Martin Interview
TPB
very interesting.
Creative Loafing
MUSIC
Living With The Past
By Randy Matin
Jethro Tull
Long before their 30s most rock stars are has beens. But, in increasing
numbers, those who've enjoyed even a minor celebrity are back on the road.
And along with age comes injury.
"It's a dreadful thing and it makes you appreciate what you have," says
longtime Jethro Tull guitarist Martin Barre by telephone from home in Devon,
deep in the English countryside.
Well into his 50s, Barre's injuries have mostly come from sports: a rotator
cuff injury from tennis and, just as Tull heads stateside, a torn knee
ligament from windsurfing.
"There is a distinct difference between me and the other four (members of
Jethro Tull)," says Barre who now heads out for a run wherever the band may
tour rather then plopping down in front of the TV in hotel rooms like his
bandmates. "Running gives me an empathy with the towns we visit. Austin,
Texas, for example is a fantastic area to run in. And, I'm sorry to say,
nobody else saw the lake," says Barre whose mini-marathons have taken him,
"like an express tourist to some very weird places" in Russia, Turkey, and
Jerusalem.
Averaging five miles per day while on tour, Barre's injuries are actually
fewer then those afflicting fellow old-timers. Tull's flying frontman Ian
Anderson has had to tone down his stage act after suffering blood clots on
the knees that landed him in a wheelchair on the band's last tour of South
America. Fit at 50-something, Barre, who played dueling flutes with Anderson
for the first year in Jethro Tull, realizes that his fortunes come from
another man's compositions. Through 30 years and some 27 albums, Barre's
guitar and Anderson's flute have come to define Jethro Tull's sound. Yet
even his most well known lick, the six notes that intro "Aqualung" as well
as the bulk of the band's material from 1969's This Was through 1995's
"Roots And Branches" are all Anderson's.
"Ian's writing is so intense that I don't think he sees any space for other
people. So he's never really turned to me and said, 'Why don't you write a
track for the next Tull album?'" says Barre.
While Anderson writes the band's material, Barre composes a new instrumental
for Tull to play each time the band goes on tour, most of which have never
appeared on record. For the current tour Barre says, "I'm going to do a
surprise arrangement from 'Too Old For Rock & Roll.' An acoustic version
where I change all the chords and make it sort of reggae."
Over the last three years the tour instrumentals have come from Barre's solo
albums: a limited edition of classic rock covers titled A Summer Band
released only as a premium to subscribers of A New Day magazine in the UK;
the more serious projects of A Trick Of Memory, currently out of print in
the US; and 1995's The Meeting (Imago) recorded at his home studio, the
Presshouse with Doane Perry and Gerry Conway from Jethro Tull. The studio,
an idyllic waterfront setting on a once self-sufficient, 17th century farm
takes its name from the machinery (still in place) used to press apples,
grown on site, into cider.
"The studio (depicted in all its splendor on Barre's website:
www.rev.net/~abowyer) started as a hobby. But now that we've upgraded it,
the farcical situation is that my own albums don't generate enough income to
warrant spending the money to do them in my own studio," says Barre. Instead
the Presshouse has become a commercial facility; catered by his wife Julie
Barre, while Barre himself uses a smaller room.
And even with three solo albums under his belt, Barre finds he's largely
starting over as a solo artist.
"Jethro Tull is the trigger. The individuals don't have the same name value
and you'd be shocked how few people turn up at the shows," say Barre,
recently returned from a solo tour of German clubs. "It's not just me. (The
Who's) Roger Daltrey did a solo tour and found the same thing. So did Ian
when he did his solo Divinities tour. He was selling out but he was playing
to a lot less people then Tull would play to."
Describing his solo efforts as "strong music -- not some sort of a throwaway
gesture," Barre said he's determined to keep up the pace with a third solo
album in hopes of slowly building an audience like Phil Collins did when he
broke away from Genesis.
Meanwhile Jethro Tull and Ian Anderson will release new albums later this
year or early in '99. And although plans haven't been finalized, one idea
being tabled is a big US tour with artists like Stevie Winwood or Mark
Knopfler as special guests and Tull as the backing band.
And, not to end on a sour note, Barre says he'd just like to be consulted as
record companies go about reissuing selections from the Jethro Tull catalog
as audiophile label Mobile Fidelity has with 24-karat gold editions of
Living In the Past and A Passion Play and DCC Compact Classic has with
Aqualung, and Capitol/EMI has with Thick As A Brick.
"It's a raw deal for me because I play on 99 percent of that material," says
Barre. "It's just a matter of politeness."
Jckalynn
Very interesting...
I didn't realize that Martin didn't get anything out of the mo fi releases.
