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Jul 31, 2003, 7:13:08 PM7/31/03
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After Reign, this came out next. It was the first Slayer album I
got, and to this day I still like it. However, after all this time it
does sound like it's going about 75% speed of Reign at best.
After the soul crushing power and speed of Reign, and the solid 10
out of 10 metal rating, this one just can't match the fire.
That said, it's still a very good speed-thrash metal album. If this
were the best any band ever did, it would still be pretty good. It's
got the memorable songs like South of Heaven, Mandatory Suicide and
Silent Scream.

Tom

Allan Evans

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Jul 31, 2003, 9:23:36 PM7/31/03
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to...@abcs.com <to...@abcs.com> banged this out:

Actually funnily enough that particular one is still one of the few Slayer
albums that I can still listen to nowadays, so you could say it's a
favourite. The one thing it did show back at the time was that Slayer were
quite capable of writing "slower" songs and mixing the pace a bit, unlike
some other thrash bands who lacked variety.


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Aug 1, 2003, 5:57:07 PM8/1/03
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:23:36 GMT, "Allan Evans"
<SPAMTRAP...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Actually funnily enough that particular one is still one of the few Slayer
>albums that I can still listen to nowadays, so you could say it's a
>favourite. The one thing it did show back at the time was that Slayer were
>quite capable of writing "slower" songs and mixing the pace a bit, unlike
>some other thrash bands who lacked variety.

Oh, yeah it's a good album. Have you got Reign in Blood? Give it
another spin and see what you think. So many of the euro-metal bands
seem to give a nod towards stuff Slayer did. That and death metal. I
don't know that some of them ever get the right mix.
But anytime I hear something fast and heavy, I sort of compare it to
Slayer. A lot of the time it doesn't compare well.
There is just a large number of "extreme" metal bands out there
these days. It's really hard to weed your way through them.

Tom


Anders C. Nielsen

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Aug 2, 2003, 7:36:39 AM8/2/03
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I just want to tell a funny story.

It was was at the age of 12 or 13 I started to listen to all kinds of heavy
metal. My first concert was actually "Judas Priest" in Copenhagen on their
European Painkiller tour (the first concert on the European tour
actually)...It was one of the greatest experiences I can remember...maybe
because it was "my first real concert", but also because the POWER was
indecribeable...Beleive it or not (Tom) but the album which got me into
Priest was "Ram it down"....I admit there are many bad songs, but I loved
(and still love) Hard as iron, Blood red skies & I惴 a rocker.

Anyway, the story I wanted to tell was this:

I had borrowed a huge bunch of cassette tapes from one of my friends. He had
been in Poland where he purchased more than 150 heavy metal albums on tape.
I have to say that back then, it was a well-known fact that those east
european countries were selling ALL kinds of music VERY cheap. The price
for a cassette tape (including artwork) was $1 dollar or less!!!!! And the
quality was just perfect!!

I didn愒 know Slayer very well at the time. I had only heard "Seasons in the
abyss" when it came out. And I thought it was "too hard" or "too aggressive"
at the time. I really liked all the melodic intro愀 to many of the songs
though. (Dead skin mask, Skeletons of society, Seasons in the abyss)

Well, I borrowed those tapes and among those was "Reign in blood". I
listended to it and was amazed right from the start. The sound was so tight
and so WELL-DONE!!!

The interesting and funny part of it was that I thought it was Slayers "new"
album!! (the year was 1991 or 1992!!!!)
Those tapes didn愒 show the year of release...so I could only guess, but I
had no doubt at all: "This album must be the brand new Slayer album !!!!"
So I went out and asked for the new slayer album called "Reign in
blood".....the person who sold it to me must really have thought I was an
idiot, because I kept on saying that I didn愒 wanted the old stuff (seasons
in the abyss) no, wanted the NEW stuff!!!! (Please remember I was only 13
or 14)

This just shows that "Reign in blood" is something very very special!!!!!

Judas Priest will never do another "Sad wings of destiny" or another
"Stained class" and Slayer will NEVER do another "Reign in blood"....it愀
simply not posible.

There is ONE album from the same time, which I think can be compared to
Reign in blood" and that album is Seputuras "Beneath the remains". That one
is also one of my All time favourites. Very very special....

What do you guys think of that album? (Beneath the remains)

Anders

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Aug 2, 2003, 10:18:06 AM8/2/03
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:36:39 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>indecribeable...Beleive it or not (Tom) but the album which got me into
>Priest was "Ram it down"....I admit there are many bad songs, but I loved
>(and still love) Hard as iron, Blood red skies & I惴 a rocker.

Those three songs aren't too bad. Still, why are you singling me
out? I don't know that I have panned Ram it Down into the Trash Can in
a while. As it is, I like the defiant attitude of the album, but it
just doesn't really go. It sounds a little forced. A metal band
playing metal should sound natural. This sort of fails. However, I can
listen to most of the album if I put it in. I just know they've done
better.

>I didn愒 know Slayer very well at the time. I had only heard "Seasons in the
>abyss" when it came out. And I thought it was "too hard" or "too aggressive"
>at the time. I really liked all the melodic intro愀 to many of the songs
>though. (Dead skin mask, Skeletons of society, Seasons in the abyss)
>
>Well, I borrowed those tapes and among those was "Reign in blood". I
>listended to it and was amazed right from the start. The sound was so tight
>and so WELL-DONE!!!

If you thought Seasons was too hard and too aggressive, I can't
imagine that you wouldn't have thought the same about Reign in Blood,
which I'd have to say is more aggressive and hard than Seasons.

>...the person who sold it to me must really have thought I was an
>idiot, because I kept on saying that I didn愒 wanted the old stuff (seasons
>in the abyss) no, wanted the NEW stuff!!!! (Please remember I was only 13
>or 14)

If you don't buy a CD when it comes out, it can feel like a new
album. I can see how that happens. It's new to you.

>This just shows that "Reign in blood" is something very very special!!!!!
>
>Judas Priest will never do another "Sad wings of destiny" or another
>"Stained class" and Slayer will NEVER do another "Reign in blood"....it愀
>simply not posible.

All true.

>There is ONE album from the same time, which I think can be compared to
>Reign in blood" and that album is Seputuras "Beneath the remains". That one
>is also one of my All time favourites. Very very special....
>
>What do you guys think of that album? (Beneath the remains)
>
>Anders

That is the only Sepultura CD I actually own. Heard almost all of
their albums. But what can you say about that album. It's an assault
on the ears with deadly intents. It's right up there in the top 10 of
all time extreme albums I'd say. The list would also have Reign in
Blood, perhaps #1. Slayer would probably make that all time list more
than once. I mean, songs like Dead Skin Mask is pretty extreme, and
disturbed. It's a very memorable song as well. So put Seasons on the
list in the top 10.
As for filling out the rest of the top 10. I don't know. I'd have to
think about it. And with any list, someone will come along out of the
woodwork and say, "How the blank could you forget this album?"

