Did the French ever fight well?
10 degrees of fire....
suck so bad at war?
10 is blazin hot........................
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Drago
War...
>
top..........quid pro quo, and now we're even.
-=john=-
DB Coop
>Without the help of the French, we would have lost the Revolutionary War...
A lesson that I still remember from 8th grade history. Our teacher
taught us that the French gave us three things in the R. War:
Money
Men
Ships
And sure many people make fun of the French for the non-war stance
and the fact that we went there in WW2, but we were paying them back
for the R. war in many ways.
But I have to admit that I don't get where they are coming from
today......
Brian (aka Zod)
they did a pretty good job at blockading british supplies and stuff.
- Brian
Brian (aka Zod)
war.. everyone else had already been fighting for 3 years before you decided
to drag your asses into it..... how many lives do you think might of been
saved if America hadn't waited so long... by the time the US got in.. the
allies were hurtin pretty bad.. but the Nazi's wern't at full strength anymore
either. It was kind of a 3 year mop up job.. (albeit lots of dead people).
I just think there would have been alot less deaths, if the US hadn't waited so
long to go in.. then they proclaim themselves the saviours of the war.. it bugs
me..
- Brian
Mirella
<yledb...@REMOVEadelphia.net> wrote:
>oh yeah and....what the hell prompted the original post?
Anti France propaganda? It's weird, ever since Bush wants to start this
ridiculous war, I suddenly see American people writing anti-France
things.
I received this one yesterday (pro France) and I thought it was funny:
"In light of the current international situation we'd like to call upon
everyone to make the 3rd of March 'Order FRENCH fries day!'
Actiongroups will gather all around the world at the local MacDonalds to
order large amounts of FRENCH fries.
Everyone should wear frie colored clothes and bring mustard. The words
'Iraq' and 'Bush' should specifically not be mentioned in the process.
We'll be completely silent, except every now and then we'll order FRENCH
fries.
3rd of March: Order FRENCH fries day!!! Bring all your friends to the
local Macdonalds!
Pass the message on!"
and here are some more related things:
http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,651594,00.html
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,796739,00.html
groetjes,
Mirella :)
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Mirella
wrote:
>oh not the world war II thing again.. you guys had a huge advantage in that
>war.. everyone else had already been fighting for 3 years before you decided
>to drag your asses into it..... how many lives do you think might of been
>saved if America hadn't waited so long... by the time the US got in.. the
>allies were hurtin pretty bad.. but the Nazi's wern't at full strength anymore
>either. It was kind of a 3 year mop up job.. (albeit lots of dead people).
>
>I just think there would have been alot less deaths, if the US hadn't waited so
>long to go in.. then they proclaim themselves the saviours of the war.. it bugs
>me..
Better late than never...
But still, in the Netherlands there was a terrible hunger winter, early
1945, that could have been prevented, maybe, saving thousands of lives
(mostly children and old people, who were the weakest). We were
'liberated' on the 5th of May 1945. That's why that's our liberation day
each year.
Also, there were many people involved in this war. Don't forget the
Russian, British, Polish, and Canadian soldiers, for instance, and the
people from the European countries and the colonies in Asia.
Chuck A
> It seems that the FRench always got their butts beat in history.....why do they
> suck so bad at war?
>
>
>
> 10 is blazin hot........................
The Complete Military History of France
* Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000
years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an
Italian.
* Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female
schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French
Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a
Frenchman."
* Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to
ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
* Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
* Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but
manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that
eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
* War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots
as chapeaux.
* The Dutch War - Tied
* War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded
Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French
military power.
* War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French
their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
* American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win even though the English
colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle
Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France
only wins when America does most of the fighting."
* French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent
was also French.
* The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match
for a British footwear designer.
* The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany plays the role of drunk Frat
boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
* World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the
United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to
not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
* World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States
and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
* War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed
with the Dien Bien Flu
* Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western
army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the
First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This
rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians,
Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
* War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history,
surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to
surrender to Vietnamese ambassador, fail after he takes refuge in a
McDonald's. The question for any country silly enough to count on the
French should not be "Can we count on the French?" but rather "How
long until France collapses?"
Keep asking yourself, is this really 100% satire?
--C
Eddie Hill
and if the english hadn't had to deal w/ france at the same time, they would
have crushed us during the war of 1812.
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Eddie Hill
france conquered europe in the 1800s.
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Eddie Hill
trolls
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quid pro quo, we let that happen and didn't get involved until japan
attacked us. (in fact, up until then the bush family was in financial deals
w/ the german government.)
eddie
> -=john=-
>
>
>
FunkyMonk
> It seems that the FRench always got their butts beat in
> history.....why do they suck so bad at war?
>
>
>
> 10 is blazin hot........................
Napoleon dude! The french were good in the beginning of the 19th century.
But after that, Germany kicked their asses several times.
-Dave
FunkyMonk
news:8098f1dc.03022...@posting.google.com:
A lot of information is not true, verify your sources! Napoleon
Conquered the whole fucking europe !!! I don't know but it doesn't
appear like a lost to me. You're the kinda guy that believes USA won in
Vietnam. Plus, no american independance without the French.
-Dave
Leanmc360
>
>It seems that the FRench always got their butts beat in history.....why do
>they
>suck so bad at war?
100,000 Frenchmen died fighting Hitler before the USA got into the war. What
war did *you* fight in?