Jackalynn
'Coal-black cats in policemen's hats
nosing where the mice have been.'
TPB
I do not think that Martin said that he did not get any money for sales of
these releases. I think that his point was that he would like to be
consulted with regard to which releases were going to be remastered, which
is understandable, especially since as Martin said "I play on 99 percent of
that material," "It's just a matter of politeness." Let me know if you
think my interpretation is correct upon further review.
See you later.
Tim Bennett
Jckalynn wrote in message <19990209153032...@ng146.aol.com>...
Jckalynn
>think my interpretation is correct upon further review.>
Hi Tim,
After a 2nd reading, yes...I think you've interpreted it right. It does sound
like he wants to be included in the choices...and he should be.
Kram Namloc
>being tabled is a big US tour with artists like Stevie Winwood or Mark
>Knopfler as special guests and Tull as the backing band.
Does this mean that Tull would actually play WITH these guys?!How
degrading. PLEASE guys do not open for or "back" either person!!! THEY
should open for Tull. Really, Tull are better than that! And I would rue
the day when Winwood or Knopfler joined Tull. WHY WHY WHY???
Say it's not so,
Mark
seal driver
Yes! Mo-Fi UW!!!!!!
Melvin Lyttaker III
As much as I always enjoy hearing directly from members of Tull (and thanks
to TPB for posting the feature on Martin), I must say that I am picking up
on a less-than-enthusiastic attitude from Martin toward his relationship
with Tull during the past few years. Several of Martin's comments in recent
times seems to suggest that he feels a bit constricted in his role as
guitarist with Tull, and that his heart is with his solo projects. There is
no doubt that Martin is an artist in his own right, and I have appreciated
the quality of his solo works. In previous interviews, I picked up on a bit
of resentment from Martin that his contributions were not featured more
prominently on Tull recordings and as part of Tull's set list. From my
perspective, a quick glance at Martin's web site
(http://www.rev.net/~abowyer), shows that his priorities are geared toward a
solo career, and that his position with Tull is now a relationship of
economic necessity--not a relationship of artistic choice.
I can't comment on Martin's expressed dissatisfaction regarding the
recently-remastered Tull catalog (it wasn't clear if he was griping about
economic or artistic concerns), but I think it is clear from his comments
that he feels he deserves more recognition within the organization owing to
his longevity ("...I play on 99% of the material....") At a 1996 concert I
attended in Illinois, after Martin performed his solo piece from "The
Meeting," Ian re-entered the stage and, forgetting the title of the song
(Outer Circle), said, "I didn't hear what you played, but it sounded good
when I came out." Martin was visibly offended.
Martin is nearly as important to the Tull identity as is Ian, and if he
should become so alienated that he chose to leave the band, I don't think
any of us could shrug it off as routinely as we did the departure of Dave
Pegg (and I had a hard time accepting Peggy's departure). The current Tull
line-up is probably the most musically capable since the late-'70s era. I
hope the "powers-that-be" recognizes Martin's unique position as the
keystone of that line-up. He has earned the right to have more say over the
creative process. At the same time, I hope Martin realizes that his
creative contributions within the context of Tull are genuinely appreciated
by Tull fans, even if he is performing within the dominant creative
environment of another individual.
Just my personal observations and sentiments...
Mel
Claire the Bear
>>Just my personal observations and sentiments...<<
Which were very nicely put; I enjoyed reading them.
>>At the same time, I hope Martin realizes that his creative
contributions within the context of Tull are genuinely
appreciated by Tull fans, even if he is performing within
the dominant creative environment of another individual.<<
Hear, hear! Tull certainly would NOT be the same without him.
I still miss Peggy A LOT, btw...with no offense to Jonathan, whom I also
like very much.
-- CtB
seal driver
> Martin is nearly as important to the Tull identity as is Ian, and if he
> should become so alienated that he chose to leave the band, I don't think
> any of us could shrug it off as routinely as we did the departure of Dave
> Pegg (and I had a hard time accepting Peggy's departure).
Mr. Barre and his magic guitar are part of the defining sound of Tull. It would
be a different group without him. Even IA has said that Tull would end if MB
left.
Put simply: No Martin, No Tull.
All good things must come to an end. If there is still life in IA and MB on the
day Tull ends, how do they continue? IA will have solo projects, but without
the Tull name behind him, he will find narrower distribution of his recordings,
and have less audience pull. MB will have solo projects and I still won't be
able to get the CDs no matter how hard I try. Face it. The Aqualung screamers
who attend Tull concerts might not recognize the name "Ian Anderson" or "Martin
Barre" alone on a marquee.
