Greatest rock vocalists of all time
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
Nice to see Jon Anderson on the list. I think he has an amazing, even
if it is slightly feminine. Of course Plant is the best! I also like
Gillan's voice, Bowie's and Mercury's voice as well. I am not a big
fan of Daltrey or Tyler or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
they are on the list. What about Syd Barrett?
I am not sure how David Coverdale, Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen,
Joe Cocker and Bono got in there.
1. Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
2. Freddie Mercury (Queen)
3. Paul Rodgers (Free/Bad Company)
4. Ian Gillan (Deep Purple)
5. Roger Daltrey (The Who)
6. David Coverdale (Whitesnake)
7. Axl Rose (Guns N' Roses)
8. Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
9. Mick Jagger (The Rolling Stones)
10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
11. David Bowie
12. Jon Bon Jovi (Bon Jovi)
13. Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)
14. Jon Anderson (Yes)
15. Bruce Springsteen
16. Joe Cocker
17. Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath)
18. Bono (U2)
19. Peter Gabriel
20. James Hetfield (Metallica)
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
"The Greatest Voice in Rock Top 40" was compiled by the station's DJs,
presenters and listeners, plus musicians, rock critics and experts
such as Tony Iommi from BLACK SABBATH, Phil Manzanera from ROXY MUSIC,
Ian Anderson from YES and LED ZEPPELIN biographer Mick Wall.
Planet Rock Programming Director Trevor White said: "It's great to see
Britain has produced the top three greatest rock vocalists of all
time."
The "Top 40 Greatest Voices in Rock," according to Planet Rock:
01. Robert Plant (LED ZEPPELIN)
02. Freddie Mercury (QUEEN)
03. Paul Rodgers (FREE, BAD COMPANY)
04. Ian Gillan (DEEP PURPLE)
05. Roger Daltrey (THE WHO)
06. David Coverdale (WHITESNAKE)
07. Axl Rose (GUNS N' ROSES)
08. Bruce Dickinson (IRON MAIDEN)
09. Mick Jagger (THE ROLLING STONES)
10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
11. David Bowie
12. Jon Bon Jovi (BON JOVI)
13. Steven Tyler (AEROSMITH)
14. Jon Anderson (YES)
15. Bruce Springsteen
16. Joe Cocker
17. Ozzy Osbourne
18. Bono (U2)
19. Peter Gabriel
20. James Hetfield (METALLICA)
21. Janis Joplin
22. Chris Cornell (AUDIOSLAVE / SOUNDGARDEN)
23. Roger Chapman (FAMILY)
24. Phil Lynott (THIN LIZZY)
25. Glenn Hughes (DEEP PURPLE)
26. Steve Perry (JOURNEY)
27. Jim Morrison (THE DOORS)
28. Alex Harvey (THE SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND)
29. Rob Halford (JUDAS PRIEST)
30. Ronnie James Dio (DIO)
31. Sammy Hagar (VAN HALEN)
32. Meat Loaf
33. Alice Cooper
34. Geddy Lee (RUSH)
35. Brian Johnson (AC/DC)
36. David Gilmour (PINK FLOYD)
37. Fish (MARILLION)
38. Dave Lee Roth (VAN HALEN)
39. Biff Byford (SAXON)
40. Neil Young
Dale Houstman
I would like to see Roky Erickson on that list: he had an amazing voice.
dmh
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
Coverdale and Glen Hughes. How about Rod Evans. I prefer him over
Coverdale.
bubba
bubba
wrote:
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bubba
wrote:
> 3 Deep Purple singers made the list... wow. Ian Gillan, David
> Coverdale and Glen Hughes. How about Rod Evans. I prefer him over
> Coverdale.
SUCK MY VAGINA RAJA
globular
> http://www.nme.com/news/nme/41860
>
> Nice to see Jon Anderson on the list. I think he has an amazing, even
> if it is slightly feminine. Of course Plant is the best! I also like
> Gillan's voice, Bowie's and Mercury's voice as well. I am not a big
> fan of Daltrey or Tyler or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
> they are on the list. What about Syd Barrett?
>
> I am not sure how David Coverdale, Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen,
> Joe Cocker and Bono got in there.
>
> 1. Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
> 2. Freddie Mercury (Queen)
> 3. Paul Rodgers (Free/Bad Company)
> 4. Ian Gillan (Deep Purple)
> 5. Roger Daltrey (The Who)
I think he earned that by time.
> 6. David Coverdale (Whitesnake)
> 7. Axl Rose (Guns N' Roses)
> 8. Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
> 9. Mick Jagger (The Rolling Stones)
> 10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
> 11. David Bowie
> 12. Jon Bon Jovi (Bon Jovi)
> 13. Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)
> 14. Jon Anderson (Yes)
> 15. Bruce Springsteen
> 16. Joe Cocker
> 17. Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath)
> 18. Bono (U2)
> 19. Peter Gabriel
> 20. James Hetfield (Metallica)
Have to include Jim Morrison and Ian Curtis.
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
Jim Morrison is at #27. And do classic rock radio play Joy Division?
This is a classic rock poll.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
wrote:
I'm putting in Jerry Lee Lewis.
who?
wrote:
I always liked Paul Rogers. Is he still alive?
Jeff
Ivan Maximus Lendl
He was pretty good. He is still alive. He is that old too to die
Superdave
<Chippa...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Nov 18, 7:45?pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
I'm putting in Tiny Tim
RichL
Sure! He's basically taken Freddie Mercury's place in Queen.
Dale Houstman
commitment to the band, but these replacements are usually
less-than-stellar events. For one thing, Freddie wasn't "just" a
vocalist, he was a writer, a showy performer, and a great personality.
But if that's what it takes to give the rest of them a job, so be it.
dmh
Eric Ramon
wrote:
horrible list, not worth noticing. Maybe some of you like this sort of
thing. Enjoy yourselves.
RichL
Agreed.
Patrick Kehoe
wrote:
++ "Vocalists"... rock singers... easy now... singers ok... but
vocalist... ya, right...
P
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bubba
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SUCK MY VAGINA RAJA
bubba
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> RichL wrote:
They released one album which was considered a joke. And they have
already broken up apparently (getting rid of Paul Rodgers)
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/queen___paul_rodgers
>
> dmh
number_six
wrote:
What a strange, stilted, unconvincing list. Who are these nme voters?