Sundiff
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> oh not the world war II thing again.. you guys had a huge advantage in
that
> war.. everyone else had already been fighting for 3 years before you
decided
> to drag your asses into it..... how many lives do you think might of been
> saved if America hadn't waited so long... by the time the US got in.. the
> allies were hurtin pretty bad.. but the Nazi's wern't at full strength
anymore
> either. It was kind of a 3 year mop up job.. (albeit lots of dead
people).
>
> I just think there would have been alot less deaths, if the US hadn't
waited so
> long to go in.. then they proclaim themselves the saviours of the war.. it
bugs
> me..
>
> - Brian
You're obviously French. Next time you're enjoying your freedom, don't
forget where it came from you ungrateful cheese eating, smelly sonofabitch.
That would be the USA in case you forgot you pompus bastard.
Sundiff
Paving Moratorium
beating that is a war in this age?
Melissa
> You're obviously French. Next time you're enjoying your freedom, don't
> forget where it came from you ungrateful cheese eating, smelly
sonofabitch.
> That would be the USA in case you forgot you pompus bastard.
Actually, Brian's Canadian. I don't think he really eats large quantities of
cheese, but I guess only he can answer that.
--Melissa
Drago
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And if you'd READ the THREAD, you'd see that the Americans owe theirs (at
least partially) to the French, just as the French owe theirs (partially) to
the Americans. See, that's called a "give and take relationship", something
American foreign policy is seriously lacking right now....
-=john=-
Drago
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I always hear that, yet have never seen substantive proof.
-=john=-
Leanmc360
Most US corporations/financial interests did deals with Hitler up until the USA
got into WWII. Considering the wealth and stature of the Bush family at that
time, it would have been almost shocking if they hadn't had some kinds of
dealings with the Nazis. Many big businessmen thought highly of Hitler and I'm
not aware of any who refused to do business with him. Hell, Dick Cheney's
company did deals with Saddam fucking Hussein in 1998.
For multiple, overlapping accounts (of varying reliability) of what the Bush
family was up to during this time, just do a google search on "Prescott Bush
and Germany" (or Hitler, Nazis, whatever). I'm not trying to defend the Bushes,
but do keep in mind that they weren't the only ones to break bread with the
Nazis.
Eddie Hill
>
>
> You're obviously French. Next time you're enjoying your freedom, don't
> forget where it came from you ungrateful cheese eating, smelly
sonofabitch.
> That would be the USA in case you forgot you pompus bastard.
>
>
this is an example of my fellow countrymen. *sigh*
eddie
DV
Bitch and moan the US gets involved too soon with other countries and now
you are bitching and moaning we got in too late in WWI and WWII. Give me a
break.
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Sundiff
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> Maybe the French are too fucking smart to engage in the ape-like chest
> beating that is a war in this age?
I doubt that.
Mirella
wrote:
>Now the US waits too long to get involved in a war. You guys are great.
>Bitch and moan the US gets involved too soon with other countries and now
>you are bitching and moaning we got in too late in WWI and WWII. Give me a
>break.
haha, I think this reply in itself is very funny, in a way :)
Don't forget to compare the circumstances: starting a war or getting
involved in one, are two different things.
groetjes
Matsmaniac
> Maybe the French are too fucking smart to engage in the ape-like chest
> beating that is a war in this age?
Or perhaps they have other *interests* that have nothing to do with
what you wrote...
Matsmaniac
> 100,000 Frenchmen died fighting Hitler before the USA got into the war. What
> war did *you* fight in?
If the prerequisite to commenting on history is actually fighting in a
war, then a lot of people need to shut the hell up.
Leanmc360
There's a big difference in commenting on history and talking shit.
Drago
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True......though I find Cheney dealign with Saddam in 98 more egregious than
the Bushes dealing with Hitler in 38.
-=john=-
On2Legs
Bitch and moan the US gets involved too soon with other countries and now
you are bitching and moaning we got in too late in WWI and WWII. Give me a
Dude..... don't bother... you're arguing with people that will criticize the
US no matter what they do... it's cool right now to bash the United
States... so let them have their fun... sooner or later they will need us to
bail them out of a jam and they'll come crawling back...
Mirella
haha, what are you? A speach writer for Bush? ;)
groetjes,
Eddie Hill
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what if we're making the jam?
why do you think the US is infallible?
eddie
>
Matsmaniac
> There's a big difference in commenting on history and talking shit.
Yep, and there's a lot of that going on in both sides of this argument.
Eddie Hill
"Bàidh Stidean" <ivan...@cordoba.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:02:29 GMT, "Eddie Hill"
> <eddieg...@yahoo.com> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
> So were a lot of people. It wasn't politically expedient for us to
> enter the war at the start, nor were we prepared. The vast majority
> of Americans were against *any* involvement in Europe until after
> Pearl Harbor. Even Lend-Lease had to be done on the QT to keep the
> masses at home from getting too suspicious as to what we were really
> doing.
righto. but we didn't do it out of the niceness of our heart and to save
hte french like the conservatives have been saying
eddie
Eddie Hill
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:59:30 GMT, "Eddie Hill"> >france conquered europe in the 1800s.
>
> Not completely. Napoleon got his ass kicked by a coalition force at
> Waterloo, then he made the blunder of trying to fight Russians in a
> Russian winter.
>
>
the russian invasion was 1812. waterloo was 1815. russia's what broke him.
but he had europe conquered until he did that. at one point russia was more
or less an ally.
eddie
Leanmc360
It depends on what you mean by "this arguement". If what you mean is "the
french suck, they can't fight" then that isn't what I'd call an arguement or a
historical commentary. Its just shit-talking.