Melvin, I don't see Tull as an economic necessity for MB as you said in your
posting. He could make a fine living off of his own projects and playing as a
studio musician. Tull may be more of an artistic necessity for him since it
gives him a vehicle though which he can reach a wider audience. If it bothers
him that he doesn't get to play more of his own compositions, then he is making
a trade off -- one that is fortunate for us.
Will MB ever get to the US on a solo tour? I'd move mountains to attend if I
knew he had a gig within 500 miles of where I live.
Messers Anderson and Barre, please find a way during the next Tull tour to
piggy back a series of Martin Barre solo gigs. Here are two ideas:
1. It would be great if you could have a Tull concert one night and an Ian
Anderson/Martin Barre solo concert the next (one of you opens for the other).
This would maximize your draw as a number of people who attended the Tull
concert the night before would attend the solo concert the next night also.
2. If the double solo concert doesn't appeal, then perhaps in larger cities
(which makes San Francisco mandatory, if you catch my drift), Tull can play a
30,000 seat hall one night and Mr. Barre can play a 3,000 seat hall or a 30
seat club the next.
Please consider these possibilities.
News.Kabelfoon
appreciation of what Martin Barre has done for Tull over the years. But I
think, that most of us Tull-fans will not forget that. In fact, should
Martin decide to leave, Ian will not get away with calling the band Jethro
Tull any longer. It would cost him dire, at least in Europe. What bothers me
for years is, that all the revenues of records and gigs flow back to Ian.
Martin is just on the payrole, like the other band members. That must have
been hurting his feelings for a very long time, I think. Secondly, what I
don't like about Ian Anderson at all is, the way he has been monopolizing
the credits of the song writing. TAAB and APP contains instrumental parts
that were worked out when Ian wasn't even in the building! He was when they
were recorded though. Another example: take a look at RTB and how it was
born, so to say. Every band member contributed in the creative process,
working out a rudimentary idea of Mr. Anderson for their own instruments, so
it eventually could be snapped togetherand became a new song. I want to
point out, that Martin but Andy as well have contributed substantially,
without being credited. I would not have accepted that, if I was in the
band, but than again I'm obviously not, so who cares.
I think that Mr. Anderson is not at all a pleasant person to work with,
keeping everything under HIS control. He will not give much room for other
stars to shine beside him. Martin is perfectly aware of that, and it hurts
him. You probably will get along with him fine if you meet up to his
standards and things work out the way he wants them to. There have been at
least 5 band members in the past who were not prepared to do so and left.
Mark my words: Andy Giddings will be the first one to leave. The guy is just
too good to be treated as a puppett on a string.....
Melvin Lyttaker III heeft geschreven in bericht
<79seik$nb4$1...@forge.sbt.net>...
>Martin is nearly as important to the Tull identity as is Ian, and if he
>should become so alienated that he chose to leave the band, I don't think
>any of us could shrug it off as routinely as we did the departure of Dave
>Pegg (and I had a hard time accepting Peggy's departure). The current Tull
>line-up is probably the most musically capable since the late-'70s era. I
>hope the "powers-that-be" recognizes Martin's unique position as the
>keystone of that line-up. He has earned the right to have more say over
the
>creative process. At the same time, I hope Martin realizes that his
>creative contributions within the context of Tull are genuinely appreciated
>by Tull fans, even if he is performing within the dominant creative
>environment of another individual.
>
>Just my personal observations and sentiments...
>
>Mel
>
>
>
Alex Brands
> Mark my words: Andy Giddings will be the first one to leave. The guy is just
> too good to be treated as a puppett on a string.....
Based on numerous comments by Ian, it seems to me that Ian thinks very
highly of Andy and is very appreciative of his efforts. He's said that
Andy always has ideas to offer. Certainly Ian has given Andy a lot of
credit for his contributions to "Divinities". In concert he always
describes it as an album "Andy and I did". Who knows what it is like
behind the scenes though........
Alex
Ray Lomas
...a whole bunch of highly critical observations attributed to band members
with no supporting first person quotes, etc., etc. How can we sit back and
pretend to know what these guys are thinking without hearing it first hand
from them?
I can't understand how Martin has survived almost 30 years now with Tull,
working under such deplorable conditions. I also can't understand how Ian
has kept Tull going 30 years now as a slavedriver, egomaniac, and all-around
bad guy. Nor can I understand how the others in the band can afford to feed
their families on such meager wages. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
Hell man, nobody's holding a gun to these guys. I often think that we, the
fans, are the ones who read too much into things. Martin was simply talking
about a record company and now it's turned into a Jack the Ripper
discussion.
No offense intended News....just think we're reading a bit too much into all
of this. Things seem pretty harmonious to me, and even if it isn't, let's
hear it from the horses mouth instead of conjuring up problems that aren't
real.