Tom

Anders C. Nielsen

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Aug 3, 2003, 7:49:12 AM8/3/03
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> >indecribeable...Beleive it or not (Tom) but the album which got me into
> >Priest was "Ram it down"....I admit there are many bad songs, but I loved
> >(and still love) Hard as iron, Blood red skies & I´m a rocker.

>
> Those three songs aren't too bad. Still, why are you singling me
> out? I don't know that I have panned Ram it Down into the Trash Can in
> a while. As it is, I like the defiant attitude of the album, but it
> just doesn't really go. It sounds a little forced. A metal band
> playing metal should sound natural. This sort of fails. However, I can
> listen to most of the album if I put it in. I just know they've done
> better.

No, you´re right: You´ve NEVER said anything bad about "Ram it down"... ;-)
I agree that it´s sounds "forced" or something.

Wouldn´t it be cool if Judas Priest re-recorded "songs like "Blood red
skies, Ram it down, Hard as Iron and so on?
They could do a whole "remake" album with old tracks in new versions....that
would be fantastic.
Maybe I will post that quetion in the Judas Priest-group - It would be
interesting to hear which songs people would like to hear in new/other
versions...wouldn´t it?!!!!

>
> >I didn´t know Slayer very well at the time. I had only heard "Seasons in


the
> >abyss" when it came out. And I thought it was "too hard" or "too
aggressive"

> >at the time. I really liked all the melodic intro´s to many of the songs


> >though. (Dead skin mask, Skeletons of society, Seasons in the abyss)
> >
> >Well, I borrowed those tapes and among those was "Reign in blood". I
> >listended to it and was amazed right from the start. The sound was so
tight
> >and so WELL-DONE!!!
>
> If you thought Seasons was too hard and too aggressive, I can't
> imagine that you wouldn't have thought the same about Reign in Blood,
> which I'd have to say is more aggressive and hard than Seasons.

That´s exactly my point: The sound & production on "Reign in blood" is so
good and so unique that the music sounds better and more clear and more
strong than ANY other Slayer album!!! The sound on South..." and
"Seasons..." is a bit "muddy" and "light" compared to "Reign..." Maybe I´m
not using the right words to explain myself...but there´s just something
MAGIC over "Reign in blood"

Even though the music actually is faster and more aggressive than on for
example "Seasons..." it´s sounds "softer" in a good way because of all the
things we´ve already mentioned....

> >...the person who sold it to me must really have thought I was an

> >idiot, because I kept on saying that I didn´t wanted the old stuff


(seasons
> >in the abyss) no, wanted the NEW stuff!!!! (Please remember I was only
13
> >or 14)
>
> If you don't buy a CD when it comes out, it can feel like a new
> album. I can see how that happens. It's new to you.

I´m not sure if I agree 100%....but you must admit that still today
"Reign..." sounds better than any other Slayer album...very strange
actually......


>
> >This just shows that "Reign in blood" is something very very special!!!!!
> >
> >Judas Priest will never do another "Sad wings of destiny" or another

> >"Stained class" and Slayer will NEVER do another "Reign in blood"....it´s


> >simply not posible.
>
> All true.
>
> >There is ONE album from the same time, which I think can be compared to
> >Reign in blood" and that album is Seputuras "Beneath the remains". That
one
> >is also one of my All time favourites. Very very special....
> >
> >What do you guys think of that album? (Beneath the remains)
> >
> >Anders
>
> That is the only Sepultura CD I actually own. Heard almost all of
> their albums. But what can you say about that album. It's an assault
> on the ears with deadly intents. It's right up there in the top 10 of
> all time extreme albums I'd say. The list would also have Reign in
> Blood, perhaps #1. Slayer would probably make that all time list more
> than once. I mean, songs like Dead Skin Mask is pretty extreme, and
> disturbed. It's a very memorable song as well. So put Seasons on the
> list in the top 10.

Hey Tom...don´t you like "Arise" or "Chaos A.D....?????
- I think those two are very special also...

> As for filling out the rest of the top 10. I don't know. I'd have to
> think about it. And with any list, someone will come along out of the
> woodwork and say, "How the blank could you forget this album?"
>
> Tom

My top ten (at the moment) (- no specific order)

1. Reign in Blood
2. Beneath the remains
3. Sad wings of destiny
4. Stained class
5. Balls to the wall
6. Piece of mind
7. Kings of metal
8. Coma of souls (Kreator)
9. Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
10. Painkiller

Dwellers:

Symbolic (Death)
Tales from the thousand lakes (Amorphis)
Keeper of the seven keys pt. 1
South of heaven
Metal heart
Human (Death)
Defenders of the faith
Seventh son of a seventh son
Manic impressins (Anacrusis)
Wildhoney (Tiamat)
Arise
Chaos A.D.
Fear of the dark
Heading for tomorrow (Gamma ray)

...would be interesting to hear comments or what others have on their
list(s) - Maybe it´s better to post this in the "Priest" group..I got a
feeling that not so many peopkle are in here after all...???

Anders


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Aug 3, 2003, 12:58:58 PM8/3/03
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:49:12 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>No, you´re right: You´ve NEVER said anything bad about "Ram it down"... ;-)
>I agree that it´s sounds "forced" or something.

Oh, I've said bad about that album, but not for a few months or
more. I would have thought people might have forgotten.

>Wouldn´t it be cool if Judas Priest re-recorded "songs like "Blood red
>skies, Ram it down, Hard as Iron and so on?

I don't think that will happen. Maybe a live album, but I don't
think those songs would be picked. Never know, though.

>Hey Tom...don´t you like "Arise" or "Chaos A.D....?????
>- I think those two are very special also...

I just don't own them. Heard them a lot of times though.

>My top ten (at the moment) (- no specific order)
>
> 1. Reign in Blood
> 2. Beneath the remains

The top two looks like a good order to me.

> 3. Sad wings of destiny
> 4. Stained class
> 5. Balls to the wall
> 6. Piece of mind
> 7. Kings of metal
> 8. Coma of souls (Kreator)
> 9. Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
>10. Painkiller

Most of the rest of this isn't near as extreme sounding. I didn't
say top 10 metal albums, I said top 10 extreme albums.

>Dwellers:
>
>Symbolic (Death)
>Tales from the thousand lakes (Amorphis)
>Keeper of the seven keys pt. 1
>South of heaven
>Metal heart
>Human (Death)
>Defenders of the faith
>Seventh son of a seventh son
>Manic impressins (Anacrusis)
>Wildhoney (Tiamat)
>Arise
>Chaos A.D.
>Fear of the dark
>Heading for tomorrow (Gamma ray)

Iron Maiden and Judas Priest don't sound so extreme considering the
wave of extreme metal that has been coming out the past 10 years.

>...would be interesting to hear comments or what others have on their
>list(s) - Maybe it´s better to post this in the "Priest" group..I got a
>feeling that not so many peopkle are in here after all...???
>
>Anders

There isn't a lot of people here, I just suggested we come here to
avoid the children and flame wars BS that was going on over on the
Judas Priest newsgroup.
It has helped increase the number of messages here quite a bit.

