Prince vs Jimi Hendrix
<Your Real Name>
My brother who has been a huge jimi hendrix fan for some years now made me
a
tape of some of his best songs and it just blew me away. I don't think it
is even close
comparing the two. Jimi's music has vision, a message and there is nothing
like it. I will always be a Prince fan, i have like 16 albums but i no
longer think that prince is
untouchable and no one compares to him because he is silly compared to
Jimi. I think that prince has the talent to do everything that Jimi does
but he has to give up the album a year because his songwriting doesn't cut
it. Also lose the R and B music. Jimi was black and you didn't see him
doing any type of Motown music to satisfy the black audience. I will never
ever be a fan of "black music", it requires ZERO talent, just a simple drum
beat and sing about love and/or sex. Prince sounds too much like MJ and
not enough Jimi.
Matt
Mstar86638
Why are they always compared? Because they're both black guitarists?
They have very seperate styles and sounds. They also have very different
life philosophies, obviously. JH played, lived & died in a drug-induced
haze, Prince/Artist have taken to natural highs. Fact is, if one or the
other was white there would be no comparison.
Eric Bin
njfr...@aol.com (Njfrantz) writes:
>1) Before Hendrix established his own style, he played blues and R&B on
>the chitlin' circuit with a number of artists, including Little Richard
>(obvious influence to O(+>). My guess -- and it is a guess -- is that if
>you asked Jimi, he would say he played black music, though he might just
>say he played music. Music has many colors, not just one.
Wasn't Jimi in a Purple Haze most of the time anyways? 8). I agree that,
if Jimi could answer, he would also say he played black music. His stuff
is, IMHO, very bluesy.
>2) The music made by Motown often had real beauty. Think of Smokey
>Robinson's work, or Marvin Gaye, or Stevie Wonder, or the Temptations work
>with Norman Whitfield. The songwriting, if calculated, was of very high
>quality, and the playing was first rate. Ask any musician about The Funk
>Brothers -- the Motown studio band -- especially bassist James Jamerson.
Anyone have the Motown M.Jackson anthology? Some of the finest music you
can listen to. Even if you don't like MJ that album is awesome and it
gives a good overview of the Motown era.
>3) Current black popular music may not be to your taste, but don't think
>it represents all of black music, or all of music in general.
IMHO, most 'black' music today stinks. I miss the stuff from the '80's
and 70's etc...
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Ali319
You are such an idiot.
If I were as stupid as you, I would not attach my email address to my
posts either.
Coward.
Ivo van Poorten
mstar...@aol.com (Mstar86638) writes:
Oh no... I feel the 'does prince do drugs' thread coming up again...
Ivo
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Njfrantz
You are so off base it is scary. R&B and blues (i.e., "black music") is
at the root of everything both O(+> and Hendrix do/did. They are the
underpinnings of all American popular music and jazz. They are the
greatest artistic contributions this country has given the world.
1) Before Hendrix established his own style, he played blues and R&B on
the chitlin' circuit with a number of artists, including Little Richard
(obvious influence to O(+>). My guess -- and it is a guess -- is that if
you asked Jimi, he would say he played black music, though he might just
say he played music. Music has many colors, not just one.
2) The music made by Motown often had real beauty. Think of Smokey
Robinson's work, or Marvin Gaye, or Stevie Wonder, or the Temptations work
with Norman Whitfield. The songwriting, if calculated, was of very high
quality, and the playing was first rate. Ask any musician about The Funk
Brothers -- the Motown studio band -- especially bassist James Jamerson.
3) Current black popular music may not be to your taste, but don't think
it represents all of black music, or all of music in general.
Niles Frantz
"Comin Home"
WBEZ 91.5 FM, Chicago
(But that's not all I do...)
renee' sweeney
Why does everyone always have to compare so-and-so with so-and-so else?
What's up with that?
You cannot compare O(+>/Prince with other people- he's in a class by
himself...there is no comparison.
Each of these artists that we hold in esteem have done important things
to influence music and how we know it today. They're both (all)
important and we should be thankful for their unique input and talents.
'Nuff said-
Renee' (in Dallas, wishing the Man was coming this way...it was supposed
to be tonight...makes me just wanta cry,cry,cry...)
Eric Bin
mstar...@aol.com (Mstar86638) writes:
>Why are they always compared? Because they're both black guitarists?
>They have very seperate styles and sounds. They also have very different
>life philosophies, obviously. JH played, lived & died in a drug-induced
>haze, Prince/Artist have taken to natural highs. Fact is, if one or the
>other was white there would be no comparison.
Even if one of them was white I would still compare them. Excluding
lifestyles, both have the same type of guitar background, that being the
bluesy tone. I find them very comparable and when I'm asked who I would
compare either of them to I always respond with the other's name.
PRuffin606
Maybe the original poster was trying to be funny.
Because anyone who knows anything about Jimi Hendrix knows that he played
the "Blackest" music around- The Blues. He was a blues man from top to
bottom, from the style of playing guitar with his teeth to the structure
of the music. His first hit "Hey Joe" was a blues standard.
During the 1950's when all those white musicians (Elvis,Pat Boone, etc.)
were stealing Little Richard's and Fats Domino's music-just to name a few-
they also stole the ORIGINAL term for that music which was ROCK-n-ROLL : a
slang term for sex.
As time rolled by the TERM Rock-n-Roll became associated with white
musicians who incorporated (stole) THE BLUES into their music.
So Blacks who incorporated Blues into a more modern style took the new
name "Rhythm and the Blues". This music too changed over the years largely
due to the MOTOWN sound, which African Americans have oftrn criticized for
"watering down " Black music.And is today the sound associated with
performers such as Babyface,Keith Sweat,112 etc.
Now the idea that the original poster doesn't like "R&B",and thinks he/she
can compare and contrast the styles of Hendrix and O(+> is very funny.
O(+> was very much influenced by (and he has even said this publically)
by Jimi Hendrix. Beside the physical similarities, O(+> obviously admired
Hendrixs'
"do-what-I-wanna do" attitude.
The music that O(+> plays is very much based on the blues (or as the
original poster would rather not call it, R&B)
The bottom line is this: The music we all now call Rock n Roll and
associate with white guitar players and bands is really Black music- it is
rooted in the blues.
One of" The Blackest" styles of music there is.
Oh and Michael Jackson and O(+> sound NOTHING alike.
Patricia
"Freedom is a beautiful thang"
JStarrJr
>>IMHO, most 'black' music today stinks. I miss the stuff from the '80's
and 70's etc...<<
YES!!! I'm not the only one... I hate today's R&B music with a
passion... IMO, there is no creativity in the music now. How many times
can everyone sample George Clinton, James Brown, Isley Brothers, etc...
Lately, there has been some signs of life in R&B music... Maxwell,
D'Angelo, and Erykah Badu for example (but also can't forget Sweetback...)
The rest is bland, talentless, and boring...
Until everyone else wakes up, I'll go back 2 my mom's old Philly
International records... Now THAT'S music.
**bill j**
ISIS8193
The message that began this thread was most interesting, and basically
showed a great lack of connection to reality. Let me expound:
1. Jimi Hendrix began his career the way that MOST Black artists back in
the day began their careers; playing gigs in small clubs and arenae,
because they were for a long time not allowed to play big venues with
mixed audiences. That he was able to do amazing things with the guitar,
and basically create the era of guitar rock was a tribute to his
tremendous talent and a reflection upon the gargantuan musical freedom and
innovation that was an essential part of the music that those brothers and
sisters made on the "chittlin' circuit". The author of the original post
seems to be in the need of some "unlearning" of U.S. music history, 'cause
they seem to have no clue about what was really going on.
2. The Artist is linked very much to this musical legacy. His father, John
L. Nelson, seems to have had a career where he played in "chitlin circuit"
type places in the midwest...and as an adolescent, the Artist, at some
time played places like that in MPLS. (Along with playing at the "Y" in
the hood in MPLS where Andre''s Mom worked; and playing at parks and
people's back yards, doing birthday parties and picnics, et. al.) He has
stated repeatedly that he never really did like doing a lot of cover
songs a whole lot back then, but found it nec. because that's what people
wanted to hear. All along though, he and the various bands that he was in
would write and perform ORIGINAL songs. From my understanding, he was the
primary writer and arranger.
3. And I am ready to get flamed for the next statement that I am about to
make: "Black" music...please if it wasn't for Black music, the U.S. would
have little music anyway. Ever heard that old blues cut, in which the
chorus is: "The blues had a baby, the blues got sold. The blues had a baby
and they named it rock and roll."? Do you even know where the term "rock
and roll" came from? Well wake up, it was a term used by blues and jazz
musicians to describe sexual intercourse. According to these people, when
it gets good, you "rock and roll" with your partner. Speaking from
personal experience, this would seem to be a true statement. Have you ever
been to the Country Music Hall of Fame? Well if you ever go, please note
the huge mural in the main foyer. The mural is dedicated to the evolution
of this musical genre, and it begins in the middle and then spreads out
from both sides. Guess what is portrayed in the middle; an old BLACK MAN,
playing a banjo. So even those "shitkickers" know what time it is.
4. Black music as simple? Please jerk, did you smoke all of the crack in
Compton? I will concede that what is categorized as R & B today is pretty
freaking bad...but most popular music today is BAD! And many of the people
making R & B today have a connection the wonderful legacy of "Black"
music, but they just don't want to, or they are not able to get the
commercial monkey off of their backs (e.g. Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds got
that nickname as a child hanging out in the recording studios in Cin.,
Ohio...and Bootsie Collins is the person who first called him "Babyface").
