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Jerry
Subject: Re: NIN Albany Dec.4
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In article <1994Dec5.1...@scott.skidmore.edu> bsti...@scott.skidmore.edu (brian stillman) writes:
>Has anybody been to the Albany show last night? I was wondering if
>you had a set list, and any sort of opinion on how the show went. I
>heard that somebody took out Chris Vrenna with a shoe; any truth to
>this? I had also heard that because of this, there were no encores.
>Anyway, just wonderin'.
>
>-Marlow-
>
Heya. I was there. Great show. Here's the setlist:
Pinion
Mr. Self Destruct
Sin
March of the Pigs
Piggy
Reptile
Gave Up
Happiness in Slavery
Eraser
hurt
tds
Wish
Suck
ruiner
Down in It
Head Like a Hole
No encore. :(
Okay. the concert was in the Knick arena which is nasicly a hockey arena.
The Gen admission tickets were to het onto the floor area. they had guards
at the exit/entrances. during MM (which were marginal -- I don't really
like them all that much, but they did do their cover of "Sweet Dreams" nifty.)
people rushed the guards, hopping the wall that usually makes up the outer
edge of the ice arena, as well as the metal fencing (waist high) that security
set up. This happened a few times, and eventually, the guards took down the
inner fencing, and let people in without checking tickets or anything. :)
(I had a seat ticket -- wanted gen. admission).
I managed to get to be like 3 people back, right in front of Robin. Robin
has really really really short blonde hair now, and had his face painted up
like Peter Gabriel used to (look at his older live cd). I tell ya, being 5'4"
in the pit is a challenge. :) (my first time in the pit).
As for the music played, it was awesome. It was my first time hearing this
setlist live. MSD was amazing live. sounded like extra drums were added.
People were being stupid, and throwing shit up on stage. when trent got
the 3rd or so flanel shirt, he stopped singing (missed a few verses) and
said something to the effect of "Thanks. we collect these sweaty flanel shirts"
then he proceded to shove it down his pants to wipe his but, wet it, and threw
it back in the audience.
later on, after the concert, the crowd was cheering (with the auditorium lights
on) and there was an announcement, something like "The show is over. The
drummer was struck in the head with a shoe." So, supposedly, Vrenna was clocked
with a shoe. I had to leave the pit during wish -- i couldn't breathe. I just
went over to the side, then left the auditorium completely during HlH to get
water, so he may have been hit, or he may not have.
Personally, i think it was fabricated as an excuse because trent was pissed that
people were throwing shit up to the stage... maybe flashbacks of sausages...
If anyone has a boot of this concert, lemme know. I'm interested!!!!
-J
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Subject: Re: Fuck This Group
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In article <3cna33$5...@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> tmcl...@uoguelph.ca (Taylor McLaren) writes:
>Nathan Trussell (n...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
>: Fuck this group
>
>"Well fuck this group to you, too!"
Yeah... what he said. yeah.
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Subject: Re: FS: NIN motp 9' vinyl!
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In article <3d0qug$r...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> wh...@namaste.cc.columbia.edu (STRYK9) writes:
>> In a attempt to raise money (I totalled my frigin' car), I
>>am willing to sell my Nine Inch Nails 'march of the pigs' limited
>>edition 9' vinyl.
> ^^^
these worth something? maybe i'll pick uyp the one in the local record store...
From: je...@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Jerry)
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Subject: BOOTLEG REVIEWS
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This page is also available online at:
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jerry/NIN_RI/welcome.html
and will eventually be available at:
ftp://ftp.csh.rit.edu/pub/csh/jerry/nin
All reviews here were done by myself. I only review an release if I have it
on CD for reviewing, and if I have something to compare it to. Just
because I reviewed a disc does not mean that i own it. If there are any
questions about a review, or any further information about any releases
please direct them to je...@mail.csh.rit.edu . If there is a review by
another party, their e-mail address will be listed.