Off the soap box,
Ray
P.S. Have a nice day.
Steve Smith
Nicely written. I agree, there is no Jethro Tull without Martin Barre!
The Ian Anderson Band, of course. But it wouldn't be Jethro Tull.
Steve
Kram Namloc
>
> "It feels REALLY WEIRD to be up here without Martin Barre!"..... was Ian's
> opening comment at the three Divinities shows I attended. I thought it very
> sincere and appreciative. Just my .02. Mary.
Perhaps it would be a wee bit on the twilight zone side to be up there
with Mark Knopfler or Stevey Winwood?! Didn't that part of the article
disturb anyone else?!
Distoibed in da head,
Kram
Kram Namloc
>
> >And although plans haven't been finalized, one idea
> >being tabled is a big US tour with artists like Stevie Winwood or Mark
> >Knopfler as special guests and Tull as the backing band.
>
> degrading. PLEASE guys do not open for or "back" either person!!! THEY
> should open for Tull. Really, Tull are better than that! And I would rue
> the day when Winwood or Knopfler joined Tull. WHY WHY WHY???
>
> Say it's not so,
> Mark
HELLLLLOOOO?????? I guess I'm the only one who finds this grossly
disturbing. If it means Tull would add these guys to the band ala 'Eddie
Jobson special guest' style then, I feel ill. If it means that these
guys would be the headliner and Tull would open, then I feel sick. These
golden years shouldn't tarnish the many great years past
and the respect earned by Jethro Tull. Please don't do a Mandoki with
these guys!
This is surely some ugly, wholey unfounded, rumour, right?!
Geez, now I've gotten me knickers in a bunch.
Come on people; let's get out those soapboxes and show a little
righteous indignation!
Still PO'ed- after all these years!
Kram
Steve Smith
>
> Kram Namloc wrote:
> >
> > >And although plans haven't been finalized, one idea
> > >being tabled is a big US tour with artists like Stevie Winwood or Mark
> > >Knopfler as special guests and Tull as the backing band.
> >
> > degrading. PLEASE guys do not open for or "back" either person!!! THEY
> > should open for Tull. Really, Tull are better than that! And I would rue
> > the day when Winwood or Knopfler joined Tull. WHY WHY WHY???
> >
> > Say it's not so,
> > Mark
>
> HELLLLLOOOO?????? I guess I'm the only one who finds this grossly
> disturbing. If it means Tull would add these guys to the band ala 'Eddie
> Jobson special guest' style then, I feel ill. If it means that these
> guys would be the headliner and Tull would open, then I feel sick. These
> golden years shouldn't tarnish the many great years past
> and the respect earned by Jethro Tull. Please don't do a Mandoki with
> these guys!
>
> This is surely some ugly, wholey unfounded, rumour, right?!
>
> Geez, now I've gotten me knickers in a bunch.
>
> Come on people; let's get out those soapboxes and show a little
> righteous indignation!
>
> Still PO'ed- after all these years!
> Kram
Kramberry sauce - (JL in Strawberry Fields).
Well, what can one do? After all, Frankie Yankovic is dead so he can't
be asked to join. And, Myron Floren is ensconsed in Escondido, CA most
of the time. An older, Traffic-style Winwood with Tull, live as a one
shot, would be interesting, and I think they could pull off a lot more
than a duet of John Barleycorn. But Knofler would have to be almost
strictly rhythm behind Martin.
However, you can lose the invitation for Gary Glitter, Adam Ant, Billy
Idol and the Spice Girls.
Steve
seal driver
> 2. If the double solo concert doesn't appeal, then perhaps in larger cities
> (which makes San Francisco mandatory, if you catch my drift), Tull can play a
> 30,000 seat hall one night and Mr. Barre can play a 3,000 seat hall or a 30
> seat club the next.
Oops, I meant a 300 seat club.
MarybalCan
Jckalynn
>Nicely written. I agree, there is no Jethro Tull without Martin Barre!
The Ian Anderson Band, of course. But it wouldn't be Jethro Tull.
>
Yes, most definitely.
I will 2nd that!
Jackalynn
'Coal-black cats in policemen's hats
nosing where the mice have been.'
Jckalynn
opening comment at the three Divinities shows I attended. >
I remember that comment, too. I was also one of the folks that felt like
leaving when I heard Aqualung begin without Martin. IMHO, that song should
have been left out of the set due to Martin's abscence.
seal driver
> However, you can lose the invitation for Gary Glitter, Adam Ant, Billy
> Idol and the Spice Girls.
