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Re: What do you guys think of Renaissance?
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Tralfaz
Dec 20, 2011, 10:18:21 PM12/20/11
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On 12/20/2011 7:51 PM, Raja, The Great wrote:
> On Dec 19, 3:14 pm, Nil<redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2011, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"<stuthalb...@comcast.net>
>> wrote in rec.music.beatles:
>>
>>> Since I no longer have a working turntable or a car with a cassette
>>> deck, reminding me of them doesn't have any particular purpose.
>>
>> I saw Renaissance open for Jethro Tull a few decades ago. They were
>> extremely boring and tedious and would have been booed off the stage if
>> they hadn't cut their set short. Dreadful stuff.
>
> Even more boring than Jethro Tull? Did you see the same bands in 1975?
> I would assume you would have found Jethro Tull more boring then
R-
Tull is boring, yes but with at least a sense of humor.
Renaissance takes themselves seriously, have no humor and are tedious
ratfaced gits.
It would only make too much sense that you would like them considering
your tedious, self important lists you little rat faced git.
> On Dec 19, 3:14 pm, Nil<redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2011, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"<stuthalb...@comcast.net>
>> wrote in rec.music.beatles:
>>
>>> Since I no longer have a working turntable or a car with a cassette
>>> deck, reminding me of them doesn't have any particular purpose.
>>
>> I saw Renaissance open for Jethro Tull a few decades ago. They were
>> extremely boring and tedious and would have been booed off the stage if
>> they hadn't cut their set short. Dreadful stuff.
>
> Even more boring than Jethro Tull? Did you see the same bands in 1975?
> I would assume you would have found Jethro Tull more boring then
R-
Tull is boring, yes but with at least a sense of humor.
Renaissance takes themselves seriously, have no humor and are tedious
ratfaced gits.
It would only make too much sense that you would like them considering
your tedious, self important lists you little rat faced git.
iL_WeReo
Dec 21, 2011, 9:13:56 AM12/21/11
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On Dec 20, 10:18 pm, Tralfaz
Crock of shit, just like the rest of the entire "classic rock 'n roll"
music scene.
music scene.
Bill
Dec 21, 2011, 1:43:53 PM12/21/11
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> On Dec 20, 10:18 pm, Tralfaz
>
>
> > Renaissance takes themselves seriously, have no humor and are tedious
> > ratfaced gits.
>
Saw them recently in a relatively small club. Nice new band, tight
> > ratfaced gits.
>
songs. I bought the live CD/DVD .
Very good bassist. other band members great as well. 5 singers total.
Bill
jamesw...@yahoo.com
Dec 22, 2011, 7:59:02 AM12/22/11
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were pretty boring to see. No energy and they tried to play their
material note-for-note from the albums. I also think that subtracting
an orchestra/string section from them really diminishes their sound in
a live setting.
Bruce D. Scott
Dec 22, 2011, 8:36:07 AM12/22/11
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jamesw...@yahoo.com (jamesw...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: On Dec 21, 1:43=A0pm, Bill <coppermoose.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
: > > On Dec 20, 10:18=A0pm, Tralfaz
Renaissance fandom is a matter of nostalgia. Same as with Yes or any
similar band. It was a different time then.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
: On Dec 21, 1:43=A0pm, Bill <coppermoose.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
: > > On Dec 20, 10:18=A0pm, Tralfaz
: >
: > > > Renaissance takes themselves seriously, have no humor and are tedious
: > > > ratfaced gits.
: >
: > Saw them recently in a relatively small club. Nice new band, tight
: > songs. I bought the live CD/DVD .
: > Very good bassist. other band members great as well. 5 singers total.
: >
: > Bill
: I saw Renaissance 2 autumns ago and I agree with the guy above; they
: were pretty boring to see. No energy and they tried to play their
: material note-for-note from the albums. I also think that subtracting
: an orchestra/string section from them really diminishes their sound in
: a live setting.
They're also about 70 years old.
: > > > Renaissance takes themselves seriously, have no humor and are tedious
: > > > ratfaced gits.
: >
: > Saw them recently in a relatively small club. Nice new band, tight
: > songs. I bought the live CD/DVD .
: > Very good bassist. other band members great as well. 5 singers total.
: >
: > Bill
: I saw Renaissance 2 autumns ago and I agree with the guy above; they
: were pretty boring to see. No energy and they tried to play their
: material note-for-note from the albums. I also think that subtracting
: an orchestra/string section from them really diminishes their sound in
: a live setting.
