Is using sheet music unprofessional?
Steve Scarborough
stand and sheet music unprofessional? Or having a laptop scrolling some
karaoke chords and lyrics in front of you bad? Isn't it better to be able to
accomodate the people's request by pulling out a chord chart/lyrics than to
just say "sorry, I don't know that one."
what's the answer folks......??????
Esh
Seen a lot of orchestras do it.
I do it.
Better to get it right than screw it up.
Esh
vanz
mention it looked or seemed unprofessional.
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JimR
so it won't be that visible to them (I play guitar while standing up).
And learn to look up once in a while, just to check if they are still
there... ;-)
JimR
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David Burns
learning, and a larger book with my whole library in it. But it got way
to big and hard to find what I want. The laptop is much better. :)
As for looking professional, I wouldn't worry about that. If you sound
professional, and seem to know what you are doing, and are pleasing the
crowd, that's what counts. The only people who will criticize you for a
lyrics book/laptop are your fellow musicians. And it ain't their gig.
:)
This applies, of course, to general business solo acts. If you're doing
a more prepared show with the same songs every time, I think the book
may be a drawback. For example, if you do a one-hour Roy Orbison tribute
show, you'd better know all the songs cold.
--
Dave Burns
Lowell, MA
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Jeff
A totally agree. I use a music stand and have never had a single
person say a word about it, not one in three years. On top of that,
a music stand allows you to kind of make a stage area where there
isn't one. It makes a boundary between you and the audience. I also
put it a little low and flat, then I put light stand and monitor
between it and one of the mains, so it kind of looks like a wall from
the middle of the stage over to one side. The clear area to the other
side of my mic stand and music stand (usually the right side) is my
walkway for when I want to walk out and jam with the dancers and such.
I am a guitar player and I also stand up and play. I never have liked
the thought of sitting down as a guitar player.
Because I use a music stand and books, my laptop stays out of danger
behind me and I don't have to worry about drunks being near it. The
music stand makes a stage where there isn't one and keeps the
customers from coming up on stage with you. They actually have to at
least walk to the one open side to come up on stage, and even that
much can discourage drunks.
Also, the music stand serves as a place for customers to lay requests,
as a place to Velcro a business card holder, I can let customers go
through my books during break if they want to, I put my picks on it
during break and extras during the show, when guest singer come up I
have the words right there for us and my laptop safely in the back. I
point one of my stage lights from the light stand down in that area
and it works great to light the lyrics. Really, my music stand and
books have become a integral part of my show and I enjoy having them.
Recently, I found a mic stand with a music stand built into it. Now I
have them both in one unit. Really, that's why these things are
made--to be used!!. Normal customers see you using a music stand and
well, what could be more normal than a musician using a music stand?
Never a word from a manager or customer for years, because it's normal
for a musician to use a music stand. It will become the center of
your activity on stage.
Jeff
Joe L
Discrete, is the word. Black music stand, black binder, off to the side a
bit, don't stare at it like you're going over a lawyers contract.Also, the
big one for me was flipping pages between chords or between tunes. (just for
the tunes I needed, obviously you should know the majority of the rep cold)
I tried to make it inconspicuous, but really was a pain. So for me, the
lyric display w the laptop or lcd is the way to go.
I've seen guys with pages all over the stage and it's just about as un-pro
looking as it gets. If you go the binder route, go to Staples (or wherever)
and get some non-glare plastic sheet protectors. A MUST. If you don't, pages
will rip and fall out of you book, first night out. Plus you don't have to
punch the page and can fill it up with larger fonts.
To come out of a burning solo that you started getting into and maybe
played a couple beats too long and then quickly into rhythm gtr, ft sw the
sound, change P.U. 's and the get to the mic again to realize that you
forgot to think of which verse you're singing............could really suck.
But a quick glance at the laptop/lcd and no problem. And that, along with
newer tunes is great with the laptop idea as you don't have to actually
bother to flip the page. The choice to look at it or not is optional.