We live in a market culture, where art is often sacrificed for profit. I
hate what has happened to R & B, but I also know that there are thousands
of really gifted musicians and singers who cut records all the time, and
they never get their due "dap". This has been happening for decades.
Aretha Franklin languished for five years at Columbia, with little
promotion or professional guidance before she was given the interpretive
and performing freedom that she needed at Atlantic. Motown was a
revolutionary idea, in its time...and Smokey Robinson used to write songs
while he was backstage and then sing them to the Miracles, hum them to the
band and they would go out on stage and RIP IT UP! People like George
Clinton were a part of the Motown houseband, in addition to playing with
the likes of James Brown.
Your opinion is noted. I think that it is ill-formed because you just
don't know what you are talking about. Get your shit together,
OK...because I am not only a O)+> fan deluxe, I am a part of that legacy
of "Black" music. I am a chronicler of "Black" music, "Black" popular
culture, and its impact upon societies at large. I have watched the market
culture destroy really talented people. O)+> transcended that trend
because he was so talented, and so fierce. He's free now; free to make
slammin' music until he doesn't want to anymore. He defies the standard
categorization scheme usually reserved for popular artists because of his
ability to make music from a variety of genres. He feasibly could have
been on at least 4 different music charts throughout his career: R & B,
Rock, Dance, Jazz (don't forget the Madhouse albums).
Get back to the ROOTS, OK...
Flame away, Isis is being too hostile, too serious, yet again. All I can
say is, if you don't like it, you can always lay "face down".
Peace and Stay Wild:
Isis
JuvenileHi
Isis wrote:
> People like George Clinton were a part of the Motown houseband, in
addition to >playing with the likes of James Brown.
I reply...
I agree 1,000,000,000 % with everything you say (and I didn't know that
about this decades one man Motown, Babyface, getting his nickname from
Bootsy...cool!!) But being a George Clinton Scholar, I just need to
correct you and say George was a Motown Staff writer (Jackson 5 and The
Supremes both recorded "I'll Bet You" a few years before Funkadelic put it
through the acid wringer), and never played with James Brown. Of course,
Bootsy, Maceo, Fred, Catfish, etc. did...George and James both started out
doing Doo Wop, The Parliaments first record was "Poor Willie/Party Boys"
on Apt. records, and was cut on a split session with the group that
recorded "I Only Have Eyes for You" at the session that group recorded it!
In 1959! James got his start covering for Little Richard when Mr.
Penniman was booked two places on the same night! Jimi Hendrix was
Richard's guitar player for a few years on the chitlin circuit, then he
was with the Isley Brothers and taught Ernie a few things. Now Ernie is
hooked up with R. Kelly...Everything IS connected! The Isley's first hits
were in 1959 ("Shout"/"Twist and Shout") which were covered by the
Beatles. All white music (Elvis, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, etc.) is
white guys trying to play black music and turning it into something a bit
clunkier! The only music white folks can "claim" (although it's a silly
game to play" is Classical. No, country came from blacks, too. Ever
heard of DeFord Bailey, the first star of the Grand Ole Opry? He was
black! Hank Williams learned to play from a black street singer named
"Tee-Tot". Jimmy Rogers (the father of country music) sang nothing but
blues! O(+> fits into all of this! The greatest musicians absorb ALL
music and spit it back out in their own unique way. Some even come up
with something entirely different. (James Brown started in Doo Wop, but
then he created a big bang of his own) . Prince started the "Minneapolis"
sound. He taught a drum machine how to be funky. His music is all over
the radio today. D'Angelo, Tony Rich, Maxwell, R. Kelly, TLC, Babyface,
are all O(+>'s godchildren. And the master is still out there creating
music much more interesting than these imitators! He was ahead of his
time back in the day, and he's ahead of it now! I just hope I live to be
200, because it'll take that long for everyone else to catch up with what
he did 10 years ago! Enough babbling.
Lee
<Your Real Name>
renee' sweeney <renee_...@nt.com> wrote in article
<32E8E4...@nt.com>...
Why can't they be compared? Music is Music and if you compare "Hey Joe" by
Jimi and "Raspberry Beret" by Prince it is no contest. Prince is "pop"
music with no real message. It is mostly aimed to sell albums and not to
be trailblazer. He thinks that quantity is quality and that is not the
case. How is it nuff said, I constantly hear how if people compare Prince
and MJ people are almost insulted. I have heard people compare Prince and
Bowie and the list goes on and on. Compare their talents and style and
Originality and Jimi rules over Prince.
Matt
SEAN
I think you're in the wrong newsgroup. Try alt.kkk Adolph.
Barendregt en Ates
Well, your pont is well taken. I too think Prince could do without the
R&B thing, but to state that black music requires ZERO talent is a bit
too much.
To compare the great Jimi Hendrix with the the artist formally
known as great is comparing apples to eggs. They both were unique and
created beautiful sounscapes the world had never heard before.
In short, I agree to a certain point about Prince, but don't put down
black music in general.
By the way, prepare yourself for some flames, because there are many
morons in this newsgroup who can't stand that there are some people out
there who say Prince isn't that brilliant as he used to be, or never
has been for that matter. Oh no, God gets a bad review !! Let's flame
the heretic !! Let's bring in the Spanish Inquisition !!
Peace.
Love to all the flamers on this newsgroup. Thanks for all the enjoying
hours you've given me by reading your, well let's say, special insights
to Prince, music and life itself. Keep up the good work.
Andre Crabtree III
> He's free now; free to make
> slammin' music until he doesn't want to anymore.
regarding Mayte's influence, but what nobody realizzes is that she is
his life, u r NOT!
Isis, thanx man. The only complaint I have is that most R&B, Hip/Hop
artists get that fame from "borrowing" real, creative work. Once they
are famous, the trend shows, they get cocky and fall on their rich
asses. Or, they continue "borrowing" and refuse 2 recognize the
musicians: JB, O(+>, George Clinton, Jimi, Sly...Sometimes it's paying
homage, but most of the time it's lack of creativity.
Bob
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Pantyholes
I disagree. The Artist's style is more comparable to Santana than
Hendrix. There are so many vast differences between the two, it is
obvious the original post author just wanted to engage in a conversation
comparing the two. The Artist encompasses so many styles, why compare?
Prince's music is much broader in scope than Jimi's. I have several of
Jimi's CD's also, but both artists were/are monsters at what they do, I
know Jimi was a much better guitarist, but that's it.
LtazzN
Here, here. LOUD applause.
When I read the original post in this thread I was dreading the
comparisons between Jimi and the Artist, but I thought it could have been
an interesting debate until the guy said "today's black music sucks" or
something of that nature. As I sat there I was thinking ' Hell, most of
the current music out now sucks regardless of genre (R&B, rock,
alternative or pop).' Thanks for posting everything that ran through my
mind and then some. The comment on Babyface was on point also. He writes
nice songs but after a while they all tend to sound the same (lyrically
and muiscally) especially when he is producing a lot of the people that
are topping the charts these days (Toni B, Boyz II Men, Whitney, etc).
peace
tazz
PS- You're not too serious or hostlie, just saying what needed to be said.
Edoc D
There's a difference between modern R&B and the 60's and 70's artists
mentioned.
First the early artists HAD to be able to sing and/or play--there was no
such thing as samplers and voice harmonizers. They were ALL talented, but
this modern stuff (for the most part) SUCKS!! R&B has gone downhill
gradually--all I hear is samples form old songs with new lyrics on top. Or
just a lot of whining and begging. Where are the bands? There are VERY
few R&B bands--most of these people can't play or don't want to.---it's
easier to steal an old song than to learn an instrument. Modern R&B is
all image driven--if you have the right look, you don't need talent--if
you CAN play--you're "selling out" (they say that only "rock" people are
supposed to have guitars)--Look at O+> for example--some of his stuff
doesn't even make the R&B charts. Jimi was the same way--he could only
work as a "sideman" playing in R&B (YES he DID play R&B at first--he even
lived in Harlem for a while)--people were jealous or just thought he was
too wild--he had to go to England to get his solo career going--he wasn't
accepted here in the US until later--and he STILL couldn't get respect
from R&B radio (some of his songs WERE more blues and R&B based).
Edoc D
Another thought--I DO see Jimi's influence in O+>'s playing, but I also
see influences of Santana, George Clinton, James Brown, and even the
Beatles in his stuff (to name a few)
This doesn't have to be an "either or" type of thing--and it shouldn't
be--I like Jimi AND O+>!! I thought Jimi was great and I think O+> is
great, too--very inspiring considering the state of most so-called R&B
today.
why even ask this--do rock fans have to choose between Kiss and
Aerosmith?? I don't think so
Jeff Smithpeters
Jimi and "Raspberry Beret" by Prince it is no contest. Prince is "pop"
>music with no real message. It is mostly aimed to sell albums and not to
>be trailblazer. He thinks that quantity is quality and that is not the
>case.
Obviously, you haven't followed Prince's and 0{+>'s sales figures since
Purple Rain, which have had ebbs and flows. Once you look at these
figures, you'll realize the man doesn't write with an eye toward the
market.
You say pop music like it's a pejorative term, like nothing that is
popular is ever good and vice versa. Ever heard of Shakespeare? Or
Dickens? Or Beethoven in his early days? Sometimes what is popular is
popular because it's also very good.
You can say you like one better than the other, but don't pass false
information to back up your claim.
