The World on Iraq War...
Jeremy Arnold
War. I think you might need to enable cookies and sit through an ad
to read it, but if you're curious about how the rest of the world is
covering this war it's worth it. Some interesting viewpoints,
especially considering their sources.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/03/20/world20/index.html
Jeremy
Jett Karma
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Thanks. Very interesting link.
--Jett
the happy squid
wrote:
>Here's a collection of editorials from around the world on the Iraq
>War. I think you might need to enable cookies and sit through an ad
>to read it, but if you're curious about how the rest of the world is
>covering this war it's worth it. Some interesting viewpoints,
>especially considering their sources.
i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
of the world thinks of america.
=
!squid
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Drago
"the happy squid" <tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote in message
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> On 21 Mar 2003 12:14:11 -0800, jsarn...@hotmail.com (Jeremy Arnold)
> wrote:
>
> >Here's a collection of editorials from around the world on the Iraq
> >War. I think you might need to enable cookies and sit through an ad
> >to read it, but if you're curious about how the rest of the world is
> >covering this war it's worth it. Some interesting viewpoints,
> >especially considering their sources.
>
> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
> of the world thinks of america.
You should give a fuck, but only to a degree. It's nice to have the
consensus of your friends, neighbors, and allies, but it shouldn't be
REQUIRED. The UN is NOT a "one world government", it is not a democracy.
It is a sounding board, an arbitrator, a place where nations can go to sort
out disputes. Nobody can force America to do anything one way or another.
We now will have to deal with the consequences of this war primarily by
ourselves, but I think that the government is prepared to do so.
-=john=-
Mirella
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>On 21 Mar 2003 12:14:11 -0800, jsarn...@hotmail.com (Jeremy Arnold)
>wrote:
>
>>Here's a collection of editorials from around the world on the Iraq
>>War. I think you might need to enable cookies and sit through an ad
>>to read it, but if you're curious about how the rest of the world is
>>covering this war it's worth it. Some interesting viewpoints,
>>especially considering their sources.
>
>i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
>of the world thinks of america.
I wish it would be so easy for the rest of the world if we could ignore
US politics. But unfortunately it's messing around *everywhere* :(
groetjes,
Mirella :) (I don't hate the USA, I hate it's government and especially
Bush)
--
<http://pearljam.start4all.com> (International)<http://pearljam.startkabel.nl> (Nederlands)
Mikeymaiste
>Mirella :) (I don't hate the USA, I hate it's government and especially
>Bush)
thats stupid. we have a GREAT government, a president who has become pertty
strong and is a pretty good LEADER, and we have the best country in the world.
thank god for it.
mike
Drago
"Mikeymaiste" <mikey...@aol.com> wrote in message
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puppet being controlled by other people. He is President, while Cheney is
Prime Minister, and the actual person coordinating things.
At least, that's my view.
-=john=-
Laurie Hester
A president who in inept at foreign policy, is mooned in Sweden, keeps
the royal family of Spain waiting, botches the names of foreign leaders,
attacks other countries without provocation, damages 8 years of
successful diplomacy with N. Korea, causing a crisis... yeah, he's a
real leader. Just where is he leading us?
As for the best country in the world, which countries have you lived in,
so you could compare? I've lived in several, and this one leaves a lot
to be desired... still, it's home and my family is here.
--
Laurie
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But,
after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any
country."
---Herman Wilhelm Goring
"Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the
mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their
rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what
I have done. And I am Julius Caesar."
---anonymous
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>A president who in inept at foreign policy
what's your beef there?
>is mooned in Sweden
what's their beef?
>keeps the royal family of Spain waiting
so what?
>botches the names of foreign leaders
some of 'em are tough to pronounce.
>attacks other countries without provocation
yeah, those pesky human rights violations are never a good enough
provocation.
>damages 8 years of
>successful diplomacy with N. Korea, causing a crisis
i thought *they* damaged it b/c they were too
proud/stupid/arrogant/whatever to *ASK* for assistance.
>yeah, he's a
>real leader. Just where is he leading us?
i won't say he's leading us to a brighter tomorrow, but i don't think
he's doing such a horrible job.
the happy squid
<why.yo...@worry.about.it> wrote:
>> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
>> of the world thinks of america.
>
>You should give a fuck, but only to a degree. It's nice to have the
>consensus of your friends, neighbors, and allies, but it shouldn't be
>REQUIRED.
ya know, i try to do things based on whether i think it's a wise idea
or not. the opinion of my friends don't factor much into that.
>The UN is NOT a "one world government", it is not a democracy.
>It is a sounding board, an arbitrator, a place where nations can go to sort
>out disputes.
the u.n. is a bloated and ineffectual citadel, w/ or w/o america's
participation.
>Nobody can force America to do anything one way or another.
>We now will have to deal with the consequences of this war primarily by
>ourselves, but I think that the government is prepared to do so.
my only real gripe is that i'd prefer that europeans not get trapped
in america's conflict w/ iraq. that being a given, i really don't
care about their opinion. i think the opinions of brits, aussies and
other nations in the coalition (along w/ their citizens) are worth
listening to, but i really don't understand why everybody goes so far
out of their way to toss in their two cents on what america should or
shouldn't be doing. i almost want bush to say "try to stop me".
but drago, none of this is an attack on you. and (seriously) i
applaud you for such a cool and calm response on an issue that is a
hot button for everybody. good job.
Mirella
There are many sites about how 'GREAT' (why the caps?) your government
is not. It's not that difficult to educate yourself...
He has 'become' pretty strong, in your opinion. Doesn't that say enough
already? ;)
Yes, he pretends to be your leader, but what does he lead you and the
rest of the world to? That's the main question, not the fact if he is
good on tv or not.
The best country in the world is the Netherlands, but I won't fight over
that ;). That's childish, and you can't compare.
groetjes,
Mirella :)
Drago
"the happy squid" <tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote in message
Heh, thanks......AMPJ is home to some -fierce- debating grounds compared to
a lot of the internet. With my experiences here, I've been schooling people
on other forums I check in to..........
-=john=-
JE
> that ;). That's childish, and you can't compare.
>
> groetjes,
> Mirella :)
Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
I thought that was the USA.
Mirella
>Mirella <mire...@chello.nl> wrote in message > The best country in the world is the Netherlands, but I won't fight over
>> that ;). That's childish, and you can't compare.
>>
>
>
>Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
>I thought that was the USA.
You thought wrong. I will show you some statistics. Of course, the USA
has a different history, being a immigration country in the first place.
Not many of the 'real Americans' are native Americans, if you know what
I mean. The Netherlands are very small, with many borders, so we have
always been a immigration country as well.
This if from www.cbs.nl, the site of the Dutch office for statistics.
On
Sunday
23 March 2003
18:40:57 (GMT +01:00)
the population of the Netherlands numbers
16,201,845
inhabitants
The counter above shows how many registered inhabitants there are in the
Netherlands at this moment according to the most recent estimate of
Statistics Netherlands.
Statistics Netherlands
Statistics Netherlands Press release PB03-050 page 1 of 2
PB03-050
18 March 2003
9:30 AM
Press release
Foreigners account for three-quarters of
population growth
According to new a projection released by Statistics Netherlands, the
number of people in the Netherlands with a non-western foreign
background will increase to nearly 420 thousand in 2010. The total
population in the Netherlands will grow by 560 thousand people in the
same period. This means that three-quarters of total population growth
will be caused by the rise in the number of people with a non-western
background. Asians will be the fastest growing ethnic group in this
period.
Nearly 420 thousand more non-western foreigners At the moment 1.6
million non-western foreigners live in the Netherlands.
Their number is expected to rise by nearly 420 thousand to 2 million in
2010.
The total population of the Netherlands will rise by 560 thousand in the
same period. People with a non-western foreign background will therefore
account for three-quarters of total population growth to 2010. The
number of western foreigners will increase by 100 thousand and the
number of native Dutch by 50 thousand.
Birth main factor of increase
Over half the growth in the number of non-western foreigners will be the
consequence of the excess of births over deaths: 260 thousand children
will be born to non-westerners in the Netherlands, one sixth of all
children born in the country in this period. Non-western women have more
children on average than native Dutch women: Moroccan women have one and
a half more children on average and Asian women half a child more. In
addition nonwestern women increasingly arrive in the Netherlands at an
age to start a family. Opposite these births, 30 thousand non-western
foreigners in the Netherlands will die by 2010.
Migration also important
Immigration and emigration will also play a part in population growth.
Between 2002 and 2010 a net 190 thousand non-western immigrants will
arrive in the Netherlands, just over a quarter less than between 1994
and 2002. In addition to asylum seekers, marriage migrants will arrive
from countries like Morocco and Turkey, and labour migrants will
increasingly arrive from Asian countries.
For further information please contact the press office.
Tel. +31 70 337 58 16 Fax +31 70 337 59 71 E-mail: persd...@cbs.nl
www.cbs.nl
Statistics Netherlands Press release PB03-050 page 2 of 2
Increasing Asian population
High birth rates and immigration have pushed up the Asian population in
the Netherlands. In 2010, 400 thousand people of Asian descent will live
here, one and a half times as many as in 2002. A large proportion of the
expected net 80 thousand Asian immigrants will move here to work.