But you still have to sing to the audience. Something about eye contact
brings them in, or more correctly the absence really helps them tune you
out.
Discrete.
JL
Jeff
I agree with Joe on most everything. I never turn pages, and never
needed to. I always know my chords for a song, my book is for lyrics
only. I use the plastic inserts and they are great--no hole punching,
pages are protected from moisture and tearing. I am not sure why
anyone would need to turn pages. The most I have ever had to use is
two pages and you put them on the left and right side when the book is
open. Not looking at it much is a given when doing most songs because
you learn the words after doing the song a few times, so a glance
maybe to remind you of the words to start a verse is usually all you
need. probably half the songs I do I don't even turn to the lyrics,
and when they become totally second nature I just take the lyrics out
of the book to make room for new songs that I have recently learned.
This keeps your book mainly with the newer stuff that you need a
glance at the lyrics to get you started or to start a verse.
To keep track of where I am I simply use a marker to put the verse
number in big numbers to the left of the verse. This way, with one
quick glance you can pick out the 3rd verse.
Yeah, your book should only have lyrics you need in it, a place for
lyrics of new songs that you haven't memorized yet, and for songs that
you do rarely and need the lyrics. For instance, I don't need the
words to "Brown eyed girl, or "Mustang Sally". These are not in my
book. Once you get in a groove with it, you will probably only have
about 60 percent of your songs in the book. The other 40 percent will
be second nature. My book is just an extension of my memory, new
stuff in, once in my memory good, they work their way out of the book
to make room for new songs.
Joe L
As in while playing & singing a tune you're getting ready for the next one
so to not have this big list of things you do between tune like sip some
water, adjust some audio, set the midi on the laptop, wipe your gtr neck
off with a dry cloth, slight tuning adjustment, etc.....all the little bs
we're not supposed to be doing other than entertaining the audience. Of
course there's the reality of the situation, you might need to wet your
vocal chords, or fix/adjust something but to eliminate one ot two steps is
always liberating. Thus my being a huge fan of SP and lyric
display.....whether I look at it or not.
JL
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JimR
pages? This the main issue for me too, I have found that turning the (damn)
page works best if I can do it just before the song ends, not _after_ the
song ends because then everybody is looking at me! I still have Murphy
waiting to drop the binder on the floor hitting it open and spreading all
the sheets over the floor...
I am considering getting something electronic but writing lyrics into Midi
files is not my idea of a good time. A small LCD on the Mic stand would be
nice though, I only need the lyrics and a few /now!/ hints...
JimR
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Jeff
I have never had a problem turning pages between songs. I have them
in alphabetical order and it has gotten second nature to be able to
turn near the actual page I am seeking. On top of that, the mic is
right there and I chat for a second while turning pages. My guitar is
set by midi, so I don't have to change anything there. It is all set
automatically when I bring the song up. I rarely have to tune during
a set. I always tune up after break and my guitars stay in tune
during a set but for rare occasions. I can have my next song ready in
just a few seconds, page turning and all, or if I am in the heat of
the moment I can always do a song that doesn't require me to use the
book. I can also use the Sonar set list if I want and not even have
to worry about touching the laptop, so I have many options depending
on the situation.
To me this is easily worth keeping my laptop safe behind me, and never
having to put words in the midi files. A simple print out is all I
need do. If turning pages between songs has hurt me in any way, I am
sure that after hundreds of gigs over the last three years I would
have heard something, lost gigs, had complaints from owners or
mangers, customers--something. Never a word and all satisfied
customers. I wouldn't want my laptop anywhere but safely behind me.
My experience tells me that normal people see it as normal for a
musician to use a music stand.
I saw the mention of the book falling and pages going everywhere. I
must say, I have never had it happen, but I would rather see that than
see my laptop falling to the floor and getting broken.