Was there no rock in the fifties? Is this supposed to be a "classic
rock" list but was not identified as such?
Did they disqualify every group that had more than one singer (Four
Tops for example)??
Did they never hear Patti Smith, Nico, Jim Morrison, Grace Slick or
Andrew Eldritch? Bono, Springsteen? The mind reels.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
Classic rock stations typically play music from 60s, 70s and heavy
metal of the 80s. So no surprise there. 50s are considered as oldies
and usually are playing on oldies station. I am surprised so many
people are unaware of this.
>
> Did they disqualify every group that had more than one singer (Four
> Tops for example)??
>
> Did they never hear Patti Smith, Nico, Jim Morrison, Grace Slick or
> Andrew Eldritch? Bono, Springsteen? The mind reels.
Jimi Morrison, Bono, Bruce Springsteen are on the list. Get glasses.
number_six
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It's not a matter of being *unaware* of this -- it's a matter of
objecting to it. The self-absorbed members of a particular generation
began using the term "oldies" when the music of the fifties was still
in recent memory (albeit not mine -- it predates me). I reject the
usage. If they just say "rock" let them mean what they say. I assure
you that generation did not invent the term, and their music is far
older now than the fifties music was when it began to be called
oldies.
Morrison is NOT on the portion of the nme list that you quoted. I
looked no further than the top 20 because it was manifestly clear it
was an incalculably lame list. That was the list to which my post
made specific reference, not the planet rock list. Perhaps your own
powers of observation are not so great that you should be urging
others to get glasses.
Regarding Bono and Springsteen, you misunderstood me. I should have
said "instead there is Bono and Springsteen?" The presence of these
individuals -- and several others -- on a list purporting to set forth
the greatest rock singers of all time is macabre, untenable. These
are among the most overrated performers of the rock era -- all of it.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
Who cares what you reject! There is a oldies channel in Houston and
also a classic rock channel. Oldies channel plays song from the 50s
upto British Invasion. Classic rock channel plays songs from towards
the end of British Invasion to late 80s.
>
> Morrison is NOT on the portion of the nme list that you quoted.
Planet rock list was until 40. The first link I gave had top 20, the
second one had 40 and both are from Planet Rock.
> I
> looked no further than the top 20 because it was manifestly clear it
> was an incalculably lame list. That was the list to which my post
> made specific reference, not the planet rock list. Perhaps your own
> powers of observation are not so great that you should be urging
> others to get glasses.
>
> Regarding Bono and Springsteen, you misunderstood me. I should have
> said "instead there is Bono and Springsteen?"
Okay, then learn to type ;-)
> The presence of these
> individuals -- and several others -- on a list purporting to set forth
> the greatest rock singers of all time is macabre, untenable. These
> are among the most overrated performers of the rock era -- all of it.
I agree, I do not consider Springsteen and Bono as great singers.
bubba
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bubba
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Die
bubba
wrote:
> 3 Deep Purple singers made the list... wow. Ian Gillan, David
> Coverdale and Glen Hughes. How about Rod Evans. I prefer him over
> Coverdale.
You like rod huh?
Dale Houstman
hyuck, hyuck, hyuck...
Everyone's a comedian! Well - maybe not you...
dmh
Fattuchus
wrote:
No John Lennon or Paul McCartney in the top 20?! Phoey.
ManBearPig
wrote:
> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
> a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
> station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
> of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>
> The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
>
> "The Greatest Voice in Rock Top 40" was compiled by the station's DJs,
> presenters and listeners, plus musicians, rock critics and experts
> such as Tony Iommi from BLACK SABBATH, Phil Manzanera from ROXY MUSIC,
> Ian Anderson from YES and LED ZEPPELIN biographer Mick Wall.
>
> Planet Rock Programming Director Trevor White said: "It's great to see
> Britain has produced the top three greatest rock vocalists of all
> time."
>
> The "Top 40 Greatest Voices in Rock," according to Planet Rock:
>
> 01. Robert Plant (LED ZEPPELIN)
> 02. Freddie Mercury (QUEEN)
> 03. Paul Rodgers (FREE, BAD COMPANY)
> 04. Ian Gillan (DEEP PURPLE)
> 05. Roger Daltrey (THE WHO)
> 06. David Coverdale (WHITESNAKE)
> 07. Axl Rose (GUNS N' ROSES)
> 08. Bruce Dickinson (IRON MAIDEN)
> 09. Mick Jagger (THE ROLLING STONES)
> 10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
> 11. David Bowie
> 13. Steven Tyler (AEROSMITH)
> 14. Jon Anderson (YES)
> 15. Bruce Springsteen
> 16. Joe Cocker
> 17. Ozzy Osbourne
> 19. Peter Gabriel
> 21. Janis Joplin
> 22. Chris Cornell (AUDIOSLAVE / SOUNDGARDEN)
> 23. Roger Chapman (FAMILY)
> 24. Phil Lynott (THIN LIZZY)
> 25. Glenn Hughes (DEEP PURPLE)
> 26. Steve Perry (JOURNEY)
> 27. Jim Morrison (THE DOORS)
> 28. Alex Harvey (THE SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND)
> 29. Rob Halford (JUDAS PRIEST)
> 30. Ronnie James Dio (DIO)
> 31. Sammy Hagar (VAN HALEN)
> 32. Meat Loaf
> 33. Alice Cooper
> 34. Geddy Lee (RUSH)
> 35. Brian Johnson (AC/DC)
> 36. David Gilmour (PINK FLOYD)
> 37. Fish (MARILLION)
> 38. Dave Lee Roth (VAN HALEN)
> 39. Biff Byford (SAXON)
> 40. Neil Young
Warren Zevon should be in the top 20.
Jim Beam
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83LowRider
"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Nobody can really take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't doubt Rogers
>> commitment to the band, but these replacements are usually
>> less-than-stellar events. For one thing, Freddie wasn't "just" a
>> vocalist, he was a writer, a showy performer, and a great personality.
>> But if that's what it takes to give the rest of them a job, so be it.
>
> Agreed.
Not totally sure, but was thinking a recent article said they had split
ways.