Eddie Hill
> On 26 Feb 2003 04:39:02 GMT, lean...@aol.com (Leanmc360) scribbled
> on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >For multiple, overlapping accounts (of varying reliability) of what the
Bush
> >family was up to during this time, just do a google search on "Prescott
Bush
> >and Germany" (or Hitler, Nazis, whatever). I'm not trying to defend the
Bushes,
> >but do keep in mind that they weren't the only ones to break bread with
the
> >Nazis.
>
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html
Sundiff
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:34:29 GMT, "Eddie Hill" <eddi...@hotpop.com>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >
> World War II would have been much different had we not entered.
> However, the manner in which he puts it across just smacks of the
> "Ugly American" behaviour that makes me cringe.
We Americans take a lot of shit from the French in general. It is widely
known that there isn't much love or respect for us from Frenchie. I guess
they (in general) can dish it out, but can't take it. I think we get so much
hatred from them because they owe the US for their freedom. They'd be
speaking German right now if not for the efforts of American soldiers.
Eddie Hill
and we'd be speaking... well.. .english. but w/ a lot of extra u's.
eddie
>
>
Sundiff
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Except Frenchie didn't help the US during the Revolutionary War because they
loved us & shit, it was because they hated the English & would've fought
with anyone against them. So, with that in mind, we helped & bailed them out
again. During WWII, we didn't need their sorry asses to defeat the axis. The
US & the English did just fine without their overtaken asses.
Leanmc360
>Date: 2/27/2003 8:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <b3mad8$1o4o3h$1...@ID-158462.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
>"Eddie Hill" <eddi...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Sundiff" <cahg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b3m4c9$1oa0c7$1...@ID-158462.news.dfncis.de...
<snip>
>> >
>> > We Americans take a lot of shit from the French in general. It is widely
>> > known that there isn't much love or respect for us from Frenchie. I
>guess
>> > they (in general) can dish it out, but can't take it. I think we get so
>> much
>> > hatred from them because they owe the US for their freedom. They'd be
>> > speaking German right now if not for the efforts of American soldiers.
>> >
>>
>> and we'd be speaking... well.. .english. but w/ a lot of extra u's.
>>
>> eddie
>
>
>Except Frenchie didn't help the US during the Revolutionary War because they
>loved us & shit, it was because they hated the English & would've fought
>with anyone against them. So, with that in mind, we helped & bailed them out
>again. During WWII, we didn't need their sorry asses to defeat the axis. The
>US & the English did just fine without their overtaken asses.
Actually, we *didn't* fight WWII because we felt a debt to France for their
help in the Revolutionary War. We fought WWII because the Japanese and the
Germans declared war on the USA. And there are many US soldiers who owed their
lives to the brave efforts of the French Resistance, so watch out with the
arm-chair generaling. Plenty of Frenchmen died fighting Hitler too so fuck you
if you want to dishonor *their* sacrifices just because you are frustrated with
the diplomatic efforts of *today's* French Government.
Sundiff
Nowhere in my post does it say anything about fighting in WWII as a debt to
France.
> And there are many US soldiers who owed their
> lives to the brave efforts of the French Resistance
Uh, that's what you do when you're allies in a war.
> Plenty of Frenchmen died fighting Hitler too so fuck you
That's what happens in a war...people die.
> if you want to dishonor *their* sacrifices just because you are frustrated
with
> the diplomatic efforts of *today's* French Government.
I am not frustrated with the French government, I'm just staing a fact that
Frenchie fails to know or remember why it is that they're free today.
Leanmc360
You wrote, "with that in mind [revolutionary war], we helped & bailed them out
again [WWII]."
By the way, when are you going to bitch about someone else besides Frenchie?
Rizzo and the rest of the Pink Ladies are getting jealous. Maybe you should go
masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk about things you don't
understand like, um, reality.
<snip to end>
Laurie Hester
against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
Iraq's oil?
Laurie
Leanmc360
>
>Why is it that people think that since we supported France in a just war
>against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
>Iraq's oil?
Or (leaving questions of justice out of it), that France owes George W. Bush
and Dick Cheney a goddamned thing? They weren't even *born* when WWII went down
and neither of them fought to preserve liberty for *anyone*.
Sundiff
That was actually funny until you broke out the 2nd grade mastubation
remark.
Sundiff
"Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Why is it that people think that since we supported France in a just war
> against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
> Iraq's oil?
>
> Laurie
I don't think they should support the U.S., their military is pretty
worthless. I do think they should respect America & Americans a little more
instead of forgetting that it was the good ol' U.S or A that handed them
their freedom.
Mirella
>Actually, we *didn't* fight WWII because we felt a debt to France for their
>help in the Revolutionary War. We fought WWII because the Japanese and the
>Germans declared war on the USA. And there are many US soldiers who owed their
>lives to the brave efforts of the French Resistance, so watch out with the
>arm-chair generaling. Plenty of Frenchmen died fighting Hitler too so fuck you
>if you want to dishonor *their* sacrifices just because you are frustrated with
>the diplomatic efforts of *today's* French Government.
I would like to add something for some people in this thread (not to
Lean, with whom I agree):
Do you know anybody from France? Why the hatred?
I could say I hate the French because the audience in Paris during Pearl
Jam was so rude, but that would be totally unfair to all the good people
I know in that country.
It's so easy to hate people or things if you don't know them....
So, my advice: get to know some people, broaden your horizon.
