I Need an Expert Techno Artist- will Pay$$
Meininsel
novation, re-cycle, etc etc.. I have a small clue how to use it.
However, im just really bad at implementing what i hear, know, and feel into
computer digits. I am willing to pay/hire someone who is an expert or at least
good at creating basic techno songs/tracks/progressions and someone who can
teach me song structure, builds, tricks, and overall what the technical make up
of a good techno song is. I've been listening to techno for years... now i
want to make some killer tracks...
THeres where i need the help.
Mein...@aol.com ---- I am in LA cali..
PS-- if you happen to be a top quality artist is fairly known or has widely
played music, I would be interested in paying for phone sessions even if your
out of my local area. Im pretty knowledgable overall, i just need some
guidance to make a landing in the structure department.
Thanx
Brad
pgough
new, you really can't be "tought" it, unless you are making "oom-ch-oom-ch"
type dance music, but if you cant figure that out, i suggest you quit while
your ahead. otherwise, start making something, the only way to learn is to
DO IT! in escence YOU are a techno expert! read these posts, maybe put your
music on mp3.com and see what people say about it, teach yourself!
"Meininsel" <mein...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Tom Brady
pgough wrote:
> techno is still brand new
LOL! Oh my god, that is so off. I like techno as much as the rest of ya, but
it's not new. Can we say DETROIT? 1980s? Need I say more? No
Drazen Plavec
Meininsel wrote:
> I have a studio: Cubase, trinity, mpc, protools, jp-8000, MTP-AV, o3d,
> novation, re-cycle, etc etc.. I have a small clue how to use it.
> However, im just really bad at implementing what i hear, know, and feel into
> computer digits. I am willing to pay/hire someone who is an expert or at least
> good at creating basic techno songs/tracks/progressions and someone who can
> teach me song structure, builds, tricks, and overall what the technical make up
> of a good techno song is. I've been listening to techno for years... now i
> want to make some killer tracks...
> THeres where i need the help.
>
> Mein...@aol.com ---- I am in LA cali..
>
> PS-- if you happen to be a top quality artist is fairly known or has widely
> played music, I would be interested in paying for phone sessions even if your
> out of my local area. Im pretty knowledgable overall, i just need some
> guidance to make a landing in the structure department.
>
> Thanx
> Brad
Start create songs...just pull the trigger. First hundred of your won't be good but
you'' catch the vibe.
No one can teach you to make good techno songs,'cause techno has no final
definition, yet. Techno is electronic music that sounds good, pioneer's ground.
And...you do have great sound sources.
Check out my work, I didn't have any teacher and I had songs reviewed in mags.
DraXX
(www.mp3.com/draxx)
pgough
its existence in reecent history, but it is as "new" as computers, and you
DO need say more! try the disneyworld fantasy-land electronic parade late
70's! dont get snooty, imageneers at disneyworld sequenced analogue synths
several years before the 80's scene in detroit, you also dont have the right
to be so snooty, unless you were there! hehe!(kidding) but do you understand
what i mean by "new"?
ameoba
>I have a studio: Cubase, trinity, mpc, protools, jp-8000, MTP-AV, o3d,
>novation, re-cycle, etc etc.. I have a small clue how to use it.
No wonder you're having trouble figuring it out, look at all that
stuff you've got. Have you ever made music, of any type before?
You'll be running arround like a chicken w/ it's head cut off trying
to figure what piece of equipment to use for what.
Your best bet would be to box up most of that stuff and spend some
time getting to know one particular piece really well. I'd probably
go with either the mpc (and your wave editors) or the trinity. Spend
a month or two doing it, read the manuals, get a good idea of what can
and can't be done on each piece.
If you find yourself with extra time:
a) Hunt down and serious injure the salesperson who sold a
newbie all that shit
b) send me some of the excess gear; I won't charge you for
stoorage...
pgough
c)ignore b and send ME gear!
d)use baseball bat to proceed with a
e)listen to ameoba, thats a really good idea!
Slash
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>
>pgough wrote:
>
>> techno is still brand new
>
>LOL! Oh my god, that is so off. I like techno as much as the rest of ya, but
>it's not new. Can we say DETROIT? 1980s? Need I say more? No
Kraftwerk, late 60's, to a degree.
-Slash
"The people on the internet know more about what I am doing than I do.
Like, they will say that I am going to be in this mall on this day
and sure enough I am there."
- Tori Amos, Dew Drop Inn Tour, 17-June-1996
pgough
going back that far it isnt brand new, but late 70's early 80's is new
darn-it! were just so used to seeing things go by so fast with technology
and all! and anyways people are still using the old analogues, techno's just
been born and is just starting to gain momentum, we are cursed to live in
interesting times!
Drazen Plavec
pgough wrote:
> haha! i still win! Dr. who theme song 50's (ummm... sort of techno). ok,
> going back that far it isnt brand new, but late 70's early 80's is new
> darn-it! were just so used to seeing things go by so fast with technology
> and all! and anyways people are still using the old analogues, techno's just
> been born and is just starting to gain momentum, we are cursed to live in
> interesting times!
Techno is still fresh, there are bunch of enthusiasts involved in it, and it is
the cutting edge of electronic music, because it's still a free form.
BTW, word techno in THIS meaning was first mentioned, and published, in May
1988, in an news article about Detroit electronic scene.
