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Jim

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Nov 3, 2009, 12:33:42 AM11/3/09
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I finally posted something there. And it has nothing at all to do with
music. Well, ok, it does but in a round about way.

It's sort of a get your feet wet test, I guess. I've worked out how to
do collaborations over the net. Spent the last few days emailing tracks
back and forth working out a system that will let me do some songs with
people in far away places..... is Arkansas far away ?

Got a system that sorta works, now on to some new music.

So, hey, I think to myself ( particularly after reading some stuff on
copyrights that advises just getting the stuff out there ) .... self, if
I were doing my own stuff, why couldn't I just post it on youtube.
humm.... there's probably lots of good reasons not to ... but I haven't
thought of them yet.


That brings up the video. I've never posted on youtube. Watched a few (
about 5000 or so it tells me ) but never posted. Time to learn how.

It's a sweet little short of me trying bike rollers for the second time.
The first time was a few minutes earlier and funny in its own way. I'll
probably get over my shyness and post that later. Those things are way
harder to stay on than I expected, so even the few seconds I managed was
an accomplishment.


ah .. the link ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqsp9M_evk8


jim d

rr

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Nov 3, 2009, 9:53:40 AM11/3/09
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That's just wrong on so many levels. <g>

Now post some music.

Jim

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Nov 3, 2009, 10:37:43 AM11/3/09
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> rr <rick...@gmail.com> wrote:

Working on that :-)


yeah, the rollers are so much harder to ride on than I expected. It's
sort of the opposite of learning to ride a bike, where the problem is
falling over ( top heavy ). With these things, the bottom wants to move
out from under you. Nothing is keeping the wheels ON the spinning
rollers, and just the tinyest anything sends them heading off towards
the edges ... and an in the house bike wreck catastrophe.


Musically, I'm getting along pretty well transitioning from Cubase to
Logic. Midi functions I have down, been doing that for my oldies gig
songs ... hey, maybe there's something I play there that is copyright
free and I could toss on youtube as a lark ?


Serious audio editing in Logic is still undiscovered territory for me. I
haven't worked out much there, so about all I can do at this point if
something is off is retake it. And that's not a bad way to go really.


Got my gear for this down to very usable. Actually I could just about
use my gig stuff. Nearly, but not quite. One issue is that I'd be
setting it up and tearing it down daily, and that'd get old. Better is a
second rig, all connected and ready to go.

No gigs this week. Duo chick wants me to work on christmas tunes. A-ha,
another source of copyright free stuff, or is it ? Tom Esson did a
holiday cd last year and graciously gave me a copy, pre my exile. Wonder
how licensing worked on that or if he even needed to bother ? He's
canadian, and maybe the rules are different there.


jim d

LoDan

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Nov 3, 2009, 6:46:45 PM11/3/09
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Man, that looks hairy. Why does the front wheel turn? and if you run
off, you haul ass thru the house yes? Why don't they lock down the
front wheel?

inquiring minds wanna know, why why why jim why? :) --leo

dio...@videotron.ca

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Nov 3, 2009, 6:32:07 PM11/3/09
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good vid. just curious to why you you didn't put 4 rollers in the back
wit about a 10 degree up slant on the out side so the bike would ride
in the bottom of the V?

LoDan

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:07:10 PM11/3/09
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That is a great idea!...but it would take all the fun and adventure
out..:-) of course your idea could save the sheetrock on the opposite
wall ----leo

Jim

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:25:37 PM11/3/09
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> dio...@videotron.ca wrote:


> good vid. just curious to why you you didn't put 4 rollers in the back
> wit about a 10 degree up slant on the out side so the bike would ride
> in the bottom of the V?

I didn't build them, they're my brothers. He bought them at a bike shop
in Akron ( ohio ). We looked at some of these last week, and watched a
lot of youtube videos of guys doing tricks on them .... got the itch ...
and bro snagged a set sunday. He brought them over to my place yesterday
to see me fall off them, I guess :-)

As to why they are built like they are, beats me. Some of the high(er)
dollar ones do have a concaveness to the rollers, they rise up some as
you move out from the center. That might help a little, but the thing
is, because of what's going on, the wheels just want to spin out along
the rollers and out from under my weight. Having a rise or burm or
whatever at the edge would probably just add a nice flip effect if you
lose it and the bike goes flying.