Tom

Ian Salsbury

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<to...@abcs.com> wrote in message news:3f29a188...@news.abcs.com...

I remember being disappointed with SOH at the time, but as the years have
passed it`s become a classic. I wanted RIB part 2 back when it came out, but
in retrospect their idea to change things and surpise people was a
masterstoke. If they`d just knocked out another full on speed album history
could have been very different IMO.

-Ian-


Ian Salsbury

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> There is ONE album from the same time, which I think can be compared to
> Reign in blood" and that album is Seputuras "Beneath the remains". That
one
> is also one of my All time favourites. Very very special....
>
> What do you guys think of that album? (Beneath the remains)

BTR is awesome. I`d agree it`s a classic of it`s time and one they never
came close to bettering although Arise and Chaos AD are both good listens.
I`ve mentioned here before that the closest any band has come to capturing
the feeling and intensity of RIB was At the Gates with Slaughter of the Soul
in 1995. A brilliant thrash album, although you probably have to be a death
metal fan aswell to really appreciate it.

-Ian-


Ian Salsbury

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Aug 3, 2003, 2:31:23 PM8/3/03
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>
> Most of the rest of this isn't near as extreme sounding. I didn't
> say top 10 metal albums, I said top 10 extreme albums.

10 great extreme albums--Reign in Blood of course
Slaughter of the Soul-At the Gates
Anything by Death, probably Human if you don`t like the rawer death metal
sound
Altars of Madness-Morbid Angel
Pleasure to Kill-Kreator
Necrotism-Carcass
In the NIghtside Eclipse-Emperor
At the Heart of Winter-Immortal
Deicide-Deicide
De Profundis-Vader

Oh, there`s loads of stuff, depending on what sort of thing you can handle.
I really like alot of recent grind/death metal stuff like Nasum, Gorerotted,
Impaled and Exhumed, but it`s certainly not to everyone`s tastes and to very
few in here I`d imagine.

-Ian-

Anders C. Nielsen

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Aug 3, 2003, 5:36:42 PM8/3/03
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> >No, you愉e right: You扉e NEVER said anything bad about "Ram it down"...
;-)
> >I agree that it愀 sounds "forced" or something.

>
> Oh, I've said bad about that album, but not for a few months or
> more. I would have thought people might have forgotten.


I NEVER forget when people say they dislike Ram it down ;-) ;-)


> >Wouldn愒 it be cool if Judas Priest re-recorded "songs like "Blood red


> >skies, Ram it down, Hard as Iron and so on?
>
> I don't think that will happen. Maybe a live album, but I don't
> think those songs would be picked. Never know, though.
>

> >Hey Tom...don愒 you like "Arise" or "Chaos A.D....?????


> >- I think those two are very special also...
>
> I just don't own them. Heard them a lot of times though.


You should own them....they愉e both a must-have......

>
> >My top ten (at the moment) (- no specific order)
> >
> > 1. Reign in Blood
> > 2. Beneath the remains
>
> The top two looks like a good order to me.
>
> > 3. Sad wings of destiny
> > 4. Stained class
> > 5. Balls to the wall
> > 6. Piece of mind
> > 7. Kings of metal
> > 8. Coma of souls (Kreator)
> > 9. Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
> >10. Painkiller
>
> Most of the rest of this isn't near as extreme sounding. I didn't
> say top 10 metal albums, I said top 10 extreme albums.
>

Oh...I guess I misunderstood....

Here愀 My extreme list (random order)

Symbolic (Death)
Tales from the thousand lakes (Amorphis)

Human (Death)
Manic impressins (Anacrusis)
Arise
Coma of souls (Kreator)
Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
Traces 嵌 red (Enslavement of beauty)
Enthrone Darkness triumphant (Dimmu Borgir)
The ten commandments (Malevolent creation)
Retribution (Malevolent creation)

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:20:47 +0100, "Ian Salsbury"
<i...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> That said, it's still a very good speed-thrash metal album. If this
>> were the best any band ever did, it would still be pretty good. It's
>> got the memorable songs like South of Heaven, Mandatory Suicide and
>> Silent Scream.
>
>I remember being disappointed with SOH at the time, but as the years have
>passed it`s become a classic. I wanted RIB part 2 back when it came out, but
>in retrospect their idea to change things and surpise people was a
>masterstoke. If they`d just knocked out another full on speed album history
>could have been very different IMO.
>
>-Ian-

It's hard to really say. Reign in Blood had made a pretty good dent
in the metal world. RIB 2 might have done better then.
As it is, I think South of Heaven is pretty damn good, and it led to
Seasons of the Abyss. The song Seasons in the Abyss might have sounded
good on South of Heaven, but War Ensemble was a stiff kick ass song.
For that matter, I think Reign in Blood and South sort of are at the
extremes on Slayer. South along with Show No Mercy. Sort of a more
standard metal album. Seasons fits somewhere between the two. Musica
sort of between the two as well. I'd have to say God Hates Us All runs
more to the Reign in Blood side.

Tom


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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:36:42 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>Here愀 My extreme list (random order)
>
>Symbolic (Death)
>Tales from the thousand lakes (Amorphis)
>Human (Death)
>Manic impressins (Anacrusis)
>Arise
>Coma of souls (Kreator)
>Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
>Traces 嵌 red (Enslavement of beauty)
>Enthrone Darkness triumphant (Dimmu Borgir)
>The ten commandments (Malevolent creation)
>Retribution (Malevolent creation)

I don't think I could list a top 10 extreme metal bands list. I just
know there are a lot of them, and like I said, as soon as some makes a
list, the "why the blank isn't this album on it" will follow. So, here
goes. I think Beneath the Remains is more extreme than Arise is. And
how the f-blank can you not list Reign in Blood?
As it is, on your list I can only confirm hearing Human, Arise and
Coma of Souls. It's been a while for the Kreator and Death.
Some stuff I might include probably aren't so extreme these days.

How about a list of stuff you would never expect a Slayer Reign in
Blood fan to have in their CD collection. That would probably embarass
some of us. I know I have some pretty horrible stuff I'd never admit
to anyone I have even heard of the band or perfomer.
But then in an eight hour day at work I have listened to music 8
full hours. More recent I have been listening to a couple of radio
talk shows just for the comedic nature. But in 8 hours I probably run
4 hours a day. You got to have a lot of stuff to make it through that
much time. It also weeds out non-quality stuff. You got to have
something that you feel has that something extra about it. Something
that keeps you coming back for more.
Like I said a lot of times. If you still like something after 10
years of hearing it. It must be good. I still like Reign in
Blood-South and Seasons a lot. They're not an everyday listen, but
nothing I have is. Not after more than 10 years.
I run about a 6 album rotation. Where I will mostly listen to 6
albums over a week's time. Putting in something new, taking out
something after a few months. Some weeks ditching the whole list to
put in a new set for a few weeks.
Once something goes into the big shelf, it's sort of lost in the mix
to be pulled out once every several months at best.