I just had one of those weird rock revelations, the Spice Girls singing A Passion
Play! Can you imagine their
annoying voices coming out of nowhere: "And your little sister's immaculate
virginity wings away on the boney shoulders of a young horse named George, who
stole surreptitiously into her geography revision. (The examining body examined
her body.)"
Sent waves of nausea through my stomach.
WiseGuy
>
> Perhaps it would be a wee bit on the twilight zone side to be up there
> with Mark Knopfler or Stevey Winwood?! Didn't that part of the article
> disturb anyone else?!
What, like seeing your wife having lunch with another man?
Could be a big deal, could be no big deal. Definitely better if some
understanding is reached beforehand.
WiseGuy
>
> HELLLLLOOOO?????? I guess I'm the only one who finds this grossly
> disturbing.
Yep, you're the jealous husband all right. Prepare to defend your
manhood.
> If it means Tull would add these guys to the band ala
> 'Eddie Jobson special guest' style then, I feel ill.
Hmm, now they're dating. Not good.
> If it means that these guys would be the headliner and Tull would
> open, then I feel sick.
Whoops, now he's asking her out.
Think you feel sick, eh? Just wait to see what reaction comes next.
The bastard.
> These golden years shouldn't tarnish the many great years past and
> the respect earned by Jethro Tull. Please don't do a Mandoki with
> these guys!
Didn't he direct "When A Man Loves A Woman"?
> This is surely some ugly, wholey unfounded, rumour, right?!
>
> Geez, now I've gotten me knickers in a bunch.
Kram, I do believe you are a man in love. 'Tis a thing of beauty.
_pame...@geocities.com
That is really not a bad idea, Seal ... or perhaps in several major cities.
Maybe a combo of SLOB material and Martin Barre material, with a piece or two
from Thread as well. Or if not in major cities, maybe the second night in one
central point, in conjuction with a Tull convention. As in the midwest, like
Colorado or Kansas City area. (I mention KC because of the cheapest airfares
to benifit the most people but CO would be nice)
After all,if Ian is planning on releasing 2 albums at once, he has to do two
tours at once. :-)
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Smiley
Around the time of Ian's 50th b-day, someone (sorry I can't remember
who, said that Ian was invited to become a member of the Spice Girls.
Of course, under the name of 'Old Spice'.
I didn't say it, I just repeated it. (which is worse?)
Jckalynn
with Mark Knopfler or Stevey Winwood?! Didn't that part of the article
disturb anyone else?!>
Yes, I can't see this happening at all.
Jckalynn
tours at once. :-)>
OK, Pam...I'm with you on this one. It makes sense...well to many anyway :-}~~
Ian...what do you think?
WiseGuy
>
> >After all,if Ian is planning on releasing 2 albums at once, he has to
> do two tours at once. :-)>
>
> OK, Pam...I'm with you on this one. It makes sense...well to many
> anyway :-}~~
> Ian...what do you think?
Plagiarizing the web site:
"The difficulty of the two releases being close together, in the
temporal if not the musical sense, is evidenced by the reluctance shown
in 1995 by the print media to give the last Tull record 'Roots To
Branches' a decent airing in the press following the release of
'Divinities' since they felt a tad over-exposed to Mr. A's meanderings
within any one six month period."
I interpreted this to mean the group and solo efforts *won't* be
released nigh in timespace. I got the impression the main (if not only)
reason the solo effort has not been released already is the contractual
issues having screwed things up. No?
seal driver
> In article <36C244EC...@jethro.tull>,
> seal driver <seal....@jethro.tull> wrote:
> > seal driver wrote:
> >
> > > 2. If the double solo concert doesn't appeal, then perhaps in larger cities
> > > (which makes San Francisco mandatory, if you catch my drift), Tull can play a
> > > 30,000 seat hall one night and Mr. Barre can play a 3,000 seat hall or a 30
> > > seat club the next.
> >
> > Oops, I meant a 300 seat club.
> >
> >
>
> That is really not a bad idea, Seal ... or perhaps in several major cities.
> Maybe a combo of SLOB material and Martin Barre material, with a piece or two
> from Thread as well. Or if not in major cities, maybe the second night in one
> central point, in conjuction with a Tull convention. As in the midwest, like
> Colorado or Kansas City area. (I mention KC because of the cheapest airfares
> to benifit the most people but CO would be nice)
>
> After all,if Ian is planning on releasing 2 albums at once, he has to do two
> tours at once. :-)
Pam, that was my thinking. This would be a great way for MB to promote his solo
projects and for IA to promote SLOB. Now all we have to do is plead with them until
they either do it or cancel all their tours. :-)
seal driver
> I interpreted this to mean the group and solo efforts *won't* be
> released nigh in timespace. I got the impression the main (if not only)
> reason the solo effort has not been released already is the contractual
> issues having screwed things up. No?