Renaissance fandom is a matter of nostalgia. Same as with Yes or any
similar band. It was a different time then.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
jamesw...@yahoo.com
Dec 22, 2011, 1:58:22 PM12/22/11
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On Dec 22, 8:36 am, b...@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
It wasn't their age that was a problem. When I saw them only Dunford
and Haslam were original and Haslam is only in her mid-60s. Besides,
I've seen Gong and some of them are in their mid-70's and are
exciting. Like I said above, the orchestra really helps full out the
music and make it exciting. Also, Haslam just stands like a statue
when she sings so there's not much to watch.
and Haslam were original and Haslam is only in her mid-60s. Besides,
I've seen Gong and some of them are in their mid-70's and are
exciting. Like I said above, the orchestra really helps full out the
music and make it exciting. Also, Haslam just stands like a statue
when she sings so there's not much to watch.
Rob Allen
Dec 22, 2011, 3:16:39 PM12/22/11
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On Dec 22, 10:58 am, "jameswcush...@yahoo.com"
I don't know...I read this and the first thing that comes to mind is
Benoit David would do well to learn some of Haslam's moves.
Rob "he'd still be hard on the ears, but so much easier on the eyes"
Allen
Benoit David would do well to learn some of Haslam's moves.
Rob "he'd still be hard on the ears, but so much easier on the eyes"
Allen
kmcpro615
Dec 22, 2011, 5:56:59 PM12/22/11
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I saw Renaissance on the 2010 tour w Steve Hackett and they kicked
ass. The band was much younger than Annie and that partner guy of hers
that plays the acoustic guitar. They had Tom Brislin on keyboards. It
was all very well done, without any concessions whatsoever to age.
Annie's voice was pristine. If you don't like the music, then you
don't like the music and that's probably not gonna change. I will
admit to being rather non plussed with things I'd heard on the radio
over the years, but seeing them up close and personal made a much
deeper impression on me. Annie is a force to be reckoned with in her
own right....and they have some very good music to pull from.
ass. The band was much younger than Annie and that partner guy of hers
that plays the acoustic guitar. They had Tom Brislin on keyboards. It
was all very well done, without any concessions whatsoever to age.
Annie's voice was pristine. If you don't like the music, then you
don't like the music and that's probably not gonna change. I will
admit to being rather non plussed with things I'd heard on the radio
over the years, but seeing them up close and personal made a much
deeper impression on me. Annie is a force to be reckoned with in her
own right....and they have some very good music to pull from.
Bruce D. Scott
Dec 23, 2011, 5:00:05 AM12/23/11
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jamesw...@yahoo.com (jamesw...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: It wasn't their age that was a problem. When I saw them only Dunford
the expectation of fire breathing or choreography. Yes didn't move
around much in those days either although there was the fog and lights
and some interesting imagery.
If you watch the 1977 BBC series om youtube you'll see it is pretty
similar, not much movement. In a way it is more concert music than
showstage music. You can get lost in the songs if they are as tight as
they were then (which to me doesn't seem to be the case).
I agree with you a bit about the orchestra. Changes in union rules
meant that they couldn't tour with the string section (after a certain
year, not sure when that was, 1977 or so?). It may have been a bit down
hill from that point on.
Still the charm is in the songwriting and the composition, not the show.
: It wasn't their age that was a problem. When I saw them only Dunford
: and Haslam were original and Haslam is only in her mid-60s. Besides,
: I've seen Gong and some of them are in their mid-70's and are
: exciting. Like I said above, the orchestra really helps full out the
: music and make it exciting. Also, Haslam just stands like a statue
: when she sings so there's not much to watch.
The times were also different, and for this type of music there wasn't
: I've seen Gong and some of them are in their mid-70's and are
: exciting. Like I said above, the orchestra really helps full out the
: music and make it exciting. Also, Haslam just stands like a statue
: when she sings so there's not much to watch.
the expectation of fire breathing or choreography. Yes didn't move
around much in those days either although there was the fog and lights
and some interesting imagery.
If you watch the 1977 BBC series om youtube you'll see it is pretty
similar, not much movement. In a way it is more concert music than
showstage music. You can get lost in the songs if they are as tight as
they were then (which to me doesn't seem to be the case).
I agree with you a bit about the orchestra. Changes in union rules
meant that they couldn't tour with the string section (after a certain
year, not sure when that was, 1977 or so?). It may have been a bit down
hill from that point on.
Still the charm is in the songwriting and the composition, not the show.
Bruce D. Scott
Dec 23, 2011, 5:02:05 AM12/23/11
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kmcpro615 (kmcp...@aol.com) wrote:
: I saw Renaissance on the 2010 tour w Steve Hackett and they kicked
OK that's good to hear... I've never had the privilege and have only
seen what's on youtube (past and present). I would very much like to
see them but the tour was short and didn't coincide with when I was in
the US (2011 was Sep to Nov or something).
For me though that 1977 stuff is the pinnacle.
: I saw Renaissance on the 2010 tour w Steve Hackett and they kicked
seen what's on youtube (past and present). I would very much like to
see them but the tour was short and didn't coincide with when I was in
the US (2011 was Sep to Nov or something).
For me though that 1977 stuff is the pinnacle.
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