JuvenileHi
Matt Matt Matt, you wrote
>Music is Music and if you compare "Hey Joe" byJimi and "Raspberry Beret"
by >Prince it is no contest.
I am a fan of Jimi's, but Hey Joe is a poor example. It is a cover song.
It was a hit for some group that appeared on that "Nuggets" compilation.
Jimi chose it specifically for that reason. To have a "hit" it was his
first single, and quite a hit (in England, at least, where he was based at
the time. Jimi played Top of the Pops...)
When Prince released Around the World in a Day, he didn't release any
singles, and didn't make a video. It came out in late April '85, a few
weeks after the Purple Rain tour ended in Miami, and he just wanted it to
be released, he didn't want to promote it. Here's a quote from Rolling
Stone's interview that Summer:"You know how easy it would have been to
open ATWIAD with the guitar solo that's at the end of "Let's Go Crazy"?
You know how easy it would have been to just put it in a different
key?...I don't want to make an album like the earlier ones..." Raspberry
Beret was released May 15th, a good three weeks after the album came out.
The week before he announced he was "retiring" whatever that meant. Radio
stations picked up on Rasberry Beret and sort of picked the single for
him. Then the record co. made him release it as a single, and shoot a
video. He originally offered Raspberry beret to the USA for Africa album.
Not exactly a move based on commercial concerns. Then in June, he
started recording his next album, Parade...So that's a terrible example.
I agree that he is sometimes concerned with a commercial sounding record,
(U Got the Look), but usually he just does what comes out, and finds a
single and album out of that.
>Prince is "pop"music with no real message. It is mostly aimed to sell
albums >and not to be trailblazer. He thinks that quantity is quality and
that is not the >case.
Uh, well, everyone's entitled to some throwawy fun songs. But what the
hell was "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Fire"..etc....Very catchy innovative
POP songs, with no message. "Let Me Stand Next To Your Fire???" You have
to dig into the album tracks to get much substance, and even then his
lyrics are very drug induced, semi utopian ramblings. I really don't
think Prince's music is designed to sell records. I think he stumbles
onto a pop hit every once in a while. (Well, OK about 22 times)...and
alot of his Poppiest, most commercial music remains in the vault. He
always takes chances. Dirty Mind was banned from most radio stations.
His first single from O(+> was Sexy Motherfucker. Not exactly a
commercial move. He wanted to release Pussy Control off of Gold as a
single. He makes new music because he can. he is a workaholic. He's
always looking for that next sound, a new breakthrough. Compare him to
Miles Davis, not MJ!
> How is it nuff said, I constantly hear how if people compare Prince and
MJ >people are almost insulted.
MJ sings. MJ dances. He writes a little bit of his songs. Prince/O(+>
writes, sings, plays most of the instruments on his records, dances, and
plays hellacious guitar, hellacious bass, awesome piano, and tasty synth.
Prince/O(+> has written songs about War (Live 4 Love, Partyup), God (God,
Thunder, U Will Be Moved, God is Alive), Drug Abuse, (Sign 'O' the Times,
The Love U Make) hardly commercial topics. Have your opinion, but know
what you're talking about. You obviously don't.
Lee
JuvenileHi
You write:
> but this modern stuff (for the most part) SUCKS!! R&B has gone downhill
>gradually--all I hear is samples form old songs with new lyrics on top.
Or
>just a lot of whining and begging. Where are the bands? There are VERY
>few R&B bands--most of these people can't play or don't want to.---it's
>easier to steal an old song than to learn an instrument. Modern R&B is
>all image driven--if you have the right look, you don't need talent--if
>you CAN play--you're "selling out"
God knows I never thought I'd be defending Blackstreet, R, Kelly, et. al.,
but I work in a CD store (have for the past 12 years on and off) and I
have a front row seat to what's going on. Popular music, especially R &
B, has always thrived on something new. What is happening is a language
we don't understand. I don't anyway, but I don't degrade it. pop music
is supposed to be trite and catchy. That's what modern R & B is. Rock
was slammed as crap in the 50's, The Beatles were dismissed by serious
musicians in the 60's, The Sex Pistols/Clash/Buzzcocks ridiculed in the
70's, Rap (of the Run-DMC/early LL Cool J variety) laughed at in the 80's.
But guess what? Now it's deemed important music. And all it ever was
was folks tryin' to make a hit record. Simple as that. Whoomp! There It
Is is no stupider than Be Bop A Lula, She Loves You, Rapper's Delight, I'm
Too Sexy...etc. It's what sells. It's what the kids are buying. Doesn't
make it good, but perhaps in 10 years No Diggety will be fondly remembered
as a classic. Maybe I'll like it in 10 years.
As far as the "sampling" thing, musicians have always stolen from the
generation before. Elvis stole from Jackie Wilson, Arthur Crudup, Bill
Monroe, and the Statesmen Quartet. The Beatles stole from Motown, Buddy
Holly, The Everly Brothers, and even Buck Owens! (Act Naturally)...The
Punk guys stole from Iggy pop and the Stooges, Velvet Underground, and the
New York Dolls...now there's the technology to steal it right off the
record. So what? make something new out of something old. That's the
way it's always been.
Lee
JuvenileHi
Mr. Smartypants writes:
> there are many morons in this newsgroup who can't stand that there are
some >people out there who say Prince isn't that brilliant as he used to
be, or never
>has been for that matter. Oh no, God gets a bad review !! Let's flame
>the heretic !! Let's bring in the Spanish Inquisition !!
I ain't no mo-ron! I have said here before that I had given up on O(+>,
thought he was squandering his talent, generally thought he had become a
pretentious dork. But then I heard Days of Wild, endorphinmachine,
Dolphin, Now, and yes TMBGITW, and I just about crapped in my pants. If
you don't hear it or feel it, fine. Prince/O(+> is not all i listen to
either. James Brown, Al Green, Sam Cooke's Night Beat, Los Lobos'
Colossal Head, The Finn Brothers, Hank Williams Sr., George Clinton,
Depeche Mode (I know...sorry...but I dated someone who got me into them
and it's a sentimental situation...), Lefty Frizzell, Steve Earle, Merle
haggard, Gillian Welch, The Mermen, Praxis, Buckethead, etc etc. I just
think O(+> is better, infinitely more interesting, than anything else
going on right now. I don't mind someone stating an opinion, but use
better examples (I'd slam U Got the Look any day of the week)...and I
stand in Awe of "Wind cried Mary"...so there. Like I said, I ain't no
mo-ron!
lee
Edoc D
There's a difference between being influenced by something that came
before and actually PLAYING the music--you have to LEARN a song to play a
cover of it or to be inspired by it and make up a different song.
Musicians have always been influenced by musicians who came before them,
but the way sampling is now--it's just an old song SAMPLED (NOT PLAYED)
note for note--at least if you're going to sample something make it sound
different from the original (like Public Enemy's od tunes or even how
Tricky's stuff is now)--it take NO talent to steal a song by sampling it
as-is--at least those old rock and R&B guys had to learn to play the
stuff.
Anothrlovr
Who's Bob Dillan? And how did Jimi Hendrix's lyrics become more
interesting than O)+>'s. Jimi is a great guitarist but the lyrics stunk
IMO except for maybe Hey Joe that was pretty good. Peace MarQ
jmo...@ix.netcom.com
"<Your Real Name>" <<youruserid>@worldchat.com> wrote:
>My brother who has been a huge jimi hendrix fan for some years now made me
>a
>tape of some of his best songs and it just blew me away. I don't think it
>is even close
>comparing the two. Jimi's music has vision, a message and there is nothing
>like it. I will always be a Prince fan, i have like 16 albums but i no
>longer think that prince is
>untouchable and no one compares to him because he is silly compared to
>Jimi. I think that prince has the talent to do everything that Jimi does
>but he has to give up the album a year because his songwriting doesn't cut
>it. Also lose the R and B music. Jimi was black and you didn't see him
>doing any type of Motown music to satisfy the black audience. I will never
>ever be a fan of "black music", it requires ZERO talent, just a simple drum
>beat and sing about love and/or sex. Prince sounds too much like MJ and
>not enough Jimi.
>Matt
I agree with much of what you're saying here. Jimi Hendrix's music
was much deeper and his lyrics were always more interesting than
anything prince could come up with. Jimi was and still is the
greatest intrumental genius of popular music, taking guitar playing to
new levels. All in all those kinds of artists don't exsist anymore
because of what has happened with MTV and the whole music industry in
general. There was a brief period when Prince really fused his music
into the popular culture of the time. He has been unable to do that
for a number of years. As far as most R&B music is concerned. Yeah I
agree, R&B music for all of its claims that it is "soul" tends to be
some of the most empty and trite stuff out there in the pop music
canon. Then again, they don't all have minds like Bob Dillan or Roger
Water's or Jim Morrison or John lennon. :)
Robert and Frances Egan
jmo...@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
--snip-- R&B music for all of its claims that it is "soul" tends to be
>some of the most empty and trite stuff out there in the pop music
>canon. Then again, they don't all have minds like Bob Dillan or Roger
>Water's or Jim Morrison or John lennon. :)
>
BTW, it's Bob Dylan. And maybe most R&B artists don't want to think
like those old white guys. ;)
Fran E.
<Your Real Name>
Basically Prince has no "killer" songs like Hendrix does. Prince prefers
to show off about all the different styles he can do, and that's fine i
guess if that is what he wants to do. But if you compare Prince's best to,
Hey Joe, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Angel, All Along the Watchtower, Cross
town traffic, all you people are just kidding yourself about Prince's
music. Half of his music is lazy R n B, his newer stuff has record
scratching in it, and throw away garbage (Chaos and Disorder, Half of
Emancipation etc...) He could be the greatest that ever lived but his not
(he's the best today but that doesn't say much). Prince will always have
to look up to see Hendix.