On2Legs
<<what if we're making the jam?
why do you think the US is infallible?>>
I don't think the US is "infallible"... all I said was that its "cool" right
now to bash the United States and a lot of people like to jump on the band
wagon and go along with the crowd... whether its rooting for a sports team
or bad mouthing the United States... its all the same... its herd
behavior...
Laurie Hester
Sundiff wrote:
>
> "Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5EBC97...@rcn.com...
> > Why is it that people think that since we supported France in a just war
> > against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
> > Iraq's oil?
> >
> > Laurie
>
> I don't think they should support the U.S., their military is pretty
> worthless. I do think they should respect America & Americans a little more
> instead of forgetting that it was the good ol' U.S or A that handed them
> their freedom.
That USA isn't the current USA. What we are doing, taking over another
country for it's oil, is shameful. It's not worthy of respect.
Laurie
Laurie Hester
Right. People throughout the entire world are bad-mouthing the US
simply because it's "cool". You don't suppose it could *possibly* be
because we are wrong?
Laurie
Eddie Hill
they
> >loved us & shit, it was because they hated the English & would've fought
> >with anyone against them. So, with that in mind, we helped & bailed them
out
> >again. During WWII, we didn't need their sorry asses to defeat the axis.
The
> >US & the English did just fine without their overtaken asses.
>
> Actually, we *didn't* fight WWII because we felt a debt to France for
their
> help in the Revolutionary War. We fought WWII because the Japanese and the
> Germans declared war on the USA. And there are many US soldiers who owed
their
> lives to the brave efforts of the French Resistance, so watch out with the
> arm-chair generaling. Plenty of Frenchmen died fighting Hitler too so fuck
you
> if you want to dishonor *their* sacrifices just because you are frustrated
with
> the diplomatic efforts of *today's* French Government.
i think he's more upset that the french won't do whatever we tell them.
so in the same sentence that he goes on about how we set them free he
excepts them to be our slaves.
doublethink
eddie
Eddie Hill
> against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
> Iraq's oil?
>
saying it's just for oil isn't productive, laurie.
eddie
> Laurie
>
Eddie Hill
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:39:39 GMT, "Eddie Hill"
> <eddieg...@yahoo.com> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >
> >"Bàidh Stidean" <ivan...@cordoba.net> wrote in message
> >news:5ses5vk647i8rg09v...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:59:30 GMT, "Eddie Hill"
> >> <eddieg...@yahoo.com> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >france conquered europe in the 1800s.
> >>
> >> Not completely. Napoleon got his ass kicked by a coalition force at
> >> Waterloo, then he made the blunder of trying to fight Russians in a
> >> Russian winter.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >the russian invasion was 1812. waterloo was 1815. russia's what broke
him.
> >but he had europe conquered until he did that. at one point russia was
more
> >or less an ally.
>
> those factoids I never use much ;-)
no problem. you at least knew about a russian invasion and waterloo.
that's more than most americans, i'm sure.
eddie
Eddie Hill
>
> "Laurie Hester" <laurie...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5EBC97...@rcn.com...
> > Why is it that people think that since we supported France in a just war
> > against Hitler, that they should support us in an unjust war to steal
> > Iraq's oil?
> >
> > Laurie
>
> I don't think they should support the U.S., their military is pretty
> worthless.
have they been attacked? nope. i guess it's working out just fine for
them, huh.
> I do think they should respect America & Americans a little more
> instead of forgetting that it was the good ol' U.S or A that handed them
> their freedom.
>
'handed'
yea. that pretty much sums up how little you know. here's a hint. if
you're still in school there's these things called history classes. you
maybe should take one. just for the hell of it so you don't look entirely
uninformed when you open your yap.
hugs,
eddie
Eddie Hill
riiiight. so the 80% or whatever it is of europe that opposes the war is
doing it *just* because it's the cool thing to do? even though a good chunk
of those people aren't really cool or wouldn't know what cool was? i see.
and the fifty some percent of our country that feels the same way is just
doing it to be "cool"? all those people who marched in the cold two
weekends ago were just trying to be "cool." i see now. being against an
aggressive preemptive attack is just a social trend.
if you actually believe that you're obviously not in touch w/ reason, and
arguing w/ you is an exercise in futility.
eddie
>
Eddie Hill
US... wrong... cognitive dissonance... can't... think...
*pop*
eddie
> Laurie
Leanmc360
<snip>
>> By the way, when are you going to bitch about someone else besides
>Frenchie?
>> Rizzo and the rest of the Pink Ladies are getting jealous. Maybe you
>should go
>> masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk about things you
>don't
>> understand like, um, reality.
>
>That was actually funny until you broke out the 2nd grade mastubation
>remark.
Now I think we've discovered the root of your problem: most people don't get
into masterbating until well after the 2d grade. Sundiff, maybe you should get
some help. Then you won't keep blaming the French for all that's wrong in your
little life. Were you abused as a child or did your parents just not give you
enough love? Its okay, you can drop the mask! It wasn't your fault!
[Gives Sundiff a big hug] You'll be okay!
Sundiff
I never blamed the French for anything that has to do with my life. I merely
said that their hatred for us Americans is utterly ridiculous seeing as
though our people saved their sorry asses. I get & have gotten plenty of
love, don't worry about me.
Eddie Hill
> > [Gives Sundiff a big hug] You'll be okay!
>
> I never blamed the French for anything that has to do with my life. I
merely
> said that their hatred for us Americans is utterly ridiculous seeing as
> though our people saved their sorry asses. I get & have gotten plenty of
> love, don't worry about me.