Moroccans overtake Surinamers
After Turks, Surinamese are the largest non-western population group in
the Netherlands at present. In 2010 they will have been overtaken by
Moroccans, however. The number of Moroccans will increase to nearly 360
thousand while the number of people of Surinamese origin will be just
under 350 thousand.
On the one hand fewer people will come from Suriname to the Netherlands,
while on the other hand Surinamese women have fewer children on average
than Moroccan women.
This is just about the Netherlands. I don't know the numbers for the
USA, so I can't compare. It's just to tell you there is more 'world'
outside the USA.
Jett Karma
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lol! This place is a kind of no-holds barred "The Well." I like
that about this place. It toughens you up, and it helps you hone your
arguments. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...this place
has been hugely educational to me.
--Jett
Jett Karma
>****************************************************************************
That is my view, as well. There was even an article in the paper
today, "Bush's Posture: A Leader Apart." The main point of the
article was that, "The White House depicts the president as a
big-picture executive who isn't immersed in details." "His staff
insist that he pays little attention given to the televised bombing."
He didn't wish to be awakened to be told of the first casualties of
war. He took a break from last weekend's summit and his work on a war
speech to watch a Mel Gibson movie.
My view: he doesn't have to worry about the details. Someone else is
doing that for him. :)
--Jett
the happy squid
<myst...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>That is my view, as well. There was even an article in the paper
>today, "Bush's Posture: A Leader Apart." The main point of the
>article was that, "The White House depicts the president as a
>big-picture executive who isn't immersed in details." "His staff
>insist that he pays little attention given to the televised bombing."
>He didn't wish to be awakened to be told of the first casualties of
>war. He took a break from last weekend's summit and his work on a war
>speech to watch a Mel Gibson movie.
>
>My view: he doesn't have to worry about the details. Someone else is
>doing that for him. :)
that's just sad, if it's true. but that jives w/ what they're saying
on tv, how bush is (perhaps wisely) leaving the war to the
professionals, but it's still probably a bad idea to be so detached...
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:14:16 GMT, "Drago"
> <why.yo...@worry.about.it> wrote:
> >> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
> >> of the world thinks of america.
> >
> >You should give a fuck, but only to a degree. It's nice to have the
> >consensus of your friends, neighbors, and allies, but it shouldn't be
> >REQUIRED.
>
> ya know, i try to do things based on whether i think it's a wise idea
> or not. the opinion of my friends don't factor much into that.
>
> >The UN is NOT a "one world government", it is not a democracy.
> >It is a sounding board, an arbitrator, a place where nations can go to sort
> >out disputes.
>
> the u.n. is a bloated and ineffectual citadel, w/ or w/o america's
> participation.
It's ineffective because countries like the US and Israel ignore its
resolutions, and don't even pay their dues...
>
> >Nobody can force America to do anything one way or another.
> >We now will have to deal with the consequences of this war primarily by
> >ourselves, but I think that the government is prepared to do so.
>
> my only real gripe is that i'd prefer that europeans not get trapped
> in america's conflict w/ iraq. that being a given, i really don't
> care about their opinion. i think the opinions of brits, aussies and
> other nations in the coalition (along w/ their citizens) are worth
> listening to, but i really don't understand why everybody goes so far
> out of their way to toss in their two cents on what america should or
> shouldn't be doing. i almost want bush to say "try to stop me".
Because what we do does affect the whole world. Why wouldn't they care?
Laurie
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:43:56 -0600, Laurie Hester
> <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
> >A president who in inept at foreign policy
>
> what's your beef there?
He single-handedly destroyed 8 years of diplomacy which was working with
N. Korea... and he has managed to anger the entire world against us.
>
> >is mooned in Sweden
>
> what's their beef?
They were protesting some of his policies, most notably reneging on the
arms treaties and blowing off the Kyoto agreement.
>
> >keeps the royal family of Spain waiting
>
> so what?
Would you keep your President waiting? It is considered a big insult in
Spain. Very big. It's not good policy to go around the world insulting
people.
>
> >botches the names of foreign leaders
>
> some of 'em are tough to pronounce.
Again, Anzar is not that difficult. The least he could do is get the
names straight; is that too much to ask? I'm not asking him to be able
to put a grammatical sentence together, no...
>
> >attacks other countries without provocation
>
> yeah, those pesky human rights violations are never a good enough
> provocation.
Never in our history have we attacked another country because of human
rights violations, and we certainly have no intention of attacking any
of the other 100 countries which have human rights violations. Bullshit
reason for war; surely you don't think that's why we did it?
>
> >damages 8 years of
> >successful diplomacy with N. Korea, causing a crisis
>
> i thought *they* damaged it b/c they were too
> proud/stupid/arrogant/whatever to *ASK* for assistance.
No, Clinton used diplomacy to get them to stop their weapons programs.
Bush failed to come through with our promises, and threatened them
directly, causing their response to continue their weapons program.
Laurie
Laurie Hester
They are. And The Netherlands has the highest density of people in the
world. They also have a requirement for immigration that you take a
class to learn Dutch and other cultural things. They have free medical
care for all (as well as other benefits), have no school shootings,
little crime, and about 90% of them speak fluent English. High taxes,
but the quality of life is better there, with only one income required
to buy a house, and many have a holday home or a caravan trailer to
vacation with. 4-6 weeks holiday per year standard. There are lots of
ways it is better than the US.
It's interesting how ill-educated americans are about other countries,
yet they still insist america is better than all of them!
Laurie
Mirella
wrote:
>> Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
>> I thought that was the USA.
>
>They are. And The Netherlands has the highest density of people in the
>world. They also have a requirement for immigration that you take a
>class to learn Dutch and other cultural things.
Yes, but that's all pretty new. We used to be more 'free'. People were
welcome, no matter what. Now, we suddenly want them to 'adjust'.
>They have free medical
>care for all (as well as other benefits),
I'm afraid this is changing rapidly: there is still medical care for
everybody, but it's not free. It's getting more and more expensive the
last few years, unfortunately.
> have no school shootings,
>little crime,
But we do count 'bicycle theft' as crime, so the numbers are pretty high
;). To be honest: the numbers of violence crimes are rising here, and
there is a lot of social concern about that.
>and about 90% of them speak fluent English.
with a very Dutch accent ;). English, Dutch and math were the only three
compulsory subjects when I was in school. I started to learn it when I
was 12 (with a very bad teacher, so I didn't learn much). Nowadays,
children get English classes earlier.
>High taxes,
>but the quality of life is better there, with only one income required
>to buy a house, and many have a holday home or a caravan trailer to
>vacation with. 4-6 weeks holiday per year standard. There are lots of
>ways it is better than the US.
Almost everything is true, apart from the one income to buy a house.
That has almost become impossible. I could only buy my appartment
because my father lives with me, and he can pay half of my costs for the
house.
>It's interesting how ill-educated americans are about other countries,
>yet they still insist america is better than all of them!
It always reminds me of the line "I am a patriot, and I love my country,
because my country, is all I know".
>Laurie
Laurie Hester
hand-picked newspeople with controlled questions and scripted answers,
then get him out of there before he has to say something non-scripted.
Laurie
JE
> USA, so I can't compare. It's just to tell you there is more 'world'
> outside the USA.
>
> groetjes,
> Mirella :)
Well, then it doesn't really tell the whole story then does it?
Thanks for the info, I thought the world ended at the borders of the
USA. At least the world that matters. hehe
Saerah Bennett
>strong and is a pretty good LEADER, and we have the best country in the
>world.
>thank god for it.
>
>mike
this is why people call americans arrogant.
Saerah
--
*entitlement hipmoo*
"Are we going to the same place? If so, can i come?"
"No!! Not the Tuesday surprise!!"
Drago
"Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's ineffective because countries like the US and Israel ignore its
> resolutions, and don't even pay their dues...
>
The current dues system is a crock of shit. They either need to fix the
dues system or the votes system. You can't have a council where some
country like Micronesia or Gabon has the same say on the security council as
Germany or India, and then go and say that the US has to pay higher dues
based on an economic stratification chart. (Not that it's related, but I
think that the Security council would get a lot more intersting if India,
Pakistan, and Israel all became permanent members.......)
-=john=-
Drago
>
> I'm afraid this is changing rapidly: there is still medical care for
> everybody, but it's not free. It's getting more and more expensive the
> last few years, unfortunately.
>
> ;). To be honest: the numbers of violence crimes are rising here, and
> there is a lot of social concern about that.
>
Has the Netherlands always had a very high level of immigration, or do you
feel that "quality of life" has been decreasing since a big influx in
immigrants? Is there a large racial economic stratification? For example,
are most professionals still Western, and service workers immigrants?
Not making any assumptions, just curious.
> It always reminds me of the line "I am a patriot, and I love my country,
> because my country, is all I know".
>
Very true!
-=john=-
Drago
>
> He single-handedly destroyed 8 years of diplomacy which was working with
> N. Korea... and he has managed to anger the entire world against us.
>
I'd really like some proof that the North Korean nuclear program was
completely dormant until Bush came along, I just do NOT think that it is
true.
http://fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/IB91141.pdf
"North Korea began a secret uranium enrichment program after 1995,
reportedly with the assistance of Pakistan."