Everyone will find a way to use the stuff that makes them comfortable,
though, and really, that's the bottom line. If you want to use a book
then that can be done and you can learn to be efficient at it and get
all the comforts you can out of it. The same goes for a laptop as
well. Everyone likes to push what they do because what they do has
become comfortable for them. Really, there is no hard and fast rules
because you can usually go any route and once you do it long enough
you get fast and efficient at it and it becomes second nature.
I feel like I have many positive things working for me by using my
music stand and by using it I have become efficient at it and have
found my comfort level to suit my needs. That's the way it is for
everyone with their own methods. So to the original question,
absolutely nothing wrong with using a music stand. use it enough, and
it will be second nature and you have a few good benefits in other
areas by using it.
na
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> I don't get that: How do you get to the next lyric sheet without turning
> pages?
Get showplay.....:)
But seriously, I made getting all the tune onto *one* sheet into an art form
while I was still using a lyric book.
Squeezing the character spacings together, using smaller fonts for some
sections, using lower case for some sections etc etc.
.
> I am considering getting something electronic but writing lyrics into Midi
> files is not my idea of a good time.
You dont have to with Showplay, Jim.
All you do is copy your saved lyric documents into the folder and voila! it
does everything else for you
na
music
> stand and sheet music unprofessional?
No.
jim d
That was what I was gonna say, a nice to the point answer, but there's
no point now. It's been said ;-)
then again, just to elaborate, 'cause I'm home ... snowed out two gigs
today.
Upscale venues shouldn't be a problem. It's the redneck beer hole sort
of place where a music stand might be an issue. If most of your crowd
can't read, they might take your notes as " showing off " ?
The only place where it really might not be appropriate would be, like
someone already prolly said, a stage show or some real rehearsed
production thing.
My oldies gigs.... it's lyrics in the computer. My old band gigs i
don't do anymore, same thing. I don't want to lug loose lyrics or
charts, so I put all that in my computer years ago.
If I wasn't using backings, and so didn't have the computer, I'd take a
book. Whatever works.
jim d
Joe L
. Everyone likes to push what they do because what they do has
> become comfortable for them. Really, there is no hard and fast rules
> because you can usually go any route and once you do it long enough
> you get fast and efficient at it and it becomes second nature.
Most of us that use SP or whatever have done what you are doing. Sure
there's nothing wrong with that, but it's really easy to see the difference
in a situation like my sometimes duo where the other guy plays keys/gtr and
voice and has a book on his keyboard. So he can even flip pages with one
hand while playing. But it isn't at all as efficient as what I'm doing, and
not as much fun.
Plus it is not as easily editable, as pages are already printed.
But it is cheaper. YMMV
JL
Jeff
Just my point. My book offers me to keep my laptop out of the way and
safe. easier for me to print a page, and I never need to edit lyrics.
I have yet to run by a song where the lyrics change. One might say
that it is less efficient to expose your laptop to being out in front,
or to have to put lyrics in your midi files. I can print them as fast
or faster that you can put them in showplay. Same with Sonar. I also
get the other benefits of using my music stand, a place for requests,
business cards, picks, making a stage area. I am very comfortable
with what I do, the same as you.
Before I change, I will first have to find some fault with what I am
doing, and I have yet to find it in three years. Even if I were to
get Showplay in the future, and I might, I would still keep my music
stand because it serves me in other ways.
As I said, everyone becomes comfortable in what they do, and there are
no hard rules. My laptop has USb and audio cables attached to it for
break music, so I would rather have it safe behind me, with those
cables not being run out in front of me. In fact, I tried scrolling
lyrics and it kind of bothered me because they highlighted not at the
unique timing that I sing my lyrics with. They weren't out of time,
but simply not in sync exactly with my timing. Just bothered me to
look at it. Not sure why it would be cheaper to go my way, my laptop
and Sonar 5 scrolls lyrics just fine, so I wouldn't need to purchase
anything extra than what I have. If you are talking about buying an
extra screen, then that would be less efficient because of the extra
setup over my music stand, and again, puts more money out in front, in
more danger.
It's good we can all be happy with what we use. I am very comfortable
using the music stand and choose to do that over scrolling lyrics.
