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"Dark Passages" / Will Dockery (w/ Mallard & Snipe)
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Will Dockery
Dec 8, 2011, 1:00:51 PM12/8/11
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George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
<snip for focus & relevance>
> > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phrases, and at
> > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few good phrases.
> > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would actually be
> > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its present state,
> > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what can be
> observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit himself as the
> author.
If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if he
does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "She
Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Karma
Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously I would
ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
placement to George, though.
> See below.
>
> >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
>
> "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another/ poem, using
> keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in the middle, and
> > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transformative
> Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famous for with such
> poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
>
> http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c70b91746...
>
> Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of my poetry,
> which he calls "pastiche":
>
> http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
>
> *****************
> Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adaptation) Posted
> on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinions on this
> "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. When
> someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request they
> give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by Will
> Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar to this:
>
> http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tightpastiche/3
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
>
> She Sleeps Tight
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
>
> Won't be long,
> until I see her face.
> She's waiting
> in an undisclosed place.
> I've been conspired
> banned from my muse.
>
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
>
> In Salem town
> she keeps her chin so high.
> Darkened breeze
> she smiles as I roll by.
> Step inside
> she looks for tables left.
>
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> Like a Steamboat
> she plans to roll on down.
> To the Gulf
> out of this dirty town.
> Copper mesh
> kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
>
> We know him
> eye deed by his ship.
> In a trap
> a kind of goosechase trip.
> Whiskey fumes
> and stale gunsmoke.
>
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> -Will Dockery (words)
>
> Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he calls a
> Pastisch:
>
> "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> drowned copper fumes and knives
> stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> Your self turning from wine to water.
> Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgement as to
> when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "thief", right?
<snip for brevity>
> Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-progress:
>
> "Dark passages"
Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording in the
studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher on
where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of the
working poem/lyric sheet:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=wX#102897660733515052311/posts
(and/or if that link isn't working):
https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesWillDockery#5683811688311484194
"Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
2011.
<snip for focus & relevance>
> > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phrases, and at
> > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few good phrases.
> > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would actually be
> > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its present state,
> > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what can be
> observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit himself as the
> author.
If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if he
does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "She
Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Karma
Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously I would
ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
placement to George, though.
> See below.
>
> >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
>
> "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another/ poem, using
> keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in the middle, and
> > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transformative
> Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famous for with such
> poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
>
> http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c70b91746...
>
> Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of my poetry,
> which he calls "pastiche":
>
> http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
>
> *****************
> Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adaptation) Posted
> on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinions on this
> "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. When
> someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request they
> give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by Will
> Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar to this:
>
> http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tightpastiche/3
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
>
> She Sleeps Tight
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
>
> Won't be long,
> until I see her face.
> She's waiting
> in an undisclosed place.
> I've been conspired
> banned from my muse.
>
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
>
> In Salem town
> she keeps her chin so high.
> Darkened breeze
> she smiles as I roll by.
> Step inside
> she looks for tables left.
>
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> Like a Steamboat
> she plans to roll on down.
> To the Gulf
> out of this dirty town.
> Copper mesh
> kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
>
> We know him
> eye deed by his ship.
> In a trap
> a kind of goosechase trip.
> Whiskey fumes
> and stale gunsmoke.
>
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> -Will Dockery (words)
>
> Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he calls a
> Pastisch:
>
> "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> drowned copper fumes and knives
> stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> Your self turning from wine to water.
> Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgement as to
> when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "thief", right?
<snip for brevity>
> Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-progress:
>
> "Dark passages"
Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording in the
studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher on
where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of the
working poem/lyric sheet:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=wX#102897660733515052311/posts
(and/or if that link isn't working):
https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesWillDockery#5683811688311484194
"Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
2011.
Hieronymous707
Dec 9, 2011, 5:17:54 AM12/9/11
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>
> "Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
> song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
> 2011.
Add unintelligible to illegible, and you get sum real "Dark Passages".
> "Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
> song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
> 2011.
LOL.
Will Dockery
Dec 9, 2011, 12:43:36 PM12/9/11
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On Dec 9, 5:17 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully the finished product, currently being polished in the
studio, will transcend and transform from that dire strait...
--
Music & poetry:
https://will-dockery-and-friends.soundawesome.com/
studio, will transcend and transform from that dire strait...
--
Music & poetry:
https://will-dockery-and-friends.soundawesome.com/
Hieronymous707
Dec 10, 2011, 3:10:38 AM12/10/11
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if you came here for Christmas.
Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2011, 10:47:16 AM12/14/11
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> You could break it up like if you took a break and brought it with you
> if you came here for Christmas.
Would truly love to, if it wasn't presently impossible... rain check
> if you came here for Christmas.
for a future year, perhaps?
In fantasy & imagination it already seems to been happening, in
"snapshots" I see, of my version of your reality... if that makes a
lick of sense to you.
--
Under the Radar & other story-song-poems:
https://will-dockery-and-friends.soundawesome.com/
Hieronymous707
Dec 15, 2011, 7:02:14 AM12/15/11
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barely know what I'm doing now. There's no way I can tell you for sure
where I'll be or what I'll be doing next, or any subsequent year. I'm
not even sure I'll be here, in this group, in this house, in this
body. Life offers only one guarantee; it will pass with time.
As to just a lick of sense, I'll
Send to you this present. Tensile
Strength the length of that you see
Adorning this. A Christmas tree
Like icon I can represent
In rhyme, as I o'pine on scents.
Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2011, 8:53:45 PM12/15/11
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> As to just a lick of sense, I'll
> Send to you this present. Tensile
> Strength the length of that you see
> Adorning this. A Christmas tree
> Like icon I can represent
> In rhyme, as I o'pine on scents.
sampled with Wildman & Bibb City entourage at Hogbottom, makes the
process new and enjoyable.
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