That kinda says it all. NK has disregarded the 1994 agreement since the
get-go.
-=john=-
Bib
"Drago" <why.yo...@worry.about.it> wrote in message
news:Ezufa.57565$s75.18...@twister.columbus.rr.com...
Don't go diluting this conversation with facts, it's much more fun to make
blanket, partisan statements with no basis to support ourselves.
Bib
"Iraq has never performed an act of terrorism, nor do we have any proof that
they support it financially or otherwise."
---Laurie Hester
"If Saddam Hussein fails to comply and we fail to act or we take some
ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop his
program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release
of sanctions and ignore the commitments he's made? Well, he will conclude
that the international community's lost its will. He will then conclude that
he can go right on doing more to build an arsenal of devastating
destruction. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would
follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. The stakes could not be
higher. Some way, someday, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
---President Bill Clinton in 1998
>
> -=john=-
>
>
>
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> >is mooned in Sweden
>>
>> what's their beef?
>
>They were protesting some of his policies, most notably reneging on the
>arms treaties and blowing off the Kyoto agreement.
kyoto is full of shit. i for one hope america NEVER agrees to it. if
i were president, i'd do more than blow it off, i'd piss all over it
and sell tickets.
>Would you keep your President waiting? It is considered a big insult in
>Spain. Very big. It's not good policy to go around the world insulting
>people.
actually, yeah, i might keep the prez waiting. but seriously, what
the fuck does spain do these days that's worth ANYthing?? the prez of
the u.s. is (at least in the u.s.) regarded as the most powerful
position in the world, which implies he's a busy man. so if he keeps
some spanish leader waiting, i hope it could be understood. if not,
fuck off.
>Again, Anzar is not that difficult. The least he could do is get the
>names straight; is that too much to ask? I'm not asking him to be able
>to put a grammatical sentence together, no...
that one is easy enough, you're right. i was thinking of names that
just don't pop up that often in day to day english conversation with
like 15 syllables (sp?) in them. was that the only name he messed up?
if so, then your case is pretty weak. if there are other names, then
i'll bet there's a tricky name or two in there.
>Never in our history have we attacked another country because of human
>rights violations, and we certainly have no intention of attacking any
>of the other 100 countries which have human rights violations. Bullshit
>reason for war; surely you don't think that's why we did it?
we're doing it for a lot of reasons. the human rights issues are the
reasons why i don't mind us shooting hussein right out of office. if
i thought iraq was going to become an american colony, *THEN* i'd be
pissed.
>> i thought *they* damaged it b/c they were too
>> proud/stupid/arrogant/whatever to *ASK* for assistance.
>
>No, Clinton used diplomacy to get them to stop their weapons programs.
if memory serves, clinton had his own problems w/ those guys.
>Bush failed to come through with our promises
such as?
>and threatened them
>directly, causing their response to continue their weapons program.
unless i'm VERY mistaken (which is possibility), he never did ANYthing
until they showed agression first. i'm not going to weep for north
korea. if they need help, they should fucking ask for it like
civilized human beings. kinda like if i want to borrow $5 from a
friend of mine; i won't threaten to kick his ass unless he gives me
$5, i'll ask nicely and promise to pay him back. i don't care what
north korea's culture is or how they do things, THEY need the help.
they should come to terms on this, not america... having said that,
bush should be a bit sympathetic to them, but in the end, they need a
favor. ask nicely, young jedi. this is all stuff the rest of us
learned in kindergarten.
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>They just sober him up every so often to parade him in front of the
>hand-picked newspeople with controlled questions and scripted answers,
>then get him out of there before he has to say something non-scripted.
kinda makes me wonder if they pried monica off of bill's dick
everytime he needed to make a speech...
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
>> I thought that was the USA.
>
>They are. And The Netherlands has the highest density of people in the
>world. They also have a requirement for immigration that you take a
>class to learn Dutch and other cultural things.
what's open-minded about that??
>They have free medical
>care for all (as well as other benefits), have no school shootings,
>little crime, and about 90% of them speak fluent English. High taxes,
the high taxes are probably WHY there's free medical care for all.
>but the quality of life is better there, with only one income required
>to buy a house, and many have a holday home or a caravan trailer to
>vacation with. 4-6 weeks holiday per year standard. There are lots of
>ways it is better than the US.
>
>It's interesting how ill-educated americans are about other countries,
>yet they still insist america is better than all of them!
two words- cable modem. a lot of the rest world doesn't have those
yet. and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here. that
(and lower taxes) form a pretty convincing argument, at least for me.
the happy squid
Bennett) wrote:
>>thats stupid. we have a GREAT government, a president who has become pertty
>>strong and is a pretty good LEADER, and we have the best country in the
>>world.
>>thank god for it.
>>
>>mike
>
>this is why people call americans arrogant.
he's proud of his country. there are other ways of expressing
patriotism besides pissing all over a picture of shrub, you know.
Laurie Hester
Drago wrote:
>
> "Mirella" <mire...@chello.nl> wrote in message
> news:35cs7vcqm9rqc1h1t...@4ax.com...
> >
> > I'm afraid this is changing rapidly: there is still medical care for
> > everybody, but it's not free. It's getting more and more expensive the
> > last few years, unfortunately.
> >
> > But we do count 'bicycle theft' as crime, so the numbers are pretty high
> > ;). To be honest: the numbers of violence crimes are rising here, and
> > there is a lot of social concern about that.
> >
>
> Has the Netherlands always had a very high level of immigration, or do you
> feel that "quality of life" has been decreasing since a big influx in
> immigrants? Is there a large racial economic stratification? For example,
> are most professionals still Western, and service workers immigrants?
>
> Not making any assumptions, just curious.
The workers in McDonald's in Holland speak better English than the
workers in McDonald's in America... (honest, I only went in there for a
coke because the only store in the area, at the train station, was
closed)
Saerah Bennett
>
>he's proud of his country. there are other ways of expressing
>patriotism besides pissing all over a picture of shrub, you know.
>=
>!squid
just because we have the most money doesnt mean we're the best. popularity
contests are very short-term. go rent "everybodys all american"
Saerah
--
*entitlement hipmoo*
"For it is not enough to dissent. We must demand it. For there is much
to dissent from."
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:47:34 -0600, Laurie Hester
> <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
> >> Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
> >> I thought that was the USA.
> >
> >They are. And The Netherlands has the highest density of people in the
> >world. They also have a requirement for immigration that you take a
> >class to learn Dutch and other cultural things.
>
> what's open-minded about that??
Because they want to embrace immigrants, not just let them live in
little isolated ghettos like we do here.
>
> >They have free medical
> >care for all (as well as other benefits), have no school shootings,
> >little crime, and about 90% of them speak fluent English. High taxes,
>
> the high taxes are probably WHY there's free medical care for all.
Perhaps, but there is free medical care in the UK and I paid less taxes
there than in the US.
Saerah Bennett
>!squid
oh yeah! our chicks shave their pits! we're #1! we're #1!
Laurie Hester
I'm not getting that from the link. The 1994 agreement was to shut down
the nuclear facilities. Then it says: The program is
based on the process of uranium enrichment, in contrast to North Korea’s
pre-1995 nuclear program based on plutonium reprocessing. North Korea
began a secret uranium enrichment program after 1995 reportedly with the
assistance of Pakistan.
So it implies that this was a change from the pre-1995 program, which,
since it was known about and after the 1994 agreement, was not a
prohibited act in the 1994 agreement. The 1994 agreement was about the
facilities, not prohibiting any enrichment program. They abided by the
1994 agreement in fact (if not in principal by developing an uranium
program) until 2002.
What has everyone bothered is their 2002 decision to re-open the
facility which *was* covered under the 1994 agreement in response to
Bush's callous remarks and threats.
Laurie
>
> -=john=-
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:40:19 -0600, Laurie Hester
> <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
> >> >is mooned in Sweden
> >>
> >> what's their beef?
> >
> >They were protesting some of his policies, most notably reneging on the
> >arms treaties and blowing off the Kyoto agreement.
>
> kyoto is full of shit. i for one hope america NEVER agrees to it. if
> i were president, i'd do more than blow it off, i'd piss all over it
> and sell tickets.
Do you even know what it is? If so, please explain why it's a bad
thing.
>
> >Would you keep your President waiting? It is considered a big insult in
> >Spain. Very big. It's not good policy to go around the world insulting
> >people.
>
> actually, yeah, i might keep the prez waiting. but seriously, what
> the fuck does spain do these days that's worth ANYthing?? the prez of
> the u.s. is (at least in the u.s.) regarded as the most powerful
> position in the world, which implies he's a busy man. so if he keeps
> some spanish leader waiting, i hope it could be understood. if not,
> fuck off.
Why they're an important part of "the coalition"...
>
> >Again, Anzar is not that difficult. The least he could do is get the
> >names straight; is that too much to ask? I'm not asking him to be able
> >to put a grammatical sentence together, no...
>
> that one is easy enough, you're right. i was thinking of names that
> just don't pop up that often in day to day english conversation with
> like 15 syllables (sp?) in them. was that the only name he messed up?