Tom


Anders C. Nielsen

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>
> >Here愀 My extreme list (random order)
> >
> >Symbolic (Death)
> >Tales from the thousand lakes (Amorphis)
> >Human (Death)
> >Manic impressins (Anacrusis)
> >Arise
> >Coma of souls (Kreator)
> >Sound the alarm (Anacrusis)
> >Traces 嵌 red (Enslavement of beauty)
> >Enthrone Darkness triumphant (Dimmu Borgir)
> >The ten commandments (Malevolent creation)
> >Retribution (Malevolent creation)
>
> I don't think I could list a top 10 extreme metal bands list. I just
> know there are a lot of them, and like I said, as soon as some makes a
> list, the "why the blank isn't this album on it" will follow. So, here
> goes. I think Beneath the Remains is more extreme than Arise is. And
> how the f-blank can you not list Reign in Blood?
> As it is, on your list I can only confirm hearing Human, Arise and
> Coma of Souls. It's been a while for the Kreator and Death.
> Some stuff I might include probably aren't so extreme these days.


Whoops!!!!

My mistake!!

of course "Reign in blood" should be on my list
..and also "Beneath the remains" of course..

Kreator haven愒 released anything good in a very long time....

I know taht "Anacrusis" was mentioned in the JP group some months ago...and
I was surprised! Unfortunately I was unable to say anything back then
because my usenet provider sucked big time at the moment...

Anyway, now I have the opportunity to say something:

Anacrusis released 4 albums: "Suffering hour", "Reason", "Manic Impressions"
& "Screams & whispers".

All the albums are good in one way or another. All 4 albums are so different
from each other. If it wasn愒 for his voice you wouldn愒 think it was the
same band...unless you know them very well.

I talked both with guy who made the site and also a bit with the frontman
himself (Ken Nardi) back then...so here愀 the link to the official Anacrusis
page. I think you should take a look at it. It愀 a very interesting story.
Ken has written everything himself. You can also download all 4 albums FOR
FREE!!!!!! in mp3 format.

Front page:

http://www.whack.org/~ken/

Download the albums:

http://www.whack.org/~ken/anacrusis%20media/anac_Albums_MP3.htm

I would recommend that you download and listen to "Sreams and whispers".
- It愀 definetely their MASTERPIECE!!!

It愀 one of the most overlooked metal masterpieces. It愀 not just something
I say because I like it myself and "want everybody else to like it too"

No, it愀 REALLY worth a listen!!!
PLEASE tell me what you think after you扉e listened to it....at least it
doesn愒 cost you anything!
If you really like it you should go out and buy the original CD愀 of
course...

the reason why it愀 all for free on the page is because none of the members
of Anacrusis are in the music-business anymore (beleive it or not)
...and the sales of the CD愀 was so low anyway....so they thought: Why not
just upload the whole thing for everybody!!!

It愀 actually a disaster!!!!!!!!!
i can愒 beleive that one of the best groups in metal history have ended like
this!!!!!!!
Why? Why? WHy?

If you listen carefully to "Sound the alarm" I惴 surre you惻l agree that
it愀 ahead of its time in so many ways.
Even today it愀 still way ahead of its time!!!

Songs from "Sound the alarm" I will recommend you listen to before anything
else :

"Sound the alarm", "Too many prophets", "Tools of seperation", "Grateful",
"Brotherhood?", "Release (remix)"

If you don愒 like those songs...well, then I惻l be damned!!!!

"Manic impressions" is almost as amazing as "Sreams...", but the sound and
production is not as good. Anyway, I think I扉e said enough for now...

Anders

> How about a list of stuff you would never expect a Slayer Reign in
> Blood fan to have in their CD collection. That would probably embarass
> some of us. I know I have some pretty horrible stuff I'd never admit
> to anyone I have even heard of the band or perfomer.
> But then in an eight hour day at work I have listened to music 8
> full hours. More recent I have been listening to a couple of radio
> talk shows just for the comedic nature. But in 8 hours I probably run
> 4 hours a day. You got to have a lot of stuff to make it through that
> much time. It also weeds out non-quality stuff. You got to have
> something that you feel has that something extra about it. Something
> that keeps you coming back for more.
> Like I said a lot of times. If you still like something after 10
> years of hearing it. It must be good. I still like Reign in
> Blood-South and Seasons a lot. They're not an everyday listen, but
> nothing I have is. Not after more than 10 years.
> I run about a 6 album rotation. Where I will mostly listen to 6
> albums over a week's time. Putting in something new, taking out
> something after a few months. Some weeks ditching the whole list to
> put in a new set for a few weeks.
> Once something goes into the big shelf, it's sort of lost in the mix
> to be pulled out once every several months at best.
>
> Tom

All true... I feel the same way!
....very few albums can last 10 years....
I also have many Cd愀 which are "lost in the big shelf.....forever....

Anders


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> Kreator haven´t released anything good in a very long time....

Woah, haven`t you heard Violent Revolution frrom a couple of years back?
It`s absolutely fantastic!

> I know taht "Anacrusis" was mentioned in the JP group some months
ago...and
> I was surprised! Unfortunately I was unable to say anything back then
> because my usenet provider sucked big time at the moment...
>
> Anyway, now I have the opportunity to say something:
>
> Anacrusis released 4 albums: "Suffering hour", "Reason", "Manic
Impressions"
> & "Screams & whispers".
>
> All the albums are good in one way or another. All 4 albums are so
different

> from each other. If it wasn´t for his voice you wouldn´t think it was the


> same band...unless you know them very well.
>
> I talked both with guy who made the site and also a bit with the frontman

> himself (Ken Nardi) back then...so here´s the link to the official
Anacrusis
> page. I think you should take a look at it. It´s a very interesting story.


> Ken has written everything himself. You can also download all 4 albums FOR
> FREE!!!!!! in mp3 format.
>
> Front page:
>
> http://www.whack.org/~ken/
>
> Download the albums:
>
> http://www.whack.org/~ken/anacrusis%20media/anac_Albums_MP3.htm
>
> I would recommend that you download and listen to "Sreams and whispers".

> - It´s definetely their MASTERPIECE!!!


I have to admit I don`t know a thing about them. I`ll give it a try...

-Ian-


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> How about a list of stuff you would never expect a Slayer Reign in
> Blood fan to have in their CD collection. That would probably embarass
> some of us. I know I have some pretty horrible stuff I'd never admit
> to anyone I have even heard of the band or perfomer.

I don`t have anything I`m embarrased about. My non metal tastes are The
Pogues, The Jam, Carter USM, I like a few female vocalists such as Tori Amos
and the odd bit of classical. Nothing really shocking.

> But then in an eight hour day at work I have listened to music 8
> full hours. More recent I have been listening to a couple of radio
> talk shows just for the comedic nature. But in 8 hours I probably run
> 4 hours a day. You got to have a lot of stuff to make it through that
> much time. It also weeds out non-quality stuff. You got to have
> something that you feel has that something extra about it. Something
> that keeps you coming back for more.

