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Tony Wesley

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May 6, 2005, 1:26:36 AM5/6/05
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I was wondering what the group thinks about this. What song grabs you
and make you feel like you might be reaching for the tissue?

I have my pick but I'll hold onto it for a bit. But let me bring up my
choice for honorable mention, "If You Could Read My Mind". Gordon is
such a genius, he wrote a song about my ex-wife and me. More
impressive, he managed to do it more than a decade before I met her. I
used to buy her the Danielle Steele books as soon as they hit
paperback.

But as he wrote, "...the ending's just too hard to take."

So which song really grips *you*?

Derek

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May 6, 2005, 1:29:01 AM5/6/05
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"Looking at the Rain" would be one. "Harmony" would be the other.
Derek

"Parking is such sweet sorrow."
--Herb Caen

meason...@wmconnect.com

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May 6, 2005, 3:40:07 AM5/6/05
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"On the High Seas" is my choice. I'm glad to hear it's being performed
again in his concerts.

Wondering....why was the title changed from "On the T.V.", which is
what I heard in a performance many,many moons ago.

Ron M.

Jack Gillen

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"Tony Wesley" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"I'm Not Supposed To Care"

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"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis
>


Bru

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May 6, 2005, 4:45:48 AM5/6/05
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'I'm not s'posed to care' and 'Looking at the Rain'.
Bru

Shirley

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May 6, 2005, 7:09:26 AM5/6/05
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>>>So which song really grips *you*?

If There's A Reason

mcarl-at-cablespeed.com

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May 6, 2005, 7:31:07 AM5/6/05
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Yup. Looking at the Rain

Cathy Cowette

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"Tony Wesley" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The Last Time I Saw Her Face.
I used to think it was about a woman who died, but it's about the death of a
relationship, and Gord says it's much like IYCRMM.

If Children Had Wings is also a tear jerker.

Cathy
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Ed Mullen

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May 6, 2005, 8:37:11 AM5/6/05
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Tony Wesley wrote:

Well, my pick would probably be Looking At the Rain. But my wife's
choice would undoubtedly be Blackberry Wine. Whenever she hears it
start she cringes and says: "That is a really sad excuse for a song!" :-D

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Char

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May 6, 2005, 11:09:32 AM5/6/05
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with tomorrow being the 60th anniversary (may 7/45) of the end of the second
world war I've been watching and reading coverage of the events being held
in Poland and The Netherlands etc with many elderly Canadian veterans in
attendance I think of "Leaves of Grass", "The Patriot's Dream", and "The
Lost Children"...

"Their laughter filled the countryside but they'll not laugh again."

Char
we shall not forget.
Peace


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Kimberly

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May 6, 2005, 11:20:33 AM5/6/05
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‘Clouds of Loneliness’

The acoustic version of ‘Stone Cold Sober’, certainly brings tears to my eyes, but undoubtedly ‘Looking at the Rain’  and ‘Bells of Evening’ have been my friends while shedding some tears.
Kimberly

Richard Bancroft

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May 6, 2005, 1:16:44 PM5/6/05
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The Last Time I saw Her Face is my pick also for his saddest song. I've
always felt that this was his best written song for the imagery and emotions
that it makes the listener see and feel.

The imagery of the last verse just blows me away.

"The last time she kissed my cheek
her lips were like the wilted leaves
upon the autumn covered hills
resting on the frozen ground
the seeds of love lie cold and still
beneath the battered marking stone. . .
. . . that lies forgotten."

Gets me every time! Probably because I relate this song to an intense
relationship I once had that ended just like the song. 'nuff said.

Pete

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May 6, 2005, 1:55:01 PM5/6/05
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"The Last Time I Saw Her Face" is so sad, that I often avoid listening
to it, when it comes up next on one of my GL cassettes. Second saddest
would be "That Same Old Obsession".

Sad, but more bearable: "Sweet Guinevere", "Mother of a Miner's Child",
"Bells of the Evening".

"If You Could Read My Mind" gives me an optimistic good feeling instead
of a sad one.

Pete Sch., Salzburg, Austria

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drb...@sbcglobal.net

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May 6, 2005, 5:15:19 PM5/6/05
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"Too Late For Prayin'" and "Circle of Steel" are always good for a sniffle
on my part.

donnie


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drb...@sbcglobal.net

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May 6, 2005, 5:17:19 PM5/6/05
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Me again. I forgot about “Leaves of Grass”. That one always brings a sniffle too.

Donnie

n1xtv

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"Tony Wesley" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was wondering what the group thinks about this. What song grabs you
> and make you feel like you might be reaching for the tissue?
<snip>

No one has yet named "Now and Then", my choice for saddest: "Here among my
thoughts of you I find a gentle longing to be free. There must be a way out
of this crazy game we play out 'til the end."