> if so, then your case is pretty weak. if there are other names, then
> i'll bet there's a tricky name or two in there.
Yes, and a monkey could learn those names in a few minutes of
practicing..
>
> >Never in our history have we attacked another country because of human
> >rights violations, and we certainly have no intention of attacking any
> >of the other 100 countries which have human rights violations. Bullshit
> >reason for war; surely you don't think that's why we did it?
>
> we're doing it for a lot of reasons. the human rights issues are the
> reasons why i don't mind us shooting hussein right out of office.
Then you must be for blowing the Saudi royalty out of office next. And
the Chinese leaders.
>if
> i thought iraq was going to become an american colony, *THEN* i'd be
> pissed.
>
> >> i thought *they* damaged it b/c they were too
> >> proud/stupid/arrogant/whatever to *ASK* for assistance.
> >
> >No, Clinton used diplomacy to get them to stop their weapons programs.
>
> if memory serves, clinton had his own problems w/ those guys.
Yes, and he resolved it with diplomacy.
>
> >Bush failed to come through with our promises
>
> such as?
"The 1994 Agreed Framework,
which provides for the shutdown of
North Korea’s nuclear facilities in return for
the delivery to North Korea of 500,000 tons of
heavy oil and the construction in North Korea
of two light water nuclear reactors.
>
> >and threatened them
> >directly, causing their response to continue their weapons program.
>
> unless i'm VERY mistaken (which is possibility), he never did ANYthing
> until they showed agression first.
Yes, you're mistaken. We didn't fulfill our part of the bargain, and
then Bush threatened them.
> i'm not going to weep for north
> korea. if they need help, they should fucking ask for it like
> civilized human beings. kinda like if i want to borrow $5 from a
> friend of mine; i won't threaten to kick his ass unless he gives me
> $5, i'll ask nicely and promise to pay him back. i don't care what
> north korea's culture is or how they do things, THEY need the help.
> they should come to terms on this, not america... having said that,
> bush should be a bit sympathetic to them, but in the end, they need a
> favor. ask nicely, young jedi. this is all stuff the rest of us
> learned in kindergarten.
> =
> !squid
>
> http://www.blissnet.org
> bliss
>
> http://www.blissnet.org/ampj
> AMP-J Online (i'm always looking for more pics)
--
Laurie
"It's much more fun to make blanket, partisan statements with no basis
to support ourselves."
--Bib
Laurie Hester
Drago wrote:
>
> "Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3E7E0BE4...@rcn.com...
> >
> > It's ineffective because countries like the US and Israel ignore its
> > resolutions, and don't even pay their dues...
> >
>
> The current dues system is a crock of shit. They either need to fix the
> dues system or the votes system. You can't have a council where some
> country like Micronesia or Gabon has the same say on the security council as
> Germany or India, and then go and say that the US has to pay higher dues
> based on an economic stratification chart.
Right, because the US has over half the world's wealth, we can't expect
it to pay higher dues... anyone for tax cuts for the wealthy?
< (Not that it's related, but I
> think that the Security council would get a lot more intersting if India,
> Pakistan, and Israel all became permanent members.......)
>
> -=john=-
--
the happy squid
Bennett) wrote:
>> and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here.
>
>>!squid
>
>oh yeah! our chicks shave their pits! we're #1! we're #1!
american chicks are. yum yum. i LOVE american girls. accept no
substitutes.
the happy squid
Bennett) wrote:
>>>this is why people call americans arrogant.
>>
>>he's proud of his country. there are other ways of expressing
>>patriotism besides pissing all over a picture of shrub, you know.
>>=
>>!squid
>
>just because we have the most money doesnt mean we're the best. popularity
>contests are very short-term. go rent "everybodys all american"
i don't care about being popular. i could give a damn that rest of
the world doesn't like us. penis envy, i think.
=
!squid, who's looking right at canada as he says that...
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> kyoto is full of shit. i for one hope america NEVER agrees to it. if
>> i were president, i'd do more than blow it off, i'd piss all over it
>> and sell tickets.
>
>Do you even know what it is? If so, please explain why it's a bad
>thing.
http://www.wcel.org/wcelpub/2000/13084.html
"Compliance provisions will be essential to ensure that the Kyoto
commitments are adhered to. Although compliance provisions are
currently unresolved, there are three dominant potential problems.
First, the US has proposed to allow excess emitters to "borrow"
allowable emissions from future commitment periods. This would allow
Parties to indefinitely postpone emission reductions and it reduces
the potential for stringent future commitments. Second, many parties
have resisted either financial penalties or trade sanctions as
responses to non-compliance. Third, the combination of potentially
weak enforcement responses, and buyers in an emissions trading system
not being responsible for non-compliance of sellers, creates a
situation where the environmental impacts of one nation’s
non-compliance could spread and multiply."
the above phrases that part of the argument better than i could've.
basically, the credits are for sale and that could quite easily
promote an ongoing attitude of non-compliance for all parties w/
little fear of reprisal (there's not much in kyoto for that inevitable
scenario). the end result is that the kyoto protocol may as well have
never been enacted as the largest polluters will likely find a way to
legally dodge the agreement. KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
also, one of the targets of kyoto is emissions (carbon dioxide) from
cars. this is stupidity of the first order, simply b/c engines today
produce cleaner exhaust than engines of, say, fifteen years ago (and i
mean this in general, i'm well aware that this isn't the same as what
suv's/trucks emit, but i'll deal w/ this later). to give you an idea,
a 2000 honda accord ex (in 100,000 miles of emissions) produces
exhaust similar to pouring ONE gallon of gasoline on the highway on a
hot texas day... and the 2000 honda accord ex is classified as a "low
emissions vehicle", as far many other popular cars. what's the point?
engines of today produce less greenhouse gases than before and air
quality is (at best, but we both know this isn't true) unchanged.
more to the point, you could get rid of every internal combustion
engine tomorrow (sheer logistics aside) and in ten years time, the air
wouldn't even be 10% cleaner. that's far less than kyoto is asking
for... and that's when joe sixpack is giving his ALL. simply put,
kyoto is unrealistic about carbon dioxide emissions. i'm focusing on
cars here as that is where you'd think the answer begins. wrong!
that's pretty much were the answer ends. that should be the LAST step
if you're going by order of significant contribution to greenhouse gas
emissions as it's the smallest of the total problem and would be the
most difficult to fix. kyoto's over-reaching ambitions would hardly
be satisfied simply w/ the elimination of internal combustion engines.
KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
and that's something else. all kyoto focuses on is greenhouse gases.
there's not even a syllable in the stupid agreement for smog. KYOTO
WOULDN'T WORK.
as far as suv's/trucks are concerned, they've only been a fad (and
that's all it is) for ten years TOPS. that means that the majority of
kyoto's gripe w/ greenhouse gases doesn't really much include suv's...
especially since (at the time of the writing of the protocol in 1997),
the suv trend hadn't fully blossomed. KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
simply put, kyoto is far too ambitious for the common man to deal w/
and much too easy for lazy politicians to legally dodge. KYOTO
WOULDN'T WORK.
>Yes, and a monkey could learn those names in a few minutes of
>practicing..
show me a monkey who can speak english and i'll give him a banana. oh
yeah, KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
>Then you must be for blowing the Saudi royalty out of office next. And
>the Chinese leaders.
i wouldn't be against the idea. freedom and safety for all. what i
don't get is why the rest of the world (who probably know as much
about those atrocities as we do) aren't taking action as well.
KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
=
!squid, who says "KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK."
Laurie Hester
You gotta be nuts! It was the US who insisted on those conditions! It
would have worked if the US had agreed to abide by it. Basically they
were saying we shouldn't sign it because we put in clauses which would
make it fail to reach its goals.
And I'm not even gonna address your silly argument below. It was a
first step, and any reductions it made would be preferable to the
alternative, no Kyoto and *increasing* emissions. Since the US produced
25% of the world's pollution with something like 1/20th of the world's
population, this is another example of how the US' arrogance is
affecting the entire world. Can you see how they might object to our
behavior?
--
the happy squid
>> the above phrases that part of the argument better than i could've.
>> basically, the credits are for sale and that could quite easily
>> promote an ongoing attitude of non-compliance for all parties w/
>> little fear of reprisal (there's not much in kyoto for that inevitable
>> scenario). the end result is that the kyoto protocol may as well have
>> never been enacted as the largest polluters will likely find a way to
>> legally dodge the agreement. KYOTO WOULDN'T WORK.
laurie wrote--
>You gotta be nuts! It was the US who insisted on those conditions! It
>would have worked if the US had agreed to abide by it. Basically they
>were saying we shouldn't sign it because we put in clauses which would
>make it fail to reach its goals.
yes, that's EXACTLY what i'm saying. i mentioned the u.s. as being
one possible culprit, but pretty much any well-developed nation could
dodge kyoto. why the u.s. never signed on, i'll never know, but
signing on would be dumb. we would be rendering kyoto ineffective all
the while saying we're abiding by it. see? the u.s. signs the kyoto
protocol, dodges it legally and then says we're only following the
tenets as they're written... B/C WE FUCKING WROTE THEM!!! 1+1=2,
remember?