Matt
<Your Real Name>
Njfrantz <njfr...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970124132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> You are so off base it is scary. R&B and blues (i.e., "black music") is
> at the root of everything both O(+> and Hendrix do/did. They are the
> underpinnings of all American popular music and jazz. They are the
> greatest artistic contributions this country has given the world.
>
The R&B I am talking about is throw away crap that is played today by
BabyFace
and that kind of crap and that is not the root of all music that is just
Prince wanting to sell albums. As for hendrix, Blues and R&b are two
totally different things. Blues influenced everyone from the Beatles to
Clapton to Mr. Hendrix. His music was not blues. His guitar style had
some blues influences in it but the music as a whole was not blues.
> 1) Before Hendrix established his own style, he played blues and R&B on
> the chitlin' circuit with a number of artists, including Little Richard
> (obvious influence to O(+>). My guess -- and it is a guess -- is that if
> you asked Jimi, he would say he played black music, though he might just
> say he played music. Music has many colors, not just one.
That is my whole point, Hendrix had his own style. Who doesn't know that
hendrix was with little richard. I glad you have the exact same opinion as
Mr. Hendrix so i can you about his music (anyways??) How the HELL does he
play "black music" popular black music in those days was Motown and thats
not anywhere near Hendrix and if you compare him to Muddy Waters that is a
stretch as well. He was basically Rock. I would compare him to Zepplin or
the Stones even before Muddy Waters.
>
> 2) The music made by Motown often had real beauty. Think of Smokey
> Robinson's work, or Marvin Gaye, or Stevie Wonder, or the Temptations
work
> with Norman Whitfield. The songwriting, if calculated, was of very high
> quality, and the playing was first rate. Ask any musician about The Funk
> Brothers -- the Motown studio band -- especially bassist James Jamerson.
>
That's super but that's not Hendrix.
> 3) Current black popular music may not be to your taste, but don't think
> it represents all of black music, or all of music in general.
> Niles Frantz
> "Comin Home"
> WBEZ 91.5 FM, Chicago
> (But that's not all I do...)
Wow, I'm real IMPRESSED!!!!
Today's black music requires no thought, talent or ability. If you are
good looking and can carry a tune you are a Star. TLC, Foxy Brown, En
Vogue, Salt and Pepa
and the list is endless......
Matt
Tricky
> some of the most empty and trite stuff out there in the pop music
> canon. Then again, they don't all have minds like Bob Dillan or Roger
> Water's or Jim Morrison or John lennon. :)
...so I guess you and Matt will be having a grand ole time at
the next Klan meeting :)
Really John, we get it already. You don't like R&B. For all
your supposed "analysis" of Prince's 90's material, it all
comes down to you don't like R&B or rap. I guess I would have
a similar reaction if the Man drifted into a musical genre I
disliked, like Country & Western. He could be making the best
damn C&W albums anyone's ever heard, but I wouldn't like it
'cause I don't like country music.
As for Prince v. Jimi, it's moot. Jimi had a shorter career,
dying in his prime. It's comparable to Prince's career ending
after SOTT or Lovesexy. The guy who stops in his prime always
has a leg up in comparisons to longer-lived artists: it's the
mystique of the shorter-lived artist's unfullfilled potential.
Peace,
Tricky
JuvenileHi
Anotherlvr wrote:
#1. Bob Dylan wrote "Blowin In The Wind", "Lay Lady Lay", "The Times They
Are A Changin'", "Tangled Up In Blue", "All Along the Watchtower"...he was
a major hero to Hendrix.
#2. Hendrix didn't write "Hey Joe"...it was a cover! His lyrics are
fairly pedestrian. But he was a helluva guitarist. As a vocalist and
lyricist, he's seriously lacking.
Lee
martin zimmer
juven...@aol.com (JuvenileHi) wrote:
> Beatles. All white music (Elvis, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, etc.) is
> white guys trying to play black music and turning it into something a bit
> clunkier! The only music white folks can "claim" (although it's a silly
> game to play" is Classical. No, country came from blacks, too. Ever
but you're only talking about the united states here, right?
ever heard of "the rest of the world"?
---
mzi...@sw.cybersurf.de
ma...@haari.mayn.de
martin...@wue.maus.de
Tony Streetman
Uhhh, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Eric Clapton are all
British. England is not in the United States. Elvis was the only
American mentioned.
INFERNO
David Taylor
In The Sunshine", "Tick Tick Bang", "Batdance", "The Beautiful Ones" or
"Rock N' Roll Is Alive (And It Lives In MPLS!)" and that'll certainly
prove it. Also, I don't think any of his music is lazy, although of
course there are a few lazy songs. R&B isn't a lazy art form, it's just
relaxed. You may be mistaking relaxation for laziness. But it's your
opinin though. Who am I to correct you? You have yours, I have mine.
Peace and B Wild.
bULB
P.S.-What's lazy on "Emancipation"?
David Taylor
Did I see a KKK salute or note of some sort in either of those messages?
I certainly didn't, so do you have X-Ray vision or something?
Back to the music though, a lot of R&B today is awfully slack as it
seems that all you do need it a drum beat and a few catchy words to say
over it. That always reminds me of one song I heard I believe called
"Every Little Thing You Do" where the singers are just repeating "You,
Are, On-My-Mind" in a rather incredibly boring sense. That's lazy and
that's boring. As far as o)+> doing lazy music, I'd like to know what
this guy defines as lazy. Also, o)+>, like a few of the more talented
musicians still around today, knows a thing or two about soul. Listen to
"Friend, Lover Sister, Mother/Wife", "Saviour", or "Let's Have A Baby"
on "Emancipation" to get a look at how soulful he is. As for the rest of
the album, I've NEVER said it was perfect, but it's damn near close in
my opinion. A few flaws here and there like "Courtin' Time" which isn't
bad and "We Gets Up" which ain't very good. Also, where is the slack and
laziness this fellow talks about? I don't hear it. He doesn't just let
the songs go anywhere they want without changing them up. Some people
have complained about the drums on it, which is understandable to a
point since they are electronic, but the rest of that album is pure and
unlooped. Just about anything you can point to on disc two or disc three
is perfect! (Do you think "Joint 2 Joint" is lazy? It's really good, but
it's a bit lazy maybe. Just a tad though. It certainly makes up for it
quite easily with everything else it has. In fact, what is the big
problem with laziness? I'm not a big fan of laziness, which is one of
those reasons I really like o)+>, but it isn't that bad.)
I'm not sure where I was going, but I'm somewhere different now. Let's
not call anyone KKK members unless you've got that proof, okay? It's
rude and it's just the way someone starts another flame war, and how
many of us here REALLY WANT THAT?
Well, crazy old me dropping my .2 cents. Peace and B Wild!
bULB
<Your Real Name>
JuvenileHi <juven...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970128090...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Anotherlvr wrote:
>
> >Who's Bob Dillan? And how did Jimi Hendrix's lyrics become more
> >interesting than O)+>'s. Jimi is a great guitarist but the lyrics stunk
> >IMO except for maybe Hey Joe that was pretty good. Peace MarQ
>
Princes lyrics are crap. Get your groove on, Sex in the summer, Peach, Jam
of the Year, Billy Jack Bitch, all of Chaos and disorder, all of 1999,
almost everysong he ever did is not based around the lyrics, it is based
around the music. And synthesizer based music is not ground breaking at
all. (another point for hendrix)
> #1. Bob Dylan wrote "Blowin In The Wind", "Lay Lady Lay", "The Times
They
> Are A Changin'", "Tangled Up In Blue", "All Along the Watchtower"...he
was
> a major hero to Hendrix.
>
> #2. Hendrix didn't write "Hey Joe"...it was a cover! His lyrics are
> fairly pedestrian. But he was a helluva guitarist. As a vocalist and
> lyricist, he's seriously lacking.
I love his vocals, they have a signiture style, listen to Angel (it will
give you chills)
His vocals work with his style of songs. If he did silly dance songs like
Prince then they would sound like crap but Hendrixs voice is powerful.
Hendrix was extremely prolific. There are literally around 5 or 6 books
that my brother has are just his poetry.Hendrix and Prince were about the
music than lyrics but Hendrixs lyrics still mop the floor with Princes
lyrics. (another point for Hendrix)
Also Hendrix career only lasted around 3 years and if you take his work and
compare it to princes first 3 year work it is laughable.
Matt
>
> Lee
>
<Your Real Name>
Edoc D <ed...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970126231...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> There's a difference between modern R&B and the 60's and 70's artists
> mentioned.
> First the early artists HAD to be able to sing and/or play--there was no
> such thing as samplers and voice harmonizers. They were ALL talented,
but
> this modern stuff (for the most part) SUCKS!! R&B has gone downhill
> gradually--all I hear is samples form old songs with new lyrics on top.
Or
> just a lot of whining and begging. Where are the bands? There are VERY
> few R&B bands--most of these people can't play or don't want to.---it's
> easier to steal an old song than to learn an instrument. Modern R&B is
> all image driven--if you have the right look, you don't need talent--if
> you CAN play--you're "selling out" (they say that only "rock" people are
> supposed to have guitars)--Look at O+> for example--some of his stuff
> doesn't even make the R&B charts.
