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WIDISOFT

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Feb 11, 2005, 12:58:44 PM2/11/05
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Possibility of mp3 to MIDI conversion was several times discussed in the
newsgroup. We are glad to say that we have recently announced a new
version of WIDI Recognition System release - WIDI 3.2.
You can download WIDI at our site
http://www.widisoft.com/english/download.html

We would remind you that the main objective of WIDI program is music
recognition. It is well-known that a piece of music can be represented
in two forms: sound wave or musical notation. Tape recordings, .wav and
.mp3 files may serve as examples of a waveform. Although the sound
played duplicates exactly the sound recorded, it is rather difficult to
edit a record in this form, whereas a musical notation, like sheet music
or MIDI file, is in essence a list of commands and can be edited easily.
Converting .mp3 to MIDI files is just what WIDI program is devised for.

New WIDI has enhanced features for automated music recognition and
transcription, converting MP3 files to MIDI format with an intelligent
interface and Recognition Wizard. The program supports Recognition
Presets for different types of music.

TrueTone Editor is the tool in the WIDI Recognition System Professional
Edition that allows users to correct the results of automatic
recognition with a visual comparison of spectrogram peaks to the notes.
Users then have the options of adding and deleting musical notes,
adjusting pitch and duration, and enabling playback, including
synchronized play with the source audio file. Now, to enhance score
readability, the TrueTone Editor in v3.2 manages bar-lines for easy
positioning, addition or deletion in visual mode, or one can use the
Tapping Tool, arranging bar-lines by ear, using the recognized MIDI or
the original sound for guidance.

The best way to see the quality of transcription is to listen for
samples at our site:
http://www.widisoft.com/english/samples.html

Best regards
WIDISOFT Team

Tobias K

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Feb 11, 2005, 4:48:50 PM2/11/05
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hi !

nice try. but it seems to me that the range of possibilities is very
limited. a piano to midi transcription worked about 60% - i could hear that
it is somehow the thing i put in via mp3 but not very detailed. i think it
could be improved. But i think, a chord-recognizer could come true soon ...
Until then i use my arrangement-recognizer called ears and brain :-D

Do you think, it can really get possible for a software to recognize what
all instruments play ? I mean, a mp3 containing a song with: Bass, Electric
Guitar, Organ, Piano, Singing and Drums ;-) could be "converted" to a midi
with 5 Channels ? Perhaps in some years, but surely not today.

Greetings

Tobias
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WIDISOFT

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Feb 14, 2005, 9:46:11 AM2/14/05
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Jim Higgins wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:58:44 +0300, in
> <cuiroi$v06$1...@gavrilo.mtu.ru>, WIDISOFT <newsg...@widisoft.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>>Possibility of mp3 to MIDI conversion was several times discussed in the
>>newsgroup. We are glad to say that we have recently announced a new
>>version of WIDI Recognition System release - WIDI 3.2.
>>You can download WIDI at our site
>>http://www.widisoft.com/english/download.html
>>....
>
> "We" are not impressed.

Our company is trying to create the tool for music recognition that will
meet most of user requirements.

It is very important for me to know why you so sceptical about our
software and what particular features you think we should add to it.

I have read AMM FAQ section about music recognition, thank you for
placing the link to WIDI. Of course, WIDI is not still a fully automatic
recognition software, but it allows to receive acceptable results after
some human interaction. We also do provide demo with 10-seconds "save"
function and samples on our site.

Among our users there are professional musicians, and, according to the
feedback we get, WIDI really can simplify the task of music transcription.

New, more sophisticated recognition algorithms are in development,
however it takes a time to make them work.

We will be glad to hear any comments or suggestions on WIDI from
you or readers of the newsgroup - you are always welcome!

Best regards
Dmitry Kurgansky
WIDISOFT

WIDISOFT

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Feb 14, 2005, 11:06:07 AM2/14/05
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Tobias K wrote:
> hi !
>
> nice try. but it seems to me that the range of possibilities is very
> limited. a piano to midi transcription worked about 60% - i could hear that
> it is somehow the thing i put in via mp3 but not very detailed. i think it
> could be improved. But i think, a chord-recognizer could come true soon ...
> Until then i use my arrangement-recognizer called ears and brain :-D
>
> Do you think, it can really get possible for a software to recognize what
> all instruments play ? I mean, a mp3 containing a song with: Bass, Electric
> Guitar, Organ, Piano, Singing and Drums ;-) could be "converted" to a midi
> with 5 Channels ? Perhaps in some years, but surely not today.

Human brain is very complex system. I've heard an opinion that it's
functioning can't be entirely simulated with von Neumann computer at
all. However, it seems that music recognition can be substantially
automated. We prefer to use term "recognition" of "transcription", as
"conversion" is not very accurate for this process. But "conversion" is
more comprehensible for most users.

In case you have, say, an orchestra recording, it barely can be
automatically recognized. But most popular music can. Another way is to
recognize only lead voice, without arrangement, or only harmony without
any other details. We are trying to create algorithms of such type.

Current version of WIDI, however, allows to recognize rather complex
recordings, especially with the help of TrueTone editor. It requires
some human interaction, but much less than manual transcribing from
blank sheet. It may help for creating ringtones, web-pages background etc.


Best regards
Dmitry Kurgansky
WIDISOFT

http://www.widisoft.com

Laurence Payne

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Feb 14, 2005, 11:55:37 AM2/14/05
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:46:11 +0300, WIDISOFT <newsg...@widisoft.com>
wrote:

>It is very important for me to know why you so sceptical about our
>software and what particular features you think we should add to it.

The market wants a program that accepts a commercial recording and
supplies a midi-file with tracks for each instrument. At present,
all it's getting are programs that make a fair attempt at transcribing
a single instrument, with a lot of user intervention. The user skill
required is of a level that would probably equip that user to do the
job more quickly completely manually.

Have you got something noticeably better to offer? It didn't seem
so, from your web site.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Paul W

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Feb 14, 2005, 6:11:43 PM2/14/05
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What I want is a "mp3 to MIDI" convertor that will take a full mp3 track -
say Kylie Minogues - In your eyes and convert it to a full 16 track MIDI
complete with patch changes, pitch bend, XG effect, reverb, chorus and drums
in the right place. I know this isn't going to happen any time soon
so.........

Until you can do that I will still do it in a sequencer......

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Netmask

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Apr 10, 2005, 9:38:21 PM4/10/05
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More techno-freak snake oil.
to paraphrase Gershwin "it ain't possibly so!"
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Jonathan E. Brickman

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Apr 11, 2005, 8:18:34 AM4/11/05
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The market wants a program that accepts a commercial recording and supplies a midi-file with tracks for each instrument. At present, all it's getting are programs that make a fair attempt at transcribing a single instrument, with a lot of user intervention. The user skill required is of a level that would probably equip that user to do the job more quickly completely manually.

Agreed.

I am curious how well either of these two work.  They both advertise polyphony.  A few years ago I tried a beta version of the second one, and it was usable enough for me to build a score out of a very complex CD original.

http://www.intelliscore.net/


http://www.audioto.com/eng/aud2midi.htm


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Jonathan E. Brickman                America!  Bless God!!!                http://joshuacorps.org/stuff-with-the-message

Afoklala

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Apr 14, 2005, 3:04:02 AM4/14/05
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Op Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:18:34 -0500 schreef Jonathan E. Brickman:

A rather poor attempt at a disguised spam. Both links point to the same
commercial program.
I'm going to try out the demo though, to confirm my prejudices :-)
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