>
so your hatred of them is ridiculous seeing as though their people save our
sorry asses.
eddie
>
>
Sundiff
Read the other threads, Eddie, I've covered my thoughts on the Revolutionary
War already. To summarize, the French hated England & would have helped
anyone fight them, so it was us who really helped them do what they had
wanted for so very long.
Leanmc360
Yeah Sundiff, but its the *wrong kind* of love! Adults aren't supposed to
"love" second graders that way. You need to break the cycle now, so that you
can love the wonderful French people. They don't hate you, they just want to
help. Don't shut them out Sundiff, its not too late!
Leanmc360
>
>Read the other threads, Eddie, I've covered my thoughts on the Revolutionary
>War already. To summarize, the French hated England & would have helped
>anyone fight them, so it was us who really helped them do what they had
>wanted for so very long.
Kinda like how we were already at war with the Germans and helped anyone who
fought them, so they really helped us to do what we would have done anyway
during WWII?
Eddie Hill
we hated the nazis and would do anything to fight them. so clearly it was
france who helped us out in WWII.
eddie
>
>
>
Eddie Hill
> >Sundiff wrote"
> >> [Gives Sundiff a big hug] You'll be okay!
> >
> >I never blamed the French for anything that has to do with my life. I
merely
> >said that their hatred for us Americans is utterly ridiculous seeing as
> >though our people saved their sorry asses. I get & have gotten plenty of
> >love, don't worry about me.
>
> Yeah Sundiff, but its the *wrong kind* of love! Adults aren't supposed to
> "love" second graders that way. You need to break the cycle now, so that
you
> can love the wonderful French people. They don't hate you, they just want
to
> help. Don't shut them out Sundiff, its not too late!
>
LOL!!!
sundiff and the forbiden love
eddie
Eddie Hill
=)
that's what i thought
Leanmc360
Yeah, its pretty silly to think that the USA fought WWII for reasons like this:
May, 1940. The White House.
FDR: Its really terrible about Germany invading France.
Elanor: Yes, don't you think that we should do something to help out those poor
Frenchmen? I hate to think of what Hitler is going to do to their asses.
FDR: Hey, remember back in the Revolutionary War? France helped us. Why don't
we go help *them* out?
Elanor: Franklin, you are so smart! Of course we will go help the French! We
Americans love the French and their French asses, we must call up General
Marshall and have him come up with a plan to save their French asses
immediately!
FDR: We are so generous and wonderful, now France will always do exactly what
we want, forever and forever! Oh those sweet French asses, I can just imagine
how much fun our soldiers will have saving them. Because that is the highest
priority of America, after all.
Eddie Hill
"Bàidh Stidean" <krist...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0n306v0fqchls4avn...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:47:39 GMT, "Eddie Hill"
> >that's more than most americans, i'm sure.
>
> eyeing everytime I'm in Borders, I haven;t really studied Russian
> History since my last class on it in 1990.
>
> Or was it 1989?
>
> A while ago, at the very least.
>
european history is so damn interesting. there's just to much more depth to
what happens over there because it's been going on soooo long. it's great.
french history is my favorite. those guys really know how to have a
revolution!
eddie
>
Sundiff
That makes less sense than the pot stirring banter I've been spewing.
Are you an American? Have you ever been to France? If you have, you would've
heard Frenchie say "stupid American" more times in 3 days that you would in
your entire life.
Leanmc360
Well of course it doesn't make sense to you. Masterbating second graders makes
sense to you though. You need help, I'm praying for you though. Tell you what,
I'll send out an email to all my fellow prayer warriors and we will all pray
for you to be healed! Jesus will touch you (not like you were touched when you
were young, in a *good* way). Then you can love the wonderful French people
again and not blame them for all that terrible abuse you suffered when you were
a child.
>Are you an American? Have you ever been to France? If you have, you would've
>heard Frenchie say "stupid American" more times in 3 days that you would in
>your entire life.
LOL Sundiff, "Frenchie" isn't a real person, she was just a character from a
musical! You really need help.
BTW, I've been to France and never heard anyone say "stupid American". My guess
is that is due to the fact that *I'm* not stupid, maybe things were different
for *you*. The French don't hate Americans, they *love* us.
Sundiff
OK, whatever.
>
> >Are you an American? Have you ever been to France? If you have, you
would've
> >heard Frenchie say "stupid American" more times in 3 days that you would
in
> >your entire life.
>
> LOL Sundiff, "Frenchie" isn't a real person, she was just a character from
a
> musical! You really need help.
OK, whatever.
>
> BTW, I've been to France and never heard anyone say "stupid American". My
guess
> is that is due to the fact that *I'm* not stupid, maybe things were
different
> for *you*. The French don't hate Americans, they *love* us.
How educated are you. I'm willing to bet that you haven't even gotten past
high school yet. I'm not sure why I'm even argueing with some one so
obsessed with mastrubateing 2nd graders. For the record in defence of my so
called lack of intelligence, I speak 3 languages (English, German &
French...yes, French), I have bachelor's degree in art & a Masters degree in
art history. Oh, & BTW, I'm German & French, so I'm allowed to have a bad
opinion of the rude, American hating French.
Leanmc360
Touche!
>> >Are you an American? Have you ever been to France? If you have, you
>would've
>> >heard Frenchie say "stupid American" more times in 3 days that you would
>in
>> >your entire life.