Many others do the same.
Joe L
"Jeff" <
It's always fun debating with you Jeff, you get on the defensive so fast.
You are making a lot of points about the laptop being in danger out front,
yet Richard G uses SP with the laptop in the back, just like any software.
Plus the idea of an LCD screen out front on a stand or in a faux monitor,
via laptop or small format pc is a viable option if the stage is in a bad
spot. But if punters are gonna crash the stage, a music stand with a binder
can become a nice projectile into the rack, gtr, laptop, pedalboard, etc, so
that's not all that different either.
I'm not saying the binder is crappy, but FOR ME it was disrtracting.
Especially if I changed tunes at the last second for a request or whatever
reason. It just becomes less limiting if you remove one step, and surely
you can understand that as you've done that with midi pgm chg for your gtr
sounds. So while that's not my cup of tea at this moment, I do recognize
the time and ease of that.
And now I just put my music stand on the side by my mixer/rack with a few
notes, songlists, jokes, or whatever.
JL
Jeff
Hmm, I was thinking the same about you. I posted that everyone
becomes fast and efficient with what feels comfortable to them, and
you didn't want to accept that.
Here's what I said.
"Everyone will find a way to use the stuff that makes them
comfortable,
though, and really, that's the bottom line. If you want to use a book
then that can be done and you can learn to be efficient at it and get
all the comforts you can out of it. The same goes for a laptop as
well. Everyone likes to push what they do because what they do has
become comfortable for them. Really, there is no hard and fast rules
because you can usually go any route and once you do it long enough
you get fast and efficient at it and it becomes second nature."
That hardly seems defensive and accepts the fact that everyone finds
their own comfort, no hard and fast rules. You are the one who didn't
want to accept that reasonable statement above, and you quoted part of
it to in effect say, your way was more efficient, did you not? Sounds
like you were the defensive one there.
>You are making a lot of points about the laptop being in danger out front,
>yet Richard G uses SP with the laptop in the back, just like any software.
So he looks behind him to see the lyrics? I also never said Showplay
was anything other than software. I said "laptop", and that means any
software on that laptop. I also said the scrolling lyric thing
bothers my eyes. I don't see too well either and having my lyrics
behind me on a laptop screen is out of the question.
>Plus the idea of an LCD screen out front on a stand or in a faux monitor,
Will be a bit more setup than what I do. for me, that makes a big
difference, and still puts something more expensive than a music stand
out front for people to possible knock over. Again, no hard rules,
it's about what you find worth the setup time and the danger as well
as how comfortable you are.
>via laptop or small format pc is a viable option if the stage is in a bad
>spot. But if punters are gonna crash the stage, a music stand with a binder
>can become a nice projectile into the rack, gtr, laptop, pedalboard, etc, so
>that's not all that different either.
Fights are not what I am talking about. A punter can simply throw a
beer bottle into your rack. My point about danger out front is a
drunk tripping or staggering and knocking your stuff over. I have
had it happen a couple times where someone tripped for some reason and
they knocked my music stand over. Thank goodness I didn't have a
laptop on it, or a screen of some kind. As it was, I picked my book
up and my stand with no damage.
>
>I'm not saying the binder is crappy, but FOR ME it was disrtracting.
And for me, it is not, and for many others as well. Do you have some
*need* to claim otherwise? I have already said that everyone gets
comfortable with what they are doing and using, and they will almost
always champion their way. No problem with you enjoying and liking
the way you do things in your show. That doesn't mean your way is
more legitimate, better, efficient, or professional than any other
way. Is this statement defensive?
The original question was clear, and my answer was that there is
nothing wrong at all in using a music stand, and I find it my
preferred way to go. I have everything I need to do the scrolling
lyrics, but choose to do the music stand for a few different reasons,
all of them important to me. Nothing defensive or irrational
whatsoever in this simple statement. It seems you are having trouble
accepting this simple truth.
