Is Jungle and D&B dying?
Chetan Lad
concerning JUNGLE / D&B.
Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle (I am
practically crying). I love jungle, I love everything about jungle but it
seems its 'old hat' know when I think its reaching its best. All of the
artists out there right know are pure brilliance, no faults or crap.
Please somebody tell me whats going on, has everybody lost or is it really
dying out?
Chetski
daew...@hotmail.com
@home
though there are still some scenes in which jungle is beginning to come
into light! Like just the other day I was at the Hawaii raves website
and they were commenting on how they would like to get more jungle Djs
and there weren't enough junglists "yet" to support the style in their
scene. No I don't believe at all that it is dying, in fact I think that
it is still growing and will continue to do so. Just my .02!
~Maressa
ICQ: 29777248
JOOR
states. I personally think it is heading for monster explosion of grand
preportions. Even mainstream is attempting to catch the vibe, which they
never will. If commercialism is trying to get it, then it pulsating with
energy.
JOOR
http://joor.com
Howden
JOOR wrote in message ...
>Jungle is in no way dying. It is becoming ever more popular here in the
>states
Imagine my surprise when I stumbled on some fierce drum and bass at a
warehouse party in the middle of downtown Dallas Texas that is....from what
I had previously gathered, all the punters here were into were funky breaks
and house. What a night that was. Hmmmmm I know the mc'ing is apart of the
whole thing, but could anyone be more of an annoying cunt? I'm more than
happy listening to repetitive tunes without human intervention thank ye very
much, but still, what a night, what a rig, I had forgotten what it was like
to be pummeled by a 12 k rig from 2 foot away. Magic.
Just slowly getting into d&b, and all I can say is it is fookin great,
well........Rush, Optical, Nico styles anyway..........hard to get a
hard-techno head away from those scary noises :o)
Ez
scene is big as ever right now, it can live side by side with house and
garage....I saw Goldie at Gatecrasher a progressive trance, radio 1 dance
night, the clubbers did Goldie proud...proof enough, dnB is expanding all the
time.
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Chetan Lad
shiite as everyone gets into it it will become too broad and not a special
thing it orginally was eg just look at house; Armand Van Helden has made it
big and therefore made house sound too common and everyone likes it, But it
lakes everything a good house track should!
Andy Morris
Chetan Lad wrote in message <7l0qps$730$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
>feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle
Hell no its just no longer Flavor of the Month with people who are into the
Flavor of the Month.
Yes there is probably less chance of any old chancer with a dozen plates
getting paid as a Jungle DJ, and the days of a Jungle club getting a rave
mention in Time Out and getting packed the next week, are probably gone.
However there are still strong clubs running regularly all over.
Maybe there are fewer 'Ultimate' collection 4cd box sets coming out but I
think there are more solid artist albums out than I can remember there being
before. Flogging a few k 12" to DJ's and trainspotters may be a gas, but it
wont make you a living, nor will being on a dodgy comp, Your own Album
might.
Fuck it I've just spent most of a days wages on artist album cd's, and there
all
solid, it can't be that bad
Nick
say its getting too commercial !!! Jungle/d&b is not very commercial at all
at the moment - we seem to be in one of those 'quiet' patches at the
moment - UK garage has certainly overtaken the London clubs/stations for the
last few years which is probably why you're concerned....previous to that
jungle ruled the airwaves in London....
On a different note....I'm not the only one to think that Van Helden's You
Dont know me is a great house tune (I read that Grooverider thinks its great
as well!) - the best house tune this year I'd say. And to bring this little
post to a close.....Van Helden was very influential and responsible for UK
garage as we know it with his Tori Amos remix and the Spin Spin Sugar
remixes (and a few others) a few years ago - he's definitely one of the
major figures behind speed garage (or UK garage as it is now known).....and
I'd definitely prefer garage to the f*****g big hype that's called trance
right now....
Nick
Chetan Lad wrote in message <7l2g3g$kql$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Arthur Kenny
pushed upon us to weed out the unwanted amongst D&B.
Its just not getting the same bullshit media coverage that happened in 95/96
when the Mixmags of this world mysteriously discovered D&B thanx to Bukem.
As usual they quickly moved on when they got bored and thought speed-garage
(old hardcore) was the dogs bollox. So on and so on.....
If the hardcore support remain exactly that D&B will always be strong. I
have a feeling that London might be the area getting the worst of the
backlash. Birmingham is getting a revitalisation, remember Quest nights at
the Q with Ratty headlining. Glory days.
fabio.
Chetan Lad <che...@clad20.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7l0qps$730$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hello my name is Chetski and I live in SE London UK and I am having a
fright
> concerning JUNGLE / D&B.
>
> Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
DAMAJA2010
through to replace a few old hats that no longer enjoy the music and just do it
for the money.
There are people out there such as Ed Rush and Optical, Andy C, DJ Hype etc who
are trying hard to bring new things to Jungle.
But there are people like Mickey Finn and Grooverider who I think no longer
have the same passion for the music, and they just slack out and makes the
scene a bit stale at times.
But no I dont think Jungle is dying. Its just that garage and Trance, the old
rivals of jungle are becoming much bigger.
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
P.S if you are listening to Happy Hardcore it is time for you to start worrying
about your music dying. That pile of shit is getting smaller by the day. (phew)
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
clad20.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Hello my name is Chetski and I live in SE London UK and I am having a fright
>concerning JUNGLE / D&B.
>
>Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
>feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle (I am
>practically crying). I love jungle, I love everything about jungle but it
>seems its 'old hat' know when I think its reaching its best. All of the
>artists out there right know are pure brilliance, no faults or crap.
>Please somebody tell me whats going on, has everybody lost or is it really
>dying out?
try moving elsewhere because there's fuck all in most places outside
London! : )
No, I don't think it's dying out, but I don't think it'll ever be a scene which
gets truly commercialised either, it's always going to have a pretty small,
but very loyal, following. Let's face it, it's not really a sound you can
sing/hum along to, so that just about wipes out a significant proportion of
buyers straight away. Which is a good thing if you think about it.
