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Fantasy Iceland

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Aug 7, 2004, 9:01:58 PM8/7/04
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Living With Michael Jackson is on VH-1. I can never get enough of this
documentary; it's packed with so many lies and delusions.


Point #1 At one point when Bashir is showing how incredulous he is at
Michael's claims that he's only had two plastic surgeries and they were only
on his nose, Jackson replies: "..as I remember it." In other words, there
could have been many, many more surgeries, he just can't remember them or
chooses not to remember, which means that he's not really telling a lie. At
least in his mind that's how he see it. It's not a lie if he chooses not to
remember. His claim that his face looks the way it does naturally is so
blatant a lie that I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt on
vitiligo.

Point #2 I noticed that all of his self portraits (the ones with him in a
loincloth surrounded by toddlers) reflect the look he has now as a white
person, not as a black man (if he had vitiligo). If I was burned in a
chemical fire, I wouldn't commission a portrait of me with a scarred face;
i'd want the old image of me to be the one people remember. But not Jackson.
It was his purpose the whole time to destroy the old Michael and create a
new one, and the new Michael is how he wants to see himself.

Point #3 When he told Bashir that all of his children came from his sperm
cells, he looked down and away from Martin. He would not make eye contact.
And he gave a nervous laugh and smile when he told Bashir that the mother of
Blanket was black, which is a classic tell-tale sign he's lying.


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2nz

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Aug 7, 2004, 10:33:29 PM8/7/04
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>Subject: Michael condemns himself: "...as I remember it."
>From: "Fantasy Iceland" Icebr...@walmart.com
>Date: 8/7/04 7:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <10hauss...@corp.supernews.com>

>
>Living With Michael Jackson is on VH-1. I can never get enough of this
>documentary; it's packed with so many lies and delusions.
>
>
>Point #1 At one point when Bashir is showing how incredulous he is at
>Michael's claims that he's only had two plastic surgeries and they were only
>on his nose, Jackson replies: "..as I remember it." In other words, there
>could have been many, many more surgeries, he just can't remember them or
>chooses not to remember, which means that he's not really telling a lie. At
>least in his mind that's how he see it. It's not a lie if he chooses not to
>remember. His claim that his face looks the way it does naturally is so
>blatant a lie that I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt on
>vitiligo.
>
>Point #2 I noticed that all of his self portraits (the ones with him in a
>loincloth surrounded by toddlers) reflect the look he has now as a white
>person, not as a black man (if he had vitiligo). If I was burned in a
>chemical fire, I wouldn't commission a portrait of me with a scarred face;
>i'd want the old image of me to be the one people remember. But not Jackson.
>It was his purpose the whole time to destroy the old Michael and create a
>new one, and the new Michael is how he wants to see himself.
>
>Point #3 When he told Bashir that all of his children came from his sperm
>cells, he looked down and away from Martin. He would not make eye contact.
>And he gave a nervous laugh and smile when he told Bashir that the mother of
>Blanket was black, which is a classic tell-tale sign he's lying.
>
>
There are the myths and there's reality.
Kinda like TV Wrestling....and Soap Operas.
There are those that would believe it all to be true....and there are those
that would laugh at the absurdity.
I still say it's the *change* that so many of his fans object to. It's not so
much the details, rather than the idea that Wacko has fallen and the fan's
cages have been rattled. Everything's broken and can't be fixed, and their
solution is to go into denial mode.....just like their hero.



What A Friend We Have In Cheeses.







John Lucas

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Aug 8, 2004, 9:32:59 AM8/8/04
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Yep. His name is FANTASY Iceland.

Musta been inspired by my recent takeoffs on Tattoo Vampire's silly name.

Oh well people once believed if you said Bloody Mary in the mirror ten times
you would die so what's new?