If you have any information on any CDs labelled as "Unconfirmed" please
e-mail me. (je...@mail.csh.rit.edu)
Last updated 01 DEC 94
Changes for this version:
* Killer Instinct - Note added
* Reznor Sharp - spelling change
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+ By Bizarre Hands
+ Coming Down Fast
+ Crossed Nails
+ Demos & Remixes
+ Familiar Sting
+ Hellbound
+ Hole In Your Head
+ Killer Instinct
+ Live In Holland
+ Mud Pigs
+ Mudstock
+ Nine
+ Nothing Is Next
+ Purest Feeling
+ Reznor Sharp
+ The Secret Unbroken Gig
+ Self Destruction Men
+ Sinless
+ Slaves
+ Solid Gold Hell
+ Suck
+ Terrible Live Lie
+ Time To Suck
+ When The Whip Comes Down
+ Woodstock 1994
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By Bizarre Hands
This boot is of decent quality. A bit tinny, probably made from a
analogue cassette master. The quality is decent. Audience noise is
very low. The mix on Sanctified is strange. It's an entirely new
orchestration for the song. It sounds cool. Almost worth it just
for that. It also has an almost instrumental version to Ringfinger
(listed as "The Only Time") Perhaps Trent forgot to sing the first
few bars... :)
It's a eh. recording. I've heard much better, but I've heard much
worse.
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Coming Down Fast
A very good recording. Supplimental material is also very good. The
quality is quite good for an audience. It does have a full set,
including all of the encore. Clarity of the sound is a bit above
average, although bass is a tad undefined and messy.
Audience noise is decent. You can hear particular people.
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Crossed Nails
Probably the best live audience recording of NIN. Excellent clarity,
excellent bass definition. There is no encore on the disc though.
:( It seems as if Trent was not happy about the audience's
participation, or lack thereof.
Some lines he said:
In the end of "March Of The Pigs", he changes the line "now they
can all sleep soundly", to "Now all of you people can just suck my
dick", and he makes it fit in perfectly.
In the beginning of "Suck", he gives an explanation for the song:
"This song is about wrapping your dick in a fly strip, and fucking
a cow up the ass with it" ;)
In "Sin", "Why don't you people just fucking sit down?"
Audience noise is very very low. the Audience sounds like a whole.
Hard to pick out particular people.
Very highly recommended. It is not as good as When The Whip Cracks
Down, which is soundboard quality.
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Demos & Remixes
Notes about the individual tracks:
1. Cool version of DII. has the traditional DII intro, then
breaks into a version of the song similar to that on Halo 3
(Demo version)
2. a happy-ish version of Sanctified. It's got this cool beat
for the whole thing not in the PHM version. (similar to the
one on Purest Feeling)
3. The silliest version of this (or any nin) song I've ever
heard. Think of it as a Depeche Mode song with Trent on
Vocals... It's just so happy. It's hilaroius. hehehe (similar
to the one on Purest Feeling, but more blippy)
4. Demo version of Twist different than the one on Purest
Feeling. Great song; my favorite. :)
5. DII mostly whispered over a hi-hat, and a wierd "spacey" feel
to it.
6. Soundboard recording of "Suck" live. Good quality. (Same as
Halo 00)
7. The same SuperNaut released before. It is very hard... it's
cool (Same as Halo 00)
8. Same as the demo version as on Halo 3.
9. This one was called "You Know Who You Are" On Halo 3. It's
all instrumental.
10. From a vinyl LP. Sounds like a mix of Sin from Halo 4. Not
actually on it, and not significantly different than any
other version I've ever heard. slightly different beginning.
Middle bridge is a bit shorter.
11. From a vinyl LP. A hip-hop version of HLAH. Very strange.
This is the infamous "Opal Mix". It's kinda upbeat, and has
the "You Know Who You Are" at the end of the song. The "HLAH,
black as your soul" bridges are muffled. (Intenetionally)
Cool track though.
12. From a Vinyl LP. Same as Wish from a single with 3
differences: "Now there's nothing more Fauled up I can do"
"I'm the one with this big hiding hole" (?) "Gotta listen to
your big time, hard line, bad luck ------ " This is the UK
Promo.
13. This is the Pigface version... Minimalistic, with just a drum
as backup.
14. See Halo 1. It has a riff from Terrible Lie at the end, which
fades out..
Tracks 1-5 have a tad of bacground static.
Overall, it is well worth the ~$30US for the disc, because of the
variety of the music, and the rareness of the Halo 00 tracks.
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Familiar Sting
The second best live audience recording of NIN. Second only to
Crossed Nails (see above). Audience noise is audible, but at
decent levels. Very good clarity, decent bass definition. There is
no encore on the disc though. :( It seems as if Trent was not
happy about the audience's participation, or lack thereof.
My only complaint is that it isn't a full setlist. It's missing
the final song, Happiness In Slavery. It doesn't fade out before
it either, it just ends. You hear HIS about to start, then it
doesnt. It's a bit annoying.
Very highly recommended anyway.
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Hellbound
No Information Available.