It's not my favourite music, by a long way, but I don't think I've ever
bought a bad D 'n' B record; which isn't something I can say for
house/garage, unfortunately. I've been into it since the "helium vocals"
days, and I never seem to get fed up of it (which, again, isn't something I
can say about house/garage). I guess a lot of other people feel the same
way.
--
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IMPORTANT!!! remove the "xxx" in the email address to reply
Meral Atilgan
I don't care to comment on the issue at hand, but wanted ask Arthur if he
knows there's an annoying
Happy.exe virus attached to his first mail?
thank you
MS
Arthur Kenny <A.K...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I just feel that its re-grouping again like back in 93 when the dark era
was
> pushed upon us to weed out the unwanted amongst D&B.
>
> Its just not getting the same bullshit media coverage that happened in
95/96
> when the Mixmags of this world mysteriously discovered D&B thanx to Bukem.
> As usual they quickly moved on when they got bored and thought
speed-garage
> (old hardcore) was the dogs bollox. So on and so on.....
>
> If the hardcore support remain exactly that D&B will always be strong. I
> have a feeling that London might be the area getting the worst of the
> backlash. Birmingham is getting a revitalisation, remember Quest nights at
> the Q with Ratty headlining. Glory days.
>
> fabio.
> Chetan Lad <che...@clad20.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7l0qps$730$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Hello my name is Chetski and I live in SE London UK and I am having a
> fright
> > concerning JUNGLE / D&B.
> >
> > Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
> > feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle
(I
> am
> > practically crying). I love jungle, I love everything about jungle but
it
> > seems its 'old hat' know when I think its reaching its best. All of the
> > artists out there right know are pure brilliance, no faults or crap.
> >
> > Please somebody tell me whats going on, has everybody lost or is it
really
> > dying out?
> >
> > Chetski
> > daew...@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
Andy Morris
got it, and assuming Meral meant Happy.exe
Try http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html to find out
how to fix it
Andy Morris
Nick
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>moment - UK garage has certainly overtaken the London clubs/stations for the
>last few years which is probably why you're concerned....previous to that
>jungle ruled the airwaves in London....
was thinking this exact thing two or so years ago when all my favourite
pirates stopped playing jungle or shut down and all you could hear was
speed garage. I did like it at first, especially the big fat basslines,
but it seems now there's nothing left to do except remix shite rnb
tunes.
But in the last two years I've heard some of the best records ever come
out, the scene has grown up and the press has stopped mobbing it. Plus
nights like Metalheadz, TruePlayaz and Movement in London, Warning in
Cambridge and countless other long-runners have proved that it has the
staying power that so many people said it wouldn't.
Nick
Nick
talking to myself or something!
Nick :-)
Nick wrote in message <$6Ul4FAB...@boultbee.demon.co.uk>...
Nick
That's all we f*****g get round my way and it does my head in.....and the
people who go to the gigs - mindless cretins who dont know one tune from
another....
Nevertheless....me and a couple of others are trying to change things....:-)
Nick
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
>In article <7l0qps$730$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Chetan Lad <chetan@
>clad20.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>Hello my name is Chetski and I live in SE London UK and I am having a
fright
>>concerning JUNGLE / D&B.
>>
>>Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
>>feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle (I
am
>>practically crying). I love jungle, I love everything about jungle but it
>>seems its 'old hat' know when I think its reaching its best. All of the
>>artists out there right know are pure brilliance, no faults or crap.
>>Please somebody tell me whats going on, has everybody lost or is it really
>>dying out?
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>all the same hedgehog ....I can't believe you getting into hard house ;-)
and bloody "smart dress" dress codes of the UK garage scene anymore,
I'm afraid, I wanted a more "old-skool warehouse rave" atmosphere,
dancing in a shit-hole in the clothes I like, and I found one. Maybe it
depends on the club. They played some electro/progressive/techy stuff
a few weeks back in the same place, and it was SHITE (yet I quite like to
listen to nu-skool breaks now and again at home, but it simply did NOT
work in my now regular club). I'm not perfect....... but at least I don't fill
my box with trance records (yet). : )
Oh, and I need to get to Movement more often, but it just sucks working
12.5 hours a day and it being on a Thursday (I'm not 18 anymore, boo
hoo).
>That's all we f*****g get round my way and it does my head in.....and the
>people who go to the gigs - mindless cretins who dont know one tune from
>another....
Hmm. Definitely not my experience so far, but I don't know the tunes yet
either.
>Nevertheless....me and a couple of others are trying to change things....:-)
>Nick
Glad to hear it!! : )
>>hedgehog
PRIAPUS
My mate who works for SRD told me that the london reps can't sell a
thing that's drum and bass at the moment, but they're ABSOLUTLEY KANING
the garage down there. worrying.......
--
Nev
Porno Jungle http://ds.dial.pipex.com/nev/
Spinadisc Records http://www.spinadisc.demon.co.uk/
Nick
London scene (I used to live there a long time ago)
Nick
PRIAPUS wrote in message <37790D25...@dial.pipex.com>...
Nick
now if they're banning trainers full stop....I hate wearing smart shoes and
that crap...
Nick
Chorus
house clubs you've gotta make an effort really, if that's what everyone
else is doing. If you want to dress as a b-boy or whatever then that's
cool there are tonnes of places to go to.. I've never been to a club
where the music was inappropriate for the dresscode (or vice versa)
Chorus
In article <s_8e3.2808$dp1....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
DAMAJA2010
see the thongs. Nah ah mean
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>I know what u mean about the dress code thing....I *won't* go to any club
>now if they're banning trainers full stop....I hate wearing smart shoes and
>that crap...
>Nick
for a lot of this cak if you ask me, I remember going to a place next to
that Oxygen bar in Leicester Square once, I got a bit more dressed up
than usual, place was supposed to be good 'cos it had a shit hot sound
system and stuff, but it was GARBAGE; no-one daring to dance properly
so they wouldn't mess up their make-up and fluffy scarves and Moschino
and shit.