>And I'm not even gonna address your silly argument below. It was a
>first step, and any reductions it made would be preferable to the
>alternative, no Kyoto and *increasing* emissions. Since the US produced
>25% of the world's pollution with something like 1/20th of the world's
>population, this is another example of how the US' arrogance is
>affecting the entire world. Can you see how they might object to our
>behavior?
yeah, a first step. an overly ambitious, ill-conceived,
dreamt-up-by-crackheads first step. it sucks even as a first step.
you can ignore my comments if you like, those are just the tip of the
iceberg.
and again, laurie, have i not yet made it clear to you that i DO NOT
CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS OF AMERICA???
incidentally, *THIS* is how you snip responses. take notes.
=
!squid
Drago
>
>
> the happy squid wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:47:34 -0600, Laurie Hester
> > <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
> > >> Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the
Netherlands.
> > >> I thought that was the USA.
> > >
> > >They are. And The Netherlands has the highest density of people in the
> > >world. They also have a requirement for immigration that you take a
> > >class to learn Dutch and other cultural things.
> >
> > what's open-minded about that??
>
> Because they want to embrace immigrants, not just let them live in
> little isolated ghettos like we do here.
>
that you'd say that we were trying to impress upon them our backwards
imperialistic western values.
As far as "isolated ghettos", I know of lots of people personally that can
shred that argument.
-=john=-
Drago
"the happy squid" <tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote in message
news:45kt7v4ls6224ut6e...@4ax.com...
>> yeah, a first step. an overly ambitious, ill-conceived,
> dreamt-up-by-crackheads first step. it sucks even as a first step.
> you can ignore my comments if you like, those are just the tip of the
> iceberg.
>
You forgot the part about the huge inequality between emissions requirements
for industrialized countries and emissions requirements for "developing"
countries. The US would have had to scramble and spend billions to reduce
emissions, whereas countries like India would have to do relatively little.
Or is that a different treaty?
-=john=-
Mirella
wrote:
>Has the Netherlands always had a very high level of immigration, or do you
>feel that "quality of life" has been decreasing since a big influx in
>immigrants?
There has always been some immigration, but it came in waves. Like the
Hugenoten from France, centuries ago. Also, people from former colonies
live here, like Indonesia (before it was called Indonesia), the
Antilles, and Surinam. People from the Molukken are still waiting here
for their country to be freed. The first people from Spain, Turkey and
Morocco arrived in the sixties for the 'dirty' work. Chinese and Italian
people came to open restaurants or ice cream shops. African and Balkan
war refugees arrived later, and many people from eastern europe, most of
the last ones illegal.
For some 'originally Dutch' people it's a problem, and due to bad policy
ghetto's were created. It's not as bad as the American ones I see on tv,
but I guess that's just a matter of scale. I like the diversity, but
some people see the many immigrants as a problem. It's mainly cultural,
because people have other ways to live (more outside than inside the
house because they are used to better climates) and many don't speak
Dutch yet.
There are problems that need to be solved. Like the collision of
people's morals. The Dutch are known for their tolerance, and some
people from other countries have opposite thoughts, for instance about
homosexuality, women's rights, hygiene, many subjects. There used to be
a low abortion rate, for instance, but it's higher now because our
sexual education doesn't reach everybody who is 'new'. Also, there are
big discussions about if people can wear what they want, even if it's a
expression of their beliefs. Most people here agree that it's not good
for muslim women to hide their faces, and that it's a sign of their
suppression, but on the other hand, there is freedom of expression, and
some women choose it that way because of their beliefs.
Is there a large racial economic stratification? For example,
>are most professionals still Western, and service workers immigrants?
Yes, but it's not that large. Like there are still differences between
male and female wages, there is still a difference between what a
average Dutch person earns and what a immigrant does. We have 'black
schools' (with mainly non Dutch speaking children), so it's very hard to
give the children all a good start in life, so they can get the better
jobs. Also, in the 'ghetto's', there are not that many role models for
good carriers.
>Not making any assumptions, just curious.
Yes, I hope I have explained it a bit. It's always funny to see the
images of the Netherlands in people's minds, and the difference they see
when they visit. Of course, we still have tulips and clogs and windmills
and flowers, but we have all other 'real life' things too. I am colored,
btw: half Dutch/German/Belgian, half from Cabo Verde. That's in Africa,
mixed with some Portuguese blood. I was raised by Dutch parents, so it's
only my skin color and some genes that are 'different'. I did not have
any language or culture problem, growing up.
>> It always reminds me of the line "I am a patriot, and I love my country,
>> because my country, is all I know".
>>
>
>Very true!
Yes, and you can't blame people for not knowing. I hope that one day,
everybody will be able to travel the whole world and make friends
everywhere. Call me a hippie ;)
>-=john=-
groetjes,
Mirella :)
p.s.: there are more Dutch people here, so I changed the subject. Maybe
my fellow countrypeople can add their opinion and facts
--
<http://pearljam.start4all.com> (International)<http://pearljam.startkabel.nl> (Nederlands)
Mirella
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>>It's interesting how ill-educated americans are about other countries,
>>yet they still insist america is better than all of them!
>
>two words- cable modem. a lot of the rest world doesn't have those
>yet.
I'm on cable. The fact that people have internet, should indicate that
they have better resources to educate themselves, not that they have so
little knowledge about other countries.
>and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here. that
>(and lower taxes) form a pretty convincing argument, at least for me.
haha, wanna see my hairy armpits? ;) *
That's one of the most stupid prejudices I know some American's have
about Europe. Did you know, for instance, that the epilady is a Israelic
invention? A Pearl Jam friend told me it was her uncle who invented it.
I never realized Israel was in the US ;). It's closer to Europe, imo.
And the first water toilets in history were in Greece, if I learned that
right.
groetjes,
Mirella :)
* if so, go and look in the trash can, haha
Mirella
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>On 24 Mar 2003 05:26:10 GMT, anis...@aol.communicate (Saerah
>Bennett) wrote:
>
>>> and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here.
>>
>>>!squid
>>
>>oh yeah! our chicks shave their pits! we're #1! we're #1!
>
>american chicks are. yum yum. i LOVE american girls. accept no
>substitutes.
There's not much choice for you, is there? ;p
groetjes,
Mirella :)
Mirella
>> This is just about the Netherlands. I don't know the numbers for the
>> USA, so I can't compare. It's just to tell you there is more 'world'
>> outside the USA.
>>
>
>Well, then it doesn't really tell the whole story then does it?
>Thanks for the info, I thought the world ended at the borders of the
>USA. At least the world that matters. hehe
You're welcome :)
And what matters to me are people of the whole world...
Everybody should be able to see Pearl Jam tour :)
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> laurie wrote--
> >You gotta be nuts! It was the US who insisted on those conditions! It
> >would have worked if the US had agreed to abide by it. Basically they
> >were saying we shouldn't sign it because we put in clauses which would
> >make it fail to reach its goals.
>
> yes, that's EXACTLY what i'm saying. i mentioned the u.s. as being
> one possible culprit, but pretty much any well-developed nation could
> dodge kyoto. why the u.s. never signed on, i'll never know, but
> signing on would be dumb. we would be rendering kyoto ineffective all
> the while saying we're abiding by it. see? the u.s. signs the kyoto
> protocol, dodges it legally and then says we're only following the
> tenets as they're written... B/C WE FUCKING WROTE THEM!!! 1+1=2,
> remember?
What you seem to be saying is that the US didn't sign it because it
wasn't effective enough. That's just total bullshit. Bush didn't sign
it because it would have been effective. Period. Maybe not as
effective as the world would have liked, but you are a fool if you think
Bush refused to sign because it wouldn't have been effective. He didn't
sign it because it would have meant tightening up fuel standards,
something to which he and his oil buddies are vehemently opposed to.
>
> and again, laurie, have i not yet made it clear to you that i DO NOT
> CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS OF AMERICA???
Yes, i get the picture, you're an arrogant Texan who has never been
outside his home area, and yet judges everyone by your pitiful little
standards, just like Bush. I get it. You don't care what the rest of
the world thinks of America and you don't care what anyone thinks of
you. I get it.
Laurie Hester
But John, India doesn't pollute as much as we do; they are a poor
country, don't have as many cars to begin with, and don't have the money
to make their cars more fuel-efficient. The countries such as the US,
who produce 25% of the world's pollution, does have the money, and any
progress *we* make will make a great deal of difference to world
pollution. Holding India to the same standards as the US makes no
sense, because they aren't polluting but a pittance of what we are.
Seems perfectly fair to me, like a graduated income tax. Those who make
the most money pay their share. And those who pollute far beyond their
percentage of world population, should try a little harder to stop.
Simple. Fair.
Laurie Hester
Drago wrote:
>
> "Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3E7E7A00...@rcn.com...
> > Because they want to embrace immigrants, not just let them live in
> > little isolated ghettos like we do here.
> >
> I call bullshit. If America had a similar policy, I'd bet my left kidney
> that you'd say that we were trying to impress upon them our backwards
> imperialistic western values.
Eh? The best thing you can do for an immigrant is to teach them the
language so they can participate in society, rather than rely on their
own native speakers in a ghetto.