Michael


Janice

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May 6, 2005, 7:26:04 PM5/6/05
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"Looking At The Rain" is my pick. That has got to be one of the most
lonesome songs I've ever heard. Listening to it always makes me feel
reflective and misty. Oddly enough, I'm one of those odd balls who love
sad/lonesome songs even better than upbeat, happy ones.

Another song that makes me a bit misty is one that I'm sure most people
wouldn't think of as sad - "Go My Way" I know many people think the narrator
is being egotistical in suggesting that his way is the only way, period. I
don't hear it that way. To me the narrator is pleading with the person he
loves, to please understand that he can not be any more than he is, pleading
for her to accept that and share the bounty the world has to offer two
people in love. Asking her to understand that the path he is on right now is
the path he must follow and hoping that she will understand and choose to
travel that path with him. And he is also accepting of, and even
encouraging, the possibility that maybe what he is able to offer isn't going
to be enough and giving her an out if that's the case. But wanting her to at
least give them a try instead of writing him off before they even start. To
me, it's another lonesome song - the narrator does not want to be lonesome
any more. I mean, "Why must I sail my ship alone without a friend?" It's a
very good question that I wish I had the answer to.

Janice

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Bill Mulrooney

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May 6, 2005, 8:01:59 PM5/6/05
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For me, it would be "Home from the forest".

Bill


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Char

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I agree with your thoughts about Go My Way...I don't see it or "That's What
You Get For Lovin' Me as chauvinistic or egotistical. Just a man who knows
his faults/limits and strengths and wants to be upfront and honest to the
one he loves. Then she can make her decision. I applaud the honesty and the
revealing of his passions that he must follow and that he knows he may be
alone anyway even while being true to himself. Bittersweet.


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TurningWorm

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May 6, 2005, 8:52:56 PM5/6/05
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> For me, it would be "Home from the forest".

Ditto, also "If Children Had Wings" and "Too Late for Prayin'"

drb...@sbcglobal.net

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May 6, 2005, 9:09:37 PM5/6/05
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I think you nailed that one right on the head, Janice!

donnie

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Melissa

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May 6, 2005, 10:22:36 PM5/6/05
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"Looking at the Rain"
AND
"Cobwebs and Dust" (I hate to leave you but leave you I must)
Damn.
Oh, and "A Tree Too Weak to Stand" (But songs of love should not be
sung where staying is not planned)

Melissa

Kimberly

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May 6, 2005, 11:27:11 PM5/6/05
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Very well said, Janice. I love that song.
Kimberly


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>
> Another song that makes me a bit misty is one that I'm sure most people
> wouldn't think of as sad - "Go My Way" I know many people think the narrator
> is being egotistical in suggesting that his way is the only way, period. I
> don't hear it that way. To me the narrator is pleading with the person he
> loves, to please understand that he can not be any more than he is, pleading
> for her to accept that and share the bounty the world has to offer two
> people in love. Asking her to understand that the path he is on right now is
> the path he must follow and hoping that she will understand and choose to
> travel that path with him. And he is also accepting of, and even
> encouraging, the possibility that maybe what he is able to offer isn't going
> to be enough and giving her an out if that's the case. But wanting her to at
> least give them a try instead of writing him off before they even start. To
> me, it's another lonesome song - the narrator does not want to be lonesome
> any more. I mean, "Why must I sail my ship alone without a friend?" It's a
> very good question that I wish I had the answer to.

--


"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go."
- Oscar Wilde

Derek

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May 6, 2005, 11:45:30 PM5/6/05
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Beautifully written, Janice. I never thought of that song that way
before. Thank you.
Derek

M4R1N4

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May 7, 2005, 2:37:22 AM5/7/05
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"The Last Time I Saw Her Face" is definitely a good one, but I think
that "Miguel" gets me the most ..

Marina, who decided after months of lurking to finally pipe up and join
in.

Janice

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Welcome, Marina, glad you piped up - Miguel is a good one.

Janice

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Janice

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Thanks, Kim. I love that song too - it's actually my favorite Lightfoot song
and has been since the first time I heard it (even though it wasn't Gord
singing it - it was years before I acquired Summer Side Of Life and actually
heard his version). Other songs have equaled it in favoritism, but none has
ever surpassed it.

Janice


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Blackberry Wine

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May 7, 2005, 9:02:15 AM5/7/05
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When I read this my first thought was Looking at the Rain ..... but after
thinking about it a bit I'd have to say Shadows and She's not the Same are
right up there too.

SheilaB

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"Too Late for Prayin" or "Last Time I Saw Her Face" would be my picks.
"Does Your Mother Know" would rank up there, too, for me. I've noticed,
also, that for the most part the choices have come from his older songs.
Is it us or was it him?
SheilaB

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Peter T.