Besides, I can't park my crumbling 1985 Sierra outside the Coliseum,
doesn't go with the BMW's, but it looks juuust right, under the arches
outside Club Innocence!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! : )
I say if people want to go to clubs dressed like their dads, then fine, but I
just want to chill and stuff, me, and I can't do that in office clothes.....
>ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
>>In article <8pPd3.2141$dp1....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
>><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>>all the same hedgehog ....I can't believe you getting into hard house ;-)
>>I needed a change, just can't do with the champagne bottle-swinging
>>and bloody "smart dress" dress codes of the UK garage scene anymore,
>>I'm afraid, I wanted a more "old-skool warehouse rave" atmosphere,
>>dancing in a shit-hole in the clothes I like, and I found one. Maybe it
>>depends on the club. They played some electro/progressive/techy stuff
>>a few weeks back in the same place, and it was SHITE (yet I quite like to
>>listen to nu-skool breaks now and again at home, but it simply did NOT
>>work in my now regular club). I'm not perfect....... but at least I don't
>fill
>>my box with trance records (yet). : )
>> Oh, and I need to get to Movement more often, but it just sucks working
>>12.5 hours a day and it being on a Thursday (I'm not 18 anymore, boo
>>hoo).
>>
>>>That's all we f*****g get round my way and it does my head in.....and the
>>>people who go to the gigs - mindless cretins who dont know one tune from
>>>another....
>>Hmm. Definitely not my experience so far, but I don't know the tunes yet
>>either.
>>
>>>Nevertheless....me and a couple of others are trying to change
>things....:-)
>>>Nick
>>Glad to hear it!! : )
>>
>>
>>>ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>been that way for a while now hasnt it nev?? Not that I know much about the
>London scene (I used to live there a long time ago)
>Nick
white label garage, but hardly anything else as up to date in other styles;
says it all really.
>PRIAPUS wrote in message <37790D25...@dial.pipex.com>...
>>
>>My mate who works for SRD told me that the london reps can't sell a
>>thing that's drum and bass at the moment, but they're ABSOLUTLEY KANING
>>the garage down there. worrying.......
>>Nev
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<ni...@boultbee.demon.co.ukKKK> writes
>I dunno I reckon there's a time and place for everything, and with posh
>house clubs you've gotta make an effort really, if that's what everyone
>else is doing. If you want to dress as a b-boy or whatever then that's
>cool there are tonnes of places to go to.. I've never been to a club
>where the music was inappropriate for the dresscode (or vice versa)
scene in some parts of town, I don't want to get shot in my best clothes,
I'd rather get blood on something cheap. : )
>In article <s_8e3.2808$dp1....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>I know what u mean about the dress code thing....I *won't* go to any club
>>now if they're banning trainers full stop....I hate wearing smart shoes and
>>that crap...
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
>>>In article <8pPd3.2141$dp1....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
>>><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>>>all the same hedgehog ....I can't believe you getting into hard house ;-)
>>>I needed a change, just can't do with the champagne bottle-swinging
>>>and bloody "smart dress" dress codes of the UK garage scene anymore,
>>>I'm afraid, I wanted a more "old-skool warehouse rave" atmosphere,
>>>dancing in a shit-hole in the clothes I like, and I found one. Maybe it
--
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
DAMAJA2010 <damaj...@aol.com> writes
>you don't get the ladies at the junglist raves, you gotta go to the garage to
>see the thongs. Nah ah mean
David Gamble
> Tell me if I am being silly but is jungle dying out, because I get the
> feeling that garage and house are taking over,its everywhere no jungle
> (I am practically crying).
D+b is going through a quiet patch at the moment.
> I love jungle, I love everything about jungle but it seems its 'old hat'
> now when I think its reaching its best.
Who says that because it's reaching its best it isn't going to keep on getting
better?
While there are still people who love d+b and producers still producing it,
jungle can never die.
> All of the artists out there right
> now are pure brilliance, no faults or crap. Please somebody tell me whats
> going on, has everybody lost or is it really dying out?
What people seem to forget is the limited shelf-life of house + garage.
It's true that when a market is overwhelmed by commercial interest it
can't last too long.
So here's my radical predictions for the future:
*) Have you noticed that garage is starting to pick up, and some clubs are
switching some nights from house to garage? Notice that garage has a harder
edge than house. The scene is going to gradually [over the next few years]
shift focus over to garage.
*) The thing that happened to house will happen to garage [both scenes have
the same 'structure']. Eventually the scene will shift focus to another scene.
*) And Drum'n'bass will gradually become the new norm. Hopefully d+b will last
a little bit longer, due to the way in which the scene works. [it's certainly
different to house+garage]...
*) I predict that there will be a gentle [nearly imperceptible to begin with,
but quietly increasing] rise in the number of clubs with d+b nights. The scene
will very slowly pick up, and 3/4/5years down the line, d+b will be at the
forefront, swarmed by media whores. Well, that'll be worth looking forwards
to.
So until then, drum'n'bass is "underground" in the media perception. It'll
evolve until the scene is ready.
But that's all in the future.
Peace;
David.
--
- Dj Renegade
Andy Morris
There used to be a lot more sensual stuff around, the old machine
gun/rimshot drum sound was quite sexy, I don't think you'd say the same
about dark two step
--
Andy Morris
DAMAJA2010
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
Nick
Nick
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
Nick
ragga style was big - I remember playing all the vocally ragga stuff (female
singers too) and the ladies were very much into that stuff - soon as it got
dark though they dont tend to want to know ???
Weird though - play some tunes to your missus/your mate's missus/any female
nearby etc and you might find (like I have) that they love some tracks and
hate others in a completely random way although that's women for you!!
Nick
Andy Morris wrote in message <7lclgs$gia$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Nick
stuff coz my local shop doesn't carry bugger all garage worth
mentioning...plenty of jungle tho'
Nick
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
>In article <AZ8e3.2807$dp1....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>been that way for a while now hasnt it nev?? Not that I know much about
the
>>London scene (I used to live there a long time ago)
>>Nick
>Definitely, even the small outer London HMV's stock loads of decent
>white label garage, but hardly anything else as up to date in other styles;
>says it all really.