They are fun tho, and are one way to stay active once the winter hits. I
rode some in the snow last year, but that's seriously stupid and
dangerous. Bikes and ice just don't mix. Bad.

jim d

Jim

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:48:50 PM11/3/09
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> LoDan <lde...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Man, that looks hairy. Why does the front wheel turn? and if you run
> off, you haul ass thru the house yes? Why don't they lock down the
> front wheel?
>
> inquiring minds wanna know, why why why jim why? :) --leo

It's WAY worse than you'd think :-)


There are three rollers on ball bearing axles. Two in the rear, one in
the front. The front one and the nearest of the back pair are connected
with a rubber drive belt. You pedal and the belt transfers motion to the
front roller spinning the front tire along. The reason for that is so
the bike will stay upright. Didn't someone here tell me all about
gyroscopic motion of the wheels is what makes a bike stable enough to
ride ???

Yep, slick as snot these are to ride on. I tried again yesterday with my
brothers bike and couldn't do it. Couldn't get the nerve to let go of
the wall.


Why do it ....... ?

Well, if you were to ask our wives, they'd tell you that my brother and
I are dangerous together, that we egg each other on to do ridiculous
things. Who knows, maybe they have a point. It's a guy thing :-)


Oh, and why I posted it .... it turned out easier than I thought to put
something on. Just log into youtube, and hit the upload button. Piece of
cake. I did edit the text a few times, they give you pretty small window
for that. Another thing I noticed is that I should have changed the name
of the video to something relevant BEFORE uploading it. It looks to me
like youtube associates other videos by the uploaded file name, not the
title I type in.


So mine's linked to other files called DSCN4053.AVI. It " recommends "
other files with that name. Where if I'd have renamed it " rollers.avi "
before uploading, it would show up as recommended when someone searched
for " rollers ". As it is, who searches for DSCN#### ? Live and learn.

I like the youtube thing. It seems a good way to share gear pics and
such. Yeah, only a few people would care, but so what ? It's not like
it costs much to put things there.


jim d

Ernie Garner

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Nov 4, 2009, 1:16:30 AM11/4/09
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>Man, that looks hairy. Why does the front wheel turn? and if you run
>off, you haul ass thru the house yes? Why don't they lock down the
>front wheel?
>
>inquiring minds wanna know, why why why jim why? :) --leo

Yeah, I agree, why, why, why ...

Why doesn't he just buy a stationary bike? With a seat belt ...

And who is crazy enough to sell him health insurance?

Seriously, it seems like every bike post boils down to:

See Jim

See wall

See Jim hit wall

The man could turn Legos into a blood sport.

Ernie

Jim

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Nov 4, 2009, 1:37:13 AM11/4/09
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Back to youtube .....

I searched a bit about posting copyrighted tunes there, covers. It seems
that recently youtube has gotten real aggressive about not allowing
that. Particularly if you have lots of views.

Now, I've openly stated I don't really like covers in the first place.
So why should I care if they won't let me post my endearing cover
rendition of some crap love tune ? I don't really, but it is
interesting how angry some people get when they learn they can't use
someone else's song as background for their videos.

Lot's of angry people, lot's of videos taken down. I guess the idea of a
free for all / wild west youtube is going away.

And as to living on the edge ... it is sorta amazing how much risk you
can get away with if you just live right and eat your vegetables :-)


jim d

Ernie Garner

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Nov 4, 2009, 1:56:14 AM11/4/09
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>And as to living on the edge ... it is sorta amazing how much risk you
>can get away with if you just live right and eat your vegetables :-)


Ah, Jim ... for most of us riding a bike is not a death defying act
<g>.

Ernie

LoDan

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Nov 4, 2009, 8:31:36 AM11/4/09
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Agreed, reference back to my post about me and my bicycle. A fat tire
beach cruiser with a basket and a bell (not that I pass that many)

leo (r-r-r-ringg) (you kids get off my lawn)

Jim

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Nov 4, 2009, 11:16:21 AM11/4/09
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Hey, I have a bike with fat tires ..... two actually.


Ok, two of those bikes, not one bike with two tires :-)

.
.
.