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Hole In Your Head
Probably the worst '94 live recording, although Self Destruction Men
is pretty close to it. Really wierd equalization. The highs are
muted, and bass is messy.
The best way to describe it, is: Turn it on in one room, then go
into the next room, and close your eyes. That's what it sounds
like being in the parking lot next to a stadium where the concert
is. Yes it is that bad.
Get another live recording if at all possible.
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Killer Instinct
Identical to Time To Suck.
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Live In Holland
No Information Available. (Unconfirmed CD)
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Mud Pigs
Recorded at Woodstock '94. Soundboard recording. Audience noise is
overwhwelming at times. Some instruments, including the vocals cut
out at times, so sometimes all you hear of an instrument is its
echo from the field. Decent recording. Sometimes bass gets
undefined. Electronic parts to the songs are remarkably clear most
of the time. Decent boot.
Get When The Whip Comes Down if at all possible instead. You'll
thank me for it later. ;)
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Mudstock
Same recording quality, et al with Mudpigs, although different songs
are edited, namely pinion is shorter, and all of MOTP is there.
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Nine
Some information points to this CD as actually being Time To Suck but
this is unconfirmed as well.
No Information Available. (Unconfirmed CD)
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Nothing Is Next
No Information Available. (Unconfirmed CD)
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Purest Feeling
Studio recording, with live vocals, and drums. Excellent quality,
Highly recommended. I'm pretty sure it's just a studio recording,
like a trial run, of their concert from the time. I have a boot on
tape with pretty much the same linup of songs.
It has the only known studio recordings of "Maybe Just Once",
"Purest Feeling", and "Intro to Sanctified". It has a version of
"Twist" on it, labeled as "Ringfinger" in the liner notes. (my
favorite song :) The version of "Kinda I Want To" is the very 80's
euro pop sounding version. The whole album has a very 80's
electronic-pop sound to it.
The vocals in the version of "The Only Time" on it make it sound
like he really is drunk. ;)
Excellent quality, full stereo seperation. Very highly recommended
to hear where Trent was coming from when he made Pretty Hate
Machine. (No audience noise, as there wasn't an audience ;)
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Reznor Sharp
No Information Available.
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The Secret Unbroken Gig
It's got 3 sections on it.
Tracks 1-10 are the same as on Slaves, sans one track.
11 and 12 are recorded from Lollapalooza in '91. They are decent
recordings if you ignore all the volume fluctuations in track 11,
which you can't because they happen continually throughout the
track. It gets exceedingly annoying. aargh.
Tracks 14 and 15 are from the same recording as the first 4 tracks
of Solid Gold Hell, but are of much worse mix quality. The tracks
fade in and out badly, instead of SGH's really nice cuts.
Overall, It's not worth any price for it. Even with the
Lollapaloza tracks.
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Self Destruction Men
This is the second worst recording from '94. It is hard to listen to.
The audience noise is intolerable. Performance is decent.
More info to come at a later date...
No Information Available.
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Sinless
No Information Available. (Unconfirmed CD)
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Slaves
This is a fair concert recording. Audience noise is quite high, quite
annoying at times. It gets hard to hear the music at times, from
the sheer volume of the audience noise.
If you really want these tracks from this gig, get either Solid
Gold Hell, or The Secret Unbroken Gig.
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Solid Gold Hell
I'm gonna split this one in two sections.
First of all, Tracks 1-4. They were aquired from a radio
broadcast, in September of '91. They are soundboard recordings of
these songs, and they are mixed very well in this CD, and are of
excellent quality.
Secondly, tracks 11-end, which is the same as Slaves.
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Suck
This is an awesome live recording of Suck live. It is a soundboard
recording, and therefore, very clear. Audience noise is only
barely audible in the end of the song.
Supernaut is the original studio recording. Excellent quality.
Sounds to be a first generation copy.
These songs are also available on the Demos and Remixes CD.
If you can find it, and afford it, get it. :)
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Terrible Live Lie
No Information Available.
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Time To Suck
I'll split it in 2 sections, as there are 2 concerts on the CD.
For the first 7 tracks, see the review for By Bizarre Hands.
Tracks 8-13 are another story altogether. They are secent quality,
until the sound gets a tad loud, then you notice that there is
craploads of distortion recorded into the songs. It's dealable,
but can get annoying. It's truly a shame that there is distortion
in these tracks, as bass and treble in them is excellent. The
distortion is overpowering though. ugh.