>
> As far as "isolated ghettos", I know of lots of people personally that can
> shred that argument.
I'm not sure I know what you mean... Just take LA for example. Where my
office is, used to be a Mexican ghetto, now Vietnamese have moved in.
My sister lives in Diamond Bar; about 70% Korean. My mom lives in
Mission Viejo; white. Santa Ana is about 80% Hispanic. And so on. The
town next to my sister's town is Vietnamese. People just congregate
into little ghettos in LA. Same thing happens in the Bay Area to an
extent, but since there isn't as much space, the pockets are smaller and
more mixed. I used to live in El Cerrito, which was 50% white and about
40% Japanese. Redwood City is mostly Hispanic below the tracks and
white above them.
>
> -=john=-
Laurie Hester
about the rest of the world, just like Bush.
--
Eddie Hill
"the happy squid" <tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote in message
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> On 21 Mar 2003 12:14:11 -0800, jsarn...@hotmail.com (Jeremy Arnold)
> wrote:
>
> >Here's a collection of editorials from around the world on the Iraq
> >War. I think you might need to enable cookies and sit through an ad
> >to read it, but if you're curious about how the rest of the world is
> >covering this war it's worth it. Some interesting viewpoints,
> >especially considering their sources.
>
> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
> of the world thinks of america.
?? you're kidding us, right?
eddie
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>What you seem to be saying is that the US didn't sign it because it
>wasn't effective enough. That's just total bullshit. Bush didn't sign
>it because it would have been effective. Period. Maybe not as
>effective as the world would have liked, but you are a fool if you think
>Bush refused to sign because it wouldn't have been effective. He didn't
>sign it because it would have meant tightening up fuel standards,
>something to which he and his oil buddies are vehemently opposed to.
bush refused to sign it for reasons of his own. i'm glad he didn't
b/c kyoto would not work.
kyoto was drafted in '97, correct? that means clinton had three years
to sign it. why didn't he?
>> and again, laurie, have i not yet made it clear to you that i DO NOT
>> CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS OF AMERICA???
>
>Yes, i get the picture, you're an arrogant Texan who has never been
>outside his home area, and yet judges everyone by your pitiful little
>standards, just like Bush. I get it. You don't care what the rest of
>the world thinks of America and you don't care what anyone thinks of
>you. I get it.
i have left my home area. i doubt i'd ever live anywhere else. texas
is pretty sane. and hey, i'm all for not going out of our way to piss
off other nations, but i'm not losing sleep over the fact that some
don't like us.
=
!squid, who either touched a nerve or somebody is pms'ing...
the happy squid
>>>oh yeah! our chicks shave their pits! we're #1! we're #1!
i read that and heartily agreed--
>>american chicks are. yum yum. i LOVE american girls. accept no
>>substitutes.
mirella read that and smirked--
>There's not much choice for you, is there? ;p
well really, i just have my preference. i've met some russian girls,
norwegian girls, british girls, south african girls, etc, and i just
prefer americans. they're tops!
the happy squid
>I'm on cable. The fact that people have internet, should indicate that
>they have better resources to educate themselves, not that they have so
>little knowledge about other countries.
i said "a lot", not all.
>>and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here. that
>>(and lower taxes) form a pretty convincing argument, at least for me.
>
>haha, wanna see my hairy armpits? ;) *
it's more of a funny jab, certainly not true of a lot of people.
the happy squid
<eddieg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
>> of the world thinks of america.
>
>?? you're kidding us, right?
no, i'm pretty serious.
Eddie Hill
"JE" <jodye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mirella <mire...@chello.nl> wrote in message > The best country in the
world is the Netherlands, but I won't fight over
> > that ;). That's childish, and you can't compare.
> >
> > groetjes,
> > Mirella :)
>
>
> Didn't know people were beating down the door to live in the Netherlands.
> I thought that was the USA.
more people are trying to get into western europe than america.
(aside from mexicans, of course)
eddie
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:23:52 -0600, Laurie Hester
> <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
> >What you seem to be saying is that the US didn't sign it because it
> >wasn't effective enough. That's just total bullshit. Bush didn't sign
> >it because it would have been effective. Period. Maybe not as
> >effective as the world would have liked, but you are a fool if you think
> >Bush refused to sign because it wouldn't have been effective. He didn't
> >sign it because it would have meant tightening up fuel standards,
> >something to which he and his oil buddies are vehemently opposed to.
>
> bush refused to sign it for reasons of his own. i'm glad he didn't
> b/c kyoto would not work.
>
> kyoto was drafted in '97, correct? that means clinton had three years
> to sign it. why didn't he?
He did sign it. It then had to be ratified by the Senate, and Bush
withdrew it from consideration.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1248278.stm
>
> >> and again, laurie, have i not yet made it clear to you that i DO NOT
> >> CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS OF AMERICA???
> >
> >Yes, i get the picture, you're an arrogant Texan who has never been
> >outside his home area, and yet judges everyone by your pitiful little
> >standards, just like Bush. I get it. You don't care what the rest of
> >the world thinks of America and you don't care what anyone thinks of
> >you. I get it.
>
> i have left my home area. i doubt i'd ever live anywhere else. texas
> is pretty sane. and hey, i'm all for not going out of our way to piss
> off other nations, but i'm not losing sleep over the fact that some
> don't like us.
> =
> !squid, who either touched a nerve or somebody is pms'ing...
Right. And it has nothing to do with the fact that you *yelled* at me
above... what a cowardly thing to say... but what do I expect from a
Texan?
Laurie Hester
the happy squid wrote:
>
> holly wrote--
> >>>oh yeah! our chicks shave their pits! we're #1! we're #1!
>
> i read that and heartily agreed--
> >>american chicks are. yum yum. i LOVE american girls. accept no
> >>substitutes.
>
> mirella read that and smirked--
> >There's not much choice for you, is there? ;p
>
> well really, i just have my preference. i've met some russian girls,
> norwegian girls, british girls, south african girls, etc, and i just
> prefer americans. they're tops!
> =
> !squid
It's a little different meeting people from other countries *outside*
your dreams, though...
>
> http://www.blissnet.org
> bliss
>
> http://www.blissnet.org/ampj
> AMP-J Online (i'm always looking for more pics)
--
Eddie Hill
another 100 threads...
was there anything worth reading from when i was gone?
"the happy squid" <tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote in message
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> >
> kyoto is full of shit. i for one hope america NEVER agrees to it. if
> i were president, i'd do more than blow it off, i'd piss all over it
> and sell tickets.
>
> !squid
Vin
>
>was there anything worth reading from when i was gone?
no. where'd you go anyways
Carl
>
>was there anything worth reading from when i was gone?
no. where'd you go anyways>>>
awww how cute. He missed you eddie.
--
CjS
"To announce that there must be NO criticism of the President, or that we are
to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public" Theodore Roosevelt
::SIGH::
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
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> >another 100 threads...
> >
> >was there anything worth reading from when i was gone?
>
> no. where'd you go anyways
>
i had a dr appointment friday morning and the direct tv guy was supposed to
come friday. (i scheduled saturday but they got it all hosed up) so i just
said screw it and took the day off. it was a good day to take off though.
it was great outside.
the doctor more or less said they can't do anything for my neck, and i'll
just have to learn to manage the pain for a while. eventually when i'm old
they'll have to cut into my spine. fun. so now if i ever get laid off i
wont' be able to afford pain medicine. i went w/o it for a few weeks in
october and about lost my mind. i'd seriously kill myself after a few weeks
of that, it's just not worth it. so hopefully W keeps the demand for war
products high so i'll have a job and won't have to off myself.
how's that for cheer?
eddie
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> kyoto was drafted in '97, correct? that means clinton had three years
>> to sign it. why didn't he?
>
>He did sign it. It then had to be ratified by the Senate, and Bush
>withdrew it from consideration.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1248278.stm
ah! bush backed out. good job! i still don't like the guy, but hey
this ain't bad...
>Right. And it has nothing to do with the fact that you *yelled* at me
>above... what a cowardly thing to say... but what do I expect from a
>Texan?
i yelled at you? I TYPED LIKE THIS TO GET MY MESSAGE ACROSS AS
**NOTHING** ELSE SEEMED TO WORK. interpret it how you want. i find
it funny tho that somebody who doesn't bother to snip her posts is
going to give me a lecture on netiquette.
and cowardly? what did i do (or say) that was cowardly?
but then i should've expected all this from an enlightened
californian.
=
!squid, who's just not enlightened enough apparently...
the happy squid
<laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> well really, i just have my preference. i've met some russian girls,
>> norwegian girls, british girls, south african girls, etc, and i just
>> prefer americans. they're tops!
>> =
>> !squid
>
>It's a little different meeting people from other countries *outside*
>your dreams, though...
huh? i've had classes w/ these girls and in general just meet them at
places.
oh wait, i'm in texas and i guess nobody ever comes here except texas,
right?
have you even been here?
and is it possible to have a post consisting of almost nothing but
questions?
=
?squid
Vin
>come friday. (i scheduled saturday but they got it all hosed up) so i just
>said screw it and took the day off. it was a good day to take off though.
>it was great outside.
