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Autographed Gordon Lightfoot - A Decade Of Music Portraits

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Mar 2, 2006, 12:54:00 PM3/2/06
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A complete online exhibit of the collection can be viewed at
http://www.artgiveshope.ca

johnfowles

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Mar 2, 2006, 5:47:27 PM3/2/06
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Newsgroup Account wrote:
> A complete online exhibit of the collection can be viewed at
> http://www.artgiveshope.ca

That site has an annoyingly long winded loading time (so if you are on
a dial up try the same subject that char started on corfid where I have
displayed a quick-loading screenshot of Gord's picture to be auctioned
soon:-

http://www.corfid.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003700;p=1

John Fowles

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Mar 2, 2006, 7:32:46 PM3/2/06
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johnfowles wrote:

> That site has an annoyingly long winded loading time (so if you are on

> a dial up...
>

The entire website is under 5 meg and has over 240 images in the
gallery. Had it been created in standard html the site would have been
more like 50 meg. The first 460k needs to be loaded before the
presentation will start. (that is about the same as a moderate sized
jpeg) The other 4.5 meg load dynamically throughout the rest of the
session, but at considerable bandwidth reduction compared to using
standard html and images. In other words after you get past the first
460k load time is a lot faster than by any other means. Understandably
if all you want to see it one image, it sort of defeats the purpose, but
there are 50+ artists. There’s really no way to get beyond some sort of
bottleneck with that many exhibits.

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Cathy Cowette

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Mar 3, 2006, 8:56:59 AM3/3/06
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It loaded in about 2 seconds flat for me.

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


lightf...@rogers.com

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Mar 3, 2006, 12:48:23 PM3/3/06
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yeah but you have three beasts Cathy....
;)
loaded up right quick for me too....
some great pics-kinda pricey tho....

johnfowles

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Mar 3, 2006, 1:28:50 PM3/3/06
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Well all I can say is bully for you two who are obviously not on a
dial-up I just rechecked and it took 95 seconds
from clicking the "enter" link to seeing the listing of auctions on my
current 50.6 kbps connection
I did try to stress that I considered it too long winded for a dial-up
and in general this must be a recognised problem with any flash
presentation ( hence most flashy sites provide a "skip this intro" link
to enable those less fortunate to get down to business.
Yes the flash intro is very clever but not universally suitable IMHO
Ok so there are many images to load but that is all the more reason to
consider alternatives: simple clickable small thumbnails are a better
solution surely and would be an html file far smaller than 5MB?
John Fowles
P.S well done Andrew for your initiative and I hope your auctions
bring in many Canabucks

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Mar 3, 2006, 6:32:09 PM3/3/06
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What you are seeing is not an intro page, it's the loader, there is no
way to bypass it. Bypass links are for sites that only use Flash as in
intro movie. Art Gives Hope entire site is flash.

Yes a thumbnail would be less at first, but you would still have to load
the larger images at some point and there are 240 of them. Four for each
portrait and another 60 or more thumbnails I forgot to mention, one for
each portrait. A total of over 300 images

The logistics of creating an online art gallery are staggering, that's
why so few artists have them. To do a thumbnail gallery or even links in
a more standard format doesn't really work when your dealing with this
kind of volume and I need to stress, one set of images for one portrait
in HTML and Jpeg format would take up the entire half a meg we are using
for this gallery to preload and overall it would cost us over 50 meg of
bandwidth for every visitor touring the entire site if we did. The only
option we had was to create the 460k front end and dynamically load the
other 4.5 meg of the gallery during the rest of the presentation. For
every visitor who tours the entire gallery we use up only 5 meg of
bandwidth this way.

As much as I appreciate and understand your situation, we had to go with
the more practical solution of optimizing the site entirely through
Flash. The only html on this site is in the contact form and in the
framework and yes we did try it the other way at first. After we
installed the first 15 portraits we were up to 15 meg, so when I say 50
meg, I am being extremely conservative. And we really can't optimize the
jpeg format my other means at least not as well as flash can. The image
quality of optimized jpegs is unacceptable for this kind of a project.

Cathy Cowette

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Mar 4, 2006, 6:27:22 PM3/4/06
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LOL. I had forgotten about the 3 beasts.

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com


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johnfowles

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Mar 8, 2006, 11:54:30 AM3/8/06
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I'll have to take your word for that Andrew ssas flash is still a
mystery to me but I am pleased to find that your GL item is now on ebay
at:-
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gordon-Lightfoot-Autographed-Signed-Art-Gives-Hope_W0QQitemZ7595766586QQcategoryZ61QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
where the relevant Lightfoot section of your flashy spread is shown on
its own with an individual picture URL of:-
http://www.artgiveshope.ca/ebay/gordon/2.jpg
and is now up to US $360 after 10 bids
John Fowles

johnfowles

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Mar 8, 2006, 11:54:41 AM3/8/06
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I'll have to take your word for that Andrew as flash is still a mystery

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Mar 19, 2006, 5:26:41 PM3/19/06
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This was sent to me by Andrew's aide

Due to an error in our system our auctions have been interrupted. In the
interest of fairness to all those bidding and watching we have
re-launched the auctions and they will now end on March 22. We apologize
for any inconvenience and hope all bidders will continue with us in this
great cause. Please contact us if you have any questions. Come on over
and bid again now! Thanks for your continued support!

************************************************************************

The organizers did the best they could to start the bidding at around a
$100 less than the previously highest bid. I followed up on the
technical end and can assure everyone that the auctions will now proceed
on schedule this time around.

Thank you for helping us do our part to make a difference in the lives
of the people of Uganda.

http://www.artgiveshope.ca


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