BassPlyr23
who usually goes by the name of "Raja", who comes into the Who
newsgroup periodically trying to convince all of us that Led Zeppelin,
not the Who, are the greatest band that ever existed (when we all know
the truth - it's the Beatles), and makes all kinds of outrageous
claims to prove his point. The "poll results" that he posted likely
came from inside his own head, not the NME. There is no poll of
"classic rock singers" worth the name in which Freddie Mercury would
finish behind Robert Plant, include three members of Deep Purple, and
would exclude Jim Morrison, Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, Buddy Holly or
Jerry Lee Lewis.
Piss off, troll, we all know it's you.
Superdave
What no Pete Sampras ???? WTF ? He had a nuclear voice !
Dale Houstman
care. While I support (and feel for) bands who have lost one of their
central "parts" attempting to "keep on keeping on," I don't usually go
crazy trying to buy their records. This would include any and all goes
at resurrecting the Doors (Morrison was not my favorite singer,
performer, or composer, but he was unique and irreplaceable), The Cars
(replace Ocasek? Not likely), and Led Zeppelin with Carrottop as lead
singer. Musicians have the right to keep working, but these sorts of
things are less about musicianship and more about branding: if band
members are really into the music, they should just form new bands and
try and create new music. We already have enough cover bands and oldies
groups...
dmh
The Arranger
wrote:
> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
> a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
> station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
> of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>
> The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
The entire list could attend a Klan rally without anyone getting
suspicious. Music is becoming more segregated every day.
The Arranger
Ivan Maximus Lendl
Hey douchebag, Jim Morrison is there. And this is not a 50s rock n
roll list. Its 60, 70s and 80s classic rock.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> No, you need to understand: The original post was made by a troll,
> who usually goes by the name of "Raja", who comes into the Who
> newsgroup periodically trying to convince all of us that Led Zeppelin,
> not the Who, are the greatest band that ever existed (when we all know
> the truth - it's the Beatles)
lol, yeah considering most of the song Beatles made were pop and not
rock. And the great live band that Beatles were ;-)
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> 83LowRider wrote:
> > "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:u6SdnTQLqI5XLpnW...@supernews.com...
>
> >>> Nobody can really take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't doubt Rogers
> >>> commitment to the band, but these replacements are usually
> >>> less-than-stellar events. For one thing, Freddie wasn't "just" a
> >>> vocalist, he was a writer, a showy performer, and a great personality.
> >>> But if that's what it takes to give the rest of them a job, so be it.
> >> Agreed.
>
> > Not totally sure, but was thinking a recent article said they had split
> > ways.
>
> So I've been informed. I didn't know. And - more importantly - I didn't
> care. While I support (and feel for) bands who have lost one of their
> central "parts" attempting to "keep on keeping on," I don't usually go
> crazy trying to buy their records. This would include any and all goes
> at resurrecting the Doors (Morrison was not my favorite singer,
> performer, or composer, but he was unique and irreplaceable), The Cars
> (replace Ocasek? Not likely), and Led Zeppelin with Carrottop as lead
> singer.
Idiot, Led Zeppelin never replaced anyone. Fuck you!
Ivan Maximus Lendl
singers didn't make whilst ignoring all the great other things about
the list like the list having many other great singers. Regarding the
absence of women, how many great classic rock bands (not pop) had
female singers? Almost next to none. Janis Joplin has no right to be
in that list. She had a horrific screechy voice. A better choice could
have been Sandy Denny or may be Grace Slick.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
Jimboy, Lennon and McCartney did not have great voices. Once in a
while, they put in some decent performances. But they lacked range and
power. You can forget about Harrison who sounded constipated most of
the time and Starkey who had comedic vocals. If you ever knew a thing
about singing, then you would not nomimate anyone from Beatles. Pink
Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
to have a great voice especially David Gilmour. Try to be objective
once in a while.
Elvis Presley was a great singer, but his era is considered oldies,
not classic rock. And this a classic rock list, compiled by a classic
rock station. And get some glasses, Bon Scott is on the list.
ManBearPig
Is there proof of this?
Wendell T. Stamps
JohnB
So, what do you know about singing which qualifies you above Jim? Have
you studied singing? Are you a singer of any note? No, I'm sorry,
you're just coming over a bit silly again. John Lennon was responsible
for some of the greatest rock vocals ever; so was Paul. The Beatles'
catalogue has many examples, and there are even examples in their solo
careers. They had range too, emotionally and texturally, that enabled
them to tackle a far greater range of styles than Plant ever could.
I doubt anyone would seriously offer Harrison or Starr up as great
rock vocalists but they have their fans. But Lennon and McCartney?
Popular opinion suggests you are wrong.
> Pink
> Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> to have a great voice especially David Gilmour. Try to be objective
> once in a while.
That's good coming from you. Objective? Ha.
> Elvis Presley was a great singer, but his era is considered oldies,
> not classic rock. And this a classic rock list, compiled by a classic
> rock station. And get some glasses, Bon Scott is on the list.
Elvis was a lot more than just an "oldie", but I do admit he never
sang on stage with Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or Yes.
You do have a suffocating need to categorise and list, don't you? Some
might call it obsession...
Oh, hang on, I believe they already have.
bubba
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EAT MY VAGINA
Jales
> Jimboy, Lennon and McCartney did not have great voices. Once in a
> while, they put in some decent performances. But they lacked range and
> power.
And Jagger does have range and power ?!?! C'mon!!!
Have you ever listened to Why Don't We Do It In The Road? Range and
power in less than two minutes...
You want some range: try So Bad (high notes) and then The Girl Is Mine
(some really low notes), or Don't Let It Bring You Down.... You want
power? Try Helter Skelter or Soily...
> Pink Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> to have a great voice especially David Gilmour. Try to be objective
> once in a while.
>
Yeah, sure Barrett had range and power LOL
number_six
> number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Morrison is NOT on the portion of the nme list that you quoted. I
> > looked no further than the top 20 because it was manifestly clear it
> > was an incalculably lame list. That was the list to which my post
> > made specific reference, not the planet rock list. Perhaps your own
> > powers of observation are not so great that you should be urging
> > others to get glasses.
>
> > Regarding Bono and Springsteen, you misunderstood me. I should have
> > said "instead there is Bono and Springsteen?" The presence of these
> > individuals -- and several others -- on a list purporting to set forth
> > the greatest rock singers of all time is macabre, untenable. These
> > are among the most overrated performers of the rock era -- all of it.
>
> the importance of Bono and Springsteen, etc. shows that your perspective
> on your own quirky subjectivity may be just as skewed as Raja's.