Prince does better on R&B charts than on pop charts. "I hate u" was an R&B
hit, Somebodys somebody was commercial R&B that will be a hit. More than
half of Emancipation is R&B, Prince today has more of an R&B following than
a rock following (unfortunately)
> Jimi was the same way--he could only
> work as a "sideman" playing in R&B (YES he DID play R&B at first--he even
> lived in Harlem for a while)
He did R&B to start his career because he's black and it is an easy start
--people were jealous or just thought he was
> too wild--he had to go to England to get his solo career going--he wasn't
> accepted here in the US until later--and he STILL couldn't get respect
> from R&B radio (some of his songs WERE more blues and R&B based).
>
Matt
<Your Real Name>
Edoc D <ed...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970126232...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Another thought--I DO see Jimi's influence in O+>'s playing, but I also
> see influences of Santana, George Clinton, James Brown, and even the
> Beatles in his stuff (to name a few)
Even Prince said there is not much influence from Hendrix. He says he
plays prettier than hendrix more like santana.
>
> This doesn't have to be an "either or" type of thing--and it shouldn't
> be--I like Jimi AND O+>!! I thought Jimi was great and I think O+> is
> great, too--very inspiring considering the state of most so-called R&B
> today.
>
> why even ask this--do rock fans have to choose between Kiss and
> Aerosmith?? I don't think so
>
>
Why not? on other newsgroups there is a "rivalry" between Kiss and Van
Halen. (No contest, Eddie kicks all there asses)
Tricky
Matt wrote:
> Basically Prince has no "killer" songs like Hendrix does. Prince prefers
> to show off about all the different styles he can do, and that's fine i
> guess if that is what he wants to do. But if you compare Prince's best to,
> Hey Joe, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Angel, All Along the Watchtower, Cross
> town traffic, all you people are just kidding yourself about Prince's
> music. Half of his music is lazy R n B, his newer stuff has record
> scratching in it, and throw away garbage (Chaos and Disorder, Half of
> Emancipation etc...) He could be the greatest that ever lived but his not
> (he's the best today but that doesn't say much). Prince will always have
> to look up to see Hendix.
Let's see. You're either:
a) a pitiful flame-baiter, trying to get attention by riling
this ng, or
b) someone who knows absolutely nothing about Prince's music.
What is for certain is that you're not making any points,
aside from "I like Jimi better than Prince" and maybe "I'm
a racist, who loves a black performer but hates 'black music'".
This whole thread is pretty silly, since Jimi was a great
performer and Prince owes him a tremendous debt for the
influence Jimi was on his early music. But the sad truth
is that Jimi's gone, taken well before his time, so we don't
have his 18 year career to compare to Prince's. For me,
it's a wash, and unless you have something substantial to
say, I'd have to judge this a matter of taste.
Peace,
Tricky
LisaC.
<Your Real Name> < wrote:
>
> Basically Prince has no "killer" songs like Hendrix does. Prince
>prefers to show off about all the different styles he can do, and that's
>fine i guess if that is what he wants to do. But if you compare
>Prince's best to, Hey Joe, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Angel, All Along the
>Watchtower, Cross town traffic, all you people are just kidding yourself
>about Prince's music.
> Half of his music is lazy R n B, his newer stuff has record
> scratching in it, and throw away garbage (Chaos and Disorder, Half of
> Emancipation etc...) He could be the greatest that ever lived but his
>not (he's the best today but that doesn't say much). Prince will always
>have to look up to see Hendix.
>
Jimi Hendrix didn't write "Hey Joe" or "All Along The Watchtower"
JuvenileHi
I wrote you wrote etc...
>>> Beatles. All white music (Elvis, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, etc.)
is
>> white guys trying to play black music and turning it into something a
bit
>> clunkier! The only music white folks can "claim" (although it's a
silly
>> game to play" is Classical. No, country came from blacks, too. Ever
>but you're only talking about the united states here, right?
>ever heard of "the rest of the world"?
---
>mzi...@sw.cybersurf.de
>ma...@haari.mayn.de
>martin...@wue.maus.de
Rest of the World? I'd hear'd of it, but momma warned me that it had a
bunch of Commies!
Uh, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones are all from "The Rest
of the World!" Of course, Kraftwerk is another exception to the rule, I
guess. And Brian Eno...and Heino! How about Nana Mouskouri? Oh, wait,
we're talking about Rock music here!
Lee, "God Bless the USA" H.
<Your Real Name>
JuvenileHi <juven...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970127065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Matt Matt Matt, you wrote
>
> >Music is Music and if you compare "Hey Joe" byJimi and "Raspberry Beret"
> by >Prince it is no contest.
Are you saying Rasp. B is better than Hey Joe and would like to know what
you are on?
>
> I am a fan of Jimi's, but Hey Joe is a poor example. It is a cover song.
>
When he does cover songs he does all new music for them and changes the
structure of the song. Bob Dylan does his version of All along the watch
tower in concert now instead of his own. Princes one of us was exactly the
same except w/the guitar solo.
It was a hit for some group that appeared on that "Nuggets" compilation.
> Jimi chose it specifically for that reason. To have a "hit" it was his
> first single, and quite a hit (in England, at least, where he was based
at
> the time. Jimi played Top of the Pops...)
>
> When Prince released Around the World in a Day, he didn't release any
> singles, and didn't make a video. It came out in late April '85, a few
> weeks after the Purple Rain tour ended in Miami, and he just wanted it to
> be released, he didn't want to promote it.
He didn't have to promote either, the follow up to Purple rain would be a
success no matter what he did or didn't do to it.
Here's a quote from Rolling
> Stone's interview that Summer:"You know how easy it would have been to
> open ATWIAD with the guitar solo that's at the end of "Let's Go Crazy"?
> You know how easy it would have been to just put it in a different
> key?...I don't want to make an album like the earlier ones..."
NO KIDDING, I have Per Nielson's book also smart guy!!
Raspberry
> Beret was released May 15th, a good three weeks after the album came out.
> The week before he announced he was "retiring" whatever that meant.
Radio
> stations picked up on Rasberry Beret and sort of picked the single for
> him. Then the record co. made him release it as a single, and shoot a
> video. He originally offered Raspberry beret to the USA for Africa
album.
> Not exactly a move based on commercial concerns.
We are the World was only the largest selling single of all time. It
contained USA biggest stars, it was impossible for this to fail
commercially, how in the world was this not considered commercial. They
were only following Bob Geldof's lead anyways.
Then in June, he
> started recording his next album, Parade...So that's a terrible example.
> I agree that he is sometimes concerned with a commercial sounding record,
> (U Got the Look), but usually he just does what comes out, and finds a
> single and album out of that.
>
>
> >Prince is "pop"music with no real message. It is mostly aimed to sell
> albums >and not to be trailblazer. He thinks that quantity is quality
and
> that is not the >case.
>
> Uh, well, everyone's entitled to some throwawy fun songs.
I like to know what your meaning of "some" is. Take me with you, I would
die 4 u, baby im a star, all of 1999(except maybe LRC), Ronnie talk to
russia, Jack u off, private joy, mountains, raspberry beret, tamborine,
around the world in a day, i wonder u, u got the look, play in the
sunshine, lets go crazy, glam slam, i wish u heaven, party man, cream,
strollin, P control, mbgitw, its gonna be a beautiful night, plus numerous
more that i can't think of off hand(i haven't heard my albums in a while)
> But what the
> hell was "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Fire"..etc....Very catchy
innovative
> POP songs, with no message. "Let Me Stand Next To Your Fire???" You
have
> to dig into the album tracks to get much substance,
Jimi's catchy songs were to get his career started. His career was only 3
years and he got noticed with those songs real quick. Prince on the other
hand is doing the same thing 18 years later and has not moved on to more
challenging work.
> and even then his
> lyrics are very drug induced, semi utopian ramblings. I really don't
> think Prince's music is designed to sell records. I think he stumbles
> onto a pop hit every once in a while. (Well, OK about 22 times)...and
> alot of his Poppiest, most commercial music remains in the vault.
How do you really know that? Are you just being optimistic?
> He
> always takes chances. Dirty Mind was banned from most radio stations.
> His first single from O(+> was Sexy Motherfucker. Not exactly a
> commercial move. He wanted to release Pussy Control off of Gold as a
Dirty mind, sexy mf and p control, he is trying "shock rock" or shock funk
which gets lots of attention from the press. Just look at the attention
Marilyn Manson is getting.
> single. He makes new music because he can. he is a workaholic. He's
> always looking for that next sound, a new breakthrough. Compare him to
> Miles Davis, not MJ!
I picked a better comparison at the end of my response.
> > How is it nuff said, I constantly hear how if people compare Prince
and
> MJ >people are almost insulted.
>
> MJ sings. MJ dances. He writes a little bit of his songs. Prince/O(+>
> writes, sings, plays most of the instruments on his records, dances, and
> plays hellacious guitar, hellacious bass, awesome piano, and tasty synth.
> Prince/O(+> has written songs about War (Live 4 Love, Partyup), God (God,
> Thunder, U Will Be Moved, God is Alive), Drug Abuse, (Sign 'O' the Times,
> The Love U Make) hardly commercial topics. Have your opinion, but know
> what you're talking about. You obviously don't.
I am not saying that they should be compared, ok guy. Your point before
was that artists shouldn't be compared and that was just an example that
get's thrown around way too much. Who the hell doesn't know what Prince
can do. I have 18 of his albums, I not the bumbling idiot that you think i
am. Personally I think a Prince/Bowie is a better comparison.