>
>
>
>>PRIAPUS wrote in message <37790D25...@dial.pipex.com>...
>>>
>>>My mate who works for SRD told me that the london reps can't sell a
>>>thing that's drum and bass at the moment, but they're ABSOLUTLEY KANING
>>>the garage down there. worrying.......
>>>Nev
Andy Morris
female
> nearby etc and you might find (like I have) that they love some tracks and
> hate others in a completely random way although that's women for you!!
>
My Missus just about puts up with me playing Jungle almost constantly in the
Kitchen or on WinAmp, mind you she's into what's called indie nowadays and
just used to be 'rock'. I've given up trying to convert her.
ibi osho
jungle4eva
Gelibean23
dominated. I think this is because it is aggressive. But that is what draws me
to it. The raw energy in the music.
I went to Glastonbury festival and the site was full of it so it is definately
not dead or dying.
This year showed more jungle and drum and bass than ever before, even on the
traveller free party side. Something that it pretty unusual as travellers
nearly always go for hard techno.
Optical and Ed rush were kicking and the tent was packed.
A live drum and bass act also played and were recieved well by the masses.
Geli out.
coo...@ionet.net
> All that handbag/glam house bullshit of the early '90s was responsible
> for a lot of this cak if you ask me, I remember going to a place next to
> that Oxygen bar in Leicester Square once, I got a bit more dressed up
> than usual, place was supposed to be good 'cos it had a shit hot sound
> system and stuff, but it was GARBAGE; no-one daring to dance properly
> so they wouldn't mess up their make-up and fluffy scarves and Moschino
> and shit.
> Besides, I can't park my crumbling 1985 Sierra outside the Coliseum,
> doesn't go with the BMW's, but it looks juuust right, under the arches
> outside Club Innocence!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! : )
> I say if people want to go to clubs dressed like their dads, then fine, but I
> just want to chill and stuff, me, and I can't do that in office clothes.....
I don't give a fuck how I'm dressed or where I'm at....If I hear some
darkside Jungle or intelligent Drum N Bass thumping, you can be that my
heads going to be boppping and my body is going to want to start moving.
Being an American, I find it weird when going to London to have to bring
"nice" clothes on the trip just to be able to go into one of the "nicer"
clubs. I've found that if/when you do get into those places, the music
is usually shite. Some of the bigger clubs in the big cities in the
states are starting to pull that shit too.
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>I tend to 'catch up' in HMV stores every couple of months or so on garage
>stuff coz my local shop doesn't carry bugger all garage worth
>mentioning...plenty of jungle tho'
>Nick
their main display of new 12" releases, there were like 15 rows of hard
house/trance/cheese, three of UK garage, one row of d 'n' b. : (
At least their LP/CD section is decent, I guess. But I think it's the small shops who
keep this stuff going on vinyl, I think the majors are losing interest (have for some
time), I mean why should they support anything except that which sells the most? I
bet most of the people behind the counters there know next to nothing about most
of the music they sell, probably all student indie-rock kids anyway. : )
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
"nice clothes=good salary=high disposable income=more money to
spend at a club=don't mind being ripped off=more profits".
Compare two scenes:
UK Garage..... strict (smart) dress codes, champagne sells by the bottle,
people spend £100s on the stuff they wear to get in, few drugs get
taken, everyone gets pissed, BMWs outside. Age group generally 21-40
(mostly over 25).
Hard techno/acid/trance: No dress codes to speak of (well, not restricted
from a cost point of view, anyway), water/soft drinks dominate,
clientele=travellers, crusties, students, like minded others like me, the
cars outside suck (if any), age group 16-35 (mostly under 25s), spend
more time on the floor than at the bar.
Which crowd would you prefer if profits were the main motive??
I came to all this from the mid-80s punk/metal scene, where anything
goes, and the crowd dictates the scene, not the other way round. I'm not
willing to be dictated to by bouncers/club runners. I dress the way I do
*because* I club, not because a club says I must. I would rather go to a
club which doesn't play my favourite music than go to a club which does,
but makes me feel uncomfortable. It's too hot in most clubs to be over-
dressed anyway. And there's too much competition to worry about the
places which treat you like a naughty child who wants to wear jeans
instead of trousers to church on Sunday.
Nick
garage-wise....I get nearly all my jungle from my local shop and send away
for anything they dont get
Nick :-)
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL wrote in message ...
>In article <tOte3.3483$GA4.1...@nnrp3.clara.net>, Nick
><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>I tend to 'catch up' in HMV stores every couple of months or so on garage
>>stuff coz my local shop doesn't carry bugger all garage worth
>>mentioning...plenty of jungle tho'
>>Nick
>Well, I went into the big HMV in central London yesterday, and where they
have
>their main display of new 12" releases, there were like 15 rows of hard
>house/trance/cheese, three of UK garage, one row of d 'n' b. :
> At least their LP/CD section is decent, I guess. But I think it's the
RaidenNYC
states. The idea of dressing up in order to bang my head to distorted amens
and ominous noises and sinister basslines sounds ridiculous. (I think "no
sneaker" Hip Hop clubs are a little silly too- you wanna bounce to WuTAng
wearing a SUIT?).
Nick
and hip hop - Ridiculous or what ??!!
Nick
RaidenNYC wrote in message <19990701170440...@ng-bh1.aol.com>...
kode9
properly emerged yet but it is potentially exciting. More than nu skool
breaks, I think 2step garage is the most exciting post jungle phenomenon
lying somewhere between Timbaland synchopation (sorry about the
spelling) and pre-techstep jungle. However, what it gets from house,
i.e. chintz, is exactly the aspect that a darkening up of 2step garage
would purge. I'm not talking about 'intelligent garage', whatever that
would mean, but rather brining some skunkoid paranoia into the Vip
champers and cocaine mix that is garage (at least in South London
anyway). Probably an interesting direction would be DJ Hype making jump
up 2step garage talking more vocal elements from hip hop than r&b. .
