PS VIDEO WANTED
Cliff Martin
Anyone out there got a copy of the music video for "Rene & Georgette
Magritte".... shown on MTV way back when. I don't think PS is actually in
it but it's a great video.
Thanks
Cliff
clif...@efn.org
--
Oystein Spjelkavik
Cliff Martin wrote:
>
> Anyone out there got a copy of the music video for "Rene & Georgette
> Magritte".... shown on MTV way back when. I don't think PS is actually in
> it but it's a great video.
He is there, with Carrie F., cleverly edited into Magritte's pictures.
The video is really great, and in fact it caught so much attention that
a Norwegian music schoolar used it as a post modernist example in a book
he wrote on music videos and analysing it thoroughly (in Norwegian
only). Sorry, I can't copy the video for you as I don't have equipment.
But isn't it strange that a PS video compilation has not been released?
Considering the very high artistic standard of his videos, it would make
a perfect compilation, just think about Obvious Child, Al, and Boy in
the Bubble - and there are quite many and they're hard too find.
Oystein
J...@suffolk.lib
On Wed, 27 May 1998 11:30:46 +0200, Oystein Spjelkavik <o...@afi-wri.no>
wrote:
I've always been a tad embarrassed listening to this song. Paul wrote
how he saw a picture of the couple, and turned it into a song, using
the caption as the title. The song is about a couple who loves 50's
music (Penguins, Moonglows, etc.) - i.e. not the real Magrittes
(AFAIK). I got the impression that the photo struck Paul in some way,
inspiring him to write a song from it even though he didn't know who
Rene Magritte was. And the uses of Magritte's paintings (which I
love) in the video seems like an afterthought.
Nothing wrong with writing a song based on a pic (Lucy in the Sky!),
but I would have preferred that Paul had used fictional names.
Somehow the image of Rene Magritte listening to the 5 Satins doesn't
seem right to me. Well, Magritte may have been Belgian, but he did
live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
Anyone seen the photo? Was the "war" WWI?
Regards,
Jon
cou...@/remove/ilo.uva.nl
On Thu, 28 May 1998 07:44:08 GMT, J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
>Anyone seen the photo? Was the "war" WWI?
Yes and yes.
The photo was printed on the inner sleeve of the 'Hearts and Bones'
LP, along with a photograph of the man with the sad and simple face.
If anyone who is as unfortunate as to own the CD wants to have a peak,
I can scan the photo's and mail them to you. Just mail me one good
reason why you are interested.
Michel Couzijn
Instituut voor de Lerarenopleiding / Graduate School of Teaching and Learning
Universiteit van Amsterdam, Wibautstraat 2-4, 1091 GM Amsterdam,
Tel. 020-5251588 ; Fax. 020-5251290 ; cou...@ilo.uva.nl ; http://www.ilo.uva.nl
Michel Couzijn
On Thu, 28 May 1998 15:25:58 GMT, couzijn@/remove/ilo.uva.nl wrote:
>>Anyone seen the photo? Was the "war" WWI?
>
>Yes and yes.
Sorry, I meant 'yes and no'. The war was WWII. Magritte
gained huge international popularity after 1945. The two people
on the photo are about fourty, I guess. Don't know about the
age of the dog.
Michel Couzijn
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Christopher J. Truffer, et al.
On Thu, 28 May 1998 J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
[cut]
>:Nothing wrong with writing a song based on a pic (Lucy in the Sky!),
>:but I would have preferred that Paul had used fictional names.
>:Somehow the image of Rene Magritte listening to the 5 Satins doesn't
>:seem right to me. Well, Magritte may have been Belgian, but he did
>:live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
[cut]
I've heard the picture story, too, but wasn't "Lucy in the Sky with
Diamonds" a description of an LSD trip?
Chris
Chris Stern
The picture was in Joan Baez' photo album. Personally I think it is a
great song. Whether or not it is historically correct or not is
immaterial. I did not think Paul wrote as a guide to the lives of the
Magrittes. As someone has said in relation to Me and Julio "get a life".