Sitting in a car all day for work I get through all sorts of stuff. I also
turn to talk radio from time to time. I`m forever digging out old albums for
something different to listen to for a change. Some of them can surprise,
you do forget how good an album is sometimes. I`ve often dragged out an old
CD that I didn`t rate overly highly at the time and find I really like it
now. Or vice versa.

-Ian-


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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:21:46 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>
>Whoops!!!!
>
>My mistake!!
>
>of course "Reign in blood" should be on my list
>..and also "Beneath the remains" of course..

>Kreator haven´t released anything good in a very long time....

I think the last thing I heard by them was that album, with the
green colored CD. I can't remember the name of the album. It might
have been Forbidden instead. There's just so many albums and so many
groups to hear it's sometimes hard to remember them all.

>I know taht "Anacrusis" was mentioned in the JP group some months ago...and
>I was surprised! Unfortunately I was unable to say anything back then
>because my usenet provider sucked big time at the moment...

I'd swear I heard one of their albums. Can't really remember the
title.

>i can´t beleive that one of the best groups in metal history have ended like
>this!!!!!!!
>Why? Why? WHy?

Because the vast majority of music buyers, you know them, all
morons, couldn't tell quality from shit. A lot of people buy stuff
because they think everyone else is as well. How else could crap like
Linkin Park sell 8 million copies

>"Manic impressions" is almost as amazing as "Sreams...", but the sound and

>production is not as good. Anyway, I think I´ve said enough for now...
>
>Anders

>All true... I feel the same way!


>....very few albums can last 10 years....

>I also have many Cd´s which are "lost in the big shelf.....forever....
>
>Anders

Every now and then I like to go on a hunt through the shelf to see
if something stands out. More than once I'll pass by a CD and think. I
don't remember owning that one.

Tom


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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:49:53 +0100, "Ian Salsbury"
<i...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> How about a list of stuff you would never expect a Slayer Reign in
>> Blood fan to have in their CD collection. That would probably embarass
>> some of us. I know I have some pretty horrible stuff I'd never admit
>> to anyone I have even heard of the band or perfomer.
>
>I don`t have anything I`m embarrased about. My non metal tastes are The
>Pogues, The Jam, Carter USM, I like a few female vocalists such as Tori Amos
>and the odd bit of classical. Nothing really shocking.


Yeah, but someone deep into dark metal, death metal and stuff like
Slayer-Reign in Blood, probably won't invite a friend over play Reign
in Blood and then break out the classical music CD's.
And yeah, I've got some stuff I'd rather not ever admit to owning.
But the Pogues? Never heard of them. The Jam? Carter USM? Nope, never
heard of them either. Now female vocalists, yeah, I've got a weakness
for hearing the sweet voices of some of these women. Like the Lacuna
Coil with Christina. Very nice voice. The Gathering with Anneke. So
calming is her voice. Then there's other bands like Kidney Thieves,
with Free. She's got a sultry voice for sure. For about 4 or 5 months
about a year ago, that was my obsession. Then there's a few others
that are more pop-rock and such.
I'm thinking that I'm going to buy Tapping the Vein soon. That one
song I've heard, the womans voice is entrancing.
As for Classical. I've got about 25 Classical orchestra CD's I
bought for the relaxing nature of it. There's this one classical song,
Festival at Baghdad and Shipwreck (4th Movement) from Sheherazade
(Rimsky-Korsakov) that one is pretty intense for a classical song.
That just to show you that I am not BSing you about the classical
stuff. I just bought a new one not but a couple months ago. Something
like 25 thunderous classics.

>Sitting in a car all day for work I get through all sorts of stuff. I also
>turn to talk radio from time to time. I`m forever digging out old albums for
>something different to listen to for a change. Some of them can surprise,
>you do forget how good an album is sometimes. I`ve often dragged out an old
>CD that I didn`t rate overly highly at the time and find I really like it
>now. Or vice versa.
>
>-Ian-

That happens to me occasionally as well. I will get something,
listen to it once, and then not again for a few months. And then it
goes into the rotation for a long time.

Tom

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>
> > Kreator haven´t released anything good in a very long time....
>
> Woah, haven`t you heard Violent Revolution frrom a couple of years back?
> It`s absolutely fantastic!
>

Ok, I must admit that I was so disappointed over "Outcast" and "Endorama"
that I haven´t bought anythiung since....did you like those 2?
My personal Kreator faves are here in the right order:

1. Coma of souls (The best they´s EVER done IMO)
2 Extreme aggression (so aggressive...so coool)
2. Pleasure to kill (a classic)
4. Endless pain (great classic album)
5. Terible certainty (a very strange album actually...depends on which mood
I´m in)
6. Renewal (sometimes it´s fantastic and sometimes it does nothing for me)
7. Cause for conflict (The last good album I´ve heard)

What do you think of the above listing....??

I will of course check out "Violent Revolution" if you say it´s so
fantastic...

Anders

> > I talked both with guy who made the site and also a bit with the
frontman
> > himself (Ken Nardi) back then...so here´s the link to the official
> Anacrusis
> > page. I think you should take a look at it. It´s a very interesting
story.
> > Ken has written everything himself. You can also download all 4 albums
FOR
> > FREE!!!!!! in mp3 format.
> >

> > I would recommend that you download and listen to "Sreams and whispers".
> > - It´s definetely their MASTERPIECE!!!
>
>
> I have to admit I don`t know a thing about them. I`ll give it a try...


Yes, please do...and tell me whatyou think!
Anders


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> >Kreator haven´t released anything good in a very long time....
>
> I think the last thing I heard by them was that album, with the
> green colored CD. I can't remember the name of the album. It might
> have been Forbidden instead. There's just so many albums and so many
> groups to hear it's sometimes hard to remember them all.

Yes, it´s absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of all the music that comes
out these days, luckily I know some guys in the metal-industry from whom I
can borrow hundreds of promo cd´s every month....but let me tell you this:
There´s a lot of pure CRAP among!

The guys I know are called "Intromental management". Here´s the website.
it´s very cool and very serious. They play an important role in keeping the
metal music alive in this world.....they have bands from all over Europe and
also some american bands (All metal bands of course)

www.intromental.com


> >i can´t beleive that one of the best groups in metal history have ended
like
> >this!!!!!!!
> >Why? Why? WHy?
>
> Because the vast majority of music buyers, you know them, all
> morons, couldn't tell quality from shit. A lot of people buy stuff
> because they think everyone else is as well. How else could crap like
> Linkin Park sell 8 million copies

Yes, this world is a sad place these days......Mass manipulation must be
the right word to describe why the youth buy such crap-music as Linkin Park,
Creed etc...etc....

> Every now and then I like to go on a hunt through the shelf to see
> if something stands out. More than once I'll pass by a CD and think. I
> don't remember owning that one.