>Especially if I changed tunes at the last second for a request or whatever
>reason. It just becomes less limiting if you remove one step, and surely
>you can understand that as you've done that with midi pgm chg for your gtr
>sounds.
It adds a step if I have to setup an extra screen and put it in danger
up front, and I don't care for scrolling lyrics. Surely you can
understand this as well. Controlling my guitar amp with midi puts
nothing in more danger, requires that I simply plug a midi cable in,
and all the work to do it is done at home, and it allows me to not
have to setup a pedal board, no cable on my stage, no time spent
changing amp settings. You see, I found this a viable and comfortable
tradeoff over setting my amp on stage. I don't personally find the
use of scrolling lyrics, which bother my eyes, putting my laptop or
screen out front and in danger of being knocked over, the extra work
of setting up an extra screen as worth my time and effort as opposed
to what I do now. If your way were more comfortable to me, then that
is exactly what I would be doing, and telling anyone who asked about
it here that I like that way. I find that to me, there are more good
points about my music stand and books than there are good points about
scrolling lyrics on a laptop. Not sure if that will be offensive or
defensive to you or not.
Jeff
Jonathan ;o}
>This the main issue for me too, I have found that turning the (damn) page works
>best if I can do it just before the song ends, not _after_ the song ends
>because then everybody is looking at me! I still have Murphy waiting to drop
>the binder on the floor hitting it open and spreading all the sheets over the
>floor...
>
> I am considering getting something electronic but writing lyrics into Midi
> files is not my idea of a good time. A small LCD on the Mic stand would be
> nice though, I only need the lyrics and a few /now!/ hints...
>
> JimR
Just in case anyone can find something useful in it, I thought I'd give a report
on my recent experience with Showplay as a new user.
I've had Showplay about three weeks now and have just completed preparing
slightly over 150 songs to use with it, and I have been putting in some serious
hours to the exclusion of most other things.
That includes revisiting many of my old midi files that I haven't looked at for
years since recording them to minidisk and making them sound better, changing
balance between instruments, general tweaking till I'm happy with the result. A
lot of this was long overdue so I'm grateful for the excuse to tidy up the act.
I've then been recording them to MP3 using Adobe Audition to keep the sound I
want from the home computer, then putting in more work to get them just so, hard
limiting and boosting or reducing volumes to get a consistency between tracks.
I've also spent far too much time adding endings to a few karaoke tracks that
fade out, sometimes using recorded midifile sounds. Lyrics have then been added
in SP with necessary formatting to get them to look right as per my preferred
style.
As I've moved through the lists I've speeded up, partly because of familiarity
with the new technique but also because my previous standards improved over the
years so I had less to do to get the tracks right prior to recording.
Daft things have shown up and had to be dealt with, such as today I realised
that the vertical spacing between lines in some lyrics varied, leading to not as
many lines of words showing on some songs. To fix this meant going back through
all the songs I thought I'd completed to see if they needed adjusting, which a
few did. Probably took me an hour but you only do it once, and it's something
I'll check as I go for each new future addition.
The 150 I've done represent the core collection of general gig tracks, but I
have almost as many again that I will add over time which will cover senior gigs
and other specialised stuff, or standards such as National Anthem and Auld Lang
Syne, Happy Birthday etc. If I had to use SP for a gig tomorrow, I could. Next
I'll be pressured to add the girly songs, although this can wait as I do more
solo gigs these days, and I can still continue to use an MD player and lyric
book for a lady singer. Showplay won't make their lives much easier, just mine,
so I'm in no hurry. In due course I want to work out a system to use SP for my
instrumental sets too, possibly with rhythm tracks. Might have get creative with
the sheet music.
As I've been doing all this on the home music computer, the skill still lacking
is using Showplay on the laptop and using it without a mouse, but it'll come and
at least I'm aware of it, it's just the thought of that first gig that bothers
me. It'll need to be an easy one. Can't decide whether to use the footswitch or
not as I think I can do without it. I've enough pedals around my feet already
and playing a keyboard means I can usually make one hand/finger available to
press a key or two. We'll see.