.but that could end up in hip house and what a crock of shit that was.
Has anyone heard any 2step tracks which fit this bill- I've heard about
Dem 2 but haven't heard any stuff. . .dark 2step garage MP3s anyone
In article <ej8f3.4666$dp1.1...@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
--
kode9
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>Too right!!! Imagine dressing up ('nice' shirt/shoes etc) for drum and bass
>and hip hop - Ridiculous or what ??!!
>Nick
>RaidenNYC wrote in message <19990701170440.23278.00008553@ng-
>bh1.aol.com>...
>>Never been to London, but some uppity-style clubs are playing D+B here in
>the
>>states. The idea of dressing up in order to bang my head to distorted
>amens
>>and ominous noises and sinister basslines sounds ridiculous. (I think "no
>>sneaker" Hip Hop clubs are a little silly too- you wanna bounce to WuTAng
>>wearing a SUIT?).
>
>
--
Nick
2-step tunes but I dont play them that much as compared to 4/4 garage as it
just doesnt 'hype' the local crowds at all....I went to a gig where they
playing it mixed up with 4/4 and its much better this way.....2 step is good
but I'm not sure its the future - I'd rather have a nice Booker T dub or a
MAW belter (like that new Hardrive) playing to dance to myself...
Nick
kode9 wrote in message ...
>So what about this dark 2step garage thing. . .I don't think it has
>properly emerged yet but it is potentially exciting. More than nu skool
>breaks, I think 2step garage is the most exciting post jungle phenomenon
>lying somewhere between Timbaland synchopation (sorry about the
>spelling) and pre-techstep jungle. However, what it gets from house,
>i.e. chintz, is exactly the aspect that a darkening up of 2step garage
>would purge. I'm not talking about 'intelligent garage', whatever that
>would mean, but rather brining some skunkoid paranoia into the Vip
>champers and cocaine mix that is garage (at least in South London
>anyway). Probably an interesting direction would be DJ Hype making jump
>up 2step garage talking more vocal elements from hip hop than r&b. .
>.but that could end up in hip house and what a crock of shit that was.
>
>Has anyone heard any 2step tracks which fit this bill- I've heard about
>Dem 2 but haven't heard any stuff. . .dark 2step garage MP3s anyone
>
>
>
>
>In article <ej8f3.4666$dp1.1...@nnrp4.clara.net>, Nick
><jsel...@freeuk.net> writes
>>Too right!!! Imagine dressing up ('nice' shirt/shoes etc) for drum and
bass
>>and hip hop - Ridiculous or what ??!!
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>RaidenNYC wrote in message
<19990701170440...@ng-bh1.aol.com>...
>>>Never been to London, but some uppity-style clubs are playing D+B here in
>>the
>>>states. The idea of dressing up in order to bang my head to distorted
>>amens
>>>and ominous noises and sinister basslines sounds ridiculous. (I think
"no
>>>sneaker" Hip Hop clubs are a little silly too- you wanna bounce to WuTAng
>>>wearing a SUIT?).
>>
>>
>
>--
>kode9
DAMAJA2010
PEASH
frum
D.Amaja
Chetan Lad
Americans are well behind when it comes to dance music, you've only picked
up on it just as its dying in the UK!
Sorry of the insult.
But over here jungle is being superseded by garage and UK house, jungle was
the building blocks of this music and you can ID the jungle bits from this
type of music anywhere.
I love jungle but its getting harder to find more artists and tunes, I
already got most tunes from the start to now. But in America your just
getting what I bought 5 years ago. If you can find any up to date
tunes/artists which are well known where you live tell me and I will tell
you how old it is over here and how past it it really is!
Chetan Lad
debate happening dont you think although some of you need to stay of da
funny stuff for a while cos it was showing bigtime!!!
Right I only want replays by people who know what their talking about and
stop talking garage on a jungle NG. As i live in SE London would anyone from
around London give their opinon, as this what i originaly requested.
Chetski
DAMAJA2010
will jungle. Garage is becoming bigger because it has a more comercial sound. I
prefer to keep Jungle underground anyway.
The only thing that really pisses me off with Jungle these days is that, it has
really lost its roots. The whole ragga feel has gone, and in my opinion it
needs to be brough back.
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
Nick
i think during the dark era (hmmm sounds familiar eh?) and then ragga came
along.....
I think we could do with some more ragga for sure - those new Sappo tunes on
Priapus' site really made me think 'Yes!!' - we need it - I'd also like to
see the ragga style souly stuff with *good* vocals not cheesy (yes it can be
done) and done sparingly - not vocals everywhere (roni size has succeeded
and failed on the vocal side of things)
Nick
DAMAJA2010 wrote in message
<19990705141724...@ng-ck1.aol.com>...
Nick
my favourite dance music in order of preference and priority has been the
same for the last few years -
1) Jungle / Drum and bass
2) Garage / house (but not much of it - only certain tunes - im very picky
on this stuff)
3) Detroit techno (mainly the old stuff - know your past to know the future
etc)
Nick
DAMAJA2010 wrote in message
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ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
ad20.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Ahhh Yes it is dying, i know this is gonna sound a bit out of order but you
>Americans are well behind when it comes to dance music, you've only picked
>up on it just as its dying in the UK!
>Sorry of the insult.
>But over here jungle is being superseded by garage and UK house, jungle was
>the building blocks of this music and you can ID the jungle bits from this
>type of music anywhere.
music coffin for several years now, and it is certainly not in any danger
of being buried, well I don't think so anyway. I don't think jungle will ever
die, but I don't think it will get any bigger, either.
kode9
like you can't talk about the wider context of music culture- who gives
a fuck if its a Jungle NG. . .
In article <7ltp6l$5d9$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Chetan Lad <chetan@clad20
.freeserve.co.uk> writes
--
kode9
Nick
not important etc ?? Sounds like you're on some funny stuff mate (or not so
funny maybe....)