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May 7, 2005, 10:34:01 AM5/7/05
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Welcome aboard Marina :-)

For me it has to be Looking At The Rain. Well I remember listening to
that song many times over after a girlfriend broke up with me not long
after I bought the DQ album. Not a healthy thing to do!! Another song
also comes to mind from Old Dan's Records is That Same Old Obsession and
the title song From the Shadows album has to be up there as well.

Hey now that saddest Lightfoot song is being discussed How about the
happiest Lightfoot song? Hi'Way Songs wins that one hands down for me
followed closely by Old Dan's Records.

--
Warmest Regards Peter T.

Kimberly

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May 7, 2005, 10:34:23 AM5/7/05
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'Dreamland' is in this list somewhere, too.
Kimberly

Cathy Cowette

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"M4R1N4" <mgon...@evansville.net> wrote in message
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Oh, I forgot about that one! Yes, it's a very sad story, one that always
makes me stop and listen every time I hear it.

Don't be afraid to join in, Marina. We need new people to keep this place
fresh.

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


Ed Mullen

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Cathy Cowette wrote:

Hey, I can be fresh with you if you want, Cathy!

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meason...@wmconnect.com

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"Is it us or was it him ?" That's an interesting poser, SheilaB.

The difference in age between Lightfoot and myself is 13 years. So what
I'm thinking is that it's probably a 50/50 split. The older tunes are
now heard from a different perspective. The good news is that we were
wise beyond our years. Heck, we coulda been seers.

Ron M.

Cathy Cowette

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I think Your Love's Return is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard, too.
And it's a heck of a lot of fun playing it with Derek, because I get to sit
back and play lead, instead of the other way around.

Cathy
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Cathy Cowette

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I think there was more turmoil in our lives in the earlier years, so we
identified with the old songs.
Some of the songs on Harmony are very sad, but I don't seem to identify with
them. To me, the Harmony tunes are all Gord, spilling out his own emotions.
The old songs were Gord, triggering our emotions.

Cathy
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Cathy Cowette

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"Ed Mullen" <e...@edmullen.net> wrote in message
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> Cathy Cowette wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh, I forgot about that one! Yes, it's a very sad story, one that always
>> makes me stop and listen every time I hear it.
>>
>> Don't be afraid to join in, Marina. We need new people to keep this place
>> fresh.
>>
>> Cathy
>> http://www.cathycowette.com
>
> Hey, I can be fresh with you if you want, Cathy!
>
> --
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> If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person; they'll find an
> easier way to do it.

Oh, not you, Ed. You just ruined the image I had of you... the perfect
gentleman. LOLOL.

Cathy
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Derek

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This has been a really interesting topic (thanks, Tony!), and I've very
much enjoyed reading the various responses, particularly when people
have talked about why a particular song affects them so much.

Given the choice between doing what I SHOULD be doing (some more
spring-cleaning, running errands, washing the carpets, etc.); and
instead drinking my coffee and writing something on NG, I've opted for
the latter. Unfortunately, for you all! :)

I just wanted to expand on my choice of "Harmony"--which is for me, the
saddest.

If songs like "Looking at the Rain," "Last Time I Saw Her," etc. are
concerned with the loss of a love, then "Harmony" is an even more
achingly desolate song because it deals not only with the loss of love
but with the loss of everything that went with that love. It's not just
the love that is gone; rather, an entire way of living your life has
crumbled into dust.

Before I go any further, I should mention a couple of things that affect
my perspective. One is, although it's not like I'm a professional
musician or anything close to it, music guides my life. I know that
sounds awfully pretentious, but it's true. I go to sleep at night with
a song in my head, I wake up with a song in my head, and if you ask me
during the day "what are you thinking?", nine times out of ten the
answer is going to be "a song." As I think of it, I don't even think
you need to be a musician to think this way; I have friends who don't
play but who feel similarly.

And second, I can't claim I felt this way about "Harmony" when I first
heard the song. I thought it was pleasant enough, but it really didn't
hit me one way or the other. The first person I know who was really
affected by the song was Kimberly; I remember talking about it with her
last year, because I was curious as to why she loved it so much. Some
time right around then, she hosted a Lighthead gathering/jam session and
asked me to play the song. So I learned it and I practiced it. I
didn't do a good job with it--I'll be the first to admit that. A simple
way to say it is that I could play it and sing it (sort of), but I
didn't FEEL it, so my performance was pretty lacklustre.

Anyway, when I played it at the party, the weather was such that we were
all able to go outside and sit under the stars. And as I played and
sang "Harmony", that's when the power of that song hit me--it was as if
an arrow comprised of music and emotion was shot straight into my soul.