WiseGuy, I read that the same way. But, I think they could get some great
exposure for their solo projects if they doubled up a tour. Let IA release
SLOB on a schedule the record company wants. That shouldn't stop him from
doing a few solo shows along with MB during the next tour.
Kram Namloc
>
> Kram Namloc wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps it would be a wee bit on the twilight zone side to be up there
> > with Mark Knopfler or Stevey Winwood?! Didn't that part of the article
> > disturb anyone else?!
>
>
> Could be a big deal, could be no big deal. Definitely better if some
> understanding is reached beforehand.
Or like seeing Ians flute between someone elses legs!
Naughty, naughty
Kram
_pame...@geocities.com
of the year, Mr.A. also muses about releasing both albums at the same time,
and promoting them both together on tour.
He also says he is too old to join the Spanish Air Force. I need more proof
on that score. :-)
Oh, and that he finds it incredible that after posting on the newgroup ...no
one believes he is really Mr.Real. So, for the last of you Doubting Thomases
... there you have it.
I, one the other hand, knew it was him from the very second post about his
cat Taj (Mr.Mahal). So there. :-)
In article <36C2F9...@hal-pc.org>,
hofw...@hal-pc.org wrote:
> Jckalynn wrote:
> > =
>
> > >After all,if Ian is planning on releasing 2 albums at once, he has to =
>
> > do two tours at once. :-)>
> > =
>
> > OK, Pam...I'm with you on this one. It makes sense...well to many =
>
> > anyway :-}~~
> > Ian...what do you think?
>
> Plagiarizing the web site:
>
> "The difficulty of the two releases being close together, in the
> temporal if not the musical sense, is evidenced by the reluctance shown
> in 1995 by the print media to give the last Tull record 'Roots To
> Branches' a decent airing in the press following the release of=A0
> 'Divinities' since they felt a tad over-exposed to Mr. A's meanderings
> within any one six month period."
>
> I interpreted this to mean the group and solo efforts *won't* be
> released nigh in timespace. I got the impression the main (if not only)
> reason the solo effort has not been released already is the contractual
> issues having screwed things up. No?
>
pamela and the cats who should be sewing not posting.
Kram Namloc
>
> Kram Namloc wrote:
> >
LOL! I'm just a jealous guy....Woops, wrong rock star.
Kram
Stay away from my band or I'll kick your ass! [The preceeding was
directed at any potential suitors who would play Martins licks, sing
Ians lyrics, and above all, polish IA's flute!]
WiseGuy
>
> Or like seeing Ians flute between someone elses legs!
Hmm...I may have hit the mark with the references to jealousy. Methinks
I begin to see your problem. Disgusting indeed.
I'm sure Ian would do it for you if you asked nicely.
You do ask nicely, don't you?
WiseGuy
>
> Stay away from my band or I'll kick your ass! [The preceeding was
> directed at any potential suitors who would play Martins licks, sing
> Ians lyrics, and above all, polish IA's flute!]
Suspicions confirmed.
amjters, let's come to Kram's aid here. Seems he has a favour to ask of
Mr. Real.
Poor guy.
Block Dog
wrote:
>News.Kabelfoon wrote in message ...
>
>...a whole bunch of highly critical observations attributed to band members
>with no supporting first person quotes, etc., etc. How can we sit back and
>pretend to know what these guys are thinking without hearing it first hand
>from them?
>
Ray,
I agree with you.
It seems that folks are reading much into this interview and other
situations that I simply don't see.
Martin himself said in the Rock Line interview that he hoped he was
too busy with Tull to have time for his solo project. (paraphrased)
The "New" guys know when they hire on what their position is.
If you could be a part of Jethro Tull do you think you would
start feeling robbed because your boss acted like well, your boss?
Ian Anderson has been the Manager, Booking Agent , Frontman and Main
Songwriter for the Band for about 30 years.
(not to mention the prime chili provider.)
His "money" arrangement with band mates is realy none of our bizzness.
I suspect that Martin is making above minimum wage. :)
(Take a peek at that old farm he bought)
Let's not create "troubles" within the ranks of our favorite band when
they probably don't exist.
Block
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Kram Namloc
Now that's a faggy thing to ask! And I thought you were my pal. Shame on
you Wisedog! Disgustiing suggestion; noone besides Martin will ever feel
the touch of cold silver on leather- not even you!
And for the record; I may be happy but I'm not gay:)
Kram
WiseGuy
>
> Now that's a faggy thing to ask! And I thought you were my pal. Shame
> on you Wisedog! Disgustiing suggestion; noone besides Martin will ever
> feel the touch of cold silver on leather- not even you!