>
> And the whiff of Goth is heavy around you, grasshopper.
I think the Sisters of Mercy produced one of the great albums of the
rock era, yet they never appear on any list Raja pastes from his
favorite sources, nor on the lists he assembles himself, so I
occasionally remind him of this omission.
I had just listened a few days ago to Nico - Chelsea Girl Live and
found it atmospheric and very effective. So I threw her into the mix,
but no, not "mandatory". That list was very short on gals, though.
But you must realize that if goth was my primary musical interest, I
would hardly have asked where was Grace Slick, or where were the Four
Tops!
The crux of my objection is this -- this is a "classic rock" list
under a subject header that boldly proclaims "Greatest rock vocalists
of all time". Classic Rock, however venerated it may be, and I love
many of these groups, remains but a subset of rock music and the rock
era. Dropping the adjective and trying to co-opt the usage of "rock"
as a stand alone term is a lexical land-grab that cannot be tolerated.
As for Bono and Springsteen, I was disparaging their aesthetic value,
not their "importance". Even I must admit they are highly successful
and have sold a lot of units of product.
Mike Smith
> who? <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I always liked Paul Rogers. Is he still alive?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Sure! He's basically taken Freddie Mercury's place in Queen.
*Travesty*.
--
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
> Musicians have the right to keep working, but these sorts of
> things are less about musicianship and more about branding: if band
> members are really into the music, they should just form new bands and
> try and create new music.
But how could they charge $500 a ticket if they did that?
--
Mike Smith
Fattuchus
McCartney lacks range and power??????? Have you heard him sing Helter
Skelter? I'm Down? Oh! Darling???
richforman
Wow that was one of your biggest fails EVER. Grace Slick a better
voice than Janis Joplin....uh huh.
Anyway you miss the point as always. People aren't "dissing on the
list" because their fave isn't on it, but rather simply because it is
a list - you seem to not have noticed that nobody's interested in them
in general - especially ones posted by you.
richforman
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On 19 nov, 11:27, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Jimboy, Lennon and McCartney did not have great voices. Once in a
> > while, they put in some decent performances. But they lacked range and
> > power.
>
> And Jagger does have range and power ?!?! C'mon!!!
Where did I mention Jagger? Jagger has definitely got stronger vocals
then Lennon/McCartney.
>
> Have you ever listened to Why Don't We Do It In The Road? Range and
> power in less than two minutes...
> You want some range: try So Bad (high notes) and then The Girl Is Mine
> (some really low notes), or Don't Let It Bring You Down.... You want
> power? Try Helter Skelter or Soily...
Helter Skelter is laughably bad performance. His voice breaks in that.
>
> > Pink Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> > Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> > British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> > to have a great voice especially David Gilmour. Try to be objective
> > once in a while.
>
> Yeah, sure Barrett had range and power LOL
Have you heard Lucy Leave?
Ivan Maximus Lendl
I never said lacks. Every one has range and power. Some have more. The
extent of his range is short however.
>Have you heard him sing Helter
> Skelter? I'm Down? Oh! Darling???- Hide quoted text -
Bad example by mentioning Helter Skelter. Im Down was a better
performance.
Jales
> Where did I mention Jagger? Jagger has definitely got stronger vocals
> then Lennon/McCartney.
>
I’ll try to follow your reasoning:
Premise 1 (in your first post): I am not a big fan of Daltrey or Tyler
or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
they are on the list.
Premise 2 (a subsequent post of yours): Lennon and McCartney did not
have great voices. Once in a while, they put in some decent
performances. But they lacked range and power. You can forget about
Harrison who sounded constipated most of the time and Starkey who had
comedic vocals. If you ever knew a thing about singing, then you would
not nomimate anyone from Beatles
Logical conclusion: Jagger sings “better” than both Lennon and
McCartney
And now you say he's got stronger vocals.... can you at least tell
whether a singer is out of tune or not?
> Helter Skelter is laughably bad performance. His voice breaks in that.
Bad performance, judging against what standard??
> > Yeah, sure Barrett had range and power LOL
>
> Have you heard Lucy Leave?
So you take just one song to consider him better than Gilmour (and
Lennon/McCartney).... I won't even bother to name a song by Lennon or
McCartney that suits your criteria
Jales
> lol, yeah considering most of the song Beatles made were pop and not
> rock. And the great live band that Beatles were ;-)
And Pink Floyd or Yes is more rock than the Beatles !?! LOL
Jales
You can forget about Harrison who sounded constipated most of
> the time and Starkey who had comedic vocals. If you ever knew a thing
> about singing, then you would not nomimate anyone from Beatles.
Since you mention Harrison and Starkey (whom nobody here is proposing
for your list, let me tell you what I think (although I'm probably not
as qualified as you to judge on these things...)
(the following is IMHO, of course)
I prefer Jon Anderson over Harrison and Starkey, but Lennon and
McCartney sing better than him to my ears
Chris Squire and Steve Howe both sound at least as "constipated" as
Harrison
Gilmour is the only one in Pink Floyd with enough confidence in his
voice, but in no way "better" than either John or Paul
Plant is a good singer, but not as versatile as Macca (or even as
Jagger).
Harrison and Starr do sing, unlike Wakeman, White, Bruford, Page,
Jones, Bonham and Manson....
As for comedic vocals I'd vote for Waters.
Harrison is a good singer, although he has not a wide range.... I
think he sings "better" than Ringo
I prefer Starr over Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Ron Wood, Charlie
Watts, Mick Taylor or Brian Jones (which is equal as saying that the
"worst" Beatles singer is "better" than any of Jagger's band mates, at
least in my world....)
> Pink Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> to have a great voice especially David Gilmour.
IMO, the best singer in Pink Floyd is Clare Torry ;-)
> Try to be objective once in a while.
Do you know what objective means??
Fake
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On 19 nov, 11:27, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You can forget about Harrison who sounded constipated most of
>
> > the time and Starkey who had comedic vocals. If you ever knew a thing
> > about singing, then you would not nomimate anyone from Beatles.
>
> Since you mention Harrison and Starkey (whom nobody here is proposing
> for your list, let me tell you what I think (although I'm probably not
> as qualified as you to judge on these things...)