...I also do that...that´s a good way to "dig out" old forgotten classics.
I have more than 3500 CD´s and 1500 vinyls.....so it´s hard to remember
everything...but I love when I "rediscover" an old album.....you
know...memories....feelings...and so on.....

Anders


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:16:28 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>1. Coma of souls (The best they愀 EVER done IMO)


>2 Extreme aggression (so aggressive...so coool)
>2. Pleasure to kill (a classic)
>4. Endless pain (great classic album)
>5. Terible certainty (a very strange album actually...depends on which mood

>I惴 in)
>6. Renewal (sometimes it愀 fantastic and sometimes it does nothing for me)
>7. Cause for conflict (The last good album I扉e heard)

The only Kreator album I can say for sure that I have heard was the
EP Out of the Dark, into the Light. I believe also Terrible Certainty,
and Coma of Souls. I never really was that much into them.

Tom


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:27:01 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:
>> Because the vast majority of music buyers, you know them, all
>> morons, couldn't tell quality from shit. A lot of people buy stuff
>> because they think everyone else is as well. How else could crap like
>> Linkin Park sell 8 million copies
>
>Yes, this world is a sad place these days......Mass manipulation must be
>the right word to describe why the youth buy such crap-music as Linkin Park,
>Creed etc...etc....

Creed is sort of a pop-music hit rock band. Not metal at all. Even
with that, they've got more musical songs than Linkin Park ever
dreamed of having.


>> Every now and then I like to go on a hunt through the shelf to see
>> if something stands out. More than once I'll pass by a CD and think. I
>> don't remember owning that one.
>
>...I also do that...that´s a good way to "dig out" old forgotten classics.
>I have more than 3500 CD´s and 1500 vinyls.....so it´s hard to remember
>everything...but I love when I "rediscover" an old album.....you
>know...memories....feelings...and so on.....
>
>Anders

3,500 CD's and 1,500 vinyls. I doubt there's 3,500 CD's I'd ever
want to hear. With that said, I've got more than 500, and less than
1000. I don't really know how many I have. Of the bunch. Probably 90%
of them I will listen to no more than once a year now. I've probably
got 100-200 maybe 300 I will probably never listen to again.
With 3,500. I doubt I'd listen to many of them more than once. I
just wonder how fast you eject CD's you don't like.
Like I said, I usually listen to a CD in the rotation, until
something pushes it out. Maybe I let my rotation go longer than you
do. I mean, how many CD's do you get around to listening to each day?
I may get three or 4 hours in at work, and maybe 1 hour at home.
That's only about 5 or 6 CD's a day tops. With 3,500, and knowing how
little some I own get played, I would have to guess there's hundreds
of those that you listened to once, maybe twice.

Tom


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:27:01 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
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>Yes, this world is a sad place these days......Mass manipulation must be
>the right word to describe why the youth buy such crap-music as Linkin Park,
>Creed etc...etc....

>Anders

Continued thoughts. If I go to a pool hall, or a club with a
jukebox, or anywhere with a jukebox, it often seems like it's Creed's
greatest hits night. So I have heard the songs a lot of times. Like I
said, they're sort of a pop-metal band. A lot like, say Def Leppard
were, or Whitesnake. They just have that sort of nu-metal sound about
them so they don't sound as dated. But it is the same sort of thing.
With Linkin Park, I've heard the CD once, and a few songs several
times, and I can safely say that they did not deserve to sell 8
million copies. 500,000 maybe. The rest is hype. When the hype dies,
the band will be quickly forgotten. Creed, it's a different story. The
songs are classic rock radio written all over them. They'll fall into
classic rock radio format forever with all those other classic rock
bands.
This isn't to say I think Creed is a great band or anything. If
anything they've also sold far more than they deserve to. But even
with that they are very popular. Creed pretty much is Pearl Jam
without the "we won't tour using tickmaster" BS, or Van Halen without
Eddie's solos. Def Leppard without the, well, maybe Def Leppard
straight up. Gun's N' Roses without the Bi-polar depression.
They are a hit rock band, and that's that.

Tom


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I currently have about 500 CDS I guess and a couple of hundred old vinyl.
I`ve sold god knows how many along the way aswell, often have a clear out of
old stuff I`ve not listened to for years or bought and hardly played and
still find un-inspiring when I drag it out again. I also spent 5 years
DJ`ing at my local metal nightclub and had to buy an awful load of shit for
that, all of it got sold when I stopped doing it. Stuff like Korn, Limp
Bizkit, all these pop/punk bands ugh. One of the main reasons I stoped was
because I found I just didn`t like what I was being asked to play anymore.

-Ian-


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I`m not sure that Creed are such big news here in the UK. I don`t know a
great deal about them to be honest, they certainly don`t turn up on pub
jukeboxes.
Talking of which, one of my local pubs on one of the main strips of pubruns
has a newish jukebox with Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, Sabbath, Sepultura,
Motorhead, Maiden - it`s brilliant! Causes some consternation amongst the
other drinkers when I put `em on!

-Ian-


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"Anders C. Nielsen" <dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > > Kreator haven´t released anything good in a very long time....
> >
> > Woah, haven`t you heard Violent Revolution frrom a couple of years back?
> > It`s absolutely fantastic!
> >
>
> Ok, I must admit that I was so disappointed over "Outcast" and "Endorama"
> that I haven´t bought anythiung since....did you like those 2?
> My personal Kreator faves are here in the right order:
>
> 1. Coma of souls (The best they´s EVER done IMO)
> 2 Extreme aggression (so aggressive...so coool)
> 2. Pleasure to kill (a classic)
> 4. Endless pain (great classic album)
> 5. Terible certainty (a very strange album actually...depends on which
mood
> I´m in)
> 6. Renewal (sometimes it´s fantastic and sometimes it does nothing for me)
> 7. Cause for conflict (The last good album I´ve heard)
>
> What do you think of the above listing....??
>
> I will of course check out "Violent Revolution" if you say it´s so
> fantastic...

I`m going to put my head on the chopping block here and say - I guarantee
you will love Violent Revolution! It is NOTHING like Outcast or Endorama and
sounds more like a cross between Coma of Souls and Extreme Agression. My
list would be similar to yours although PTK would be top and I`d probably
swap COS and EA around. Violent Revolution would be on a par with those two,
seriously. Very similar style, it`s one of my favourite albums of late. I
thought Renewal was OK, Cause for Conflict sounded kinda going through the
motions. VR is easily the best album they`ve done since COS and IMO the best
thrash metal album of the last 5 years or so ( unless you`d call Nevermore
thrash ). They`ve just brought out a really cool DVD/CD live boxset aswell,
even the mid nineties songs sound OK when mixed in with the rest.
Do/did you like Destruction? They`re another classic old german thrash band
that have made a blistering comeback lately. Although neither of their
recent albums are as good as VR they`re still great thrash albums.