This is evolving into something, maybe. Watched a bunch of the copyright
whiner videos on youtube. Interesting mindset, the belief that they can
just use someones music in their little films.

Watched guys, and one semi scary goth chick with rings in her lip, cuss
and be all angry that some big mean corporation sent them an email
saying stop.

Then I watched a few vids of some guy who seems to get it. Music is
property sometimes, and owned by someone .. generally but not always,
its creator.


As for me, I woke up this morning with an idea. I have this love of
biking / outdoors, And I have a cute little Nikon that'll do video.
There is also some totally original sweet instrumental music a friend
and I did last winter sitting unreleased on my hard drive.

My mindset may have been wrong. The model isn't to record some hit in a
garage and get a record company to care ( so 50's ).

It's make a video ( do the music and make a film to go with it ) and
just enjoy sharing it. The world is all visual now anyway. A song on its
own seems just half the package.

iMovie here I come.


jim ( " I'm ready for my close up " ) d

Ernie Garner

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Nov 4, 2009, 12:37:22 PM11/4/09
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>As for me, I woke up this morning with an idea. I have this love of
>biking / outdoors, And I have a cute little Nikon that'll do video ...

Can I have your guitars?

<g>

Sorry, can't help it ... you on a bike making videos scares the shit
out of me. I see bark in your future ... or a career as a Sonny Bono
impersonator ...

Ernie

Jim

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Nov 4, 2009, 3:53:24 PM11/4/09
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I talked to the guy I did some tunes with last year, and he's onboard
for making that music into a biking youtube video. We snag the " sports
" tag, plus it gets us exposure for the music. Not exactly pay per view,
but it's a start.

Weather is supposed to be good over the weekend so hopefully I'll get
some video and have something posted next week. Pondering now whether to
edit the tune I have in mind down a bit. Guess that depends on what I
can come up with for video. Hopefully iMovie doesn't have a steep
learning curve.

Ok, frank moment ... I just did a 5 mile ride, Nikon in hand the last
part. For the first half my head was thinking ... how would this look,
would the music fit. Decided the only way to know would be to shoot
some and try to merge it, see what happens. So after getting back on
this side of the river, I did pull out the camera. Now realize, it's
probably not much warmer in Chicago where you are than it is here, so I
was bundled up. Several layers and a pull over " bank robbers " hood
under my helmet. I took off my gloves, got the camera going in video
mode and headed down a straight section of road. Will it be all jittery,
can I really mix music over this and post it ... lots to try.

It was iffy riding a mountain bike one handed. And yeah, I could wreck.
But I wrecked bad twice this summer going much faster on my road bike,
and I lived thru those.

It'll be fun to see how this looks on youtube. And how the music will
sound. Like, is youtube sound stereo ? I dunno.

Youtube getting all icky with people posting copyrighted stuff may work
out nice in a way. It'll clear off a lot of the traffic. Oh, wait,
that's not really good, is it ? As the fun hobby posters go away,
perhaps the viewers will too ? So much for free exposure.

Oh, and I have a project for tonight ( other than getting started on my
totally public domain christmas cd that we're gonna give out free at the
retirement places ). I need to make a " bike cam " mount. Holding it in
one hand and steering with the other is just plain stupid :-)


jim d

Ernie Garner

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:23:52 AM11/5/09
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026JGDMC

I'm sure there are plenty of variations on this theme. Found it by
Googling "hands free video camera"

Ernie

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:16:12 AM11/6/09
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Something like that would be nice. I was pondering either a handlebar
mount, or a helmet mount.

We went out today and did some video. Mostly it's gonna be junk, but how
else to learn ? The snippets are too short, or the camera lens got
pointed into the sun, or stuff was out of frame ... problems like that.

Next issues was iMovie. I thought it'd be easy to paste some clips
together, fade here and there, then add the music track. Remember the
music, that was the whole point of this exercise ?

Well, iMovie is like a big mysterious puzzle to me. I can get clips in,
but don't see anything for adding music in a controlled way. Luckily
there are tutorials online. Or maybe I'll do it with Logic. These big
buck DAW's are priced for the film market, and it will import video, so
maybe that's the route to take. Mix the video in iMovie, then import
that into Logic and add the music. I dunno. It's a puzzle.


jim d

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