I've put in a lot of hours but although it's felt the same as doing my annual
accounts sometimes, for the most part it's been very satisfying and frankly, now
I've had my hands on the program for a while I know what all the fuss is about
and I can't wait to get out there with it. I can totally see how it will make my
life easier, and it will make me look more professional in the process.
Nobody has overstated how good the program is and the support I've had from
Showplay in response to my many verbose questions has been above and beyond the
call of duty. I make no apologies for that because I don't believe you can be
too well informed. I've also been very impressed by the help I've received from
regulars (or irregulars!) in here - you know who you are and my thanks to you.
At times it felt like I'd joined a secret society! Maybe I have.
To stay on-topic, I've been using my lyrics and music books for more years than
I care to remember and I've never had one comment about them, even though I've
felt self-concious about them from time to time. Of course this problem will be
fixed soon. I think when people see how thick the lyrics book is they understand
it's too much to keep in one's head. That said, all the Sinatra and Dean Martin
songs are memorised as it's a more formal cabaret routine. That was a labour of
love though.
Jon ;o}
ptooner
Me too. I think the choice is to limit your play list to the number of
songs you can memorize or not. I choose not.
Gerry
>
>
na
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> Can't decide whether to use the footswitch or
> not as I think I can do without it. I've enough pedals around my feet
already
> and playing a keyboard means I can usually make one hand/finger available
to
> press a key or two. We'll see.
Cant recommend using the FS highkly enough.
not onlt can you use it to start a track, but it gives you the option, if
for example, one of your lyirc sheets is lsightly out of whack wit hthe song
as it pogresses, you hit the FS and then "page turning" reverts to manual
selection, so that with every subsequent hit on the FS, the page is shifted
down by X amount.
It's a life saver when you get the odd page that is either too long or too
shrot for the tune your playing.
Also, just watch that in the mid options page, you have the FS selected for
your preferred options.
>
> I've put in a lot of hours but although it's felt the same as doing my
annual
> accounts sometimes, for the most part it's been very satisfying and
frankly, now
> I've had my hands on the program for a while I know what all the fuss is
about
> and I can't wait to get out there with it.
I hear ya, brother!
One of the finest aspects of this software is that if you make a folder on
your laptop and store all the bog stadard Tune100 files ( that have been
circulating on the net for years now) in there, if a punter requests a tune
you havent got in your list but you have in that folder, its easy to pull up
that file and as most have embedded lyrics, it will automatically scroll the
lyrics while you play the tune. Ive done this a cpouope of times and its
amaziong how easy it is to dpo.
The other small thing to watch is that you dont have the options set to
"stratt on first note" as this can sometimes cut out your count ins.
> I can totally see how it will make my
> life easier, and it will make me look more professional in the process.
Abso-fucking-lutely!
> Nobody has overstated how good the program is and the support I've had
from
> Showplay in response to my many verbose questions has been above and
beyond the
> call of duty. I make no apologies for that because I don't believe you can
be
> too well informed. I've also been very impressed by the help I've received
from
> regulars (or irregulars!) in here - you know who you are and my thanks to
you.
> At times it felt like I'd joined a secret society! Maybe I have.
Ssssshhhhhhh................[secret handshake]
na
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>
> "Jonathan ;o}" <j...@NOSPAMjonsmusic.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Can't decide whether to use the footswitch or
> > not as I think I can do without it. I've enough pedals around my feet
> already
> > and playing a keyboard means I can usually make one hand/finger
available
> to
> > press a key or two. We'll see.
>
> Cant recommend using the FS highkly enough.
>
> not onlt can you use it to start a track, but it gives you the option, if
> for example, one of your lyirc sheets is lsightly out of whack wit hthe
song
> as it pogresses, you hit the FS and then "page turning" reverts to manual
> selection, so that with every subsequent hit on the FS, the page is
shifted
> down by X amount.