> Anders
>
> > > I talked both with guy who made the site and also a bit with the
> frontman
> > > himself (Ken Nardi) back then...so here´s the link to the official
> > Anacrusis
> > > page. I think you should take a look at it. It´s a very interesting
> story.
> > > Ken has written everything himself. You can also download all 4 albums
> FOR
> > > FREE!!!!!! in mp3 format.
> > >
> > > I would recommend that you download and listen to "Sreams and
whispers".
> > > - It´s definetely their MASTERPIECE!!!
> >
> >
> > I have to admit I don`t know a thing about them. I`ll give it a try...
>
>
> Yes, please do...and tell me whatyou think!
> Anders

I`ve just played the first song and yes, it`s pretty good. I`ll listen to
the rest as it downloads over the course of the evening.

-Ian-


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> And yeah, I've got some stuff I'd rather not ever admit to owning.
> But the Pogues? Never heard of them.

The Pogues are ( or were ) sort of a punk/irish folk crossover band. They
enjoyed good success here in the late eighties/early nineties, especially
with a duet xmas song with Kirsty Macoll ( I think that`s her name ( the one
who died in a tragic boating accident in south america ( again, I think! ) a
few years back ). They were a brilliant band, fast, jiggy, punky sounding
stuff - quite difficult to describe really. The singer Shane McGowan is
quite a famous person over here, mainly because of his incredible drinking
prowess. By all rights he should be dead despite only being in his forties.
If you look at him you`d think he already was!

The Jam?

Obviously they never cracked the USA. The Jam were one of the most succesful
bands of all time in the UK, scoring numerous hit singles in the late
seventies/early eighties. Started off quite punky but in 5 yers recorded all
sorts of stuff. I loved alot of the songs at the time when I was a kid and
stuck with them. I can almost guarantee that if you go into a pub in England
for a night out you will hear one of their songs on the jukebox, Going
Underground, Eton Rifles, Town Called Malice, something like that. I don`t
think I`ve ever seen a jukebox that doesn`t have a song by them on it over
here. Their singer has a very succesful solo career now but I don`t care for
the stuff he`s doing. Paul Weller, dunno if he ever made it on your side of
the pond.

Carter USM?

They were real big in the early nineties here aswell for a couple of years
and then died without trace. Played a sort of fast punk.electro pop sort of
thing that I quite liked at the time, don`t really know why, not the sort of
thing I usually like.

Nope, never
> heard of them either. Now female vocalists, yeah, I've got a weakness
> for hearing the sweet voices of some of these women. Like the Lacuna
> Coil with Christina. Very nice voice. The Gathering with Anneke. So
> calming is her voice. Then there's other bands like Kidney Thieves,
> with Free. She's got a sultry voice for sure. For about 4 or 5 months
> about a year ago, that was my obsession. Then there's a few others
> that are more pop-rock and such.
> I'm thinking that I'm going to buy Tapping the Vein soon. That one
> song I've heard, the womans voice is entrancing.
> As for Classical. I've got about 25 Classical orchestra CD's I
> bought for the relaxing nature of it. There's this one classical song,
> Festival at Baghdad and Shipwreck (4th Movement) from Sheherazade
> (Rimsky-Korsakov) that one is pretty intense for a classical song.
> That just to show you that I am not BSing you about the classical
> stuff. I just bought a new one not but a couple months ago. Something
> like 25 thunderous classics.

Yeah, I`m warming to all that Lacuna Coil stuff now, may buy their latest at
some point down the line. I like classical music but would be lying if I
said I`m knowledgable about it, just like to put on one of the specialist
music stations from time to time. I have a couple of the famous stuff on CD.

-Ian-


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:11:01 +0100, "Ian Salsbury"
<i...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>I`m not sure that Creed are such big news here in the UK. I don`t know a
>great deal about them to be honest, they certainly don`t turn up on pub
>jukeboxes.

They may not be big news in the UK, but in the US, they've sold
about 5 million of their first album, and I believe it's about 10
million of the second and third, with the 4th one selling about 5
million. Whatever it is, it is a lot. There may only be 3 albums. All
I know is it seems like they're always played on the jukebox.

>Talking of which, one of my local pubs on one of the main strips of pubruns
>has a newish jukebox with Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, Sabbath, Sepultura,
>Motorhead, Maiden - it`s brilliant! Causes some consternation amongst the
>other drinkers when I put `em on!
>
>-Ian-

I imagine that probably would bother people who don't like stuff
like that.

Tom


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:22:43 +0100, "Ian Salsbury"
<i...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>The Pogues are ( or were ) sort of a punk/irish folk crossover band.
>

>The Jam?
>
>Obviously they never cracked the USA.

> Carter USM?

I guess none of those bands made it over in the US. I think I
remember hearing of the Pogues, but I can't say I remember hearing any
of their music.

>Yeah, I`m warming to all that Lacuna Coil stuff now, may buy their latest at
>some point down the line. I like classical music but would be lying if I
>said I`m knowledgable about it, just like to put on one of the specialist
>music stations from time to time. I have a couple of the famous stuff on CD.
>
>-Ian-

I'm no expert on classical either, but I've got a good 25 CD's or so
of it. It is relaxing to listen to. I don't listen to it a lot.

As for the Lacuna Coil stuff, I'm glad you gave it a shot, and maybe
they'll earn another sale.
By the way, they're on tour in the US, and saw a thing that says the
crowds have been supportive. (touring with Type O Negative, and will
do a couple weeks with Anthrax soon) They also said the shows were
selling out. However, I believe it's a club tour. Not the same as
doing an arena tour, but since they've never played the US this long
(about 8-10 weeks) I'm sure they'll take whatever they can get. They
also played some shows with Opeth in the US earlier this year. They
had a VISA problem and couldn't get into the US to do the full tour
with Opeth. I think they ended up playing about 2 or 3 weeks with
them.
Opeth also had a tour set up with Porcupine Tree for about a months
worth of shows in the US. That would probably be nice.

Tom

Anders C. Nielsen

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> >
> > I will of course check out "Violent Revolution" if you say it愀 so


> > fantastic...
>
> I`m going to put my head on the chopping block here and say - I guarantee
> you will love Violent Revolution! It is NOTHING like Outcast or Endorama
and
> sounds more like a cross between Coma of Souls and Extreme Agression. My
> list would be similar to yours although PTK would be top and I`d probably
> swap COS and EA around. Violent Revolution would be on a par with those
two,
> seriously. Very similar style, it`s one of my favourite albums of late. I
> thought Renewal was OK, Cause for Conflict sounded kinda going through the
> motions. VR is easily the best album they`ve done since COS and IMO the
best
> thrash metal album of the last 5 years or so ( unless you`d call Nevermore
> thrash ). They`ve just brought out a really cool DVD/CD live boxset
aswell,
> even the mid nineties songs sound OK when mixed in with the rest.
> Do/did you like Destruction? They`re another classic old german thrash
band
> that have made a blistering comeback lately. Although neither of their
> recent albums are as good as VR they`re still great thrash albums.
>


It really sounds like I should go and get "Violent revolution", huh?!!!!
if it really sounds like a mix between COS and EA.....then it must be the
ultimate.....