DraXX
pgough
since we know the first time the word techno was "officially" used was in 88
(as far as i know) then to say anything that predates 88 to be techno is to
make an assumption based on opinion. however putting a definition on music
is as hard as putting a definition on PHYSICAL art. like the dada-ist and
surrealist movements (my personal favorites) although one artist would be
considered dadaist, and another surrealist, if you were to take 50 dadaist
and surrealist paintings, manifesto's, poems, literature, sculptures (etc.
etc...) distinguishing them, unless you had that pretentious "ive studied
art for 90,000 years and know the creator of every painting by heart"
knowledge, would be absolutely impossible (im full aware that there is some
definition to surrealism, but its crap). electronic music seems to be
similar to an art movement in many ways, rejection of traditional
instruments, and no holds on innovation, i see a fine line between the
typical pop dance and the... hmmm... other stuff i like. thats an opinion,
of course. (there are some little kids in my back yard chasing a goose with
plastic baseball bats, hehe, the goose is bigger than them, i miss being
little!) anyway techno is techno in the eye of the beholder, i guess i see
it as being new, because its really just taking foot, and music has been
around since... well... since prehistoric man beat the skulls of dead
buffalo with a rock for his amusement(im not sure actually) im sure that
someone has some info of about when music was music and not just
dead-animal-beating, wow, off topic! but hey, this is getting interesting!
lets keep this discussion going! sorry again for the off topic-ness.(new
word)
"Drazen Plavec" <drazen...@zg.tel.hr> wrote in message
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Tom Brady
date, but "techno" is such a broad, vague word... we need new words. The way I
was looking at techno when I started this giant discussion, was the electronic
dance music starting in detroit and chicago in the 80s. I don't really consider
Kraftwerk techno (oh my God, you people are gonna kill me now) because it's more
like electronic pop music. It's so teutonic... I don't think Kraftwerk really
gave electronic music the kind of soul that Juan Atkins, Derrick May, and Kevin
Saunderson did in Detroit. Or even Afrika Bambaata for that matter
pgough
the samshing pumpkins, and a few others (im going to get hurt, aren't i?).
most of the "techno"(ill never be able to use the word again with "qoutes")
that i listen to is what comes out the monitors. i am very aware of "whats
going on" i guess, i listen to your aphex twin squarepusher, spring healed
jack, 808 state etc., but id just rather work on my own stuff, try to do
something neat. i have heard of kraftwork a few times, but have not actually
heard them at all. but to the point: techno is very broad and vague(in a
way, i will contradict myself...), and as you are all well aware has been
broken down to acid, trance, jungle, etc, etc, etc, etc, and then every
combination of the words tangable. i can't stand music that people have
decided will be "house" or "ambient" or "trance" or "jungle", it gets to the
point were its just putting a new spin on something thats been done! "but
underworld didnt put the snare in the middle there before the bass kick", i
can see some 22 year-old, dj turned-303-acid-producer saying, who just spent
1500 for his pretty little silver box (nothing against dj's; spooky rules;
and please dont crucify me for putting down the 303). so whats the point to
all this (seemingly) meaningless babble? i disagree, i dont think that
techno is broad, it may cover alot, but it seems like these little subgroups
are becoming molds for people to make music by! this totally ruins what i
see (and this is my opinion) to be the graetest apeal to techno, its
pure-ness in its being brand new(and, in a way undefined)(i just looked over
this, i said a couple things people dont like to hear on these news groups
so please, if your going to pollute my inbox, put: "flame" as the title, so
i can sort it easier =)
pgough
"A harsh necessity without discipline or morality and we spit on humanity.
Dada remains within the European fram of weaknesses it's shit after all but
from now on we mean to shit in assorted colors and bedeck the artistic zoo
with the flags of every consulate
We are circus directors whistling amid the winds of carnivals convents bawdy
houses theaters realities sentiments restaurants HoHiHoHo Bang"
i just posted something along the lines of the definition. yes, using it in
the context you imply does make thigs a little easier, perhaps i shall stop
using the word "techno" and find a word that suits me more, my thought:
definitions suck. i can say what i like and what i dont like, but i cant put
music into categorys other than noise and music, and even then its a fuzzy
line, for example: i went on a walk today, it is rainy as usual, there is a
pond and a wood in my backyard, so i walked along there, the sounds outside
are absolutey beautiful! the birds, the light rain pitter-pattering on my
ear, the cool spring smell, i was barraged with this overwhelming beauty! it
was, in my thought, music. could it be techno? what if these animals were
machines? the presidents in disney world always fooled me, they very well
could be machines! hehe.
> Tristan Tzara is in da house !!!
> Like surrealists considered D.A.F. de Sade and Rimbault as "theirs",
although
> they lived hundred years before, in the same way techno takes similar
artists
> from before as the beginning of the line.
> You can't define techno as you can not define anything in the world
totally
> right... but the aim is to make distinction to other things.
> So, I feel techno as post-1988 4/4 electronic music form...and the fact
that the
> word techno is still used so much means that it is a right word.
>
> "Techno music isn't for followers
> It's for innovators..."
> Jeff Mills
>
>
Drazen Plavec
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"ameoba" <ahm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 Apr 2000 08:42:26 GMT, mein...@aol.com (Meininsel) wrote:
>