>>
>> LOL Sundiff, "Frenchie" isn't a real person, she was just a character from
>a
>> musical! You really need help.
>
>OK, whatever.
You are so elequent!
>> BTW, I've been to France and never heard anyone say "stupid American". My
>guess
>> is that is due to the fact that *I'm* not stupid, maybe things were
>different
>> for *you*. The French don't hate Americans, they *love* us.
>
>How educated are you. I'm willing to bet that you haven't even gotten past
>high school yet.
You lose. Oh Sundiff, you are just wrong about *everything*! I am way past
high school. I'm just trying to help *you* to love yourself and the wonderful
French people!
>I'm not sure why I'm even argueing with some one so
>obsessed with mastrubateing 2nd graders.
Sundiff, *you* are the one obsessed wiht masterbating second graders! If you
read back over the thread, you'll see quite clearly that you were the one who
introduced that (quite sick) topic. But it appears that you keep projecting
your own pathologies on other people (like you do the entire French nation).
>For the record in defence of my so
>called lack of intelligence, I speak 3 languages (English, German &
>French...yes, French), I have bachelor's degree in art & a Masters degree in
>art history.
Sundiff, I never said you lacked intellegence. I'm sure it takes a *whole lot*
of brain power to study art. You must be really really smart to look at a bunch
of pictures. I bet you even had to read a few books, too, and they had actual
words under the pictures! You are such a big brain, I'm going to call you "Big
Brain Sundiff" so you feel better about yourself.
>Oh, & BTW, I'm German & French, so I'm allowed to have a bad
>opinion of the rude, American hating French.
LOL, this proves my point. You can't love yourself, you are just so full of
hatred for everyone. You are French, so you hate Americans, but you hate the
French too! Big Brain Sundiff, when you learn to love yourself that's the
greatest love of all.
Here's a song you can sing, Big Brain Sundiff. It was recorded by the great
Whitney Houston and it goes like this:
"I decided long ago
Never to walk in anyone's shadows
If I fail, if I succeed
At least I will live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can't take away my dignity"
Big Brain Sundiff, you don't have to hate the French anymore! Its okay! Let go
of the past and walk into the light!
Eddie Hill
>
>
> That makes less sense than the pot stirring banter I've been spewing.
> Are you an American? Have you ever been to France? If you have, you
would've
> heard Frenchie say "stupid American" more times in 3 days that you would
in
> your entire life.
>
did they call you stupid american a lot while you were there? maybe it's
because you keep lumping htem together and calling them frenchie.
sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade, man.
eddie
>
>
Sundiff
I read back over the thread & it is indeed you that brought up masterbation:
You: > By the way, when are you going to bitch about someone else
besides
Frenchie?
> Rizzo and the rest of the Pink Ladies are getting jealous.
Maybe you
should go
> masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk about
things you
don't
> understand like, um, reality.
Me: That was actually funny until you broke out the 2nd grade
mastubation
remark.
2nd grade is an adjective here, I wasn't talking about 2nd graders. It is
your sick mind that put the 2 together.
>
> >For the record in defence of my so
> >called lack of intelligence, I speak 3 languages (English, German &
> >French...yes, French), I have bachelor's degree in art & a Masters degree
in
> >art history.
>
> Sundiff, I never said you lacked intellegence. I'm sure it takes a *whole
lot*
> of brain power to study art. You must be really really smart to look at a
bunch
> of pictures. I bet you even had to read a few books, too, and they had
actual
> words under the pictures! You are such a big brain, I'm going to call you
"Big
> Brain Sundiff" so you feel better about yourself.
Ever take an art history course? At a good school, you not only learn about
the artwork you also learn about what was going on in the world at the time.
That's why it's call art history, because you learn history, too. That's how
I got such a big brain.
>
> >Oh, & BTW, I'm German & French, so I'm allowed to have a bad
> >opinion of the rude, American hating French.
>
> LOL, this proves my point. You can't love yourself, you are just so full
of
> hatred for everyone. You are French, so you hate Americans, but you hate
the
> French too! Big Brain Sundiff, when you learn to love yourself that's the
> greatest love of all.
>
> Here's a song you can sing, Big Brain Sundiff. It was recorded by the
great
> Whitney Houston and it goes like this:
>
> "I decided long ago
> Never to walk in anyone's shadows
> If I fail, if I succeed
> At least I will live as I believe
> No matter what they take from me
> They can't take away my dignity"
>
> Big Brain Sundiff, you don't have to hate the French anymore! Its okay!
Let go
> of the past and walk into the light!
When you put it that way, in the word of Houston that is, how can I argue
with you or the French.
Leanmc360
>> >Sundiff wrote:
<snip>
>> >I'm not sure why I'm even argueing with some one so
>> >obsessed with mastrubateing 2nd graders.
>>
>> Sundiff, *you* are the one obsessed wiht masterbating second graders! If
>you
>> read back over the thread, you'll see quite clearly that you were the one
>who
>> introduced that (quite sick) topic. But it appears that you keep
>projecting
>> your own pathologies on other people (like you do the entire French
>nation).
>
>
>I read back over the thread & it is indeed you that brought up masterbation:
Well, duh. But *not* masterbating second graders. That was you.
>You: > By the way, when are you going to bitch about someone else
>besides
> Frenchie?
> > Rizzo and the rest of the Pink Ladies are getting jealous.
>Maybe you
> should go
> > masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk about
>things you
> don't
> > understand like, um, reality.