John Lucas

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Sebastian Schack

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Aug 8, 2004, 10:06:37 AM8/8/04
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On 08.08.2004 03:01, Fantasy Iceland wrote:

| Point #1 [...] His claim that his face looks the way it does naturally


is so
| blatant a lie
|

ACK.

| that I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt on
| vitiligo.
|

Well, I wouldn't want to go that far...

| Point #2 I noticed that all of his self portraits (the ones with him in a
| loincloth surrounded by toddlers) reflect the look he has now as a white
| person, not as a black man (if he had vitiligo). If I was burned in a
| chemical fire, I wouldn't commission a portrait of me with a scarred face;
| i'd want the old image of me to be the one people remember. But not
Jackson.
| It was his purpose the whole time to destroy the old Michael and create a
| new one, and the new Michael is how he wants to see himself.
|

Oh, come on! Let's assume he really suffers from vitiligo: don't you
think it's possible that he just doesn't want to live in the past? That
he has accepted is illness? He's already been white in the eighties -
why would someone want to live in a time 20 years ago?

| Point #3 When he told Bashir that all of his children came from his sperm
| cells, he looked down and away from Martin. He would not make eye contact.
| And he gave a nervous laugh and smile when he told Bashir that the
mother of
| Blanket was black, which is a classic tell-tale sign he's lying.
|

You might be right here... but has it come to your mind that he's just
ashamed in this situation? I wouldn't want to talk to the whole world
about my sex life...

Regards,
Sebastian

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Tattoo "Mute Nostril Agony" Vampire

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Aug 8, 2004, 11:09:17 AM8/8/04
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John Lucas wrote:

> Musta been inspired by my recent takeoffs on Tattoo Vampire's silly
> name.

Since when do your posts inspire anything?

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Good to the last supper

andy

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Aug 8, 2004, 1:05:21 PM8/8/04
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"John Lucas" <john...@coastalnow.net> wrote in message
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> Yep. His name is FANTASY Iceland.
>
> Musta been inspired by my recent takeoffs on Tattoo Vampire's silly name.

Wrong again. Ice changes his name a lot but always includes the name Ice in
the name.

andy

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"Sebastian Schack" <ssc...@ki.tng.de> wrote in message
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> On 08.08.2004 03:01, Fantasy Iceland wrote:
>
> | Point #1 [...] His claim that his face looks the way it does naturally
> is so
> | blatant a lie
> |
>
> ACK.
>
> | that I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt on
> | vitiligo.
> |
>
> Well, I wouldn't want to go that far...
>
> | Point #2 I noticed that all of his self portraits (the ones with him in
a
> | loincloth surrounded by toddlers) reflect the look he has now as a white
> | person, not as a black man (if he had vitiligo). If I was burned in a
> | chemical fire, I wouldn't commission a portrait of me with a scarred
face;
> | i'd want the old image of me to be the one people remember. But not
> Jackson.
> | It was his purpose the whole time to destroy the old Michael and create
a
> | new one, and the new Michael is how he wants to see himself.
> |
>
> Oh, come on! Let's assume he really suffers from vitiligo: don't you
> think it's possible that he just doesn't want to live in the past?

Rubbish. No man black man would want to be seen as white. As Loon once said
,black people consider it a curse if they were to turn white.

Sebastian Schack

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Aug 8, 2004, 12:22:09 PM8/8/04
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On 08.08.2004 19:07, andy wrote:

|> Rubbish. No man black man would want to be seen as white. As Loon
once said
|> ,black people consider it a curse if they were to turn white.
|

Did you really have to quote my complete article just to write those two
lines?

Sebastian
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Godzilla

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Aug 8, 2004, 1:45:57 PM8/8/04
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"andy" <and...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Sebastian Schack" <ssc...@ki.tng.de> wrote in message
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> >
> > | Point #3 When he told Bashir that all of his children came from his
> sperm
> > | cells, he looked down and away from Martin. He would not make eye
> contact.
> > | And he gave a nervous laugh and smile when he told Bashir that the
> > mother of
> > | Blanket was black, which is a classic tell-tale sign he's lying.
> > |
> >
> > You might be right here... but has it come to your mind that he's just
> > ashamed in this situation? I wouldn't want to talk to the whole world
> > about my sex life...
> >
Yes, especially seeing as MJ's sex life consists solely of fucking little
boys. He sure wouldn't want to tell the truth about that, now would he?

