Re: favorite inside source
Bob0173
>From: "Francis Begbie" Franci...@gmail.com
>Date: 12/13/2004 9:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1103001787.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>
>rape me
>rape me again
>
>I'm not the only one
>
>
>to find this disgusting, Forbes magazine report on the massive cash
>grab for all things Kurdt. I don't know whats more disturbing, the
>grave robbing or the fact Tracy Marander is a 39 y-o mother of 2.
><----- grin goes here
>
>Oh, and the lyrics on WTLO are better than the final cut on inUtero,
>IMO - never liked stink and burn but ROT and burn I can dig.
I like that version of "Rape Me" to..and "Serve the Servants" is cool...wish it
was a little longer though. and i've always liked "GORAFTTS" was happy to see
that on there....could have done without the "SLTS" demo though!
-Bob
--
This is the strangest life i've ever known.
I've always been mad,I know I've been mad,like the most of us....very hard to
explain why you're mad,even if you're not mad....
smithmick
<Franci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>rape me
>rape me again
>
>I'm not the only one
>
>
>to find this disgusting, Forbes magazine report on the massive cash
>grab for all things Kurdt. I don't know whats more disturbing, the
>grave robbing or the fact Tracy Marander is a 39 y-o mother of 2.
><----- grin goes here
>
>Oh, and the lyrics on WTLO are better than the final cut on inUtero,
>IMO - never liked stink and burn but ROT and burn I can dig.
>
>
>http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/1227/180.html
>
>2005 Collectors Guide
>The Art of Grunge
>Kiri Blakeley, 12.27.04
>
>Rock icon Kurt Cobain left behind a trove of his own artwork. Now
>everyone wants to cash in.
>A decade after his suicide, Kurt Cobain is still making money. Nirvana,
>the band for which he was the talented and troubled lead singer,
>continues to sell 5 million or so albums a year. The dead rock star is
>about to make another lucrative name for himself--as an artist.
<snip>
Yeah Kurts the new John Lennon...I like his art. Doubt he'll ever get
that big ($ wise for his art <non musical) but who knows : /
Here I am now, entertain me ; )
Francis Begbie
rape me again
I'm not the only one
to find this disgusting, Forbes magazine report on the massive cash
grab for all things Kurdt. I don't know whats more disturbing, the
grave robbing or the fact Tracy Marander is a 39 y-o mother of 2.
<----- grin goes here
Oh, and the lyrics on WTLO are better than the final cut on inUtero,
IMO - never liked stink and burn but ROT and burn I can dig.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/1227/180.html
2005 Collectors Guide
The Art of Grunge
Kiri Blakeley, 12.27.04
Rock icon Kurt Cobain left behind a trove of his own artwork. Now
everyone wants to cash in.
A decade after his suicide, Kurt Cobain is still making money. Nirvana,
the band for which he was the talented and troubled lead singer,
continues to sell 5 million or so albums a year. The dead rock star is
about to make another lucrative name for himself--as an artist.
His other talent first came to light in late 2002. That's when his
widow, Courtney Love, came out with Journals (Riverhead Books), which,
along with his diary entries and lists, reproduced drawings. As the
principal inheritor of the Cobain estate Love reportedly received a $4
million advance for the book. There's plenty more where that came from
since, by one estimate, she holds up to 90% of Cobain's artistic
efforts. No one knows how big that body of work is, though Cobain, who
had no formal training as an artist, was a chronic doodler.
But family, friends, collectors and assorted scavengers are lining up
to see how much they can get for that prodigious haul. In August two of
Cobain's early drawings--a cartoonish pencil sketch of Ronald Reagan
done in a high school art class and a Christmas card created for his
grandparents when he was 6--sold at a celebrity memorabilia auction in
Monterey, Calif. Owned most recently by his younger sister, Kimberly,
and his paternal grandfather, Leland, they fetched $14,400 and $8,400,
respectively. The buyer of the Reagan drawing, a financier who wishes
to remain anonymous, spent a total of $40,000 on various items on the
advice of his 13-year-old son, who told him that Nirvana would become
the next Beatles. "We're doing this for the love of music," says the
buyer, "but it would be nice to have a collection that appreciates."
This month, get ready for the big time. Christie's is auctioning off
two early pieces, both done when Cobain was 13: a pencil drawing/card
for his grandmother and an 8-by-11-inch dark-blue watercolor of a
lighthouse and the surrounding stormy sea. Estimates on what they'll
bring--$8,000 to $14,000--reflect the bar set at the Monterey auction.
The works, once owned by Leland and later bought in rapid succession by
two dealers, are being offered via Darren Julien, a Los Angelesauction
house owner, who will pocket 10% to 20% of the hammered price. "I've
been getting a huge amount of interest," he says.
No one knows whether this stuff is investment-grade material. Sketches
by John Lennon--if they can be compared with Cobain's--have done
extraordinarily well. In 1988 a self-portrait with Yoko Ono sold at
Christie's South Kensington in London for $3,500 in today's dollars.