>
>Me: That was actually funny until you broke out the 2nd grade
>mastubation
> remark.
>
>2nd grade is an adjective here, I wasn't talking about 2nd graders. It is
>your sick mind that put the 2 together.
So in other words, you brought up the topic of masterbation and 2d graders by
placeing the two concepts right next to each others. You weren't talking about
2d graders, but yet you used the word 2d grade. Big Brain Sundiff, what was
your MA in again? Language? No, Art History, oh yes!
>> >For the record in defence of my so
>> >called lack of intelligence, I speak 3 languages (English, German &
>> >French...yes, French), I have bachelor's degree in art & a Masters degree
>in
>> >art history.
>>
>> Sundiff, I never said you lacked intellegence. I'm sure it takes a *whole
>lot*
>> of brain power to study art. You must be really really smart to look at a
>bunch
>> of pictures. I bet you even had to read a few books, too, and they had
>actual
>> words under the pictures! You are such a big brain, I'm going to call you
>"Big
>> Brain Sundiff" so you feel better about yourself.
>
>Ever take an art history course? At a good school, you not only learn about
>the artwork you also learn about what was going on in the world at the time.
>That's why it's call art history, because you learn history, too. That's how
>I got such a big brain.
Big Brain Sundiff, I bet you learned a lot about history looking at pretty
pictures! You are so smart it kills me.
>> >Oh, & BTW, I'm German & French, so I'm allowed to have a bad
>> >opinion of the rude, American hating French.
>>
>> LOL, this proves my point. You can't love yourself, you are just so full
>of
>> hatred for everyone. You are French, so you hate Americans, but you hate
>the
>> French too! Big Brain Sundiff, when you learn to love yourself that's the
>> greatest love of all.
>>
>> Here's a song you can sing, Big Brain Sundiff. It was recorded by the
>great
>> Whitney Houston and it goes like this:
>>
>> "I decided long ago
>> Never to walk in anyone's shadows
>> If I fail, if I succeed
>> At least I will live as I believe
>> No matter what they take from me
>> They can't take away my dignity"
>>
>> Big Brain Sundiff, you don't have to hate the French anymore! Its okay!
>Let go
>> of the past and walk into the light!
>
>When you put it that way, in the word of Houston that is, how can I argue
>with you or the French.
Now you see the light Big Brain Sundiff! Hooray! Baugettes for everyone!
Sundiff
No, it was you that brough masterbation into this stupid little conversation
of ours. I said your comment was funny until you added that "2nd grade" (2nd
grade is a descriptive word implying immaturity here) masterbation remark.
And it was "2nd" not "2d", so, again it's you that's an idiot because you
can't read.
Laurie Hester
Are you kidding? This guy has obviously never been to France; I would
be willing to bet he's never left the country.
Laurie
>
> eddie
>
> >
> >
Leanmc360
Oh Big Brain Sundiff, you are mistaken. You are the one who introjected the
topic of masterbation and 2d graders. *You* were getting all hot and bothered
about saving Frenchie's ass, all I did was call you out on it. Then *you*
brought up 2d graders and masterbation, which is totally inappropriate because
everyone knows that masterbation is not typical of 2d graders.
If you studied any psychology while working on your MA in Art History, you
might recognize that as a "freudian slip". It hints at the terrible trauma you
must have suffered when you were young, which likely relates to your unhealthy
hatred for the entire French nation. Big Brain Sundiff, it doesn't matter how
smart you are (and with an MA in Art History, you must be *really* smart). The
subconscious might block out things from your memory, but they will resurface
in other places. Until you can deal with the past, you are doomed to recreate
that trauma in inappropriate ways, like hating the French or flaming people for
typos. And since you are French yourself, its obviously *doubly* unhealthy.
"Did the French [ie Big Brain Sundiff in the 2d grade] ever fight well?" Big
Brain Sundiff, a 2d grader can't *possibly* fight off an adult. Stop blaming
yourself. It wasn't your fault. You don't have to hate yourself anymore. And
you don't have to lash out at me or the French, either. We're just trying to
help you love yourself again.
Big Brain Sundiff, don't hate, relate! Its not too late, the French are great!
2d graders don't masterbate. Give yourself a *big* hug, things will get better.
<snip to end>
Eddie Hill
i was implying he *IS* a stupid american.
eddie
> Laurie
> >
> > eddie
> >
> > >
> > >
>
Mirella
>> >> >obsessed with mastrubateing 2nd graders.
>> >>
>> >> Sundiff, *you* are the one obsessed wiht masterbating second graders!
>masterbation:
>>
>> Well, duh. But *not* masterbating second graders. That was you.
>> > > masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk about
>> >mastubation
>> > remark.
>> So in other words, you brought up the topic of masterbation and 2d graders
>No, it was you that brough masterbation into this stupid little conversation
ehm, not to be picky, but isn't the word 'masturbation'? ;)
groetjes,
Mirella :)
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Eddie Hill
"Mirella" <mire...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:38:53 -0700, "Sundiff" <cahg...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >"Leanmc360" <lean...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >obsessed with mastrubateing 2nd graders.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sundiff, *you* are the one obsessed wiht masterbating second
graders!
> >masterbation:
> >>
> >> Well, duh. But *not* masterbating second graders. That was you.
> >> > > masterbate to Grease again instead of trying to talk
about
> >> >mastubation
> >> > remark.