>
> And for the record; I may be happy but I'm not gay:)
Holy cow! Did I go too far to get a laugh at your expense?
Shoulda added the smileythingies. Hope it's not too late. :)))))))))
Jckalynn
one believes he is really Mr.Real. So, for the last of you Doubting Thomases
... there you have it.>
That's right...he's the one and only. Remember the 1st few times he posted
here he signed his posts as Mr Real? I think that's where this Mister Reel got
his idea. Anyway, as Ian siad only Real Tull is the REAL one.
>I, one the other hand, knew it was him from the very second post about his
cat Taj (Mr.Mahal). So there. :-)
>
When I got to meet him in L.A. he talked about Taj, or Mr T...he's got lots of
names for him.
Kram Namloc
:) to you my friend. I guess I may have been a bit on edge as I was in
the thick of 'one of those days'.
Kram
_pame...@geocities.com
jcka...@aol.com (Jckalynn) wrote:
>
> >
>
> When I got to meet him in L.A. he talked about Taj, or Mr T...he's got lots of
> names for him.
>
> Jackalynn
Well, I have alot of names for my little angel too. :-)
Jckalynn
haha
Yes, Pam...me too. funny the names we come up with for our cats...and mine
answers to them all!! (Of course, only when they want to~you know how cats
are...) How about yours?
only4u...@hotmail.com
"Melvin Lyttaker III" <lytt...@interl.net> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> As much as I always enjoy hearing directly from members of Tull (and thanks
> to TPB for posting the feature on Martin), I must say that I am picking up
> on a less-than-enthusiastic attitude from Martin toward his relationship
> with Tull during the past few years (...) I
> hope the "powers-that-be" recognizes Martin's unique position as the
> keystone of that line-up. He has earned the right to have more say over the
> creative process. At the same time, I hope Martin realizes that his
> creative contributions within the context of Tull are genuinely appreciated
> by Tull fans, even if he is performing within the dominant creative
> environment of another individual.
>
Hear, hear! I couldn't imagine Tull without Martin Barre! I guess no one
could, not even IA, I'm sure. But your observations are very sensible,
Melvin. I'm eager to hear more about this.
Jeronimo.
only4u...@hotmail.com
seal driver <seal....@jethro.tull> wrote:
(...)
> 2. If the double solo concert doesn't appeal, then perhaps in larger cities
> (which makes San Francisco mandatory, if you catch my drift), Tull can play a
> 30,000 seat hall one night and Mr. Barre can play a 3,000 seat hall or a 30
> seat club the next.
Perhaps that should do it like TAFKAP does: doing a secret 'after concert' gig
in a small club or something in the same town, just in an intimate setting for
the hardcore fans. On the other hand, maybe our hero's shouldn't strain
theirselves too much, considering their age ;-)
Jeronimo
only4u...@hotmail.com
"News.Kabelfoon" <jvoo...@kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
(....)In fact, should
> Martin decide to leave, Ian will not get away with calling the band Jethro
> Tull any longer. It would cost him dire, at least in Europe(...)
I agree!
> I think that Mr. Anderson is not at all a pleasant person to work with,
> keeping everything under HIS control. (...)
I guess you do have a point here, Jan. At the same time I think this goes for
most (if not all) of the greatest artists in history. From Picasso to John
Lennon to Willy Alberti (no, that's a joke), they made art that will last
forever, but they sure had their dark side. A genius is not easy to work with
, just ask my collegues (kidding again). IA is definitely a genius. Thanks to
IA's firm control JT lasted for so long, but hey, JT is nothing without the
great Martin Barre!!!!!!
News.Kabelfoon
>I guess you do have a point here, Jan. At the same time I think this goes
for
>most (if not all) of the greatest artists in history. From Picasso to John
>Lennon to Willy Alberti (no, that's a joke), they made art that will last
>forever, but they sure had their dark side. A genius is not easy to work
with
>, just ask my collegues (kidding again). IA is definitely a genius. Thanks
to
>IA's firm control JT lasted for so long, but hey, JT is nothing without the
>great Martin Barre!!!!!!
>
>Jeronimo
Well, Jeroen, coming to think of it, we all might have overlooked an
important element in this discussion: it is very well possible that Martin
and others have become such great musicians BECAUSE of Ian's presence, him
being The Great Stimulator, who brings out the best of others that work with
him. If so, once again the man is a genius. I come to this conclusion
because the soloprojects stay - without exception - below Tull-level.
>
BTW: As for this thread (and others): do I perceive a lack of critical
approach lately when it comes to our heroes??? You know: the "Ian is Go(o)d"
thing......