Paul has always liked titles to work on, as in Bridge which started out
when he heard the line "I'll be your bridge over deep water" sung by Rev
Claude Jeter. Similarly I have a BBC recording of work on "The Only Living
Boy in NY" and Paul is heard walking around the studio humming the melody
and saying "I love that title" several times. He saw the picture in Joan
Beaz album labeled "Renee and Georgette Magritte with their dog DURING the
war and liked it as a title which he subsequently changed slightly.
Chris Stern
BKawalec
>I've heard the picture story, too, but wasn't "Lucy in the Sky with
>Diamonds" a description of an LSD trip?
>
>Chris
A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Bill
"Detroit, Detroit, got a helluva hockey team."
Paul Simon
Jessica Bahlman
J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
>
> >
> I've always been a tad embarrassed listening to this song. Paul wrote
> how he saw a picture of the couple, and turned it into a song, using
> the caption as the title. The song is about a couple who loves 50's
> music (Penguins, Moonglows, etc.) - i.e. not the real Magrittes
> (AFAIK). I got the impression that the photo struck Paul in some way,
> inspiring him to write a song from it even though he didn't know who
> Rene Magritte was. And the uses of Magritte's paintings (which I
> love) in the video seems like an afterthought.
>
> but I would have preferred that Paul had used fictional names.
> Somehow the image of Rene Magritte listening to the 5 Satins doesn't
> seem right to me. Well, Magritte may have been Belgian, but he did
> live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
Jon,
Paul has talked about this song in a bunch of interviews and I ALWAYS
have gotten the impression that he knew exactly what he was doing. He
calls it a surreal song about a surrealist artist. He's even commented
on how the people who have heard of the Penguins, Moonglows...etc.
probably haven't heard of Magritte, and the people who've heard of
Magritte probably haven't heard of the Pengiuns. etc. he even calls it
a leap. I am quite sure he knew what images he was comparing when he
was writing this song, base on what he has said about it in interviews
(I think the one I'm refering to is from 60 Minutes... though I'm not
quite sure)
=)
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J...@suffolk.lib
On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:52:09 GMT, cou...@ilo.uva.nl (Michel Couzijn)
wrote:
>On Thu, 28 May 1998 15:25:58 GMT, couzijn@/remove/ilo.uva.nl wrote:
>
>>>Anyone seen the photo? Was the "war" WWI?
>>
>>Yes and yes.
>
>Sorry, I meant 'yes and no'. The war was WWII. Magritte
>gained huge international popularity after 1945. The two people
>on the photo are about fourty, I guess. Don't know about the
>age of the dog.
>
Right - you reminded me of this - I haven't looked at the _album_ in a
while. Chris Stern posted that the pic was originally
entitled..."during the war", so Magritte, born in 1898, could have
been about 40 (but no so famous yet :)).
Jon
J...@suffolk.lib
On Sat, 30 May 1998 16:03:42 GMT, Chris Stern <cws...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>The picture was in Joan Baez' photo album. Personally I think it is a
>great song. Whether or not it is historically correct or not is
>immaterial.
That's your opinion. I have a problem with a song that contains
made-up circumstances from someone's life, if that _is_ what Paul did.
> I did not think Paul wrote as a guide to the lives of the
>Magrittes. As someone has said in relation to Me and Julio "get a life".
No thanks - one is plenty. I wouldn't mind a Ferrari though.
>Paul has always liked titles to work on, as in Bridge which started out
>when he heard the line "I'll be your bridge over deep water" sung by Rev
>Claude Jeter. Similarly I have a BBC recording of work on "The Only Living
>Boy in NY" and Paul is heard walking around the studio humming the melody
>and saying "I love that title" several times. He saw the picture in Joan
>Beaz album labeled "Renee and Georgette Magritte with their dog DURING the
>war and liked it as a title which he subsequently changed slightly.
>
So why not Chris and Georgette Stern With Their Dog After the War? :)
:)
>Chris Stern
>
>Christopher J. Truffer, et al. wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 May 1998 J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
>>
>> [cut]
>>
>> >:Nothing wrong with writing a song based on a pic (Lucy in the Sky!),
>> >:but I would have preferred that Paul had used fictional names.
