Soundstage?
Derek
apologies.
I just received an interesting email thie morning from Oh Boy Records
(this is John Prine's self-owned record company). The email is
announcing a pre-release sale of Prine's appearance on Soundstage in 1980.
It's difficult for me to tell from the email whether this is a one-off
DVD release from Oh Boy only, or whether this is a planned series of
releases from whichever company has the Soundstage video rights and Oh
Boy is simply giving email subscribers the chance to buy one early.
And thus, my question is, does anyone know if selected shows (or all
shows) from the first run of Soundstage (from something like 1974 thru
1980-something) are being officially released on DVD? It would be nice
to have an official version of GL's appearances on the show! (And maybe
one where they don't cut off CRT halfway through once the credits
finished rolling!) :)
A second DVD-related comment: It turns out a lot of appearances from
Montreaux are being officially released on DVD--these seem to be from
around the same time frame (I just bought a DVD of a 1981 Montreaux
appearance by Mike Oldfield). Was GL's appearance there video'd (filmed)?
Derek
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Valerie L Magee
kicked in. I generally don't respond to people who post anonomously. I
recognize the problems of spam, but I resent people who won't identify
themselves. So I canned the response I had typed, and put it aside, also
thinking that probably nobody would answer because - except for threads
that get acrimonious - substantive material is often ignored here. Even
an "I don't know" is useful (at least I think so). Then one at least
knows that people are reading the question!
Then, this morning, I checked the newsgroup again, and of course nobody
had responded to this unidentified "Derek". And then, with a start, I
realized that it was "OUR" Derek, simply trying to protect himself from
spam! I realized it was you in your responses on the "sshhh" thread, but
there everything was in context so of course I knew who was posting.
(Apologies for the multiple "then"s in the above two paragraphs. It's
too early to edit).
OK, that said, I don't know the answers to either of your questions! But
I can type that in a long paragraph, and I can speculate. Sometimes
speculation is as good as it gets!
My guess is that the DVD is one-off. Previous inquiries to the PBS
station in Chicago elicited replies indicating that they did not have
the rights to the GL show, or to many (most?) other early shows. My
guess is that their standard contract didn't clearly assign the rights
to themselves, and as a result any future use would require signoffs by
all concerned, including the artist.
Prine was probably happy to give that signoff, so the DVD was born. It's
apparently a Shout Factory release (at least they are co-listed, and
probably did the work). SF has been releasing lots of archive material,
and an old Prine concert certainly sounds like something they would jump
at. Prine himself may have initiated the deal, or maybe Shout Factory
discovered the tapes and asked.
Regarding Montreux, I have never heard anything to suggest that the
Lightfoot concert was filmed; just recorded for radio (and that
recording ended up on the bootleg we all know and love). Richard can
probably tell us for sure. Personally, I'd be thrilled to have an
official version of the audio CD.
PS: apologies to Usenet fans who swear by bottom posting. In this case I
couldn't find enough to snip, and I didn't want to leave a screen full
of Derek's message at the top so I committed a Usenet "no no". Mea culpa.
PPS: To all ye lurkers: when lurking is carried to the extreme, a
newsgroup can die. I'm afraid that this newsgroup is in danger of that.
PPS: Derek, you NEVER need apologize for posting anything. Nobody should
worry about repeating a topic, and if anybody complains it is their
problem.
drb...@sbcglobal.net
vlm...@mageenet.net wrote on 2/9/07 7:52 AM:
> PS: apologies to Usenet fans who swear by bottom posting. In this case I
> couldn't find enough to snip, and I didn't want to leave a screen full
> of Derek's message at the top so I committed a Usenet "no no". Mea culpa.
Uh-oh...I've been committing that error for years. Sigh.... We technical
illiterates should NOT be allowed near computers. :)
donnie
Richard Harison
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>I started to respond to this yesterday, but then my personal censor kicked
>the problems of Spam, but I resent people who won't identify themselves. So
>I canned the response I had typed, and put it aside, also thinking that
>probably nobody would answer because - except for threads that get
>acrimonious - substantive material is often ignored here. Even an "I don't
>know" is useful (at least I think so). Then one at least knows that people
>are reading the question!
>
> Then, this morning, I checked the newsgroup again, and of course nobody
> had responded to this unidentified "Derek". And then, with a start, I
> realized that it was "OUR" Derek, simply trying to protect himself from
> there everything was in context so of course I knew who was posting.
>
> (Apologies for the multiple "then"s in the above two paragraphs. It's too
> early to edit).
>
> OK, that said, I don't know the answers to either of your questions! But I
> can type that in a long paragraph, and I can speculate. Sometimes
> speculation is as good as it gets!
>
> My guess is that the DVD is one-off. Previous inquiries to the PBS station
> in Chicago elicited replies indicating that they did not have the rights
> to the GL show, or to many (most?) other early shows. My guess is that
> their standard contract didn't clearly assign the rights to themselves,
> and as a result any future use would require signoffs by all concerned,
> including the artist.
>
> Prine was probably happy to give that signoff, so the DVD was born. It's
> apparently a Shout Factory release (at least they are co-listed, and
> probably did the work). SF has been releasing lots of archive material,
> and an old Prine concert certainly sounds like something they would jump
> at. Prine himself may have initiated the deal, or maybe Shout Factory
> discovered the tapes and asked.