I noticed the fidgeting and nervous laugh when he without asking volunteered
that he had had traditional sex with Debbie Rowe and he looked down and away
and kept on giggling nervously. Bashir did not ask him about whether he'd
had sex with Rowe or any other woman. But MJ was obviously so on the
defensive that MJ just leapt into saying he had sex with Rowe thinking that
volunteering that lie unprompted would cover his ass in two ways 1) the
paternity of the kids 2) the impossibility that he is a normal guy who can
form sexual relationships with adult women.

But he lies like a three year old. You'd think after all these years of lie
after lie after lie he would have at least matured in his lying technique if
in no other way. Stupid freak.


Hell Toupee

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Aug 8, 2004, 2:04:46 PM8/8/04
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Tattoo \"Mute Nostril Agony\" Vampire wrote:
>
> John Lucas wrote:
>
> > Musta been inspired by my recent takeoffs on Tattoo Vampire's silly
> > name.
>
> Since when do your posts inspire anything?
>

Now, be fair. His posts inspire nausea, glee, incredulity, hilarity,
pity, contempt, and scorn.

HellT

juno7

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Aug 8, 2004, 3:01:49 PM8/8/04
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you have way too much time on your hands.

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andy

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> On 08.08.2004 19:07, andy wrote:
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> |> Rubbish. No man black man would want to be seen as white. As Loon
> once said
> |> ,black people consider it a curse if they were to turn white.
> |
>
> Did you really have to quote my complete article just to write those two
> lines?

Purely to point out your stupidity.

Shadow

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Shadow

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> >Subject: Michael condemns himself: "...as I remember it."
> >From: "Fantasy Iceland" Icebr...@walmart.com
> >Date: 8/7/04 7:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <10hauss...@corp.supernews.com>
> >
> >Living With Michael Jackson is on VH-1. I can never get enough of this
> >documentary; it's packed with so many lies and delusions.

<snip>

Sadly, all originate from the mouth of Jackson himself.

> I still say it's the *change* that so many of his fans object to. It's not
so
> much the details, rather than the idea that Wacko has fallen and the fan's
> cages have been rattled. Everything's broken and can't be fixed, and their
> solution is to go into denial mode.....just like their hero.

I've noticed this also, and not just with Jackson - although it's much more
pronounced in his case.

These (Jacksons) fans cages haven't been rattled - they're being shaken to
the point of shattering, and many can't stand the constant barrage of shame
and ridicule assulting Jackson from all sides. To them, he can do no wrong.

Fine...however...

Grand Juries normally don't hand down indictments for absolutely no reason
at all. These people are merely reacting as you or I would to a foul stench.
Eradicate it - and it doesn't exist any longer. The problem is is that it
~DIDN'T~ go away, and seems to be worsening on a daily basis.

They're frustrated, and for good reason. The thing is, it's not going to be
able to be magicked away...


>
>
>
>
>
> What A Friend We Have In Cheeses.

Jack


Shadow

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"Tattoo "Mute Nostril Agony" Vampire" <bo...@ddress.here> wrote in message
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> John Lucas wrote:
>
> > Musta been inspired by my recent takeoffs on Tattoo Vampire's silly
> > name.
>
> Since when do your posts inspire anything?

Well, except, possibly, laughter and derision.

>
> --
> [tv]
>
> Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
> Good to the last supper

Jack


IKE TURNER

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"Shadow" <shadowmb...@marian.cox.net> wrote in message news:<3rCRc.16678$ih.10707@fed1read07>...

Shit, neegro. John has inspired ALL kinds o' mad shit.

IKE

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