Fourteen years later another Lennon self-portrait with Ono brought
$24,000. And you don't even have to be a dead rock icon for your
artistic output to rise in value. An oil painting on board done by the
reclusive Syd Barrett, once of Pink Floyd, sold for $12,500 earlier
this year at a Christie's auction.
What's causing the rush to cash in on Cobain? According to Julien, his
family is selling his personal effects to start a trust fund for
Frances, Cobain's 12-year-old daughter. But Donald Bernstine, who
oversees the Hard Rock Cafe's $34 million rock memorabilia collection,
provides a more likely explanation: The Cobain family was involved in a
custody battle over Frances late last year (she lives with Courtney
Love's stepfather) and is trying to recoup legal fees. Whatever the
reason, Julien, who has wormed his way into the family, claims that
Cobain's sister and mother (who has yet to sell anything) are anything
but mercenaries. They're very concerned, he insists, about what Frances
will think about her relatives' selling her father's effects--the
Monterey auction included such curiosities as a doctor bill and
Cobain's old W-2 form from his stint as a janitor. "They are very
conflicted," says Julien.
Tracy Marander, one of Cobain's old girlfriends, doesn't seem
conflicted. After having lived with Cobain for three years in Olympia,
Wash., Marander still has artwork potentially worth hundreds of
thousands of dollars. Her collection consists of four paintings and an
oil pastel, all made when Cobain was in his early 20s, before the world
knew the word "grunge." One painting depicts a white skeletal figure
with knees upraised--a self-portrait with a touch of tortured German
expressionism. "Kurt always thought he was too skinny," she says. Other
subjects include fetuses, a homeless man and even Charles Manson. "He
didn't paint happy-looking flowery stuff."
A married stay-at-home mom, the 39-year-old Marander says she'd
consider unloading one or two pieces to put a down payment on a house
or send her two children to college. The rest she'd like to save for
their inheritance. "Some guy harassed me for two weeks to sell him
something," she says.
That guy was Richard Kohl, 57, a longtime sports and rock memorabilia
dealer in Gainesville, Fla. He's also the one who tracked down Cobain's
81-year-old grandfather, Leland, in his Montesano, Wash. trailer in
August and gave him $16,000 for a bunch of Kurt's effects. Among them
were three early watercolors, two signed cards, two handmade cards, two
sketches--of Donald Duck and Goofy, made when Kurt was 6--and a
handwritten note. Every Cobain thing, in fact, that Leland still owned.
Kohl sold the lot for $50,000 to Edward Kosinski, a New York art
dealer. Kosinski has so far pocketed $15,300 for three of those items,
sold in Monterey, and has another two pieces up for bid at the
Christie's auction. If they sell at the low end of the estimates,
they'll bring in another $20,000.
A collector of rock memorabilia since 1988, Kosinski claims he's never
lost money. He's especially devoted to Beatles stuff. He paid $40,000
for a piano once owned by John Lennon, then flipped it two years later
for $90,000. "Rock 'n' roll has turned out to be a better investment
than the stock market," he crows. About Cobain's work, he says, with
barely contained self-interest, "This is one of the best opportunities
out there. This is so special because the supply is so limited." For
now.
And what would the singer have made of all this? He rarely concealed
his contempt for his own fame and those who profited from it. "The most
violating thing I've felt this year is not the media exaggerations or
the catty gossip," he writes in Journals, "but the rape of my personal
thoughts."
Bob0173
>From: Vote Your Uterus vote_you...@comcast.net
>Date: 12/15/2004 7:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <0mu1s0l9ps7qarh0v...@4ax.com>
>
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:41:51 +0800, smithmick <b...@bla.com> took 3 hits
>of acid and hallucinated the following:
>>>rape me again
>>>
>>>I'm not the only one
>>>
>>>
>>>to find this disgusting, Forbes magazine report on the massive cash
>>>grab for all things Kurdt. I don't know whats more disturbing, the
>>>grave robbing or the fact Tracy Marander is a 39 y-o mother of 2.
>>><----- grin goes here
>>>
>>>Oh, and the lyrics on WTLO are better than the final cut on inUtero,
>>>IMO - never liked stink and burn but ROT and burn I can dig.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/1227/180.html
>>>
>>>2005 Collectors Guide
>>>The Art of Grunge
>>>Kiri Blakeley, 12.27.04
>>>
>>>Rock icon Kurt Cobain left behind a trove of his own artwork. Now
>>>everyone wants to cash in.
>>>A decade after his suicide, Kurt Cobain is still making money. Nirvana,
>>>the band for which he was the talented and troubled lead singer,
>>>continues to sell 5 million or so albums a year. The dead rock star is
>>>about to make another lucrative name for himself--as an artist.
>>
>>
>>Yeah Kurts the new John Lennon...I like his art. Doubt he'll ever get
>>that big ($ wise for his art <non musical) but who knows : /
>>
>>
>get a mint. The 'baby in thorns' would probably fetch something in the 6
>figures alone.
>
i highly doubt 6 figures(unless you were joking).....i'm sure she could get
some decent money though.