I've thought long and hard about that song ever since that moment,
trying to understand what it was that I felt so strongly on that
beautiful, clear, starlit night. After all this time (I've never been
very swift, I'll have to admit), I think I've finally gained some insight.

Thus, every day when I get the guitar out now, "Harmony" is one those
"must-play" songs for me. I doubt very much that my performance of it
has improved on a technical level from when I was first figuring it out
last year, but I've rarely "felt" a song so deeply when I play and sing it.

Anyone who has been in a long-term relationship knows that, while it's
great to do wonderfully romantic things like go on weekend getaway
vacations, go out to dinner and a movie like you were both dating again
and so on, it's virtually impossible to keep up that level of intensity
24/7. Life doesn't allow it. You both still have to work, take care of
the finances, keep the house clean, go grocery shopping, and so on, and
so on.

But if you are a melody, and your partner is another melody, and you put
yourselves in the same key, then you achieve harmony. And that harmony
pervades everything you do, even if you're not consciously aware of it.
You've gone beyond consciousness--you simply KNOW. Ask any long-term
couple to give you a favorite memory of their life together, and while
the answer may be something along the lines of "our honeymoon cruise to
Bermuda," I'm willing to bet the memory is more likely to be some
seemingly insignificant incident or funny event ("Honey, remember that
night when I was changing the lightbulb and the circuit-breaker went?")
or something like that.

Times like that are NOT insignficant--in many ways, they're amongst the
most important, because they are representative of lives being lived in
harmony. It is a sense of peace, of love fulfilled to its fullest
capacity. It is represented in times like quiet mornings when you get
up early, see the morning sun begin to peek through the windows, you
make coffee, and hear the familiar and yet-still-exquisitely beautiful
sounds of your love waking up, and coming out to join you. Neither of
you has combed your hair yet, or brushed your teeth, or anything like
that, but you stand together in the morning sunlight in your bathrobes,
arms about each other's waists, not saying anything. Just sipping
coffee and listening to the birds.

Or you're curled up together in your sweats and thick socks, watching a
DVD or something on television at the end of the day. The rest of the
house is dark. Every once in awhile your feet touch one another's.

I don't have children, but I suspect for a long-term couple that has
them, I would think sitting inside, watching your children play in the
yard, would be another of those "harmony" times.

These are just a few examples of those harmony moments. A casual
outside observer would look at any one of them and think "hmmm...those
people don't look like they're in love at all."

But they ARE in love, on a very deep and mult-layered level--they've put
their respective personal melodies into the same key and have achieved
harmony. Is a little dissonance going to occur throughout their time
together? Of course. It always does. But, like a great composer or
songwriting team, they work together to bring the music back into key,
back into harmony.

I don't mean to imply that any long-term relationship should be
comprised of drinking coffee, watching TV, and never combing your hair.
There should always be passion, romance, expressions of love and so
on. But I've always felt that, in a long-term relationship, those
aspects are fueled by the foundation of harmony, rather than the other
way around.

I'm probably not writing this very well, and I'm certainly taking a LOT
of space to do it in! :) But "Harmony" represents to me the peace and
joy of a long-term relationship, where everything you do--both on your
own and together--are all simply threads in a tapestry of harmony. It's
the peace of "Lazy Morning," or of "Restless"--of being willing and
joyful to "take the old backyard" or trade that restless yearning "for a
warm bed in a place (you) can call home," because that home, that
backyard, that bed, is where your harmony exists.

And thus, when the love is lost, it's not just the love, it's not just
the person--it's the harmony. Everything you knew about living your
life is gone. For me, it would be like saying "We're taking all your
guitars away. However, here's a cello--learn how to play 'Seven Island
Suite' on it by tomorrow morning." Yes, life goes on. Yes, there's
music and even a song you're familiar with...but the instrument has
changed, everything you knew about playing the song simply doesn't apply
anymore, and you're only left with your own sad, melancholy melody.
There is no harmony, for harmony takes at least two.

That's why I find "Harmony" to be the most devastatingly sad and
desolate song I've ever known.

"...where have you gone...what have we done..."

It might sound silly to many of you (perhaps not to those who know me
well), but I can barely play and sing that song without crying nowadays.
(Nevertheless, as I mentioned, I play it every time I pick up the
guitar.) But there is a positive to be found: It's not like I've done
anything in my life to deserve that life-partner, the other melody with
whom I can create harmony with...but if it ever happens, Gordon
Lightfoot's beautiful song has taught me more about life and love and
what it means to lose it, than anything I have ever heard, read, or
experienced. Certainly it is a lesson I'll shall never forget.