>
> (the following is IMHO, of course)
> I prefer Jon Anderson over Harrison and Starkey, but Lennon and
> McCartney sing better than him to my ears
> Chris Squire and Steve Howe both sound at least as "constipated" as
> Harrison
Hilarious you made this a Beatles vs Yes argument.... lol. I would not
put Chris Squire or Steve Howe as singers at all. During Yes' peak
they never sang a single lead vocal.
> Gilmour is the only one in Pink Floyd with enough confidence in his
> voice, but in no way "better" than either John or Paul
Now it is Beatles vs Pink Floyd, huh. I agree that John and Pul are
better than any singer in Floyd except Barrett.
> Plant is a good singer, but not as versatile as Macca (or even as
> Jagger).
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFLMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Sorry I had to really laugh at that.
> Harrison and Starr do sing, unlike Wakeman, White, Bruford, Page,
> Jones, Bonham and Manson....
So I guess Beatles 1 Zeppelin and Yes 0. Happy now?
> As for comedic vocals I'd vote for Waters.
He is not bad. But he doesnt posses great voice. After Barrett, I
prefer Wright's vocals. Gilmour can sound ridiculous when trying to
sing high pitch just like McCartney.
> Harrison is a good singer, although he has not a wide range....
He seems bored in every song he sings.
>I
> think he sings "better" than Ringo
Ringo at least has some energy.
> I prefer Starr over Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Ron Wood, Charlie
> Watts, Mick Taylor or Brian Jones (which is equal as saying that the
> "worst" Beatles singer is "better" than any of Jagger's band mates, at
> least in my world....)
Those guys sing. Keith Richards should be banned from singing....
ever.
>
> > Pink Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> > Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> > British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> > to have a great voice especially David Gilmour.
>
> IMO, the best singer in Pink Floyd is Clare Torry ;-)
Agreed.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> Lou Reed?
For laughs? I like Lou Reed a lot. and his voice suits VU, just like
Ozzy's voice suits Sabbath and Hendrix voice suit TJHE. But none of
them have great voices.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
None of them are pop at least. Yes is far more agressive than Pink
Floyd. Their songs have complicated structure but it is still rock.
Any one who thinks Starship Trooper is not rock is a dumbass. Pink
Floyd were rock as well (there is hardly any pop element). 50% or more
of Beatles songs are pop, psychedelic pop, nursery rhymes or some
lounge shit like Good Night. At least Yes/Floyd never made lullabies
like Good Night.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On Nov 19, 9:22 am, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
> > On Nov 19, 7:12 am, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 18, 7:48 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> > > > According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
> > > > a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
> > > > station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
> > > > of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>
> > > > The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
>
> > > The entire list could attend a Klan rally without anyone getting
> > > suspicious. Music is becoming more segregated every day.
>
> > Its amazing people diss on a list just because one of their favorite
> > singers didn't make whilst ignoring all the great other things about
> > the list like the list having many other great singers. Regarding the
> > absence of women, how many great classic rock bands (not pop) had
> > female singers? Almost next to none. Janis Joplin has no right to be
> > in that list. She had a horrific screechy voice. A better choice could
> > have been Sandy Denny or may be Grace Slick.
>
> Wow that was one of your biggest fails EVER. Grace Slick a better
> voice than Janis Joplin....uh huh.
I prefer singing over screeching.
>
> Anyway you miss the point as always. People aren't "dissing on the
> list" because their fave isn't on it, but rather simply because it is
> a list - you seem to not have noticed that nobody's interested in them
> in general - especially ones posted by you.
>
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Jim Beam
That is some good company to be getting balls busted with, thanks.
That's what makes them great.
If you ever knew a thing
> about singing, then you would not nomimate anyone from Beatles.
This a America dammit, I can nominate Kermit the Frog if I choose to.
I do know some about singing, was trained in my youth but years of
smoking and
yelling over jack-hammers and other loud noises took its toll .
Could still belt one out every now and then.
Pink
> Floyd are a great band and they are my 3rd favorite band after Led
> Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> to have a great voice especially David Gilmour. Try to be objective
> once in a while.
Still listen to Zep, man.
Have admit Plant does sound like he got kicked in the nuts at times.
Floyd,
You could turn the singing off and the music will still take you away.
> Elvis Presley was a great singer, but his era is considered oldies,
> not classic rock. And this a classic rock list, compiled by a classic
> rock station.
I'd take Elvis over all of them.
And get some glasses
Bon Scott is on the list.-
Over forty years, just woke up and only one cop of mud and the sand
was still in my eyes, unlike you I have to be up for work, don't have
time
for sitting on my ass all day like you and type up lists.
It could have been off of one of your other lists. There are alot of
them and they
all seem the same after the first 1000.
AC/DC kicks some ass, seen them four times, first time in 1981 in the
Philly Spectum.
Jim Beam
> Lou Reed?
Got a vote from me.
Jim Beam
> On Nov 19, 11:41 am, richforman <rforma...@msn.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 19, 9:22 am, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 19, 7:12 am, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 18, 7:48 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> I prefer singing over screeching.
Why bring Yoko in on this?
>
> > Anyway you miss the point as always. People aren't "dissing on the
> > list" because their fave isn't on it, but rather simply because it is
> > a list - you seem to not have noticed that nobody's interested in them
> > in general - especially ones posted by you.
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> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Nobody can really take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't doubt Rogers
>>> commitment to the band, but these replacements are usually
>>> less-than-stellar events. For one thing, Freddie wasn't "just" a
>>> vocalist, he was a writer, a showy performer, and a great
>>> personality. But if that's what it takes to give the rest of them a
>>> job, so be it.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> Not totally sure, but was thinking a recent article said they had
> split ways.
Yeah, you're right (just looked it up...).
RichL
Better than digging up the corpse, eh?
Besides, despite my awkward wording above, Queen insisted on billing the
act as "Paul Rodgers + Queen", implying that Paul was NOT replacing
Freddie.
Hey I much prefer the original act as well, but you can't turn back the
clock. Enough folks wanted to hear the songs live to support several
tours, and Roger (Taylor) and Brian (May) still have a right to earn a
living.
RichL
> So, what do you know about singing which qualifies you above Jim? Have
> you studied singing? Are you a singer of any note? No, I'm sorry,
> you're just coming over a bit silly again. John Lennon was responsible
> for some of the greatest rock vocals ever; so was Paul. The Beatles'
> catalogue has many examples, and there are even examples in their solo
> careers. They had range too, emotionally and texturally, that enabled
> them to tackle a far greater range of styles than Plant ever could.