>> >:Somehow the image of Rene Magritte listening to the 5 Satins doesn't
>> >:seem right to me. Well, Magritte may have been Belgian, but he did
>> >:live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
>>
>> [cut]
>>
>> I've heard the picture story, too, but wasn't "Lucy in the Sky with
>> Diamonds" a description of an LSD trip?
>>
Sure - why not both?
That reminds me of the Hendrix lyric "the traffic lights they turn
blue tomorrow." Tell me that wasn't conceived while Jimi was on
drugs!
Regards,
Jon
>> Chris
>
>
J...@suffolk.lib
>J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
>>
>> >
>> I've always been a tad embarrassed listening to this song. Paul wrote
>> how he saw a picture of the couple, and turned it into a song, using
>> the caption as the title. The song is about a couple who loves 50's
>> music (Penguins, Moonglows, etc.) - i.e. not the real Magrittes
>> (AFAIK). I got the impression that the photo struck Paul in some way,
>> inspiring him to write a song from it even though he didn't know who
>> Rene Magritte was. And the uses of Magritte's paintings (which I
>> love) in the video seems like an afterthought.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with writing a song based on a pic (Lucy in the Sky!),
>> but I would have preferred that Paul had used fictional names.
>> Somehow the image of Rene Magritte listening to the 5 Satins doesn't
>> seem right to me. Well, Magritte may have been Belgian, but he did
>> live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
>
>Jon,
>Paul has talked about this song in a bunch of interviews and I ALWAYS
>have gotten the impression that he knew exactly what he was doing. He
>calls it a surreal song about a surrealist artist. He's even commented
>on how the people who have heard of the Penguins, Moonglows...etc.
>probably haven't heard of Magritte, and the people who've heard of
>Magritte probably haven't heard of the Pengiuns. etc. he even calls it
>a leap. I am quite sure he knew what images he was comparing when he
>was writing this song, base on what he has said about it in interviews
>(I think the one I'm refering to is from 60 Minutes... though I'm not
>quite sure)
>=)
I hope you're right - note that I didn't say outright that Paul didn't
know about Magritte. But I heard an interview that he gave shortly
after the album was released, and he said nothing about Magritte's
being a surrealist. He only mentioned that he was struck by the
picture.
In any case, I'm a _huge_ PS fan, and this isn't a big deal to me (I
did say "a tad embarrassed"). Even if he changed his story later, it
isn't Watergate. Well, I guess it would bother me a tad more than the
crummy album cover :)
Regards,
Jon
p.s. Now, which artists would Paul have known about? :)
Jalal al-Din
On Thu, 28 May 1998 J...@suffolk.lib wrote:
> I've always been a tad embarrassed listening to this song. Paul wrote
> how he saw a picture of the couple, and turned it into a song, using
> the caption as the title. The song is about a couple who loves 50's
> music (Penguins, Moonglows, etc.) - i.e. not the real Magrittes
> but he did live until 1967 (born 1898), so who knows?
photograph appeared. Of course he knew who Rene Magritte was, he was
reading a book about the guy! Now, here's the confusing part; why are he
and his wife listening to doo-wop from the 1950s? At first I thought the
"Penguins" was a reference to the commone theme of suited-up, hat-wearing
men seen throughout Magritte's paintings, but abandoned this when I
learned that these groups did actually exist at one time or another. One
day I was reading an interview with Paul Simon, I'm not sure which one,
during which he discussed at length the criticism he got in response to
the song. He stated that it was supposed to be a SURREAL song about a
SURREALIST painter and his wife (and his dog, I imagine). Why is there a
problem with that? The song seems to make no apparent sense in much the
same manner of traditional surrealism; the unusual images, the
juxtapositions of time and so forth. So there you go...