Thanks for bearing with me, everyone (if indeed you made this far!),
Derek


Derek wrote:
> "Looking at the Rain" would be one. "Harmony" would be the other.
> Derek


>
> Tony Wesley wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what the group thinks about this. What song grabs you
>> and make you feel like you might be reaching for the tissue?
>>
>> I have my pick but I'll hold onto it for a bit. But let me bring up my
>> choice for honorable mention, "If You Could Read My Mind". Gordon is
>> such a genius, he wrote a song about my ex-wife and me. More
>> impressive, he managed to do it more than a decade before I met her. I
>> used to buy her the Danielle Steele books as soon as they hit
>> paperback.
>>
>> But as he wrote, "...the ending's just too hard to take."
>>
>> So which song really grips *you*?
>>
>

> "Parking is such sweet sorrow."
> --Herb Caen

meason...@wmconnect.com

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May 7, 2005, 1:22:55 PM5/7/05
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Where's chapter 2 ?

Just kidding.....very nicely expressed Derek.

Ron M.

Derek

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May 7, 2005, 1:26:02 PM5/7/05
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Thanks, Ron--I don't actually write these posts. Tristan does. I just
take dictation. He's currently in the backyard, ridding his world of
all known squirrels. I'll have to wait 'til he's done, and then see if
he wants to dictate chapter 2. He may just want to chew on some rawhide
and take a nap. It's his world...I just happen to live in it! :)

Seriously, thanks again, Ron.
Derek

Sheryl Klein

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May 7, 2005, 1:38:01 PM5/7/05
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Welcome, Marina!! Pipe in any time!

Derek, that was just beautiful. My eyes got all misty just reading
your beautiful, expressive words. You are an amazing guy!

For me, I'd have to say "Softly" because the first time I heard it, I
started bawling and had to pull over the car, I was sobbing so hard.
Don't know why it affected me that way, but, it did. On further
listenings to it, it seems like it should be a happy song, a woman is
coming to him in the night for hours of love. But, for me, it's about
the leaving. How can you be happy if your love leaves you? Can only
spend a few stolen hours here and there? Something's not right... it's
sad. For my second choice: Tattoo. For obvious reasons. I hit the
repeat button for that on my car's CD player and get into a real down
mood, which I perversely enjoy, don't ask me why. It's very, very sad.

Sheryl

Derek

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Thank you Sheryl. I'm not amazing or anywhere near it, but it's kind of
you to say so.
Derek

Derek

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And you deserve full credit for doing such a wonderful job--after all,
trying to follow me on rhythm guitar is not a job for the faint-hearted!
:)
Derek

Cathy Cowette wrote:
> I think Your Love's Return is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard, too.
> And it's a heck of a lot of fun playing it with Derek, because I get to sit
> back and play lead, instead of the other way around.
>
> Cathy
> http://www.cathycowette.com

"I drink to make other people more interesting."
--George Jean Nathan (1882-1958)

Ed Mullen

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Derek wrote:
> This has been a really interesting topic (thanks, Tony!), and I've very
> much enjoyed reading the various responses, particularly when people
> have talked about why a particular song affects them so much.
>
> Given the choice between doing what I SHOULD be doing (some more
> spring-cleaning, running errands, washing the carpets, etc.); and
> instead drinking my coffee and writing something on NG, I've opted for
> the latter. Unfortunately, for you all! :)
>
> I just wanted to expand on my choice of "Harmony"--which is for me, the
> saddest.
>

Brilliantly expressed, my friend. I would say "as usual" but this one
goes beyond your usual. A couple things:

1. You do the song great justice. I've heard you do it more than once
and it's clear that you feel it keenly and express it wonderfully.
2. Now I /really/ get it. Thanks!
3. You said that maybe you haven't done anything "... to deserve that
life-partner ..." Of all the people I know, buddy, you *do* deserve
that, to find that harmony.

;-)

Harmony of aim, not identity of conclusion, is the secret of sympathetic
life. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Janice

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Derek, I don't know what you mean about "probably not writing this very
well..." I think you wrote it just right. I cried reading it and now I must
find the CD in all the rubble on my desk and listen to the song while your
thoughts are fresh in my mind.

Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. I also enjoy it when folks
elaborate on *why* a song touches them so. I must admit, Harmony wasn't one
that grabbed me in the past, but I have a feeling I'll gain a whole new
appreciation for it, now.

Janice
(who would probably cry at a Hallmark commercial, today <g>)


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meason...@wmconnect.com

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My initial contribution to this thread was "On the High Seas", but
after spending a couple of hours this morning with an old flame/friend
( I have a pickup, so I'm of some use), I decided to change my choice
to "I'll do Anything".

I guess it's the best part of being a "Lighthead". So many choices.

Ron M.

Char

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I posted the first time with the anniversary of VE day in my mind...and such
losses are forever sad for those left behind.