> I doubt anyone would seriously offer Harrison or Starr up as great
> rock vocalists but they have their fans. But Lennon and McCartney?
> Popular opinion suggests you are wrong.
The truth of the matter is, any list that Raja posts is by default
extracted from a web site that concentrates on music of a certain style
and era. It will automatically exclude the Beatles on those grounds.
And Raja is blissfully unaware of any music that isn't "classic rock"
(post-1968) or metal dumbed down for the masses.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On 19 nov, 15:24, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Where did I mention Jagger? Jagger has definitely got stronger vocals
> > then Lennon/McCartney.
>
> I’ll try to follow your reasoning:
> Premise 1 (in your first post): I am not a big fan of Daltrey or Tyler
> or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
> they are on the list.
> Premise 2 (a subsequent post of yours): Lennon and McCartney did not
> have great voices. Once in a while, they put in some decent
> performances. But they lacked range and power. You can forget about
> Harrison who sounded constipated most of the time and Starkey who had
> comedic vocals. If you ever knew a thing about singing, then you would
> not nomimate anyone from Beatles
> Logical conclusion: Jagger sings “better” than both Lennon and
> McCartney
Sings better? Who is talking about that. I am talking about the
singing voice. Jagger has a more powerful voice than both McCartney/
Lennon, but I might actually prefer their style of singing better.
> And now you say he's got stronger vocals.... can you at least tell
> whether a singer is out of tune or not?
>
> > Helter Skelter is laughably bad performance. His voice breaks in that.
>
> Bad performance, judging against what standard??
Just that song... I don't like it when he tries to sing high pitch.
>
> > > Yeah, sure Barrett had range and power LOL
>
> > Have you heard Lucy Leave?
>
> So you take just one song to consider him better than Gilmour (and
> Lennon/McCartney).... I won't even bother to name a song by Lennon or
> McCartney that suits your criteria
Dude, David Bowie was massively influenced by Syd Barrett. His
confident British way of singing was inspirational for David Bowie,
who himself is a great singer. None of the other Floyd singers were
as confident as Syd was.
Watch these videos and tell me didn't have a great voice. He didnt
last too long with a band... a mere one year when they were active
(1967). So I cannot provide too many examples. When he was sane, he
made only one album with Floyd and a few singles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU_aCH41-0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frkbSLTwmQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sNEedLeHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A9iPFF5Yrs
Dale Houstman
> On Nov 19, 6:33 am, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
>> 83LowRider wrote:
>>> "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u6SdnTQLqI5XLpnW...@supernews.com...
>>>>> Nobody can really take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't doubt Rogers
>>>>> commitment to the band, but these replacements are usually
>>>>> less-than-stellar events. For one thing, Freddie wasn't "just" a
>>>>> vocalist, he was a writer, a showy performer, and a great personality.
>>>>> But if that's what it takes to give the rest of them a job, so be it.
>>>> Agreed.
>>> Not totally sure, but was thinking a recent article said they had split
>>> ways.
>> care. While I support (and feel for) bands who have lost one of their
>> central "parts" attempting to "keep on keeping on," I don't usually go
>> crazy trying to buy their records. This would include any and all goes
>> at resurrecting the Doors (Morrison was not my favorite singer,
>> performer, or composer, but he was unique and irreplaceable), The Cars
>> (replace Ocasek? Not likely), and Led Zeppelin with Carrottop as lead
>> singer.
>
> Idiot, Led Zeppelin never replaced anyone. Fuck you!
It's what is known as a joke, dim turnip...
dmh
Dale Houstman
Yes. That's why I consider it mainly a matter of branding...
dmh
Mike Smith
Sure they do. Never said otherwise. Meanwhile, I have a right to call
it... a *travesty*.
--
Mike Smith
Dale Houstman
Lennon's music - quite well. Everyone knows the songs, and a good time
is had by all. If Queen wants to play the songs, and it brings enjoyment
to the masses, what's the noise? Freddie CAN'T be replaced, but the band
can probably recreate a pleasing copy of the songs, as least as well as
a bunch of local musicians who were never in the Beatles can pull off
Lennon's canon.
dmh
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
That was a joke as well, dumbo. You think I will get mad for that?
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> On Nov 19, 11:06 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 19, 9:27 am, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Nov 18, 7:48 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> > > > > According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
> > > > > a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
> > > > > station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
> > > > > of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>
> > > > > The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
>
> > > while, they put in some decent performances. But they lacked range and
> > > power.
>
>
> I never said lacks. Every one has range and power. Some have more. The
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>
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> On Nov 19, 9:58 am, Jales <jales...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 19 nov, 11:27, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jimboy, Lennon and McCartney did not have great voices. Once in a
> > > while, they put in some decent performances. But they lacked range and
> > > power.
>
>
> Where did I mention Jagger? Jagger has definitely got stronger vocals
> then Lennon/McCartney.
>
>
>
> > power in less than two minutes...
> > You want some range: try So Bad (high notes) and then The Girl Is Mine
> > (some really low notes), or Don't Let It Bring You Down.... You want
> > power? Try Helter Skelter or Soily...
>
> Helter Skelter is laughably bad performance. His voice breaks in that.
>
>
>
> > > Zeppelin and Yes, but except Syd Barrett, who had a great unique
> > > British sounding voice, I do not consider anyone else from that band
> > > once in a while.
>
> > Yeah, sure Barrett had range and power LOL
>
> Have you heard Lucy Leave?
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globular
> On Nov 18, 7:30 pm, globular <s...@there.invalid> wrote:
>> Ivan "Maximus" Lendl wrote:
>>> Nice to see Jon Anderson on the list. I think he has an amazing, even
>>> if it is slightly feminine. Of course Plant is the best! I also like
>>> Gillan's voice, Bowie's and Mercury's voice as well. I am not a big
>>> fan of Daltrey or Tyler or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
>>> I am not sure how David Coverdale, Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen,
>>> Joe Cocker and Bono got in there.
>>> 1. Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
>>> 2. Freddie Mercury (Queen)
>>> 3. Paul Rodgers (Free/Bad Company)
>>> 4. Ian Gillan (Deep Purple)
>>> 5. Roger Daltrey (The Who)
>> I think he earned that by time.