I didnt bring up the garage subject but its ok responding to the connection
with jungle in my view coz there is a connection there - look how many
people have gone from jungle to garage (especially in London...)
Some of us outside London know what we are talking about on jungle....I
think I do for one -Oktal does and he's nowhere near London (and neither am
I at this present time) There's a fair few jungle dj's/producers outside
London these days too....in fact there's probably more outside London than
in right now...
Chill out
Nick
Chetan Lad wrote in message <7ltp6l$5d9$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
ROBERT ANTONI HEIL
<st...@kode.demon.co.uk> writes
>Part of the reason jungle is fucked up is that narrow minded tossers
>like you can't talk about the wider context of music culture- who gives
>a fuck if its a Jungle NG. . .
jungle scene anyway, so it's semi-relevant. Where does he think the
idea for those sub-basslines came from......nu-NRG???
>In article <7ltp6l$5d9$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Chetan Lad <chetan@clad20
>.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>I would like to thank all o you who responded to the inital posting, i great
>>debate happening dont you think although some of you need to stay of da
>>funny stuff for a while cos it was showing bigtime!!!
>>
>>Right I only want replays by people who know what their talking about and
>>stop talking garage on a jungle NG. As i live in SE London would anyone from
>>around London give their opinon, as this what i originaly requested.
>>Chetski
Tiamat
> Ahhh Yes it is dying, i know this is gonna sound a bit out of order but you
> Americans are well behind when it comes to dance music, you've only picked
> up on it just as its dying in the UK!
You are absolutely clueless.
My crew is in contact with many of your major "UK" artists on a regular basis.
I know exactly what is being played in the "UK" and it is the same music
that is played in the US.
In South Florida anyways.
I don't know where you are coming from making such broad generalizations
> Sorry of the insult.
None taken seeing you have no clue and or basis to support
your statement.
> But over here jungle is being superseded by garage and UK house, jungle was
> the building blocks of this music and you can ID the jungle bits from this
> type of music anywhere.
Over there? The same is happening here as well to an extent. Garage has been
in the
states for well over a year.
Based on what you're saying you would think we had never heard of it.
Visit http://www.kultbox.com/ for further clues.
> I love jungle but its getting harder to find more artists and tunes, I
Not in the states. Maybe you should consider imports or look
harder.
> already got most tunes from the start to now. But in America your just
> getting what I bought 5 years ago. If you can find any up to date
That's funny. In 1992-93 I was buying jungle records that had
1992-1993 copyright notices.
Perhaps that was my time machine.
"Yeah I just picked up that new compilation Jungle Warfare!"
> tunes/artists which are well known where you live tell me and I will tell
> you how old it is over here and how past it it really is!
It's not even worth it.
You've all ready given up.
Go flock to whatever you feel is "cool" while the true junglists continue to
listen to the
music that they truly love.
--
Tiamat of The Soul Providers
Jungle - Hip Hop - Gabber - etc...
www.soulpro.com
Tiamat
> Don't be so neggative. I don't think dance music will ever die, and neither
> will jungle. Garage is becoming bigger because it has a more comercial sound. I
> prefer to keep Jungle underground anyway.
Not here in the states.
We have automobile commericals targetting jungle. I have seen tampax,
television shows, you name it with jungle playing in the background.
Is that is not a strong indication of commercialism I don't know what is.
YET... Artists are still not featured on the radio. It's a shame...
> The only thing that really pisses me off with Jungle these days is that, it has
> really lost its roots. The whole ragga feel has gone, and in my opinion it
> needs to be brough back.
If you want "Jungle" then I would listen to some of the real audio
streams on the soul pro site at the link below.
Especially the DJ LP Baselee mix.
Many of the songs featured on several of LPs upcoming albums have a
ragga sound that has been void from most of the current jungle.
We need to bring it back to the roots. It is what it needs and it would
be good for the scene.
jon
only nearest scene is bournemouth where dnb nights are getting few and far
between, fridays you can find somewhere, but hey, maybe i want to do
something on a saturday, tough.
also a friend of mine who produces has slowed down/ quit on the dnb, and is
doing house. reason being that it will sell cos more people will dance to
it.
i guess there will always be a scene, and i'm sure it's strong enough to
stay 'up there' with the rest, but us brits are still going to be making
the better stuff. i mean, what did todd terry think he was doing when he
released resolutions? nice try, better than i could do, but cut the vocals
just a little bit.
jon
DAMAJA2010
When I say I don't think Jungle will be comercial I mean that I don't think you
will be able to go to town and have a wide choice of clubs that play jungle.
Where as
most of the main clubs in the towns have some kind of Sasha or Oakenfold stuff
spinning.
And anyway, U.S jungle is lame.
I have heard what they have to offer and I will stick to my U.K stuff thanks.
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
Nick
tended to put a lot of people off playing the track (made a lot more famous
by Lock Stock...) !!!!
Nick
Tiamat wrote in message <378425D3...@gate.net>...
Nick
americans invented it!!! Years ago!! Dont get me wrong - I like garage
especially the sort favoured by the likes of MAW. UK garage copied US garage
and 'toughened' it up with basslines, reggae bits etc taking its lead from
jungle (a lot of UK garage producers/dj's are ex-jungle from a few years
ago) and some of it is very good....not sure about 2-step tho' its a bit too
'relaxed' for heavy duty dancefloor mayhem
Nick
Tiamat wrote in message <378424CA...@gate.net>...
Tiamat
> hehehe!!! I have to laugh - "we've had garage for a year now" - You
>
You misquoted my message. I said we have had it over a year. I was
giving a conservative figure so I would not start any debates concerning
the origin.
It was in response to someone rambling about how us Americans
are approximately five years behind when it came to our music;
namely jungle. (A load of bullocks as you might say)
The original poster went on to say that while we are listening to old jungle
tunes, the UK is switching to progressive house.