>
>the doctor more or less said they can't do anything for my neck, and i'll
>just have to learn to manage the pain for a while. eventually when i'm old
>they'll have to cut into my spine. fun. so now if i ever get laid off i
>wont' be able to afford pain medicine. i went w/o it for a few weeks in
>october and about lost my mind. i'd seriously kill myself after a few weeks
>of that, it's just not worth it. so hopefully W keeps the demand for war
>products high so i'll have a job and won't have to off myself.
>
>how's that for cheer?
why not get surgery now? get it over with.
Vin
>>> norwegian girls, british girls, south african girls, etc, and i just
>>> prefer americans. they're tops!
>>> =
>>> !squid
>>
>>It's a little different meeting people from other countries *outside*
>>your dreams, though...
>
>huh? i've had classes w/ these girls and in general just meet them at
>places.
>
>oh wait, i'm in texas and i guess nobody ever comes here except texas,
>right?
>
>have you even been here?
>
>and is it possible to have a post consisting of almost nothing but
>questions?
why in gods name would anyone migrate TO texas in this day and age.
it strikes me as kind of strange that some school in texas would
have such a broad ethnic diversity of foreigners..
Eddie Hill
"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
news:20030324145446...@mb-ca.aol.com...
> <<<>another 100 threads...
> >
> >was there anything worth reading from when i was gone?
>
> no. where'd you go anyways>>>
>
> awww how cute. He missed you eddie.
he was w/o guidance.
eddie
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
because the surgery generally doesn't fix it forever. it works for a while,
then sucks again. and i'm so young they want to bide time.
right now i have two bulging disks and a couple of bone spurs. those aren't
in contact w/ the nerve yet. if they were it'd mean surgery. the problem
is that the area is becoming inflamed because of the disks and, so a lesser
degree, the spurs. so i just have to manage that inflamation. i have
medicine and excercises to keep the muscles loose. (they try to contract to
protect the injury, which only makes things worse)
it's a pain in the neck. (hehe)
eddie
Mirella
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:40:25 -0600, Laurie Hester
><laurie...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>> kyoto was drafted in '97, correct? that means clinton had three years
>>> to sign it. why didn't he?
>>
>>He did sign it. It then had to be ratified by the Senate, and Bush
>>withdrew it from consideration.
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1248278.stm
>
>ah! bush backed out. good job! i still don't like the guy, but hey
>this ain't bad...
I prefer to have a better environment in the world, Bush chose for his
own short term economy. I think his choice sucks, if you are already one
of the world's biggest owner and biggest polluter. It's like rich people
who would not donate a small amount of money to their church, while the
poor neighbours give all they can afford. If you are in a position to be
a good example, to really make a difference for the world, why would not
you?
groetjes,
Mirella :)
Mirella
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:02:16 GMT, Mirella <mire...@chello.nl> wrote:
>>I'm on cable. The fact that people have internet, should indicate that
>>they have better resources to educate themselves, not that they have so
>>little knowledge about other countries.
>
>i said "a lot", not all.
>
>>>and besides, women shave their legs and arm pits here. that
>>>(and lower taxes) form a pretty convincing argument, at least for me.
>>
>>haha, wanna see my hairy armpits? ;) *
>
>it's more of a funny jab, certainly not true of a lot of people.
It's really not funny reading it for the zillion'th time, believe me :)
groetjes
Carl
>
> awww how cute. He missed you eddie.
he was w/o guidance.>>>
HA.
the happy squid
>why in gods name would anyone migrate TO texas in this day and age.
it's a good thing that the well-being of this planet doesn't depend
just on things that make sense to you.
and this is rich, a canadian is calling MY home a dump. oh, the
irony...
>it strikes me as kind of strange that some school in texas would
>have such a broad ethnic diversity of foreigners..
yeah, and just think; compaq's GLOBAL headquarters (not state, not
national, GLOBAL) headquarters was right up the road from where i
live. in fact, i hear that hp is seriously considering relocating to
the compaq facility as they can employ three people here in texas for
what it costs to employ one person in cali.
=
!squid
the happy squid
>It's really not funny reading it for the zillion'th time, believe me :)
well, it's probably the first time i've brought it up on this ng. so
i guess if you don't like it, use your killfile.
Vin
>irony...
i've been to your country, have you been to mine? have you even
been out of your state? or more than one state over? don't lie.
and since you're so fond of calling canada a dump, for god knows
what reason (however i must congratulate you on fitting the
ignorant american stereotype perfectly), today, i've decided to
humour you:
http://www.english-vancouver.com/canada-human-development/
guess what champ, according to the UN, Canada is the best country
in the world to live in, canada has the best educated populous,
the highest standard of living, and the highest literacy rate in the
world. also in the overall quality of life dept, three canadian cities
make up the top ten. the highest ranking canadian city, vanouver (#1),
the higest ranking american city, honolulu, #19. amazingly, houston
made the list at #39, although of the six lists I found, this is the
-only- one that included a texas city. i thought i'd give ya -something-.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/04/world.cities/
>yeah, and just think; compaq's GLOBAL headquarters (not state, not
>national, GLOBAL) headquarters was right up the road from where i
>live. in fact, i hear that hp is seriously considering relocating to
>the compaq facility as they can employ three people here in texas for
>what it costs to employ one person in cali.
right, but why would any foreigner move to texas to go to school?
if you're any indication of the average texan, it must be a cultural
cesspool. i highly doubt that your school has people from europe coming
to study en masse (thats french, whitebread). what would attract someone
to that area over the east or west coast? have you ever even met a
foreigner before?
stop lying.
Carl
been out of your state? or more than one state over? don't lie.
and since you're so fond of calling canada a dump, for god knows
what reason (however i must congratulate you on fitting the
ignorant american stereotype perfectly), today, i've decided to
humour you:>>>
Despite all my joking i am actualyl debating movign to Canada. Either
Vancouver or Toronto...
--
CjS
::SIGH::
Vin
if you're serious, you should really consider montreal, its a no-brainer.
honestly, i would never live in toronto. i'd live in vancouver just
because of the rockies. but overall, montreal is literally half as
expensive as toronto or vancouver, you do -not- have to speak or know a
word of french either. more beautiful women per capita than any other
city in north america. it's not too big, not too small, cozy, its got
charm, lots and lots to do, great food, 45 minutes from the new york
and vermont borders..
i can't imagine why anyone would want to move to toronto.
John Ellis
news:hmun7vc2dra12hh2c...@4ax.com...
> i'm still struggling w/ why i should give a fuck about what the rest
> of the world thinks of america.
Shouldn't you be in the Oval Office, Mr. President, not posting on ampj?
the happy squid
>right, but why would any foreigner move to texas to go to school?
yep, scroll down.
>if you're any indication of the average texan, it must be a cultural
>cesspool. i highly doubt that your school has people from europe coming
>to study en masse (thats french, whitebread).
well there's really nothing i can do to disprove that beyond listing
my own experiences meeting foreigners... and again, scroll down.
>what would attract someone
>to that area over the east or west coast? have you ever even met a
>foreigner before?
>
>stop lying.
yes, i've met foreigners from all over the place. mexico, south
africa (hell i used to work for a group of them), the middle east
(pakistan, saudi arabia, others and these were AT SCHOOL), france,
england, poland, ireland, germany, australia, japan, africa, scotland,
russia, canada (if you can even call that "foreign"), norway and
that's all that comes to mind off hand.
who would lie about meeting foreigners?
Carl
honestly, i would never live in toronto. i'd live in vancouver just because of
the rockies. but overall, montreal is literally half as expensive as toronto or
vancouver, you do -not- have to speak or know a word of french either. more
beautiful women per capita than any other city in north america. it's not too
big, not too small, cozy, its got charm, lots and lots to do, great food, 45
minutes from the new york and vermont borders.. i can't imagine why anyone
would want to move to toronto.>>>
I was talking to steph about this and she said it's natural rivalry for
montreal'ers to dis Toronto... but that it's alright. She said it's a huge
city that in her opinion is trying to be American, but I already live in a big
American city so it sort of defeats the purpose. I thought about Montreal
since the music there is infinitely better than Vancouver (yes sadly that is an
important factor to me), but i have always wanted to live in a place with mild
winters and supposedly Vanocuver has this. It's still a year away i need to
save some money before moving, had i not lost my job back in december i would
have considered it this year but now i need to save up again so it will be
awhile.
--
CjS
::SIGH::
karen
"John Ellis" <john.m...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
>
> right, but why would any foreigner move to texas to go to school?
most of their immigrants are from mexico. texas, for all its faults, is at
least part of a first world nation. mexico is not.
> if you're any indication of the average texan, it must be a cultural
> cesspool. i highly doubt that your school has people from europe coming
> to study en masse (thats french, whitebread). what would attract someone
> to that area over the east or west coast? have you ever even met a
> foreigner before?
>
> stop lying.
he's got you there, squido.
eddie
Vin
>montreal'ers to dis Toronto... but that it's alright. She said it's a huge
>city that in her opinion is trying to be American, but I already live in a big
>American city so it sort of defeats the purpose.
yes, thats why i told you to scrap toronto, if you're trying to get away
from america, why move to the most 'american' canadian city. its big,
its boring, downtown toronto has no life, its like one big financial
district, etc.. toronto has nothing that montreal doesn't have, and
montreal has an awful lot toronto doesnt have. if you want stale big
city life, go there.