>
> It's a life saver when you get the odd page that is either too long or
too
> shrot for the tune your playing.
>
> Also, just watch that in the mid options page, you have the FS selected
for
> your preferred options.
DOH! Smell checker missed that whole spiel...take 2.
Cant recommend using the FS highly enough.
Not only can you use it to start a track, but it gives you the option, if
for example, one of your lyric sheets is slightly out of whack with the song
as it progresses, you hit the FS and then "page turning" reverts to manual
selection, so that with every subsequent hit on the FS, the page is shifted
down by X amount.
It's a life saver when you get the odd page that is either too long or too
short for the tune your playing.
Joe L
Have a nice day.
JL
"Jeff" <g...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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mach1
>been using a laptop, windows notepad and the xkeys foot pedal to scrowl up
>and down, very effective and easy. Like others I have a hard time remember
>lyrics and this is quite simple, also you can edit on the fly, last
>Saturday I did Young's needle and the damage done followed by words. Copy
>and pasted the song words directly under the needle and went right into the
>song. I have been playing Neil Young for a good number of years and
>basically know these lyrics well but I always like to have them standing by
>in case of that unexpected brain fart that sometimes over takes me when I'm
>not expecting such.
gary
na
"mach1" <foll...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>, last
> >Saturday I did Young's needle and the damage done followed by words.
Now you're talking......what a true legend you are!!
;p
Bill
Boyd Williamson
wrote:
No, but it defines you as either a "show" where everything is rehearsed and
comes off like clockwork, as opposed to someone who allows anyone in the
crowd to dictate what you're going to play, whether it's your best stuff or
not.
I don't like the idea of being a "human jukebox," and don't want to
compromise what I've put together and rehearsed, just because some yahoo who
doesn't appreciate what you've worked hard to perform, is willing to pay you
$5 to play "Tiptoe Through the Tulips."
I work hard on getting my show down, and won't be bought off it that easy.
Zoid
na
"Boyd Williamson" <zo...@z9design.com> wrote in message
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> On 2/14/07 2:53 PM, in article msig1.p...@news.alt.net, "na" <n...@a.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Steve Scarborough" <stevesca...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:YJDAh.1611$yg7.1223@trnddc08...
> >> I can't remember words worth a crap so let me ask you this. Is have a
> > music
> >> stand and sheet music unprofessional?
> >
> > No.
>
> No, but it defines you as either a "show" where everything is rehearsed
and
> comes off like clockwork, as opposed to someone who allows anyone in the
> crowd to dictate what you're going to play, whether it's your best stuff
or
> not.
I think you're making the same mistake, albeit in lesser degree, as rick
when he says "music stands screams amateur to me"...and then proceeds to
justify the remark depending on the situation. And that is the operational
word, the "situation".
In my view, and for example only, Illana's stand is way too noticeable, but
I admit to having the same setup myself a while back. Me, I also used to
have ring fold binders strewn across the stage...my ex-duo partner still has
a book to rival Ernie's, about three inches high, all alphabetically
organised, as system I no longer (or ever) need.. etc etc . SP has changed
all that and for *that alone*, it's worth the price of admission.
I'm sure we've all seen international touring acts who still had large
handwritten lyric sheets( or these days m,ore typically monitors, or
tele-prompts) gaff-taped to the floor next to monitors, especially for "the
latest single".
er and rehearsed, just because some yahoo who
> doesn't appreciate what you've worked hard to perform, is willing to pay
you
> $5 to play "Tiptoe Through the Tulips."
Somtimes I amuse myself and choose to view that situation as a challenge.
Other times I just blow them off.
Speaking of ukes, I am half way thru learining IZ's (Israel
Kamakawiwo`ole's) "Over the Rainbow"...punters love it,and it's a great
version.
> I work hard on getting my show down, and won't be bought off it that easy.
Eh, sound to me like your hamstringing yourself.
After all the name of the game is *showbusiness*....as a wise old man
said.... "find out what the people want, then give it to them, and then
repeat yourself...."