What is "art"?
ivory
is it dr. dre using unauthorized samples to further financial gain?
is it prince "spinning" his political views from a web site?
is it people posting on AMP...could be.
is it perfection or failure?
is it a post by ivory that no one will respond to?
or (my favorite):
"Art is the dog that sits on my front porch" - Neil Young (i think)
thank you for your time,
ivory
Cat Vutt
art as any human endeavor which doesn't grow directly out of our species'
need for survival, comfort, or reproduction. Eating because you're hungry,
or working to get money to get food because you're hungry, is not art.
Scratching your nose because it itches is not art. Trying to pick up some
babe in a bar because you are so friggin' horny that Roseanne started to
look good, is not art. Damn near everything else IS art. (**Granted, lines
blur, and percentages vary. It's the rare job<survival> that doesn't allow
for some expression, just as it's the rare artist who doesn't crave to
survive via his own expression and the rare horny guy who doesn't do some
artistic expression in trying to bag a babe.) Feel free to debate the
difference between "good" art and "bad" art and "fine" art and "important"
art and "pop" art and "pure" art and "abstract" art and "vuttian" art until
you're blue in the face. But flipping off some asshole who cut you off
going down 3rd Ave this morning is, in it's own small way, art. So is the
big, gouda-eatin' grin you flashed him when you blew by him while he got
stuck behind a UPS truck. I cringe everytime I hear somebody purse their
fucking lips and go "Oh, THAT's not AHRRTT", trying to give the word a
connotation it simply doesn't, or shouldn't, contain. Maybe something isn't
art that you like. But my complete apathy towards Winslow Homer's work, or
your disdain for someone else's expression, doesn't give us the ability to
deem that expression as something other than art. I just personally don't
believe that's possible.
But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
-Cat, sedated.
ivory <"ivorytowers"@uswest.net (IT)> wrote in message
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Kilio
The artist is the creator of beautiful things. To reveal art and conceal the
artist is art's aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or
a new material his impression of beautiful things.
The highest as the lowest form of criticism is a mode of autobiography. Those
who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming.
This is a fault.
There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written,
or badly written. That is all.
The nineteenth century dislike of realism is the rage of Caliban seeing his own
face in a glass.
The nineteenth century dislike of romanticism is the rage of Caliban not seeing
his own face in a glass. The moral life of man forms part of the subject-matter
of the artist, but the morality of art consists in the perfect use of an
imperfect medium.
No artist desires to prove anything. Even things that are true can be proved.
No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an
unpardonable mannerism of style. No artist is ever morbid. The artist can
express everything.
Thought and language are to the artist instruments of an art. Vice and virtue
are to the artist materials for an art. From the point of view of form, the
type of all the arts is the art of the musician. From the point of view of
feeling, the actor's craft is the type. All art is at once surface and symbol.
Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril.
Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not
life, that art really mirrors. Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows
that the work is new, complex, and vital. When critics disagree, the artist is
in accord with himself. We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long
as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that
one admires it intensely.
All art is quite useless.
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Kilio
RDHULL
Mouton Rothchild is a claret-and Ive smelt that smell before, and both times
Ive smelt a rat
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Cat Vutt
Kilio <ki...@aol.comnomas> wrote in message
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> All Art Is Quite Useless ~ Oscar Wilde
"Art does not reproduce the visible; rather, it MAKES visible." -Paul Klee
-Cat, still sedated, but now craving a cookie.
Snow2iger
>
Blasphemous.
RDHULL
>plus it smells funny.
Oh, I thought u said "f"art!
EnDoRpHiN
Kilio wrote:
> All Art Is Quite Useless ~ Oscar Wilde
> blah blah blah blah blah
EnDoRpHiN
RDHULL wrote:
> plus it smells funny.
Snow2iger
>going down 3rd Ave this morning is, in it's own small way, art.
And potentially deadly.
Jim Cim
<"ivorytowers"@uswest.net (IT)> wrote:
> What is "art"?
Something that disturbs the viewer, or listener to move from thier
comfortable exsistance and consider new horizons .......... Creates new
understandings and ideas.
Jim Cim
Jim Cim
Vutt" <cat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> My definition is going to be way too broad for most, probably. But I see
> art as any human endeavor which doesn't grow directly out of our species'
> need for survival, comfort, or reproduction.
Not bad ............... As a DaDaist I tend to follow the DaDa line that
"Everything is art ...... Nothing is art". It is all so subjective.
Jim Cim
Jim Cim
ki...@aol.comnomas (Kilio) wrote:
> The artist is the creator of beautiful things. To reveal art and conceal the
> artist is art's aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or
> a new material his impression of beautiful things.
That I completely disagree with. That's wall paper.
> There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written,
> or badly written. That is all.
That I do agree with.
> No artist desires to prove anything. Even things that are true can be proved.
> No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an
> unpardonable mannerism of style. No artist is ever morbid. The artist can
> express everything.
Agreed again. James Joyce said that the artist should be like God
.......... sitting above the work "Paring his fingernails".
>All art is quite useless.
It is the only thing humans do that is worth anything.
Jim Cim
Kilio
>"Art does not reproduce the visible; rather, it MAKES visible." -Paul Klee
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Kilio
Kilio
> Agreed again. James Joyce said that the artist should be like God
>.......... sitting above the work "Paring his fingernails".