Lee
Matt>
PRuffin606
>The only music white people can"claim" (although it's a silly game to
play) is calssical...
Actually, that may not be all together true either.
Some musicologist are exploring the belief that Beethovens mother was
African.
Patricia
newpowersoulman
> Princes lyrics are crap. Get your groove on, Sex in the summer, Peach, Jam
> of the Year, Billy Jack Bitch, all of Chaos and disorder, all of 1999,
> almost everysong he ever did is not based around the lyrics, it is based
> around the music. And synthesizer based music is not ground breaking at
> all. (another point for hendrix)
>
Sign O' the Times, God, Money Don't Matter 2night, Free, The Ladder,
Forever in Life (or any of his lvoe song)? Of course an artist as
prolific is going to miss lyrically at times, but you're way off in
saying his lyrics are crap.
> I love his vocals, they have a signiture style, listen to Angel (it will
> give you chills)
> His vocals work with his style of songs. If he did silly dance songs like
> Prince then they would sound like crap but Hendrixs voice is powerful.
> Hendrix was extremely prolific. There are literally around 5 or 6 books
> that my brother has are just his poetry.Hendrix and Prince were about the
> music than lyrics but Hendrixs lyrics still mop the floor with Princes
> lyrics. (another point for Hendrix)
>
Did Hendrix sing in a falsetto voice? Well the Artist does and does it
well--but I guess that not powerful enough for you. Just because you
don't like dance music, it doesn't make it crap. I don't particularly
like C&W, but I can't say it's crap--much of t is good, Ijust can't get
into it.
> Also Hendrix career only lasted around 3 years and if you take his work and
> compare it to princes first 3 year work it is laughable.
Ever heard of Dirty Mind? Go to any respectable music review of this
album, it will go on about innovative and fresh Prince sounded. And why
are you comparing Prince's first three years to Jimi way short but
entire career? Is it because you fear if Prince/O{+>'s 20 years were
compared to Jimi's, Jimmy wouldn't come out on top? Know what the hell
you're talking about before you post.
newpowersoulman
Steven Sullivan
@worldchat.com> (YourRealName<youruserid) wrote:
: My brother who has been a huge jimi hendrix fan for some years now made me
: a
: tape of some of his best songs and it just blew me away. I don't think it
: is even close
: comparing the two. Jimi's music has vision, a message and there is nothing
: like it. I will always be a Prince fan, i have like 16 albums but i no
: longer think that prince is
: untouchable and no one compares to him because he is silly compared to
: Jimi. I think that prince has the talent to do everything that Jimi does
: it. Also lose the R and B music. Jimi was black and you didn't see him
: doing any type of Motown music to satisfy the black audience. I will never
: ever be a fan of "black music", it requires ZERO talent, just a simple drum
: beat and sing about love and/or sex. Prince sounds too much like MJ and
: not enough Jimi.
Jimi was concerned and frustrated that he wasn't reaching a black
audience; the result was 'Band of Gypsies', for one. Have you heard it?
It's downright funky in parts, as are *all* of JH's albums. And Jimi
learned what he knew playing in 'black' bands -- he was even in Little
Richard's touring band for a span. Your analysis of black pop music is
pretty simplistic too -- I doubt you've ever listened to anything by the
Temptations, or Sly Stone, or even James Brown, for example.
-S.
doubting this will make *any* impact, but still
Steven Sullivan
@worldchat.com> (YourRealName<youruserid) wrote:
: Basically Prince has no "killer" songs like Hendrix does.
If 'Kiss' and 'Purple Rain' and 'Housequake' aren't 'killer' songs, there
ain't no such thing.
:Prince prefers
: to show off about all the different styles he can do, and that's fine i
: guess if that is what he wants to do. But if you compare Prince's best to,
: Hey Joe, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Angel, All Along the Watchtower, Cross
: town traffic, all you people are just kidding yourself about Prince's
: music. Half of his music is lazy R n B, his newer stuff has record
: scratching in it, and throw away garbage (Chaos and Disorder, Half of
: Emancipation etc...) He could be the greatest that ever lived but his not
: (he's the best today but that doesn't say much). Prince will always have
: to look up to see Hendix.
It's funny, people used to say some of Jimi's album tracks were lazy
throwaways too..I guess some things never end. And of course, Jimi never
got to put out nearly as many albums as Prince...
Steven Sullivan
@worldchat.com> (YourRealName<youruserid) wrote:
: Njfrantz <njfr...@aol.com> wrote in article
: <19970124132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
: > You are so off base it is scary. R&B and blues (i.e., "black music") is
: > at the root of everything both O(+> and Hendrix do/did. They are the
: > underpinnings of all American popular music and jazz. They are the
: > greatest artistic contributions this country has given the world.
: >
: The R&B I am talking about is throw away crap that is played today by
: BabyFace
: and that kind of crap and that is not the root of all music that is just
: Prince wanting to sell albums. As for hendrix, Blues and R&b are two
: totally different things. Blues influenced everyone from the Beatles to
: Clapton to Mr. Hendrix. His music was not blues
Red House wasn't blues? Hey Joe wasn't blues? Voodoo Chile wasn't blues?
You just plain don't know shit, bub.
: > 2) The music made by Motown often had real beauty. Think of Smokey
: > Robinson's work, or Marvin Gaye, or Stevie Wonder, or the Temptations
: work
: > with Norman Whitfield. The songwriting, if calculated, was of very high
: > quality, and the playing was first rate. Ask any musician about The Funk
: > Brothers -- the Motown studio band -- especially bassist James Jamerson.
: That's super but that's not Hendrix.
And Hendrix wasn't Motown. So? I doubt he'd be as down on it as you are.
Steven Sullivan
@worldchat.com> (YourRealName<youruserid) wrote:
: JuvenileHi <juven...@aol.com> wrote in article
: <19970128090...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
: > Anotherlvr wrote:
: >
: > >Who's Bob Dillan? And how did Jimi Hendrix's lyrics become more
: > >interesting than O)+>'s. Jimi is a great guitarist but the lyrics stunk
: > >IMO except for maybe Hey Joe that was pretty good. Peace MarQ
: >
: Princes lyrics are crap. Get your groove on, Sex in the summer, Peach, Jam
: of the Year, Billy Jack Bitch, all of Chaos and disorder, all of 1999,
: almost everysong he ever did is not based around the lyrics, it is based
: around the music. And synthesizer based music is not ground breaking at
: all. (another point for hendrix)
Funny how all those folks were talking about the 'Minneapolis sound'
back in the 80's, given that it wasn't at all groundbreaking, huh?
Prince song that revolves around lyrics? Try 'Dorothy Parker'. And have
you listened to Hendrix' lyrics? Most of them are aren't so hot.
: > #1. Bob Dylan wrote "Blowin In The Wind", "Lay Lady Lay", "The Times
: They
: > Are A Changin'", "Tangled Up In Blue", "All Along the Watchtower"...he
: was
: > a major hero to Hendrix.
: >
: > #2. Hendrix didn't write "Hey Joe"...it was a cover! His lyrics are
: > fairly pedestrian. But he was a helluva guitarist. As a vocalist and
: > lyricist, he's seriously lacking.
: I love his vocals, they have a signiture style, listen to Angel (it will
: give you chills)
THere's also a pretty bad guitar note in there...even JH wasn't a god, you
see.
: His vocals work with his style of songs. If he did silly dance songs like
: Prince then they would sound like crap but Hendrixs voice is powerful.
His vocals were weak, even Hendrix knew that. It was his guitar playing
that made him famous.
: Hendrix was extremely prolific. There are literally around 5 or 6 books
: that my brother has are just his poetry.Hendrix and Prince were about the
: music than lyrics but Hendrixs lyrics still mop the floor with Princes
: lyrics. (another point for Hendrix)
Only in your head, dude. As for being prolific, advantage Prince.
: Also Hendrix career only lasted around 3 years and if you take his work and
: compare it to princes first 3 year work it is laughable.
Prince was writing, performing and putting out records at an age when
Hendrix was still playing the chitlin' circuit. I'm sure JH would have
admired Prince and much as P admires him.
Branna
As if Rock N Roll, Jazz, Blues, Country are not Black Music?
Tricky
David Taylor wrote:
>
> Tricky wrote:
> >
> > jmo...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as most R&B music is concerned. Yeah I
> > > agree, R&B music for all of its claims that it is "soul" tends to be
> > > some of the most empty and trite stuff out there in the pop music
> > > canon. Then again, they don't all have minds like Bob Dillan or Roger
> > > Water's or Jim Morrison or John lennon. :)
> >
> > the next Klan meeting :)
> No offense man, but where do you get off calling them Klan members?
> Did I see a KKK salute or note of some sort in either of those messages?
> I certainly didn't, so do you have X-Ray vision or something?
Note the smiley at the end of the sentence. I said it tongue
in cheek. I do not really believe that John is a Klan member, or
even a racist. As for Matt, I don't know if he's a Klan member
or not, but I believe some of the opinions he's put forth are
racist and incredibly stupid, and I've sarcastically referred to
him as KKK Matt in response (see my other posts on this thread).
> Back to the music though, a lot of R&B today is awfully slack as it
> seems that all you do need it a drum beat and a few catchy words to say
> over it. That always reminds me of one song I heard I believe called
> "Every Little Thing You Do" where the singers are just repeating "You,
> Are, On-My-Mind" in a rather incredibly boring sense. That's lazy and
> that's boring.
Yes. But R&B doesn't corner the market on lazy, boring music.