>since the music there is infinitely better than Vancouver (yes sadly that is
an>important factor to me), but i have always wanted to live in a place with
mild>winters and supposedly Vanocuver has this. It's still a year away i need
to>save some money before moving, had i not lost my job back in december i
would>have considered ithis year but now i need to save up again so it will be
>awhile.
if you want mild winters or you're into outdoor activity, vancouver is the
place to be, but you better like rain, because it rains A LOT. decide
between toronto and vancouver, forget about toronto. don't forget, a
decent downtown one bedroom apt in vancouver will cost you $1000-$1200
CDN/month canadian, which will cost you $500-600CDN/month in montreal.
montreal has the cheapest rent of any other comparable city in north america.
also winters in montreal aren't that bad, its cold for two months, jan
and feb. and if you live downtown you don't have to go outside if you
don't want to, most of downtown is connected through underground tunnels
and subways, you can go to work, see a movie, go out for lunch, go shopping,
go to the gym, go grocery shopping and go home and never actually walk
outside other than walking from your apt to the subway. some apt buildings
are actually connected to the subway access points.
i would suggest visiting all three cities
>--
>CjS
>::SIGH::
Laurie Hester
I dunno, Carl... are you of draft age? WWIII is about to start, maybe
you should go now... :)
Vin
>africa (hell i used to work for a group of them), the middle east
>(pakistan, saudi arabia, others and these were AT SCHOOL), france,
>england, poland, ireland, germany, australia, japan, africa, scotland,
>russia, canada (if you can even call that "foreign"), norway and
>that's all that comes to mind off hand.
liar!
why didn't you reply to the first part of my post eh?
Vin
>place to be, but you better like rain, because it rains A LOT. decide
>between toronto and vancouver, forget about toronto.
er, replace that first toronto with montreal.
the happy squid
<tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org> wrote:
>mexico, south
>africa (hell i used to work for a group of them), the middle east
>(pakistan, saudi arabia, others and these were AT SCHOOL), france,
>england, poland, ireland, germany, australia, japan, africa, scotland,
>russia, canada (if you can even call that "foreign"), norway and
>that's all that comes to mind off hand.
also greece, spain, ethiopia, sweden, el salvador (i don't know how i
forgot about this one as i've known this lady since i was 10) and
france.
the happy squid
here goes--
>i've been to your country, have you been to mine?
in all fairness, no i've not, but the people i've met from your
country have all been pricks. to be fair, tho, those are a minority
among a much larger country. but then, a lot of the canadians i've
encountered online are pricks too. wanna guess where you fit into
that?
>have you even
>been out of your state? or more than one state over? don't lie.
yes i have. no lie.
>and since you're so fond of calling canada a dump, for god knows
>what reason (however i must congratulate you on fitting the
>ignorant american stereotype perfectly), today, i've decided to
>humour you:
>
>http://www.english-vancouver.com/canada-human-development/
>
>guess what champ, according to the UN, Canada is the best country
>in the world to live in, canada has the best educated populous,
>the highest standard of living, and the highest literacy rate in the
>world. also in the overall quality of life dept, three canadian cities
>make up the top ten. the highest ranking canadian city, vanouver (#1),
>the higest ranking american city, honolulu, #19. amazingly, houston
>made the list at #39, although of the six lists I found, this is the
>-only- one that included a texas city. i thought i'd give ya -something-.
it's no secret that america's educational program is screwed up.
besides, every country in the world (aside from america) claims to be
the best place to live in the world. i've heard that argument about
switzerland, amsterdam, tons of other places.
happy?
Vin
>in all fairness, no i've not, but the people i've met from your
>country have all been pricks. to be fair, tho, those are a minority
>among a much larger country. but then, a lot of the canadians i've
>encountered online are pricks too. wanna guess where you fit into
>that?
funkymonk, geoff, ji-nay, brian aka zod, etc.. real pricks eh?
>>have you even
>>been out of your state? or more than one state over? don't lie.
>yes i have. no lie.
two states over?
>it's no secret that america's educational program is screwed up.
>besides, every country in the world (aside from america) claims to be
>the best place to live in the world. i've heard that argument about
>switzerland, amsterdam, tons of other places.
>
>happy?
this isn't a claim dunce, this wasn't some canadian sponsored study,
it was done by the UN. show me your cards.
Drago
"Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:3E7F28E1...@rcn.com...
>
> I'm not sure I know what you mean... Just take LA for example. Where my
> office is, used to be a Mexican ghetto, now Vietnamese have moved in.
> My sister lives in Diamond Bar; about 70% Korean. My mom lives in
> Mission Viejo; white. Santa Ana is about 80% Hispanic. And so on. The
> town next to my sister's town is Vietnamese. People just congregate
> into little ghettos in LA. Same thing happens in the Bay Area to an
> extent, but since there isn't as much space, the pockets are smaller and
> more mixed. I used to live in El Cerrito, which was 50% white and about
> 40% Japanese. Redwood City is mostly Hispanic below the tracks and
> white above them.
OK, I think we're defining "ghetto" differently. I always think of either
a) the forced ghettoes in places like Nazi Poland or b) a really shitty
neighborhood that is usually, but not always, minorities, and is very
depressed with a large burden to overcome to break the poverty cycle.
Your definition appears to be places where one ethnic group comes together
to form their own "cultural neighborhood", which I don't see as a bad thing,
mecessarily. "Chinatowns" provide for a good launching pad for new
immigrants who don't speak much English or have a difficult time
transferring their job skills. If you look back over the history of the US,
most European immigrants between 1870 and 1930 lived in ethnically
segregated neighborhoods.
-=john=-
the happy squid
>funkymonk,
don't know much about him.
>geoff
don't know much about him. he seems cool tho.
>ji-nay
she rocks!
>brian aka zod
i think he's the shit and he knows that.
>etc.. real pricks eh?
nope... but what makes you think i was talking about the canadians on
amp-j??? i said "the canadians i've encountered online". i do other
things on the net besides hang out on amp-j.
>>>have you even
>>>been out of your state? or more than one state over? don't lie.
>>yes i have. no lie.
>
>two states over?
keep goin'.
>>it's no secret that america's educational program is screwed up.
>>besides, every country in the world (aside from america) claims to be
>>the best place to live in the world. i've heard that argument about
>>switzerland, amsterdam, tons of other places.
>>
>>happy?
>
>this isn't a claim dunce, this wasn't some canadian sponsored study,
>it was done by the UN. show me your cards.
what cards? the u.s. educational system (before college, at least)
pretty much sucks. i'm not resisting you on this, i'm saying that a
*LOT* of people say that. you may be right. it doesn't matter enough
to me to find out. i guess i'd look into it if i cared.
Vin
tr...@NOGODDAMNSPAMblissnet.org says...
oh look at squid, concentrating on one tiny part of the topic
and ignoring the rest, is he playing stupid or just plain stupid?
you said, canada is a dump, and texas is great. i gave you links
showing you UN quality of life analysis of 175 countries in this world
and canada ranks first. also gave you links ranking cities for
quality of life/standard of living, and a canadian city ranks first
with two others in the top ten. the only texan city ranked 39th.
education is only one of -several- factors.
so show me your cards, show me what make texas so great and canada
so shitty. after all, you're the one that loves to diss other peoples
countries, you should have all of this stuff at your fingertips.
Laurie Hester
You're right about my definition of "ghetto" being different. I think
that while it's nice for a new immigrant to have people around who speak
their language, it doesn't help them to integrate. I think they're
better off if they get free language lessons and can quickly adapt to
the country.
Carl
I plan on it. It would be silly to move somewhere site unseen unless you knew
someone or their were other circumstances.
--
CjS
::SIGH::
Carl
you should go now... :)>>>
I am 25 so id be at the tale end of draft age heh heh.
--
CjS
::SIGH::
the happy squid
<eddieg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> if you're any indication of the average texan, it must be a cultural
>> cesspool. i highly doubt that your school has people from europe coming
>> to study en masse (thats french, whitebread). what would attract someone
>> to that area over the east or west coast? have you ever even met a
>> foreigner before?
>>
>> stop lying.
>
>he's got you there, squido.
what exactly does he have me on?? a lower cost of living, good
schools, pretty solid economy for it jobs, there's a lot to like about
this place.
Vin
>>> cesspool. i highly doubt that your school has people from europe coming
>>> to study en masse (thats french, whitebread). what would attract someone
>>> to that area over the east or west coast? have you ever even met a
>>> foreigner before?
>>>
>>> stop lying.
>>
>>he's got you there, squido.
>
>what exactly does he have me on?? a lower cost of living, good
>schools, pretty solid economy for it jobs, there's a lot to like about
>this place.
pollution, crime, cost of living, STANDARD of living and quality of life,
education, health care, weather, life expectancy, etc..
why don't you just admit that canada doesn't suck, in fact very far
from it, as i've shown, between texas and canada, if one has to suck,
its texas by a landslide. and you should really work on not being such
a stereotypical american, its not something to be proud of. and despite
what you think, its far from 'cool'.