Phil's biography
P
I was by the following par:
"In 1980 he played drums on Peter Gabriel's third solo album and at the
singers request left his cymbals at home. The resulting 'in your face'
bombastic drum sound was put to good use by Collins on his debut solo single
"In The Air Tonight" released in Jan 81, it raced to no.2 in the UK and
achieved a top twenty position in the USA."
The part that impressed me the most was the phrase "at the singer's request
left his cymbals at home". In retrospect, how utterly brilliant that is.
Not just Gabriel's crystal clear vision for the sound of his record, but
also Phil's compliance with his request when he could just as easily have
said up yours fella! It's cymbals or it's nuthin. Very profound when
something that simple has such a major effect.
I can remember clearly the first time I heard "In The Air Tonight" on the
radio. Early morning, half asleep, these drums come through the clock radio
speaker and my first thought was "what on earth's this? It sounds like 'The
Intruder'..." I was a very new Genesis fan at that point, I had Duke but
couldn't have told you the names of any of the members. When they announced
the singer as Phil Collins I leapt out of bed to check the cover of Duke -
bought the album within minutes ;)
Mark Rae
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> I can remember clearly the first time I heard "In The Air Tonight" on the
> radio. Early morning, half asleep, these drums come through the clock
> radio speaker and my first thought was "what on earth's this? It sounds
> like 'The Intruder'..."
The "gated reverb" effect was created by Hugh Padgham and first used by XTC
on their 1979 album Black Sea.
Phil liked it and used it for a few years after that...
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"Mark Rae" <ma...@markNOSPAMrae.co.uk> wrote in message
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I've heard that, but Hugh himself stated that the first time he heard the
sound was when working with Peter and Phil to control the drum sound on that
session. This was in a panel discussion at the SXSW music conference in
Austin a few years back. XTC was never mentioned.
Jim
Mark Rae
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> I've heard that, but Hugh himself stated that the first time he heard the
> sound was when working with Peter and Phil to control the drum sound on
> that session. This was in a panel discussion at the SXSW music conference
> in Austin a few years back. XTC was never mentioned.
Have you heard Black Sea...?
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"It's been a long long time..."
Allan Matthews
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"And they talk about abortions....
In cosmopolitan proportions for their daughters"
Don't you know this is Respectible Street?
allan
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intruder
"Mark Rae" <ma...@markNOSPAMrae.co.uk> wrote:
PG III was recorded and produced during all of 1979 (some of it in 1978
too). That it came out in 1980 is only Atlantic's fault...
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P
> too). That it came out in 1980 is only Atlantic's fault...
There was an audio interview in which PG said the record company wanted him
to sound more like the Doobie Brothers and called the record "commercial
suicide".
By the way, does anyone have that interview? It was a really good one - I
used to have it but very very foolishly erased it.
Allan Matthews
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> > PG III was recorded and produced during all of 1979 (some of it in 1978
> > too). That it came out in 1980 is only Atlantic's fault...
>
> There was an audio interview in which PG said the record company wanted him
> to sound more like the Doobie Brothers and called the record "commercial
> suicide".
Yeah, such commercial suicide that it was #1 all over Europe.
I seem to recall Ahmet Ertegün, the pres of atlantic, asking if Peter
had been institutionalized after he heard the record.
Atlantic then promptly dropped Peter from the label.
And Frank Zappa still named one of his kids after the guy...
allan
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P
>
> I seem to recall Ahmet Ertegün, the pres of atlantic, asking if Peter
> had been institutionalized after he heard the record.
>
> Atlantic then promptly dropped Peter from the label.
>
> And Frank Zappa still named one of his kids after the guy...
Makes you wish the internet threat to record companies had begun sometime in
the '60s, we might have been rid of them completely by now.
Scotto of www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com
It's a shame Phil didn't have anyone else pushing him in a new
direction since (insert Disney joke here.) He was clearly at his best
back then, but I imagine he had to be intrigued by the act of drumming
without cymbals.
David Rodgers
> in the '60s, we might have been rid of them completely by now.
Exactly! Well said. Instead of suing online file-sharing consumers, record
companies missed a golden opportunity to make money instead of losing money
from file sharing.
Over ten years ago instead of shunning "Oh yeah, that Internet thing my darn
kids are on", record execs should have used strategy for ecommerce to
benefit the artists/musicians - NOT suing the very people who spend money to
support them.
I call it the "1970's 8-Track Tape Mentality". Gosh, I wish just one record
exec would read these posts.
Chuck
Still one of the greatest endeavors in the history of rock music, IMO.
PG was crowned (again) as a genious. Ironically, I thought his
Security tour show was better than that in support of III.
CB
"...As I burn into your memory cells"
Allan Matthews
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I disagree. I thought the PG3 tour show I saw in Chicago was the best
concert I have ever seen.
allan
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Peter
<allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>In article <1173395304.9...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
>ShorT...@aol.com says...
>> > PG III
>>
>> Still one of the greatest endeavors in the history of rock music, IMO.
>> PG was crowned (again) as a genious. Ironically, I thought his
>> Security tour show was better than that in support of III.
>> CB
>> "...As I burn into your memory cells"
>
>I disagree. I thought the PG3 tour show I saw in Chicago was the best
>concert I have ever seen.
Could it be that you're both right? After all, 'best' is wholly
subjective in this context. IMO, it has a lot to do with one's own
mood/feelings/recent experiences at the time.
Peter.
Chuck
> >concert I have ever seen.
>
> Could it be that you're both right? After all, 'best' is wholly
> subjective in this context. IMO, it has a lot to do with one's own
> mood/feelings/recent experiences at the time.
>
> Peter.
You have a point. At the 3 show, I was only 15 and not yet fully a
student of his music, including the then recently recently released
brilliant one. And dont misunderstand, it was a great show. I just
remember the Security show; opening with Rythym of the Heat, Lay Your
Hands, and the brilliant theatrics of San Jacinto. Left me speechless!
CB
Scotto of www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com
wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:46:52 -0500, Allan Matthews
>
> >In article <1173395304.993774.138...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
> >ShorThi...@aol.com says...
> >> > PG III
>
> >> Still one of the greatest endeavors in the history of rock music, IMO.
> >> PG was crowned (again) as a genious. Ironically, I thought his
> >> Security tour show was better than that in support of III.
> >> CB
> >> "...As I burn into your memory cells"
>
> >I disagree. I thought the PG3 tour show I saw in Chicago was the best
> >concert I have ever seen.
>
> Could it be that you're both right? After all, 'best' is wholly
> subjective in this context. IMO, it has a lot to do with one's own
> mood/feelings/recent experiences at the time.
>
> Peter.
Dammit, someone build me a time-machine so I can be the judge! (I
won't even say how old I was when these tours happened.)
Chuck
>
> - Show quoted text -
I hear ya! I remember Mother of Violence and Moribund the
Burgurmeisiter
being stellar at the PG3 show. Not One fo Us also cooked though I
barely knew it. Still think the first leg of Security was the ultimate
(I never saw Genesis with PG) CB