Neither does "black music", whatever the hell that means. Lots
of boring, trendy, commercially-based music is produced by white
people in rock, alterna-rock, metal, easy-listening and (surprise)
R&B. The original poster unfairly singled out R&B as the realm
of the talentless, while plenty of talented people are working
there (R. Kelly, D'Angelo, etc.) and doing good work. They're
just not achieving Babyface/TLC/Celine Dion success.
IMHO, both John and the original poster have a thing against
R&B, and think Prince shouldn't be making the type of music
they don't like. What I've always liked about the Man is
that he picks up various stagnant musical styles and breathes
some new life into them. In that context, how could he not
do R&B at this point in time?
> I'm not sure where I was going, but I'm somewhere different now. Let's
> not call anyone KKK members unless you've got that proof, okay? It's
> rude and it's just the way someone starts another flame war, and how
> many of us here REALLY WANT THAT?
Chill. If I was really calling anyone a Klan member, you
can bet I'd post whatever proof I have. As for it being
rude, that's granted. I hope I didn't offend you or John.
As for flamewars, it was already a flamewar when I got here.
Anyways, to paraphrase Clemenza in the Godfather: You need
flamewars around here every so often. It clears out the
bad blood :)
Peace,
Tricky
martin zimmer
juven...@aol.com (JuvenileHi) wrote:
> is
> >> white guys trying to play black music and turning it into something a
> bit
> >> clunkier! The only music white folks can "claim" (although it's a
> silly
> >> game to play" is Classical. No, country came from blacks, too. Ever
>
> >but you're only talking about the united states here, right?
> >ever heard of "the rest of the world"?
>
> Rest of the World? I'd hear'd of it, but momma warned me that it had a
> bunch of Commies!
well, your mom was wrong... :)
> Uh, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones are all from "The Rest
> of the World!" Of course, Kraftwerk is another exception to the rule, I
> guess. And Brian Eno...and Heino! How about Nana Mouskouri? Oh, wait,
> we're talking about Rock music here!
well, I got the impression (just read above...) that we're talking about
music in general. "country came from blacks, too"... i don't see country
as rock. "the only music white folks can claim...is classical"...
classical music ain't rock either.
> Lee, "God Bless the USA" H.
Martin "God Bless the World" Z. :)
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martin zimmer
INF...@cyberramp.net (Tony Streetman) wrote:
> martin zimmer wrote:
> >
> > juven...@aol.com (JuvenileHi) wrote:
> >
> > > Beatles. All white music (Elvis, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, etc.)
> > > is white guys trying to play black music and turning it into something a
> > > bit clunkier! The only music white folks can "claim" (although it's a
> > > silly game to play" is Classical. No, country came from blacks, too.
> > > Ever
> >
> > but you're only talking about the united states here, right?
> > ever heard of "the rest of the world"?
>
> Uhhh, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Eric Clapton are all
> British. England is not in the United States. Elvis was the only
> American mentioned.
actually, i was referring to the claim that the only "white" music is
classical music and that more or less all music is "black".
this is of course, in a worldwide context, totally false.
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JuvenileHi
Someone else wrote, but Matt thinks it's me, but I still feel like
commenting (imagine that!), yin yang, blah blah...
>>JuvenileHi <juven...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19970128090...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>> Anotherlvr wrote:
>>
>> >Who's Bob Dillan? And how did Jimi Hendrix's lyrics become more
>> >interesting than O)+>'s. Jimi is a great guitarist but the lyrics
stunk
>> >IMO except for maybe Hey Joe that was pretty good. Peace MarQ
>>
>Princes lyrics are crap. Get your groove on, Sex in the summer, Peach,
Jam
>of the Year, Billy Jack Bitch, all of Chaos and disorder, all of 1999,
>almost everysong he ever did
Uh, excuse me? Yeah, some of those songs' lyrics are lightweight, but I'd
hardly call BJB crap...C&D had well, C&D, Into the Light, I Will, and 1999
had 1999, Something in the Water, Free, Lady Cab Driver...all fine
lyrics...but onward we go...
> is not based around the lyrics, it is based
>around the music. And synthesizer based music is not ground breaking at
>all. (another point for hendrix)
Um, then why do you listen to it if you don't like it? This comment is so
so uninformed I won't waste my time responding. Brian Eno, anyone?
Kraftwerk? Afrika Baambata? Bill Laswell...duh?
>> #1. Bob Dylan wrote "Blowin In The Wind", "Lay Lady Lay", "The Times
>They
>> Are A Changin'", "Tangled Up In Blue", "All Along the Watchtower"...he
>was
>> a major hero to Hendrix.
>>
>> #2. Hendrix didn't write "Hey Joe"...it was a cover! His lyrics are
>> fairly pedestrian. But he was a helluva guitarist. As a vocalist and
>> lyricist, he's seriously lacking.
>I love his vocals, they have a signiture style, listen to Angel (it will
>give you chills)
>His vocals work with his style of songs.
Nothing Hendrix did (and I have heard it all) vocally gives me "chills"
except maybe "Could This Be Love" otherwise known as "Waterfalls", and I
do like his cover of "Daytripper" on the radio one set...but let's let him
try one harmony vocal overdub. O(+> does about ten on each song. That's
one point for O(+>, as long as we're keeping score!
> If he did silly dance songs like
>Prince then they would sound like crap but Hendrixs voice is powerful.
Going in two directions here, but point one I agree, point two-Hendrix
HATED his voice and had to be coerced into singing in the studio, an
excercise that embarrassed him terribly
.
>Hendrix was extremely prolific. There are literally around 5 or 6 books
>that my brother has are just his poetry.Hendrix and Prince were about the
>music than lyrics but Hendrixs lyrics still mop the floor with Princes
>lyrics. (another point for Hendrix)
O(+> is extremely prolific. Poetry is not lyrics. Hendrix wrote alot of
druggy half hearted sophomoric poetry, but so did I in Junior High!
(without the drugs...) I don't give up that "point". O(+>'s lyrics
started out kinda weak, but they keep getting stronger and more natural.
Even good (since about 1983).
>Also Hendrix career only lasted around 3 years and if you take his work
and
>compare it to princes first 3 year work it is laughable.
>Matt
Hendrix was 24 when he started recording solo. Up to that point He's been
on the road for a good 5 years. Prince played everything on his albums in
the first three years. He didn't even have a band together when Warners
wanted a tour. His first gig as Prince was so bad they cancelled the
tour. Looking back at the American Bandstand performance it is obvious he
took lots of dance and voice lessons, and improved a billion per cent. If
you look at O(+>'s last three years it makes Hendrix look laughable. Two
triple CD's, Come, Chaos, Gold, Girl 6, the Black Album, The Purple
Medley, Exodus, Children of the Sun, The Undertaker, The Beautiful
Experience (EP and movie), a couple of tours, hundreds of
songs...videos...and more stuff I'm forgetting about. And most of it is
very good, some of it is great. All Hendrix fans have is doctored up
studio leftovers, unfinished works because of Hendrix's excessive self
destruction. I like Hendrix. I think in some ways he is more important
than O(+>, but your reasons aren't the ones. Pick up a book or two and
read them about Jimi. I pity him more than admire him.
>>
>> Lee
>
Lee again
JuvenileHi
Martin wrote:
>well, I got the impression (just read above...) that we're talking about
>music in general. "country came from blacks, too"... i don't see country
>as rock. "the only music white folks can claim...is classical"...
>classical music ain't rock either.
Hey man! Don't criticize me! I'm always right! Except when it comes to
the lyrics of Sign O The Times...:) But while we're on the topic, the
human race came from people of color. And Rock and Roll is Alive, and it
Lives in Minneapolis!
Lee, tail between his legs, whimpering...
JuvenileHi
You wrote
>actually, i was referring to the claim that the only "white" music is
>classical music and that more or less all music is "black".
>this is of course, in a worldwide context, totally false.
Well, OK...lets just qualify my logic with "Western Music' whatever that
means. Excludes 9/10ths of the world I know, but it's what I know the
best. So sue me!
Lee
<Your Real Name>
Tricky <tri...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<32EDB3...@worldnet.att.net>...
> KKK Matt wrote:
> > Njfrantz <njfr...@aol.com> wrote in article
> > <19970124132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > > You are so off base it is scary. R&B and blues (i.e., "black music")
is
> > > at the root of everything both O(+> and Hendrix do/did. They are the
> > > underpinnings of all American popular music and jazz. They are the
> > > greatest artistic contributions this country has given the world.
> > >
> > The R&B I am talking about is throw away crap that is played today by
> > BabyFace
> > and that kind of crap and that is not the root of all music that is
just
> > Prince wanting to sell albums. As for hendrix, Blues and R&b are two
> > totally different things. Blues influenced everyone from the Beatles
to
> > Clapton to Mr. Hendrix. His music was not blues. His guitar style had
> > some blues influences in it but the music as a whole was not blues.
> >
> > > 1) Before Hendrix established his own style, he played blues and R&B
on
> > > the chitlin' circuit with a number of artists, including Little
Richard
> > > (obvious influence to O(+>). My guess -- and it is a guess -- is
that if
> > > you asked Jimi, he would say he played black music, though he might
just
> > > say he played music. Music has many colors, not just one.
> >
> > That is my whole point, Hendrix had his own style. Who doesn't know
that
> > hendrix was with little richard. I glad you have the exact same
opinion as
> > Mr. Hendrix so i can you about his music (anyways??) How the HELL does
he
> > play "black music" popular black music in those days was Motown and
thats
> > not anywhere near Hendrix and if you compare him to Muddy Waters that
is a
> > stretch as well. He was basically Rock. I would compare him to
Zepplin or
> > the Stones even before Muddy Waters.