My first inclination was to post "Harmony" however. Hearing it when the
album was released, reading the words, knowing how it came about for
Lightfoot and what a dramatic turn my life had taken made it very very hard
to listen to. The harmony of my life was gone. Not in chaos..just gone.
I am waiting for it to come back in different ways but the Harmony of my
life as I knew it will never be again. The deep sadness from hurt,
grief,disappointment, confusion is all part of a lack of harmony. Harmony
implies two or more parts and while I am but one person I look forward every
day to those mere moments when the harmony in my life with my kids, my
family and friends surprises me and I see that I am getting through this
period in my life in one piece.
Hearing Lightfoot sing it in Hamilton was chilling to me...I don't think I
took a breath the whole time he was singing. I haven't listened to it since.
Being a singer/songwriter, his use of the word harmony and feelings it
evokes is so fitting for him and until that song I was wishing for peace in
my life.
I now know that it is harmony I hope for once again. Hope,peace and harmony.
Some day.

Char


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Derek

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But, dammit Ed...aren't you already married?!

What a tease...
;)
Derek

PS--Seriously, Ed--thank you for the kind words, my friend.

Ed Mullen wrote:

> 3. You said that maybe you haven't done anything "... to deserve that
> life-partner ..." Of all the people I know, buddy, you *do* deserve
> that, to find that harmony.
>
> ;-)
>

"I don't like money, but it quiets my nerves."
--Joe Louis

Derek

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Janice--thank you for the kind words.

I understand about crying at a Hallmark commercial. Anyone who knows me
is well aware that, being the mushhead that I am, if someone so much as
mentions the word "onion", I'll get misty-eyed!

Or maybe I'm just PMS-ing.
:)
Derek

PS--I can't take credit for that "onion" line. I stole it from Ed.
Must remember to send him a royalty check...

Derek

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I understand, Char. We love you. And harmony shall indeed once again
be yours--I just know it in my heart.
Derek

sj

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"Anything for Love" ... thanks for the reminder. What a sad one.
"Miguel" is another contender.

Hi, Everyone. Thanks to the poster for this fine topic.

-sj

mala...@katamail.com

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I love "Miguel", is one of my favourites at all, and i hope that Gord
will play it on this tour (even though i doubt about it).
But i think that the saddest Lightfoot song is "If children had wings":
the beautiful melody that Gord have evere written.

Max
Florence, Italy

meason...@wmconnect.com

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The mention of "Miguel" ( which I am also very fond of) jiggled this
recollection from my memory bank. In concert once, I saw him going
through the written requests that audience members had placed on stage
during intermission. His remarks would be something like "We'll get to
that one later", or he would simply continue to sort through the stack
silently. He paused with one and said "Miguel ?!!", and chuckled. So I
wouldn't get my hopes too high.

Ron M.

Ed Mullen

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meason...@wmconnect.com wrote:

Long long ago and in a galaxy far far away I used to do that song. It
isn't one I'd attempt without a good deal of practice. And I haven't
heard Gord do it in decades. Wonderful tune, though. And it would be
nice to hear him do it again.

Janice

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Yeah, Miguel is a favorite of mine as well. The first time I saw Lightfoot
back in 2000, a friend and I were backstage and my friend (who also loves
the song) asked Gord why he didn't do it anymore. Gord's response was, "It
has geographical errors in it and I can't think of a correction that rhymes"
and he laughed. We let it go at that, figuring that it just wasn't a song he
was close to any more :-)


Janice

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Dave Mallin

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No doubt in my mind. Gord must have suffered something deeply to be able to
pen Now and Then. Amazing song, amazing insight, amazing writer.


sas

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Spanish Moss always gets to me. Almost 30 (wow,can it be that
long?)years later I can still remember how I felt the first time
I heard it. I was 20 years old, and had come to the realization
that the relationship that I'd hinged my future on was a sham and
it was time to move on.

Sas

Tony Wesley

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Wow, I'm a bit overwhelmed at the reaction to my post. It's been a
very busy weekend. I was able to read some Saturday night. Now, I see
the continued posts today. Whew!

Let me say that "Looking at the Rain" was my pick for the saddest. It
certainly was named several times. I need to relisten to "Harmony"
after the discussion here. The theme discussed here come up today. I
was having dinner at my finacee Chris's home, along with her son, my
mother and my mother's friend (both dealing with moderate Alzheimer's),
and my two boys. It's a bit of work to do this but it went really
well. I felt the glow of warm companiate love with her and told her
so.

Anyway, thank you for all your responses.

One more thought; Derek, your posts are interesting, but I hope you
can learn to expound on your thoughts.

P.S. My son just mentioned that he thought "The Wreck of the Edmund
Fitzgerald" would be on the list. That is a sad song, but I'm guess
that it doesn't touch our personal experiences and that's why it didn't
come up.

Peter T.