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When The Whip Comes Down
Probably the best live recording around. It's a soundboard quality
recording from the "Woodstock Fest" (as it says), but unlike Mud
Pigs, this one is in stereo. It makes a huge difference. It does
hae its drawbacks though. As mentioned in the Mud Pigs review,
there were sound problems at Woodstock, and you can hear them
here. :( Sometimes, instruments cut out. The sound quality of this
recording is vastly superior to M.P.
It should be noted, however, that although it does have the full
"March of the Pigs", which M.P. does not, It has edited down
versions of Pinion (2:20 as opposed to M.P.'s 4:00) and most of
Reptile (3 minutes worth) has been removed. It starts right after
M.P.'s "give it.." line.
Even with it's minute problems, it is very highly recommended.
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Woodstock 1994
No Information Available.
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Subject: Re: 8bit to 4bit
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In article <3d10dv$2...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> e...@po.CWRU.Edu (E H. Walker) writes:
>
>In a previous article, Christi...@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Christian Wolf) says:
>
>>
>>Does anyone have a converter, which convertes
>>8-Bit .iff Samples to 4-Bit samples (raw-file) ?
>>
>>Please leave me a mail ...
>>
>>Christi...@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de
>>
>
>Why on earth????
just drop every other bit, or drop 4 bits, then skip 4 bits, then drop 4 etc...
hehhe.. just kidding.
(i know i'd get shit for this if i didn't say i was kidding)
my guess is that you read in a sample (8 bits), then figure out what percentage
of full it is... etc..
read in sample output sample
-------------- = -------------
256 16
so..
16 * (read in sample)
--------------------- = (output sample)
256
it's just a guess. the faster the sampling rate, the better the output will
sound. who knows if this is the best way to go...
is this like for a handheld game or toy or something? just wondering...
-J
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Subject: Re: Prick
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In article <g_rice.23...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu> g_r...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu (Jer) writes:
>Anyone heard anything about Trents side project at all? All I know is that
>the band is called Prick, but I have not seen anything else about it at all.
>Any ideas???
I know that his club group "Northbound Snails" has not performed since
last fall. (Similar to the way "Soft White Underbelly" is a group that plays
in small clubs that happens to have the same members as "Blue Oyster Cult"
and they happen to play the same songs as BOC.)
Last I knew NS was just playing old stuff... i mean really old stuff.
Now I'm Nothing, Maybe Just Once, Twist, etc... I was talking with someone
on the net about getting a boot of their (his) performance from early
august, but i lost contact with them.
I have also heard (through the usual connections) that there is gonna be
a NS cd coming out (from Italy) soonish.... i'll post more details when I
have them...
-J
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Subject: Re: THE MUSIC AFTER THE NIN S
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In article <60.15301.46...@canrem.com> vell...@canrem.com (Vello Tou) writes:
>TD+I was wondering does anybody know what was the music playing after the show,
> +it's was really amazing, just little bit of classic piano and some violin. i
> +couldn't think of anything better they could of put on after the show. but w
> +who's the composer?
>
>Ha! They played David Bowie before and after the Toronto NIN show. I
>thought that was hilarious! The two "artists" just don't match!
THis was discussed before...
Bowie is one of Trent's Idols. Check out the song "Crystal Japan", see
if it reminds you of anything....
-J
From: je...@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Jerry)
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I had taped MTV early this morning in hopes to grab a video that I like
by a group other than NIN, and I accidently recorded "The Grind".
They played "Head Like A Hole (Slate)". Yipe!
I really wanted to see everyone slam-dancing during the bridge... nope.
It caused intense pain.
-J
ps. the autoposting of the Boot Reviews & Quick lookup guids should be
starting this week. (will be posted weekly.)
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Jerry
Sorry about that. i fucked up.... here's what i really wanted to post...
Frederic William Scott Iv
: je...@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Jerry) writes:
: >Okay. the concert was in the Knick arena which is nasicly a hockey arena.
: >The Gen admission tickets were to het onto the floor area. they had guards
: >at the exit/entrances. during MM (which were marginal -- I don't really
: >like them all that much, but they did do their cover of "Sweet Dreams" nifty.)
: "Sweet Dreams" the Eurythmics song? Or "Sweet Dreams" from Yes'
: second album?
The eurithmics version.
Here's the story.
Some girl in front telling them to shut up.
so the song goes.
Some of them want to use you
some of them want to abuse you
some of them are stupid fucking cunts like this little bitch right here!
(as he points to her, and everyone cheers.
It was pretty funny.
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Green Death, or anyone else, so don't even try to flame or sue me, because
I will deny that I ever said anything. In fact, I didn't say this either.
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