>
> He played "black music" 'cause (if you haven't noticed) he was a
> black man. Maybe you want him to be "rock" so you don't have to
> think about his race, but if "black music" doesn't mean music made
> by black people, then it is a meaningless term (hint! hint!).
When i say black music i mean r&b rap etc.. If there is a white rapper
does that mean he is playing white music, OF COURSE NOT!!!!
> BTW, your backlash against Prince's music is rather typical of
> many white fans who loved Prince when he played rock and never
> refered to himself as "black".
I'm half black. My moms black and my dad's white, jerk
Then he broke up the Revolution,
> got funkier, and started playing "black" music. Now all you guys
> have nothing better to do than to complain about "black music"
> on a newsgroup dedicated to a black man...
>
> Ironic, no? Not really
>
> Tricky
>
<Your Real Name>
Tricky <tri...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<32EDAF...@worldnet.att.net>...
> Matt wrote:
>
> > Basically Prince has no "killer" songs like Hendrix does. Prince
prefers
> > to show off about all the different styles he can do, and that's fine i
> > guess if that is what he wants to do. But if you compare Prince's best
to,
> > Hey Joe, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Angel, All Along the Watchtower, Cross
> > town traffic, all you people are just kidding yourself about Prince's
> > music. Half of his music is lazy R n B, his newer stuff has record
> > scratching in it, and throw away garbage (Chaos and Disorder, Half of
> > Emancipation etc...) He could be the greatest that ever lived but his
not
> > (he's the best today but that doesn't say much). Prince will always
have
> > to look up to see Hendix.
>
> Let's see. You're either:
>
> a) a pitiful flame-baiter, trying to get attention by riling
> this ng, or
> b) someone who knows absolutely nothing about Prince's music.
For one thing i used to be just like you guys, thinking basically that the
music world revolves around Prince. No one is as talented BLAH BLAH BLAH..
Those days are over and come joine the winning team. I know plenty about
Princes music, I have 18 of his albums, Per Nielsons Documentary book, tape
every single performance or appearance that he makes.
> What is for certain is that you're not making any points,
> aside from "I like Jimi better than Prince" and maybe "I'm
> a racist, who loves a black performer but hates 'black music'".
How am i racist? I'm half black you ass hole. I can look at talent for
what it is. Music has no colour jerk.
> This whole thread is pretty silly, since Jimi was a great
> performer and Prince owes him a tremendous debt for the
> influence Jimi was on his early music. But the sad truth
> is that Jimi's gone, taken well before his time, so we don't
> have his 18 year career to compare to Prince's. For me,
> it's a wash, and unless you have something substantial to
> say, I'd have to judge this a matter of taste.
>
that's the whole point, Prince is so great (BLAH BLAH BLAH) but he had 18
years to develop his skills, songwriting etc..
> Peace,
> Tricky
>
JuvenileHi
Mystery person wrote
>For one thing i used to be just like you guys, thinking basically that
the
>music world revolves around Prince. No one is as talented BLAH BLAH
BLAH..
> Those days are over and come joine the winning team. I know plenty
about
>Princes music, I have 18 of his albums, Per Nielsons Documentary book,
tape
>every single performance or appearance that he makes.
>
>that's the whole point, Prince is so great (BLAH BLAH BLAH) but he had 18
>years to develop his skills, songwriting etc..
Right. This is the Prince newsgroup. I thought Prince sucked bigtime for
about 5 years. From '82-'89 I loved him. then he got stale. Sold my
entire collection the day "Gett off" came out as a single. Then 4 years
later, I got the Days of Wild boot and zowee! He's back. And I like him.
But I also like Clinton, Buzzcocks, James Brown, Bill Laswell, Sam Cooke,
etc...O(+> is not God, he's just my fave this year. Jimi was great too.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Lee
> Peace,
> Tricky
>
martin zimmer
juven...@aol.com (JuvenileHi) wrote:
> Martin wrote:
>
> >well, I got the impression (just read above...) that we're talking about
>
> >music in general. "country came from blacks, too"... i don't see country
>
> >as rock. "the only music white folks can claim...is classical"...
> >classical music ain't rock either.
>
> Hey man! Don't criticize me! I'm always right! Except when it comes to
hey, you're not the only one who's always right.... :)
> the lyrics of Sign O The Times...:) But while we're on the topic, the
> human race came from people of color. And Rock and Roll is Alive, and it
well, and white isn't a color? :)
> Lives in Minneapolis!
definitely!
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Tricky
> > Let's see. You're either:
> >
> > a) a pitiful flame-baiter, trying to get attention by riling
> > this ng, or
> > b) someone who knows absolutely nothing about Prince's music.
>
> For one thing i used to be just like you guys, thinking basically that the
> music world revolves around Prince. No one is as talented BLAH BLAH BLAH..
> Those days are over and come joine the winning team. I know plenty about
> Princes music, I have 18 of his albums, Per Nielsons Documentary book, tape
> every single performance or appearance that he makes.
If you have all that stuff, you must be a terribly slow learner
'cause it really doesn't seem like you know much about the Man's
music. Not just that, but I wonder why you "tape every single
performance he makes, etc." if, as you've said in previous posts,
he's a bad musician who makes lame R&B music.
Also, I wonder why every flamebaiter who posts an article like
yours to this group uses the same defence: "unlike you guys, I
don't worship Prince/blindly swallow everything he does/think
that all of music revolves around him". Undoubtably, there
have been better performers than Prince, particularly in some
areas: John Lennon (among many others) wrote better lyrics,
Jimi played a better guitar, Marvin Gaye had a better voice.
There are currently other artists outperforming the Man.
But then again, he's been one of the best (and for quite a
while in the 80's the best) performers around throughout
his entire career, and has a body of work that stands
alongside that of many other great performers, like those
named above.
> > What is for certain is that you're not making any points,
> > aside from "I like Jimi better than Prince" and maybe "I'm
> > a racist, who loves a black performer but hates 'black music'".
>
> How am i racist? I'm half black you ass hole.
"Asshole" is one word. Half-black doesn't immunize you from
being a racist (and note the use of the word "maybe").
> I can look at talent for what it is. Music has no colour jerk.
Your previous posts run in direct contradiction to both
statements. You're the one who referred to "black music",
so you're the one who spoke of music in terms of colour.
> > This whole thread is pretty silly, since Jimi was a great
> > performer and Prince owes him a tremendous debt for the
> > influence Jimi was on his early music. But the sad truth
> > is that Jimi's gone, taken well before his time, so we don't
> > have his 18 year career to compare to Prince's. For me,
> > it's a wash, and unless you have something substantial to
> > say, I'd have to judge this a matter of taste.
> >
> that's the whole point, Prince is so great (BLAH BLAH BLAH) but he had 18
> years to develop his skills, songwriting etc..
...and your point is? Prince was great in 1980 (Dirty Mind)
when he'd had only two or three years to develop his skills.
That's less time than Jimi had been a professional musician
before he started making his masterpieces.
Tricky
Tricky
JuvenileHi wrote:
>
> Mystery person wrote
>
<MysteryMatt's rant deleted>
>
> Right. This is the Prince newsgroup. I thought Prince sucked bigtime for
> about 5 years. From '82-'89 I loved him. then he got stale. Sold my
> entire collection the day "Gett off" came out as a single. Then 4 years
> later, I got the Days of Wild boot and zowee! He's back. And I like him.
> But I also like Clinton, Buzzcocks, James Brown, Bill Laswell, Sam Cooke,
> etc...O(+> is not God, he's just my fave this year. Jimi was great too.
> BLAH BLAH BLAH
>
> Lee
>
> > Peace,
> > Tricky
Very thoughtful response, Lee, but please watch your editing.
The inclusion of that last bit makes it seem like I wrote
Matt's rant, instead of being the guy to whom he was responding.
Peace,
Tricky
Tricky
> > > That is my whole point, Hendrix had his own style. Who doesn't know
> that
> > > hendrix was with little richard. I glad you have the exact same
> opinion as
> > > Mr. Hendrix so i can you about his music (anyways??) How the HELL does
> he
> > > play "black music" popular black music in those days was Motown and
> thats
> > > not anywhere near Hendrix and if you compare him to Muddy Waters that
> is a
> > > stretch as well. He was basically Rock. I would compare him to
> Zepplin or
> > > the Stones even before Muddy Waters.
> >
> > He played "black music" 'cause (if you haven't noticed) he was a
> > black man. Maybe you want him to be "rock" so you don't have to
> > think about his race, but if "black music" doesn't mean music made
> > by black people, then it is a meaningless term (hint! hint!).
>
> When i say black music i mean r&b rap etc..
Then waste the extra keystrokes to say "R&B, rap, etc." instead
of using a meaningless term like "black music".
> If there is a white rapper does that mean he is playing white
> music, OF COURSE NOT!!!!
Actually, if the term "white music" means anything, it means
exactly that. Conversely, Vanilla Ice didn't make "black
music" despite supposedly being a rapper. Once again, I
guess the best idea would be to simply not use stupid color
labels for music...
> > BTW, your backlash against Prince's music is rather typical of
> > many white fans who loved Prince when he played rock and never
> > refered to himself as "black".
>
> I'm half black.
...which means you're also half white (funny how that works).
Considering your lame views on the "color" of music, you're
not at all inconsistent with my statement about some white
fans.
Tricky