>
> americans invented it!!! Years ago!! Dont get me wrong - I like garage
> especially the sort favoured by the likes of MAW. UK garage copied US garage
> and 'toughened' it up with basslines, reggae bits etc taking its lead from
> jungle (a lot of UK garage producers/dj's are ex-jungle from a few years
> ago) and some of it is very good....not sure about 2-step tho' its a bit too
> 'relaxed' for heavy duty dancefloor mayhem
You need to listen to the right 2 step. Mayhem does not even begin
to explain it.
Tiamat
> And anyway, U.S jungle is lame.
> I have heard what they have to offer and I will stick to my U.K stuff thanks.
Lame? There is a wide assortment. You have heard what "they" have to offer?
Who is they? Which groups? I can think of many UK jungle groups that are horrible
as well.
Both countries have their share of solid artists.
You are ignorant.
Tiamat
> also a friend of mine who produces has slowed down/ quit on the dnb, and is
> doing house. reason being that it will sell cos more people will dance to
> it.
It's a good thing we have producers out there who will focus on jungle because
they truly enjoy it rather than solely creating music based on the number of
units it will potentially sell...
Tell him to buy a guitar and jump from the scene.
Pmc666
or whos doing it right. UK vs. US what?? we're starting to come off like gansta
rap. east coast west coast. all i know is that myself and many other people on
this ng are here for the love of drum and bass. and not to argue over what
country is better or whos behind in the music. youve opened up your ears for
the music but now open up your mind to it. shii...
::Fulcrum::
JuNgLe JcL
>to explain it.
huh? 2 step is just that-----1,2,1,2,1,2 where's the mayhem in that? it's no
different then 4 on the floor. the same beats over and over and over and over.
I think you need to clarify your comments a little better. there may be some
2 step based tracks that are mayhem but the mayhem doesn't come from the 2
step--mayhem comes from the b-lines, synths, filters, etc. And stop trying
make like the US stuff can compete with the UK. It can't----for the time
being. But your sound is young and just developing...give it time. Here in
Toronto a lot of US tests end up on the streetcar tracks.
Toronto junglists all love our jungle, particularily the homegrown stuff,
but you don't hear us trying to big ourselves up. We prefer to let others judge
for themselves rather than force opinions down their throats. To those who say
our stuff is trite jump up---(attn:breakbeat science), that's fine, but at
least it makes people dance, and isn't that what jungle is really all about in
the first place?
Flipmodip
really shop there much anymore(except for afro-funk)....BTW were can I get some
Canadian Jump-up?(I'm in NYC) me and my boys have been lamenting the fact that
you can't seem to get good jump-up anywhere anymore.....it's a total shame
cause this is definitely not a choice of the crowd..whenever you hear jungle at
a small party or house party itz alway jump-up or ragga and the crowd alwayz
freaks over it.....I'd like to see that shit evolve some more too...get ridda
the 2-step, start using funk n' disco samples instead of just straight
hiphop.......
Peace,
Jon S. 212/516/809-
Nick
goes down that well outside London - you wouldnt know what I mean here - I'm
not having a go...
Oh btw - bullocks is male cows or something I think - you mean bollocks!!!!
hehehe!
I notice you have jungle (yes) hip hop (yes) gabber (you are joking!!!!)
Soul provider - gabber - thats a joke right ???
Nick :-)
Tiamat wrote in message <3785686C...@gate.net>...
>Nick wrote:
>
>> hehehe!!! I have to laugh - "we've had garage for a year now" - You
>>
>
>You misquoted my message. I said we have had it over a year. I was
>giving a conservative figure so I would not start any debates concerning
>the origin.
>
>It was in response to someone rambling about how us Americans
>are approximately five years behind when it came to our music;
>namely jungle. (A load of bullocks as you might say)
>
>The original poster went on to say that while we are listening to old
jungle
>tunes, the UK is switching to progressive house.
>
>>
>> americans invented it!!! Years ago!! Dont get me wrong - I like garage
>> especially the sort favoured by the likes of MAW. UK garage copied US
garage
>> and 'toughened' it up with basslines, reggae bits etc taking its lead
from
>> jungle (a lot of UK garage producers/dj's are ex-jungle from a few years
>> ago) and some of it is very good....not sure about 2-step tho' its a bit
too
>> 'relaxed' for heavy duty dancefloor mayhem
>
>You need to listen to the right 2 step. Mayhem does not even begin
>to explain it.
>
Nick
loads of our top DJ's were over there years ago too so you must have a good
scene there by now I should think...
Nick
JuNgLe JcL wrote in message
<19990709041432...@ng-fo1.aol.com>...
>>You need to listen to the right 2 step. Mayhem does not even begin
>>to explain it.
>
Nick
going on about 2-step drum and bass ??
Nick
Tiamat wrote in message <3785686C...@gate.net>...
>Nick wrote:
>
>> hehehe!!! I have to laugh - "we've had garage for a year now" - You
>>
>
>You misquoted my message. I said we have had it over a year. I was
>giving a conservative figure so I would not start any debates concerning
>the origin.
>
>It was in response to someone rambling about how us Americans
>are approximately five years behind when it came to our music;
>namely jungle. (A load of bullocks as you might say)
>
>The original poster went on to say that while we are listening to old
jungle
>tunes, the UK is switching to progressive house.
>
>>
>> americans invented it!!! Years ago!! Dont get me wrong - I like garage
>> especially the sort favoured by the likes of MAW. UK garage copied US
garage
>> and 'toughened' it up with basslines, reggae bits etc taking its lead
from
>> jungle (a lot of UK garage producers/dj's are ex-jungle from a few years
>> ago) and some of it is very good....not sure about 2-step tho' its a bit
too
>> 'relaxed' for heavy duty dancefloor mayhem
>
>You need to listen to the right 2 step. Mayhem does not even begin
>to explain it.
>
DAMAJA2010
day I will continue to say what I feel.
And I am not on no East Coast West Coast stuff. Just calling it like I see it.
If I am ignorant, then let it be.
I am just saying that I have not heard a good US Jungle tune yet.