>>
>>> 6. David Coverdale (Whitesnake)
>>> 7. Axl Rose (Guns N' Roses)
>>> 8. Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
>>> 9. Mick Jagger (The Rolling Stones)
>>> 10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
>>> 11. David Bowie
>>> 13. Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)
>>> 14. Jon Anderson (Yes)
>>> 15. Bruce Springsteen
>>> 16. Joe Cocker
>>> 18. Bono (U2)
>>> 19. Peter Gabriel
>> Have to include Jim Morrison and Ian Curtis.
>
> Jim Morrison is at #27. And do classic rock radio play Joy Division?
> This is a classic rock poll.
>
My brain cells stop working when you mention 'classic rock'.
Joy Division are almost candidates anyway for such things now.
Crooners of rock are under represented and rare.
globular
> On Nov 19, 7:12 am, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 7:48 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to U.K.'s Daily Mail, LED ZEPPELIN's Robert Plant has topped
>>> a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
>>> station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
>>> of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>>> The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
>> suspicious. Music is becoming more segregated every day.
>>
> Its amazing people diss on a list just because one of their favorite
> singers didn't make whilst ignoring all the great other things about
> the list like the list having many other great singers. Regarding the
> absence of women, how many great classic rock bands (not pop) had
> female singers? Almost next to none. Janis Joplin has no right to be
> in that list. She had a horrific screechy voice. A better choice could
> have been Sandy Denny or may be Grace Slick.
>
>
Well the list is biassed towards pseudo-heavy metal.
Things just repeat themselves for years.
Roger Daltrey is an odd choice, he only achieved this result from longevity.
Dale Houstman
Well, you have the "right" to call it a "unicorn's dumbwaiter" if you
like, but that don't make it a "unicorn's dumbwaiter". At any rate,
since you have agreed that the remaining musicians have a right to make
a living (a "tight" on a different level than your one to call it a
"travesty") then you are also agreeing that it is NOT a "travesty" (one
of those hyperbolic words applied lazily and often to such events). At
best you could now call it a financial necessity.
dmh
Jales
> None of them are pop at least.
Depends on how you define “pop”… I call Britney Spears “pop”…
> Yes is far more agressive than Pink Floyd. Their songs have complicated structure but it is still rock.
> Any one who thinks Starship Trooper is not rock is a dumbass. Pink
> Floyd were rock as well (there is hardly any pop element).
Even if I agree on Starship Trooper being rock, you should agree
Revolution is also rock....
As for Pink Floyd, never heard a band with so few uptempo songs....
Except for Gilmour, they are IMO quite overrated as instrumentalists
and as musicians. Even their longest songs are pretty simple structure-
wise. They are very minimalistic, almost “atmospheric”, nevertheless I
do enjoy their music....
The studio disc on Ummagumma is a good example on filling a whole
record with sounds and few musical ideas. Ditto for Atom Heart Mother,
where Ron Geesin is the only one providing some ideas on a rather
repetitive backing by the Floyd.... It's not precisely a "rocking"
track....
> 50% or more of Beatles songs are pop, psychedelic pop, nursery rhymes or some
> lounge shit like Good Night.
The Beatles could never match Pink Floyd’s attempt at lounge music on
San Tropez
Both Pink Floyd and Yes never "rocked" as much as The Beatles on
Money, for example, a track which was recorded in 1963 with much less
recording technology available than anything recorded by Yes and Pink
Floyd. In fact, Yes did try to "rock" like the Beatles on I'm
Down.....
I'd say less than 15% of both Yes and Pink Floyd output is "rock"
> At least Yes/Floyd never made lullabies like Good Night.
Time And A Word, Soon, Onward and Time Is Time sound pretty like
lullabies to me (and I like ‘em all).... Fat Old Sun isn't what I'd
call rock music
Peach
> On Nov 19, 7:12 am, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 18, 7:48 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Arti...
>
> > > a poll of the greatest voices in rock organized by digital radio
> > > station Planet Rock. QUEEN's Freddie Mercury came second, Paul Rodgers
> > > of FREE came next while THE WHO frontman Roger Daltrey came fifth.
>
> > > The only female voice on the list was that of Janis Joplin.
>
> > The entire list could attend a Klan rally without anyone getting
> > suspicious. Music is becoming more segregated every day.
>
> Its amazing people diss on a list just because one of their favorite
> singers didn't make whilst ignoring all the great other things about
> the list like the list having many other great singers. Regarding the
> absence of women, how many great classic rock bands (not pop) had
> female singers? Almost next to none. Janis Joplin has no right to be
> in that list. She had a horrific screechy voice. A better choice could
> have been Sandy Denny or may be Grace Slick.
Ann Wilson says fuck you.
Peach
Peach
> Lou Reed?
Yea, I guess if we're going to have NEIL YOUNG on the list, we might
as well have Lou. Heh
Peach
Peach
> On Nov 18, 7:51 pm, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 9:40 pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 18, 4:45 pm, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.nme.com/news/nme/41860
>
> > > > Nice to see Jon Anderson on the list. I think he has an amazing, even
> > > > if it is slightly feminine. Of course Plant is the best! I also like
> > > > Gillan's voice, Bowie's and Mercury's voice as well. I am not a big
> > > > fan of Daltrey or Tyler or Jagger's voice but I can understand why
> > > > they are on the list. What about Syd Barrett?
>
> > > > I am not sure how David Coverdale, Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen,
> > > > Joe Cocker and Bono got in there.
>
> > > > 1. Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
> > > > 2. Freddie Mercury (Queen)
> > > > 3. Paul Rodgers (Free/Bad Company)
> > > > 4. Ian Gillan (Deep Purple)
> > > > 5. Roger Daltrey (The Who)
> > > > 7. Axl Rose (Guns N' Roses)
> > > > 8. Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
> > > > 9. Mick Jagger (The Rolling Stones)
> > > > 10. Bon Scott (AC/DC)
> > > > 11. David Bowie
> > > > 12. Jon Bon Jovi (Bon Jovi)
> > > > 13. Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)
> > > > 14. Jon Anderson (Yes)
> > > > 15. Bruce Springsteen
> > > > 16. Joe Cocker
> > > > 17. Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath)
> > > > 18. Bono (U2)
> > > > 19. Peter Gabriel
> > > > 20. James Hetfield (Metallica)
>
>
> > > Was there no rock in the fifties? Is this supposed to be a "classic
> > > rock" list but was not identified as such?