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Kilio
Kilio
The Dada and Furturist really helped to break the art world wide open.
> Not bad ............... As a DaDaist I tend to follow the DaDa line that
>"Everything is art ...... Nothing is art". It is all so subjective.
>Jim Cim
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Kilio
Cat Vutt
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> >flipping off some asshole who cut you off
> >going down 3rd Ave this morning is, in it's own small way, art.
>
> And potentially deadly.
Back in Fresno, maybe. I live in NH now. The worst I'd get here is some
guy pulling up to me 3 miles later going "HEY! ASSHOLE! WHAT THE FUCK
ARE...hey...aren't you the guy who owned that bookstore in Dover?" "Yeah."
"How's it goin'?" "Good. Good. You?" "Good. Oh, shit. Gotta run. Take it
easy." "You too."
Seriously.
-Cat, who can't hates the snow in April, but can deal w/the other stuff.
ivory
hehe
hoho
lalalalalalalalalalala
hehehehehehehehehehehhehehe
oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're fuckin' funny man! how's the truck?
bye
ivory
ivory
nots...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> ivory wrote:
> > What is "art"?
> Artists WORK
ya, you don't see the things i see printing "Artists' WORK".
anyone with a computer, photoshop, illustrator (or the like is an
artist)?
hehe!
> > is it dr. dre using unauthorized samples to further financial gain?
> does dre require 'authorized samples'? if he did it without financial
> gain would that matter?
yes, it does matter! especially for financial gain. i play instruments
and use samplers. do you? (if you do i'd like to hear your stuff)
seriously.
if not, keep bobbin' your head to "someone else's'" lick.
not ribbin' hip-hop (or any other form that pays tribute)
but are they payin' tribute, or gettin' paid, or doin' the "puff daddy"?
> > is it prince "spinning" his political views from a web site?
>
> didn't you just answer your own question? If you interpret it as
> 'spinning' political views then thats what it is. Somebody else might
> interpret it otherwise.
and how would *you* see it?
is it "fact"? haha.
i love "prince" music....and alot of "the artist" for that matter.
have you seen www.npgonlineltd.com and the "newz"?
some good /some "provocative" / some "spin doctoring" like a politician,
no?
i didn't elect him, did you?
> > is it people posting on AMP...could be.
>
> "Y R U N AMP?" (I don't think so!)
hehe!
> > is it perfection or failure?
>
> how are these related to art? whose idea of perfect? A (rough) quote
> from Eno (via Bowie)
> "Art is the only place where you can crash your airplane and walk away"
nice, i was looking for opinions on "art".
> > is it a post by ivory that no one will respond to?
> an audience helps, doesn't it?
yes, it does. why would i *post* something otherwise?
"SELL,SELL,SELL" i must be a genius
> > or (my favorite):
> > "Art is the dog that sits on my front porch" - Neil Young (i think)
>
> My favourite art at the moment are t.v advertisements. Theres a
> desperation in the need to SELL SELL SELL that forces creators to use
> any necessary means to get attention. Often it sucks but sometimes its
> genius.
cool.
nots...@my-deja.com
Artists WORK
> is it dr. dre using unauthorized samples to further financial gain?
does dre require 'authorized samples'? if he did it without financial
gain would that matter?
> is it prince "spinning" his political views from a web site?
didn't you just answer your own question? If you interpret it as
'spinning' political views then thats what it is. Somebody else might
interpret it otherwise.
> is it people posting on AMP...could be.
"Y R U N AMP?" (I don't think so!)
> is it perfection or failure?
how are these related to art? whose idea of perfect? A (rough) quote
from Eno (via Bowie)
"Art is the only place where you can crash your airplane and walk away"
> is it a post by ivory that no one will respond to?
an audience helps, doesn't it?
> or (my favorite):
> "Art is the dog that sits on my front porch" - Neil Young (i think)
My favourite art at the moment are t.v advertisements. Theres a
desperation in the need to SELL SELL SELL that forces creators to use
any necessary means to get attention. Often it sucks but sometimes its
genius.
> thank you for your time,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jim Cim
ki...@aol.comnomas (Kilio) wrote:
> I am not a huge fan of the Dada period but I do agree with their manifesto.
It is more of an intellectual movement than an artistic one.
> The Dada and Furturist really helped to break the art world wide open.
Everything that happened at that time in art, music, literature, science
and God know what else busted the world right open. I think Einstien's
theories set the whole world on it's head.
Jim Cim
Jim Cim
> Artists WORK
LOL ............ That's really good. I love it.
> My favourite art at the moment are t.v advertisements. Theres a
> desperation in the need to SELL SELL SELL that forces creators to use
> any necessary means to get attention. Often it sucks but sometimes its
> genius.
I'm glad that someone noticed. The surrealists would be in awe : )
Jim Cim
Jim Cim
<"ivorytowers"@uswest.net (IT)> wrote:
> ya, you don't see the things i see printing "Artists' WORK".
> anyone with a computer, photoshop, illustrator (or the like is an
> artist)?
> hehe!
YES! But only history will prove them to be great artists, or not.
Jim Cim
Kilio
>Often it sucks but sometimes its
>> genius.
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Kilio