>
> Regarding Montreux, I have never heard anything to suggest that the
> Lightfoot concert was filmed; just recorded for radio (and that recording
> ended up on the bootleg we all know and love). Richard can probably tell
> us for sure. Personally, I'd be thrilled to have an official version of
> the audio CD.
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As a phone-a-friend on Millionaire would say -- I'm 90% sure. I am 90% sure
the Montreux concert was not videotaped.
I leave myself that 10% margin of error because I had driven most of the
night through Austria to get there and only had 4 hours sleep before I had a
complete lighting setup and sound check to do, and there was NO provision
for TV lighting, which is a whole different animal from concert lighting.
In fact, I seriously doubt Gord knew about the audio taping. My reasoning
here is that, if he did, he would have talked to me to make sure I could
accommodate a proper feed for them. (I was sound engineer as well as
lighting director in those days) Also, I mixed the show in mono, and what I
have heard of the recording is clearly in stereo. The PM1000-16 board I was
using has provision for a stereo mix, but there had to be something else
going on as well, because I set all my pans to 12 o'clock to accommodate the
mono mix. Yet the stereo recording was thoroughly panned left and right,
indicating that the raw stereo mix was re-mastered in another room. No
locals ever talked to me about it, or I would have immediately asked Gordon
about it.
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> PS: apologies to Usenet fans who swear by bottom posting. In this case I
> couldn't find enough to snip, and I didn't want to leave a screen full of
> Derek's message at the top so I committed a Usenet "no no". Mea culpa.
>
> PPS: To all ye lurkers: when lurking is carried to the extreme, a
> newsgroup can die. I'm afraid that this newsgroup is in danger of that.
>
> PPS: Derek, you NEVER need apologize for posting anything. Nobody should
> worry about repeating a topic, and if anybody complains it is their
> problem.
>
> Derek wrote:
>
>> If this has been discussed before and I missed it, please accept my
>> apologies.
>>
>> I just received an interesting email this morning from Oh Boy Records
>> (this is John Prine's self-owned record company). The email is
>> announcing a pre-release sale of Prine's appearance on Soundstage in
>> 1980.
>>
>> It's difficult for me to tell from the email whether this is a one-off
>> DVD release from Oh Boy only, or whether this is a planned series of
>> releases from whichever company has the Soundstage video rights and Oh
>> Boy is simply giving email subscribers the chance to buy one early.
>>
>> And thus, my question is, does anyone know if selected shows (or all
>> shows) from the first run of Soundstage (from something like 1974 thru
>> 1980-something) are being officially released on DVD? It would be nice
>> to have an official version of GL's appearances on the show! (And maybe
>> one where they don't cut off CRT halfway through once the credits
>> finished rolling!) :)
>>
>> A second DVD-related comment: It turns out a lot of appearances from
>> Montreaux are being officially released on DVD--these seem to be from
>> around the same time frame (I just bought a DVD of a 1981 Montreaux
>> appearance by Mike Oldfield). Was GL's appearance there video'd
>> (filmed)?
>> Derek
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All the Best,
Richard Harison
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Cathy Cowette
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Richard, does anyone know who actually did the taping? I seem to recall
hearing (years ago) that the concert was aired on a radio station, and it
may have been one of the station employees who actually created the bootleg.
Cathy
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Richard Harison
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Not that I know of. Remember that the original stereo had to , IMO, come
from the board. True they could have placed a couple of mics on the stage,
but then somebody would most likely have seen them and asked what was going
on. Additionally, from what I have actually heard, the sound was much
better in quality and mix than could be had with an independent setup. And
it seems like my mix. FWIW
Cathy Cowette
Is it possible the radio sound man could have tied into your system at the
concert to record it? Seems to me he would have needed quite a big piece of
equipment, given the technology of the day, and would have been quite
noticeable during the concert.
Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com
mcarl-at-cablespeed.com
> Is it possible the radio sound man could have tied into your system at the
> concert to record it? Seems to me he would have needed quite a big piece of
> equipment, given the technology of the day, and would have been quite
> noticeable during the concert.
>
> Cathyhttp://www.cathycowette.com
Or perhaps a monitor mix? Don't know how you would have been doing it
in those days. Just a thought ... I can imagin lifting those
channels and using a snake to route to some other room ...
Matt
Richard Harison
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Monitor mix would have been mono, and gross, since everybody on stage wanted
a different mix.
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> Monitor mix would have been mono, and gross, since everybody on stage wanted
> a different mix.
>
Yeah, probably so.
m
Richard Harison
The more I think about it, having heard a couple of cuts, it sounds like my
mix. If so, then the raw stereo tap came from the PM1000
board. If it is my mix, I apologize for the over presence of the off tune
harmony vocals-- didn't sound that bad live :>)
mcarl-at-cablespeed.com
> "mcarl-at-cablespeed.com" <mcarl4...@aol.com> wrote in message
> The more I think about it, having heard a couple of cuts, it sounds like my
> mix. If so, then the raw stereo tap came from the PM1000
> board. If it is my mix, I apologize for the over presence of the off tune
> harmony vocals-- didn't sound that bad live :>)
> --
> All the Best,
> Richard Harison
>
Hey, it wasn't you singing! There's something here about where the
responsibility of the messenger begins and ends. ;)
Matt
Richard Harison
Thanks -- I needed that!
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>
> Thanks -- I needed that!
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Richard Harison
No problem!
Matt