>
> > Classic rock stations typically play music from 60s, 70s and heavy
> > metal of the 80s. So no surprise there. 50s are considered as oldies
> > and usually are playing on oldies station. I am surprised so many
> > people are unaware of this.
>
> > > Did they disqualify every group that had more than one singer (Four
> > > Tops for example)??
>
> > > Did they never hear Patti Smith, Nico, Jim Morrison, Grace Slick or
> > > Andrew Eldritch? Bono, Springsteen? The mind reels.
>
> > Jimi Morrison, Bono, Bruce Springsteen are on the list. Get glasses.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> objecting to it. The self-absorbed members of a particular generation
> began using the term "oldies" when the music of the fifties was still
> in recent memory (albeit not mine -- it predates me). I reject the
> usage. If they just say "rock" let them mean what they say. I assure
> you that generation did not invent the term, and their music is far
> older now than the fifties music was when it began to be called
> oldies.
>
> Morrison is NOT on the portion of the nme list that you quoted. I
> looked no further than the top 20 because it was manifestly clear it
> was an incalculably lame list. That was the list to which my post
> made specific reference, not the planet rock list. Perhaps your own
> powers of observation are not so great that you should be urging
> others to get glasses.
>
> Regarding Bono and Springsteen, you misunderstood me. I should have
> said "instead there is Bono and Springsteen?" The presence of these
> individuals -- and several others -- on a list purporting to set forth
> the greatest rock singers of all time is macabre, untenable. These
> are among the most overrated performers of the rock era -- all of it.- Hide quoted text -
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Would have liked to see Pete Ham on the list....sigh. Talk about
underrated.
Peach
Jeff
Underrated by you. I like Pete Ham. Many people do. How
do you know they don't?
Jales
> Janis Joplin has no right to be
> in that list. She had a horrific screechy voice. A better choice could
> have been Sandy Denny or may be Grace Slick.
Funny you say this, considering the fact that Robert Plant did all he
could to imitate her
Mike Smith
> At any rate,
> since you have agreed that the remaining musicians have a right to make
> a living (a "tight" on a different level than your one to call it a
> "travesty") then you are also agreeing that it is NOT a "travesty" (one
> of those hyperbolic words applied lazily and often to such events).
Sez who? Who's to say that the musicians in question can't be earning a
living, while at the same time perpetrating a travesty of their original
group and its work?
1. a literary or artistic burlesque of a serious work or subject,
characterized by grotesque or ludicrous incongruity of style, treatment,
or subject matter.
2. a literary or artistic composition so inferior in quality as to be
merely a grotesque imitation of its model.
3. any grotesque or debased likeness or imitation: a travesty of justice.
While the musicians may have a right to earn a living, that doesn't
automatically legitimize anything they choose to do, from an aesthetic
standpoint - at least, not to *me* it doesn't.
--
Mike "again, *travesty*" Smith
Jales
> Watch these videos and tell me didn't have a great voice. He didnt
> last too long with a band... a mere one year when they were active
> (1967). So I cannot provide too many examples. When he was sane, he
> made only one album with Floyd and a few singles.
I've just watched these videos, he's good, but even the Bee Gees
rocked harder (and sang rock "better"). Examples: Back Home, In My Own
Time, The Earnest of Being George, Every Second Every Minute, Bad Bad
Dreams....
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On 19 nov, 19:08, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > None of them are pop at least.
>
> Depends on how you define “pop”… I call Britney Spears “pop”…
That is just bad pop. And not the only form of pop, If you want good
pop listen to Beach Boys, Beatles, Bee Gees, ABBA etc.
>
> > Yes is far more agressive than Pink Floyd. Their songs have complicated structure but it is still rock.
> > Any one who thinks Starship Trooper is not rock is a dumbass. Pink
> > Floyd were rock as well (there is hardly any pop element).
>
> Even if I agree on Starship Trooper being rock, you should agree
> Revolution is also rock....
When did I say Revolution is not rock? When did I ever say Beatles
made only pop song. I said 50% of their songs are pop.
>
> As for Pink Floyd, never heard a band with so few uptempo songs....
> Except for Gilmour, they are IMO quite overrated as instrumentalists
> and as musicians. Even their longest songs are pretty simple structure-
> wise. They are very minimalistic, almost “atmospheric”, nevertheless I
> do enjoy their music....
You think Any colour you like is simple? Money is simple? What was so
simple about Astronomy Domine?
>
> The studio disc on Ummagumma is a good example on filling a whole
> record with sounds and few musical ideas. Ditto for Atom Heart Mother,
> where Ron Geesin is the only one providing some ideas on a rather
> repetitive backing by the Floyd.... It's not precisely a "rocking"
> track....
Why pick on weaker albums? Did I bring up the trash on the White
Album? Lets talk about The Piper or The Dark Side.
>
> > 50% or more of Beatles songs are pop, psychedelic pop, nursery rhymes or some
> > lounge shit like Good Night.
>
> The Beatles could never match Pink Floyd’s attempt at lounge music on
> San Tropez
yes they did... Good Night beats everything.
>
> Both Pink Floyd and Yes never "rocked" as much as The Beatles on
> Money, for example, a track which was recorded in 1963 with much less
> recording technology available than anything recorded by Yes and Pink
> Floyd. In fact, Yes did try to "rock" like the Beatles on I'm
> Down.....
Clearly delusional
>
> I'd say less than 15% of both Yes and Pink Floyd output is "rock"
LOL. 90% of Yes output is rock. 60% of Pink Floyd is rock.
>
> > At least Yes/Floyd never made lullabies like Good Night.
>
> Time And A Word, Soon,
Soon is a not a song dumbo. It is part of A Gates of Delerium which is
kicks might ass until the Soon part. Time And A Word is not a lullaby
but a Beatles kinda song. They stayed away from that starting The Yes
Album. wise decision.
>Onward and Time Is Time
wow ran out of options, and picking on lame post peak songs.
>sound pretty like
> lullabies to me (and I like ‘em all)...
>. Fat Old Sun isn't what I'd
> call rock music
What about Young Lust, Another Brick In the Wall, Have a Cigar, Money,
Astronomy Domine, Lucy Leave, Lucifer Sam... the list is endless.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
I forgot about her. No need to to be an asshole about this. Annie
Haslem and Renate were better.