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
JuNgLe JcL
sense. But check out the obvious stuff, anything on Vinyl Syndicate- most
recently " Another Sound" by Tommy Illfingas. Also look for anything by freaky
flow, he's releases stuff on Placebo records as well as N.A.F.T.A. Vinyl
Syndicate just recently started breaking down into sub-labels, look out for
Crunk records, Crimsyn and I forget the others. Track to watch out for that is
floating around on plate, but I think only in TO so far is "Walk with your
friends"----extreme jungle business, everyone's talking about how ragga is
coming back--this tune is what the new style will be about.
I don't expect BBS to be supportive after reading the fake news release on
their website about the UK and US uniting to destroy the Vinyl Syndicate
takeover. Hmm.....from what I've seen on this newsgroup there is much UK/US
agreement on anything, let alone teaming up to eliminate the Toronto jump-up
threat. Maybe I'd start giving US tracks a fair listen if they'd all drop that
better than you attitude. Peace john, happy track hunting.
JuNgLe JcL
>To be fair - I remember mags going on about the Toronto scene years ago and
>loads of our top DJ's were over there years ago too so you must have a good
>scene there by now I should think...
Well, not to brag but yeah we have a pretty amazing scene. True, we've had UK
talent coming here to play for quite some time. From what I understand alot of
them like it cause it's like playing a UK party from 5 years ago (not in terms
of music but in terms of the type of party). We don't have anything like the
criminal justice bill so we still have huge parties on a weekly basis and
aren't completely confined to only clubs just yet. I think this is what people
mean when they say the scene here or in the US is 5 years behind UK.....but
we're catching up, authorities are starting to come down harder. So you do
hear about Toronto a bit their.....what about the US? what kind of rep do they
have compared to us?
Tiamat
> threat. Maybe I'd start giving US tracks a fair listen if they'd all drop that
> better than you attitude. Peace john, happy track hunting.
Your statement really surprises me. I have seen countless messages from
this newsgroup that say that US junglists are bad and the talent is originating
from the UK.
I don't see anyone from the US saying that they are better. You are
VERY mixed up.
If anything it is the US junglists who are constantly trying to prove themselves
worthy of UK listening.
Tiamat
Understood.
Tiamat
> Tiamat what do you mean by 2-step ??? 2-step to me is garage but are you
> going on about 2-step drum and bass ??
>
Yes Nick, 2-step drum 'n bass...
--
Tiamat
> I've listened to loads of 2-step Tiamat and while I like it I dont think it
> goes down that well outside London - you wouldnt know what I mean here - I'm
> not having a go...
I am lost...
> Oh btw - bullocks is male cows or something I think - you mean bollocks!!!!
> hehehe!
hehehe! That was my crappy attempt at humor...
> I notice you have jungle (yes) hip hop (yes) gabber (you are joking!!!!)
> Soul provider - gabber - thats a joke right ???
I am lost again. What are you getting at?
The crew that I am in makes all kinds of music. I personally make tech-step,
gabber (breakcore to be exact) and some other drum 'n bass style varients.
I take it you dislike gabber? I know the term is old now.
I asked Panacea if he made gabber a year ago and he laughed it off
saying it is called something "different" now. Whatever the fuck that means.
The various styles in my auto-sig represent the various music styles that make
up Soul Pro.
LP - just about everything
Fury - very dark drum 'n bass (will not find anything harder)
Tiamat - Experimental, Breakcore, two-step
Snow White - Trip Hop
Cesar - Tribal
Drumm - simply amazing. One of our new artists. Watch for his releases.
etc.
Nick
on about garage - confusion over!! Of course 2-step drum and bass is good !
Its my favourite sort, I'm pretty fed up with 'mash-up' amen breaks
Nick
Tiamat wrote in message <378739FF...@gate.net>...
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Tiamat what do you mean by 2-step ??? 2-step to me is garage but are you
>> going on about 2-step drum and bass ??
>>
>
>Yes Nick, 2-step drum 'n bass...
>
Nick
bang bang sort of stuff - like techno but a lot lot worse
Nick
Tiamat wrote in message <37873BA5...@gate.net>...
Gelibean23
type of dance music.
In fact i'm unsure if any other type of dance music keeps in check with its
roots.
I am glad that jungle and drum n bass has moved on from that ragga thing. After
all its main roots lie as a hybrid of British breakbeat and hip hop/ragga.
Breakbeat was the way I got into drum n bass
geli out
Gelibean23
Gelibean23
You only have to look at the line up in Glastonburys dance tent to see that
jungle is widely available to the public
I would like jungle to go back underground
but the fact is people have a need to earn hard cash, like me <grin>
geli out
Gelibean23
Gelibean23
Nick
at the moment
Nick
Gelibean23 wrote in message
<19990713072448...@ngol03.aol.com>...
Nick
here - the ragga style has been dead for years.....although I'm hoping it
makes a comeback and I'm not the only one
Nick
Gelibean23 wrote in message
<19990713072447...@ngol03.aol.com>...
Flipmodip
Peace,
Jon S. 212/516/809-
DAMAJA2010
right now.
I have good access to the vinyl I want, there are always Jungle DJ'z playing
near by.
I can't fault it really....
Except one thing... I wouldn't mind some MC's traveling around too. Dynamite
was with Die last weekend, but I want to see some kind of Bassman figure
ripping shit.
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA
ac
it's a whold new genre that is not even named yet it is some new shit it's
drum and bass its hiphop on crack and has UK influences... It's not meant to
be UK copycat.... You alll came up with it props.... Us is just different
there are different vibes over here and we grew up in different scenes so
everyone is coming from somwhere else... I dunno what I'm talking about but
anyways fuck it who cares......
DAMAJA2010 <damaj...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990713175644...@ng-ck1.aol.com...
DAMAJA2010
>anyways fuck it who cares......
>
I care....you can't disagree with me then talk a paragraph of shit...that just
pickles my brain....
Was it written in code or something?
PEASH
frum
DAMAJA