> >> So in other words, you brought up the topic of masterbation and 2d
graders
> >No, it was you that brough masterbation into this stupid little
conversation
>
> ehm, not to be picky, but isn't the word 'masturbation'? ;)
>
it's gotta burn him to be corrected by a foreigner. especially one that
speaks french.
eddie
John Ellis
"Bàidh Stidean" <ivan...@cordoba.net> wrote in message
news:9ifs5vk57j4jrdvpq...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:20:19 GMT, Mirella <mire...@chello.nl>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> ><yledb...@REMOVEadelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >>oh yeah and....what the hell prompted the original post?
> >
> >Anti France propaganda? It's weird, ever since Bush wants to start this
> >ridiculous war, I suddenly see American people writing anti-France
> >things.
>
> --cut--
>
> What makes me laugh are the blithering idiot talk radio guys here
> that demand we boycott France, Germany, or anyone else who opposes our
> war. The reality of our global economy seems to be lost on them. I
> saw a letter in the local paper a few weeks back demanding that "Good
> Americans" boycott Mercedes. Okay fine, just give up that Dodge
> truck, you dumb redneck! I guess they forgot that Dodge and Mercedes
> share the same parent - the German-American combine Daimler-Chrysler.
> Oh yeah, and don't worry about all those AMERICANS Mercedes and BMW
> employ in their AMERICAN car factories...
> Expanding on this further, Fox News King Moron Sean Hannity was
> screaming that he has no use for anything the French make - wine and
> cheese is just for liberals, he claims. Oh? No use for anything the
> French make? Who wants to bet that some of the communications
> satellites that broadcast his drivel around the world were put in
> space by the European Space Agency using French0built Ariane rockets
> powered by French-built SNECMA engines? And speaking of SNECMA,
> hasn't their partnership with America's General Electric produced the
> CFM series of aircraft engine? And doesn't the CFM power all current
> and most past marques of the Boeing 737, the world's best-selling
> airliner? And what about Eurocopter? I'm sure that his rich,
> Republican ass gets to move about on private helicopters - I bet some
> of those are Eurocopter models. And who is Eurocopter? Why that
> would be Aerospatiale of France and (insert drumroll here)
> Daimer-Chrysler!
> The simplicity of these people's arguements never ceases to amaze
> me. Most people here can't seem to grasp that our economy is linked
> to France and Germany in many ways and that trying to damage them
> economically by boycotts damages our economy.
I like the one diner in NC, I think, that renamed their "french fries"
"liberty fries". Yeah, great idea - morons. Maybe instead of changing the
name of the artery clogging product, people could just not eat french fries,
period, fat asses. But that would be asking too much I guess. People only go
so far to seem patriotic.
Sundiff
"John Ellis" <john.m...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8Lw9a.42603$x.7...@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
What do you have against fried food? I think this takes the cake, you can't
do anything anymore without some fake hippy jumping on your back about it.
Shut up & eat your veggie burgers & tofu.
Eddie Hill
>
> >
> > I like the one diner in NC, I think, that renamed their "french fries"
> > "liberty fries". Yeah, great idea - morons. Maybe instead of changing
the
> > name of the artery clogging product, people could just not eat french
> fries,
> > period, fat asses. But that would be asking too much I guess. People
only
> go
> > so far to seem patriotic.
>
>
> What do you have against fried food? I think this takes the cake, you
can't
> do anything anymore without some fake hippy jumping on your back about it.
> Shut up & eat your veggie burgers & tofu.
>
ha! the last post you were complaing that people aren't allowed to disagree
anymore, then when someone says french fries are unhealthy you jump all over
them for having an opinion. ha!
BOOM!
eddie
>
Matsmaniac
>>>>Yep, and there's a lot of that going on in both sides of this
argument.
>
> It depends on what you mean by "this arguement". If what you mean is "the
> french suck, they can't fight" then that isn't what I'd call an arguement or a
> historical commentary. Its just shit-talking.
Maybe it wasn't clear: I meant it as a part of this entire debate
regarding war...the "French suck" thing was an offshoot of that
argument.
Sundiff
"Eddie Hill" <eddieg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HBCI...@news.boeing.com...
No, I want people to disagree. My last post was about wanting people to not
get along & start disliking eachother again. I apologize if my point wasn't
clear, but I'm all for ridding the world of all this over-sensativity. Some
is OK, but we as a whole have gone overboard.
To say stuff against fried food is just criminal.
John Ellis
news:b4898i$1t035i$1...@ID-158462.news.dfncis.de...
>
I have nothing against french fries or fried food. I just picture these
people saying "I'll show those French people, we'll call them liberty fries
now." Well if you really feel up for the cause maybe boycott french fries
altogether. Come on, put your money where your mouth is. Due some faux
patriotic thing that might actually require sacrifice. Not that I think that
is patriotic in any way...
Reminds me of the people with the $5 flags on their cars after 9/11...but
that was as far as they went because it *was* the *least* they could
possibly do.
John Ellis
I really don't want to debate food on a fucking music newsgroup, but fried
food probably leads to more health problems than cigarretes. I tried to
state my original point more clearly in another post.
Laurie Hester
John Ellis wrote:
>
>
> I really don't want to debate food on a fucking music newsgroup, but fried
> food probably leads to more health problems than cigarretes. I tried to
> state my original point more clearly in another post.
The Scottish prove this, but only because cancer takes longer to kill you than
eating nothing but fried food... they all die of heart attacks before they get
cancer...
Moral: if you smoke, eat lots of fried food and no vegetables, because a heart
attack is a quicker and less painful death.
Laurie