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Ed Mullen wrote:
>
> Brilliantly expressed, my friend. I would say "as usual" but this one
> goes beyond your usual. A couple things:
>
> 1. You do the song great justice. I've heard you do it more than once
> and it's clear that you feel it keenly and express it wonderfully.
> 2. Now I /really/ get it. Thanks!
> 3. You said that maybe you haven't done anything "... to deserve that
> life-partner ..." Of all the people I know, buddy, you *do* deserve
> that, to find that harmony.
>
> ;-)


Ed I whole heartily agree with you

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Warmest Regards Peter T.

mcarl-at-cablespeed.com

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Well Derek, I have to admit it, you have me reconsidering. Thank you
(or Tristan) to your fine insights. And everyone else too. I will
have to go listen to Harmony again. The metaphor ( ? - sorry for
offending any English majors out there) is stronger and deeper than I'd
attached to it.

And the song(s) that we all sing in life can be quite different at
various times. There's two part, three part, four ... all the way to a
full orchestral arrangement which might include all the people you've
crossed paths with (including this NG). That's probably taking it to
what some may consider off the deep end, but it still seems to work.

Oh and I forgot about Miguel - I am usually so entranced in Red Shea's
work on it but it's right up there too.

Oh and I too, am cursed by the song(s) that rattle around in my head
all day long....

Matt

Derek

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Well, as long as it isn't "It's a Small World After All," I'd say you're
doing all right! :)
Derek

mcarl-at-cablespeed.com wrote:

> Oh and I too, am cursed by the song(s) that rattle around in my head
> all day long....
>
> Matt
>

"I've been on a diet for two weeks and all I've lost is two weeks."
--Totie Fields

Ed Mullen

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Derek wrote:

> Well, as long as it isn't "It's a Small World After All," I'd say you're
> doing all right! :)
> Derek
>

!!!! Ooooooo, you bastard!!!! I'm gonna have to go and listen to Lake
Marie now to get that @$#%& song out of my head. :-D

Bureaucracy: a method of turning energy into solid waste.

meason...@wmconnect.com

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"Lake Marie". A great John Prine tune.

Now, where were we ?

Ron M.

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Ugh! I might even try an opera! That's not a song, that's penance!

Matt

Cathy Cowette

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It could have been worse, Ed. It could have been a d*sco tune, like, "Uhh,
uhh, uhh, uhh, stayin' alive, stayin' alive...."

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


Janice

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You know he did that on purpose, just for you, Ed :-D

Janice

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jsga...@hotmail.com

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A Minor Ballad is quite a sad song I find. The song has quite a air to
it.

Steven

Ed Mullen

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Cathy Cowette wrote:

No problem there, Cathy. I don't know any disco tunes. :-D

NEWS FLASH! This just in from the Department of Redundancy Department ...

Ed Mullen

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Janice wrote:

I know. Hey, it's what friends are for!

Cathy Cowette

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>A Minor Ballad is quite a sad song I find. The song has quite a air to
> it.
>
> Steven

I have a recording of you singing that song, Steven, and you do a great job
at it!

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


Cathy Cowette

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>
> No problem there, Cathy. I don't know any disco tunes. :-D
>
> --
> Ed Mullen
> http://edmullen.net
> http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz.html
> NEWS FLASH! This just in from the Department of Redundancy Department

Next time we see each other, I'll teach you a couple.

Cathy
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plumbguru2

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On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:26:36 -0700, Tony Wesley wrote:

> What song grabs you and make you feel like you might be reaching for the
tissue?

I'll grant you (and Derek you did a great job on it) Harmony is sad. I ache
for him knowing he is no longer in harmony with anyone, but when you're older
you come to realize that falling out of love happens and while painful is not
fatal.

But hands down, the saddest song for me personally
>>>>>> The Last Time I Saw Her Face.

Only a first love, when you're first reduced to a quivering mass of hormones
could evoke the following:

If time could heal the wounds
I would tear the threads away
That I might bleed some more.

Or her reaction at your last parting:

The last time I kissed my cheek
Her lips were like the wilted leaves,
upon the autumn covered hills.
Resting on the frozen ground,
The seeds of love lie cold and still.
Beneath the battered marking stone,
It lies forgotten

mindblowingly sad

Doug

Roger G

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'suse the top-post...
Hey, Red!
You had to go anbd say all that... when my other half is in Kansas
caring for her dad...Now I see why the depressed condition of my
Karma...I'm missing the descant to my melodic line (if you can call my
singing "melodic")
whatever--but an excellent description of the relationship, and it now
qualifies "Harmony" as numero uno....