Yes, I扉e seen that they扉e released this DVD set. Is it good? How愀 the
sound?

I must admit that I don愒 know "Destruction" (only the name)....it愀 one of
those bands I扉e missed along the way...are they good?
How would you compare them to "Kreator"???

Anders


Anacrusis :

> > > I have to admit I don`t know a thing about them. I`ll give it a try...
> >
> >
> > Yes, please do...and tell me whatyou think!
> > Anders
>
> I`ve just played the first song and yes, it`s pretty good. I`ll listen to
> the rest as it downloads over the course of the evening.
>
> -Ian-

Do you mean "Sound the alarm"?

Anders


Anders C. Nielsen

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>
> 3,500 CD's and 1,500 vinyls. I doubt there's 3,500 CD's I'd ever
> want to hear. With that said, I've got more than 500, and less than
> 1000. I don't really know how many I have. Of the bunch. Probably 90%
> of them I will listen to no more than once a year now. I've probably
> got 100-200 maybe 300 I will probably never listen to again.
> With 3,500. I doubt I'd listen to many of them more than once. I
> just wonder how fast you eject CD's you don't like.
> Like I said, I usually listen to a CD in the rotation, until
> something pushes it out. Maybe I let my rotation go longer than you
> do. I mean, how many CD's do you get around to listening to each day?
> I may get three or 4 hours in at work, and maybe 1 hour at home.
> That's only about 5 or 6 CD's a day tops. With 3,500, and knowing how
> little some I own get played, I would have to guess there's hundreds
> of those that you listened to once, maybe twice.
>
> Tom

I must admit that many of those CD´s are in the shelf for good........but I
do listen to music many hours every day.
But I never listen to a whole CD....no matter which band it is. I always
skip the tracks I don´t like. - Also the ones that are just "ok"...I ONLY
listen to the tracks I really enjoy

Very few albums can be heard end to end.

Here´s a list of some albums I often hear end to end:

Stained class
Coma of souls
painkiller
Sad wings of destiny
Reign in blood
Beneath the remains
Arise
kings of metal
Seventh son of a sevneth son
Piece of mind
Fear of the dark
Balls to the wall


Keeper of the seven keys pt. 1

Human
Symbolic
Individual thought patterns
Manic impressions
Screams and whispers

I think there is too much good music in the world to listen to songs that
are just "ok".....

Anders

Anders C. Nielsen

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WOW!

That sounds like a GOOD pub!!!!!!!
I´ll let you know if I drop by.......I won´t complain ;-)

Anders

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:26:51 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>I must admit that many of those CD´s are in the shelf for good........but I
>do listen to music many hours every day.

The shelf to disappear forever. Some bands really don't deserve
that.

>But I never listen to a whole CD....no matter which band it is. I always
>skip the tracks I don´t like. - Also the ones that are just "ok"...I ONLY
>listen to the tracks I really enjoy
>
>Very few albums can be heard end to end.
>
>Here´s a list of some albums I often hear end to end:

This ought to be good.

>Stained class

Yeah, I feel the same.

>Coma of souls
>painkiller

Not so with Painkiller. I usually only listen to Painkiller and A
Touch of Evil. Maybe once in a while I run the whole album. However, I
never really cared for the last song on it.

>Sad wings of destiny

It's a good album, I own the songs in three different versions. the
original CD, the Best of JP and Hero, Hero. So I sometimes listen to
the other CD's instead of the full Sad Wings album.

>Reign in blood

It's so short, full of quick in and out songs. Even if you don't like
a song a lot, when it's 2:29, or 1:30 or so, it's over before you
realise it's on.

>Beneath the remains
>Arise

Good stuff.

>kings of metal
>Seventh son of a sevneth son
>Piece of mind
>Fear of the dark

I skip a few songs here and there. Seventh Son however, stands in my
opinion as the last truely great IM album.

>Balls to the wall
>Keeper of the seven keys pt. 1
>Human
>Symbolic
>Individual thought patterns
>Manic impressions
>Screams and whispers
>
>I think there is too much good music in the world to listen to songs that
>are just "ok".....
>
>Anders

Yeah. A good list. I could put my own list on here, but I'd have to
think about it a while to sort of think about it some.

Tom

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:26:51 +0200, "Anders C. Nielsen"
<dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:

>Very few albums can be heard end to end.
>
>Here´s a list of some albums I often hear end to end:

>Anders

I thought about it a bit, and here's a short list of current albums
I like enough that I will listen to them end to end. I will limit this
to albums I got in the past year or so for the current list. Some of
these I may not listen to in a few years, you can never really tell
when something you like will become something you do not like.

Lacuna Coil-Comalies
Opeth-Damnation
Porcupine Tree-In Absentia
Evanescence-Fallen
Opeth-Still Life
Opeth-Blackwater Park
Opeth-Orchid
The Gathering-How to Measure a Planet
Kidney Thieves-Zerospace

Now to go back in time, to the timeless classics.This will not be a
full list. On this list, I may not listen to the albums much, but it's
usually a run through when I pull them off the shelf.

Judas Priest-Stained Class-The Best of JP
Iron Maiden-Seventh Son
Manowar-Battle Hymns-Into Glory Ride
Accept-Balls to the Wall-Restless and Wild
Judas Priest-Defenders of the Faith-Sin After Sin
Iron Maiden-Powerslave-Number of the Beast
Blue Oyster Cult-Club Ninja-Fire of Unknown Origin
Slayer-Reign In Blood-South of Heaven-Seasons
Dio-Holy Diver
Pantera-Cowboys From Hell
Overkill-Feel the Fire-Years of Decay
Metallica-Ride the Lightning-Master of Puppets
Anthrax-Armed and Dangerous(EP)
Fates Warning-A Pleasant Shade of Gray-Perfect Symmetry
Dream Theater-Awake
Armored Saint-Symbol of Salvation
Coroner-Grin
Bruce Dickinson-Accident of Birth
Queensryche-Operation Mindcrime
Trouble-(self titled)

Again, this is not the full list, but a list of quick off the top of
my head. Albums I listened to a lot for a long time. Some I pull out
every now and then.

Tom


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"Anders C. Nielsen" <dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote in message
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It`s superb, highly recommended. The CD has extra songs aswell, loads of
classics. The live stuff is really good and there`s also all the promo
videos and a band history.

> I must admit that I don愒 know "Destruction" (only the name)....it愀 one
of
> those bands I扉e missed along the way...are they good?
> How would you compare them to "Kreator"???

I can`t really imagine anyone liking Kreator and not Destruction. Similar
sounding german thrash, Destruction are a bit harsher and Schmier does
scream on his vocals from time to time. Try Eternal Devastation or the Mad
Butcher EP from the eighties. Either of their recent albums since the
reformation are great aswell.

-Ian-


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"Anders C. Nielsen" <dsl6...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote in message
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Haha, you`d be welcome! And the beer`s cheaper in the UK aswell!

-Ian-


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