them???
(I believe this was referring to Dream Factory stuff)
Would you be this cavalier for Prince if you were in their shoes?
> and without them, he (Prince) would still be nobody, nothing real special...
> a wiz kid capable of "for you" "prince" "dirty mind" "controversy" "newpower
> soul" and "emancipation" perhaps, but not having any real influence or
> longevity, and he certainly wouldn't be a "legend" ... little more than he
> was before those people started influencing him, a cult artist selling
> 100,000 here and there.
Yeah, yeah....sign o the times, batman, lovesexy...straight outta the Andre
Cymone back catalogue.
no, out of the W&L back catalog (except for Batman)
Your response has zip to with what I wrote. What are you reading?
Where did I write about *their* lyrical claims?
>
> > Moreover, W&L are the daughters of two men who have been in the
> > entertainment business for years and could have told them
> > the basics of how not to get screwed-over prior to even joining
> > Prince's camp. Why would anybody wait for 12 years after being
> > canned to snipe about song credits. Non-disclosure clause or
> > not if they had a case, the day P gave them the boot they should
> > have been in court to get back/futher royalty conpensation set up.
>
> From every thing I have seen in the press, it just doesn't seem like that's
> been their deal -- or that it is now. Notice, this isn't coming up in a court
> room. (Or if it is, we're sure not aware of it.) It's coming up as an answer
> to a question long held by the press.
>
> Their ideals -- and I've alluded to this in other posts on the subject --
> have always seemed internally consistant. They wanted to focus on the
> music, and knew that the way to do that was to hold back from demanding
> credit. Alan Leeds and Susan Rogers have said in a number of interviews
> that those characteristics are part and parcel of why they had the influence
> they did on Prince's work.
>
If that's the case then it doesn't matter if they wrote Purple Rain and
got credit for writing Computer Blue then does it, as *they pointed out
in
the article you referenced. Especially, since the album cover says
"written,
arranged, performed & produced" by Prince & THE REVOLUTION.
Lisa
Again, what are you guys reading? Where did I specifically identify
the song/album Purple Rain? I said "music from that era" meaning 84-86.
And "Lolly Lolly" and "Are You My Baby" are a notch below "cookie
cutter".
>
> >> stunk all the way around. What? Did they shoot their load with the
> >> stuff they released with Prince? "GirlBros." is ok but, if you don't
> >> know the story behind the album (drug addict brother Jonathan dies)
> >> then the lyrics don't make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
>
> Also, please remember that simply because you don't like Eroica
> or GB does mean that everyone will agree with you. I think GB
> is a great album that stands very well on it's own. The facts about
> JM simply deepen the mood
>
Yet again, what the heck are you reading? I have never said I don't
like "Girl Bros." as a whole. "Eroica" on the other hand is crap, and
yes that's purely my opinion.
Lisa
Aaron wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote in message <3640E86F...@mailhost1.csusm.edu>...
> >Does it really matter? Score: Prince's 100's of songs................W&L a
> hand full
> >whether you include PR or not. -MG
> >
>
John T. Folden wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote in message <3640E86F...@mailhost1.csusm.edu>...
> >Does it really matter? Score: Prince's 100's of songs................W&L a
> hand full
> >whether you include PR or not. -MG
>
Actually, I think you are tired... you must be since you can't grasp
the point of the controversy...
...and yeah, I'm sure in your little world, your opinions do seem like
facts.
Yep all the classics..the crap was Prince
Willpower
Lisa N. wrote:Lisa, I apologise that I've been away so long. I wrote:
> > Their ideals -- and I've alluded to this in other posts on the subject --
> > have always seemed internally consistant. They wanted to focus on the
> > music, and knew that the way to do that was to hold back from demanding
> > credit. Alan Leeds and Susan Rogers have said in a number of interviews
> > that those characteristics are part and parcel of why they had the influence
> > they did on Prince's work.
>
To which you responded:
> If that's the case then it doesn't matter if they wrote Purple Rain and
> got credit for writing Computer Blue then does it, as *they pointed out
> in
> the article you referenced. Especially, since the album cover says
> "written,
> arranged, performed & produced" by Prince & THE REVOLUTION.
Again, I believe they were answering a question about the process. You'd
prefer them to lie? I mean, what is your real beef with what they said?
You and I seem to agree about the process of what happened, so why get
upset that they have the (gasp!) unmitigated gall to claim their part in
something they worked on? Should Prince also decline to talk about his
role in his own work since the credit's already on the cover?
--k
They were not answering a question about the "process" they were
making a point about what they wrote and what Prince gave them
credit for writing.
> You'd prefer them to lie? I mean, what is your real beef with what they said?>>>
No beef at all just responding to your post.
> You and I seem to agree about the process of what happened, so why get
> upset that they have the (gasp!) unmitigated gall to claim their part in
> something they worked on?>>>>
You seem to be the one upset. Everyone knows they worked on it. As I
said the album says "written, produced, arranged and performed"
by Prince & THE REVOLUTION. Their beef as far as I see it is the
song "Purple Rain" was a hit (i.e., royalties galore from folks who
want to do covers, etc) whereas "Computer Blue" was not. If "Computer
Blue" had been a hit we probably wouldn't be having
this discussion. I've always preferred "Computer Blue" to "Purple Rain"
anyway
so I'm happy as a clam that they didn't contribute much more that a
keyboard line or whatever.
> Should Prince also decline to talk about his
> role in his own work since the credit's already on the cover?>>>
See above you missed the point.
Lisa