Roger
Derek wrote:

>>> I was wondering what the group thinks about this. What song grabs you


>>> and make you feel like you might be reaching for the tissue?
>>>

Roger G

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Shirley wrote:

>>>>So which song really grips *you*?
>
>

> If There's A Reason
>
"Aplology"--right behind "Harmony" (See the Kiddddddd's response)

johnfowles

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>From my own perspective I have to agree about "Looking At The rain."
I well and painfully remember the day back in 1972 when I had found Don
Quixote in one of my frequent obsessed record rack searches and eagerly
played it at home for the very first time when LATR came on I was
actually looking out of the window at a typical UK downpour and
completely lost it as the words were so applicable to my situation on
that day. However recently I have been playing an old live recording of
Gordon's take on Marty Robbin's great "El Paso, so I have to go along
with Janice Matt Steve and Max here and thus nominate "Miguel" as the
ultimate sad song.
I presume Gordon's disparaging reference to geography was because St
Augustine is in Florida not Mexico although there is such a St
Augustines Cathedral in Tucson AZ not so far from Mexico
http://www.worldfromtheweb.com/Parks/Tucson/P6080955.jpg
John Fowles
I Mean No One No Harm
Brilliant writing Derek I must include that in my list of Newsgroup
highlights for corfid-only readers tomorrow

Bru

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<<If time could heal the wounds
I would tear the threads away
That I might bleed some more. >>

Doug,
IMO, those are some of the most evocative lines
he has ever penned. They take my breath away
by their graphic simplicity.
And some of the most heartbreakingly sad.
(where's that Kleenex?)
Bru

plumbguru2

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On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:18:22 -0700, Bru wrote
(in article <1115914702....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

> And some of the most heartbreakingly sad.

They kind of losing some of their power in the written form.

The timing, timber, crescendo, and his wonderful vibrato added so much to
that one line......you might want to jump in and do it your self.

Most of us have had the first love lost experience. Perhaps that why we
connect so easily to that line.

Doug

"When love is true.....there is no truer occupation"

Peter T.

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Ed Mullen wrote:
> Cathy Cowette wrote:
>
>> "Ed Mullen" <e...@edmullen.net> wrote in message
>> news:QbqdnUi87Zb...@comcast.com...
>>
>>> Derek wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, as long as it isn't "It's a Small World After All," I'd say
>>>> you're doing all right! :)
>>>> Derek
>>>>
>>>
>>> !!!! Ooooooo, you bastard!!!! I'm gonna have to go and listen to
>>> Lake Marie now to get that @$#%& song out of my head. :-D

Hey Ed for what it is worth this might interest you.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/11/sherman.brothers.ap/index.html

Me thinks that they have a lot to answer for particularly my years of
therapy sessions after we got back home after visiting Disneyland :-)

--
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Ed Mullen

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Peter T. wrote:

> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> Cathy Cowette wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Mullen" <e...@edmullen.net> wrote in message
>>> news:QbqdnUi87Zb...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, as long as it isn't "It's a Small World After All," I'd say
>>>>> you're doing all right! :)
>>>>> Derek
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> !!!! Ooooooo, you bastard!!!! I'm gonna have to go and listen to
>>>> Lake Marie now to get that @$#%& song out of my head. :-D
>
>
> Hey Ed for what it is worth this might interest you.
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/11/sherman.brothers.ap/index.html
>
>
> Me thinks that they have a lot to answer for particularly my years of
> therapy sessions after we got back home after visiting Disneyland :-)
>

Hey, that's pretty cool! Thanks, Peter. I too at last have someone to
blame!!! :-D

When in doubt assume that, once again, you've outsmarted yourself.

Char

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I'm glad your post about these guys showed up! Mine is off in space
somewhere! Probably to escape one more go round of "It's A Small World" !!
lol

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Tony Wesley

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May 14, 2005, 12:59:42 AM5/14/05
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After thinking about it, I have another nomination for this category.
It's from Gordon's early days, "Bitter Green". In retrospect, I'm a
little surprised it didn't come to mind earlier. Perhaps because while
the story is sad, the music doesn't evoke the same aura of overwhelming
sadness as "Looking At the Rain" does.

I don't think anyone else suggested it in this thread. Am I off base?

Richard Harison

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Not At All!

--
All the Best . . .
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jsga...@hotmail.com

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Thanks, Cathy

You still have that MP3. Wow, I must done that song a few years ago.

Steven

Cathy Cowette

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<jsga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Cathy
>
> You still have that MP3. Wow, I must done that song a few years ago.
>
> Steven

I still have all the mp3s you've sent me, in a folder named Steven. How
original. And it was only two years ago that you sent it.

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


jsga...@hotmail.com

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May 19, 2005, 9:44:11 PM5/19/05
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It has been a while since I sent you a song. I was suppose going to
send you a
MP3 of me playing The Wreck or CRT. I will do that sometime.

Steven

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