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A . and flying in the will of the air,
M often forgetting ever being in that
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I I spring loose from the four-branched,
S time-and-space cross, this waiting room
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Chris Stern
The photograph belonged to joan Baez. He saw it at her house. Except that it
was DURING the war.
Chris
BKawalec
>The photograph belonged to joan Baez.
Are you sure of this? I had never heard this version before.
Jessica Bahlman
Jalal al-Din wrote: He stated that it was supposed to be a SURREAL song
about a> SURREALIST painter and his wife (and his dog, I imagine). Why
is there a> problem with that? The song seems to make no apparent sense
in much the> same manner of traditional surrealism; the unusual images,
the> juxtapositions of time and so forth. So there you go...
Exactly! =) I mean, try to go about making sense of boots that are part
feet or a flesh statue or a portrait of a woman wit a bouquet of flowers
where her face is... Surrealism. Wacky stuff.
;-)
Chris Stern
Yes I heard or read it in an interviewsome years ago.
Chris
BKawalec
>Yes I heard or read it in an interviewsome years ago.
>
>Chris
Can you even enlighten us as to who the subject of the interview was?
Jessica Bahlman
BKawalec wrote:>
> >Yes I heard or read it in an interviewsome years ago.
> >>Chris
> > Can you even enlighten us as to who the subject of the interview >was?
I saw this too... It all blurs together after a while, Bill... He said
he saw it in a book on a coffee table or something at Joan Baez's
house.... I have no idea where I saw/read this... 60 Minutes...
perhaps... or maybe that Paul Simon Solo interview (the hour long
british interview where it starts with him singing "The Girl For Me") I
really am not sure... Maybe even the Hearts and Bones special...
OK, I'm not being helpful at all... but I am backing up the Joan Baez
statement...
;-)
PS Bill, I got the package in the mail yesterday... Thanks SOOOOOOO
much it's REALLY great! =)
meyo
Jessica Bahlman heeft geschreven in bericht <35754B...@erols.com>...
Fan of Celine?... No, not Dion...Louis Ferdinand!...Same writing
style...Only difference...He curses more...
Meyo...
BKawalec
>Fan of Celine?... No, not Dion...Louis Ferdinand!...Same writing
>style...Only difference...He curses more...
Whatchu talkin' ;bout, Willis??
MHohulin
>He said
>he saw it in a book on a coffee table or something at Joan Baez's
>house.... I have no idea where I saw/read this... 60 Minutes...
>perhaps...
>Maybe even the Hearts and Bones special..
I think it was one of these two places myself. He also spoke of later driving
thru I believe, Montana (lots of space.....) & finding himself singing the line
"Rene & Georgette Magritte, with their dog AFTER the war..."
having nothing to do with Paul BUT--I recently saw Joan Baez in concert & she
did a wicked Bobby D. impression during her encore of "Don't Think Twice."
thought I'd die laughing......
alt.newsgroupspaul-simon
meyo
BKawalec heeft geschreven in bericht
<199806040329...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Céline, Louis Ferdinand, pseudonym of LOUIS FERDINAND DESTOUCHES
(1894-1961), French novelist and physician. (...) His nihilistic first
novel, Journey to the End of the Night (1932; trans. 1934) was followed by a
similar work, Death on the Installment Plan (1936; trans. 1938). (...) His
writings continue to be valued for their stylistic innovations and absurdist
outlook.
"Celine, Louis Ferdinand," Microsoft (R) Encarta. Copyright (c) 1994
Microsoft Corporation. Copyright (c) 1994 Funk & Wagnall's Corporation
His writing style was: very short sentence ... three dots ... very short
sentence ... three dots ... very short sentence ... three dots ... very
short sentence ... three dots ...
By the way, who is Willis?
Meyo.
Michael Aidulis
meyo <hpr...@freemail.nl> wrote in article <6l709q$gtt$1...@eubuf21.eu.concert.net>...
> His writing style was: very short sentence ... three dots ... very short
> sentence ... three dots ... very short sentence ... three dots ... very
> short sentence ... three dots ...
Jeez, any idiot can do that and call it writing! </Homer Simpson on his soap box>
;-)