Jan
_pame...@geocities.com
jcka...@aol.com (Jckalynn) wrote:
> >Well, I have alot of names for my little angel too. :-)>
>
> haha
> Yes, Pam...me too. funny the names we come up with for our cats...and mine
> answers to them all!! (Of course, only when they want to~you know how cats
> are...) How about yours?
>
Nope. She usually pretends to not hear a thing, but at 6 months old ... that
may be the norm. It has been 10 years since having a kitten.
And if she listened she wouldn't have stuck her paw in front of that cutting
wheel rotary blade last night. It was a bad night last night. :-( But I guess
that I should be grateful it wasn't worse, and that we didn't have to go to
the vet for stitches. Within the hour she was tearing around like normal
(leaving little bits of blood everywhere) whereas I was feeling quite sick.
I can only hope she has learned a lesson; I knew it was going to happen one
day, her trying to catch the moving shiny blade. She is just the most "into
everything" cat I have ever seen. She even has to sit on the edge of the
kitchen sink to help me do dishes.:-)
pamela and the cats who should be sewing not posting.
http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/3604/muse.htm
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Ray Lomas
News.Kabelfoon wrote in message ...
>BTW: As for this thread (and others): do I perceive a lack of critical
>approach lately when it comes to our heroes??? You know: the "Ian is
Go(o)d"
>thing......
>
>Jan
Speaking only for myself Jan, I don't think it's bad to criticize our
"heroes". But when you suggest that Mr. Real is a puppeteer, armed with no
real backup...I don't think that's fair.
Just me,
Ray
Jckalynn
the songs; I'll still be there.
>
and so will I:)
News.Kabelfoon
Ray Lomas heeft geschreven in bericht ...
a bit more differentiated than 'puppeteer'. It's true that I didn't reveal
my exact sources, but be sure that I have them, having followed the band for
almost 30 years now. Besides, one does not have to be a qualified
psychologist to understand how these thing work, don't we? It all went the
way it went and it provided us fans with a lot of beautiful music and great
gigs. But it took it's toll, and that was were the original comment of this
thread was about.....
Kind regards, Jan
>
KCRvrRnnr
of the cheapest airfares to benifit the most people but CO would be nice)
Not to mention the home of KCRvrRnnr <g>.
Come on down...KC has, besides the world's greatest barbecue, some of the
best-kept secrets around. The zoo has been masterfully renovated (word is that
Ian visited last summer the day of his show); and we have a couple of
absolutely fantastic new museums that have opened in the past few years:
Steamboat Arabia displays the wares salvaged from a Missouri River steamboat
that sank outside of KC before the Civil War. It was unearthed about ten-twelve
years ago in a farmers' field (the river had since changed course) and the
cargo meticulously cleaned up and preserved. The museum literally portraysa
Wal-Mart of the 1850's. Closest similar museum I've seen is the La Brea Tar
Pits in LA: same size, same labor of love in the preservation of the artifacts.
Kansas City Jazz Museum highlights KC's role in the history of jazz, with a
special emphasis on KC's own Charlie "Bird" Parker.The adjacent Negro Baseball
Leagues museum is a fascinating documentary of the old Negro baseball leagues
before blacks were allowed to play in the majors.
For nightlife, The Grand Emporium is one of the USA's most renowned blues
houses. And the Country Club Plaza, an outdoor shopping area modeled
architecturally after Seville, Spain, is another world-class attraction.
Like I said...come on down! I'll be happy to show y'all around!
Steve Smith
Sorry to disagree, especially when I have so little proof. But, I've
never heard anyone complain that John Lennon was a studio dictator.
However, his producer on Pussycats and Rock and Roll, Phil Spector fired
guns off in the studio as an intimidating way of coaxing the performance
he sought out of JL and Harry Nillson.
Steve
only4u...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <79sque$m5p$1...@news.kabelfoon.nl>,
> "News.Kabelfoon" <jvoo...@kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
> (....)In fact, should
> > Martin decide to leave, Ian will not get away with calling the band Jethro
> > Tull any longer. It would cost him dire, at least in Europe(...)
>
> I agree!
>
> > I think that Mr. Anderson is not at all a pleasant person to work with,
> > keeping everything under HIS control. (...)
>
> I guess you do have a point here, Jan. At the same time I think this goes for
> most (if not all) of the greatest artists in history. From Picasso to John
> Lennon to Willy Alberti (no, that's a joke), they made art that will last
> forever, but they sure had their dark side. A genius is not easy to work with
> , just ask my collegues (kidding again). IA is definitely a genius. Thanks to
> IA's firm control JT lasted for so long, but hey, JT is nothing without the
> great Martin Barre!!!!!!
>
> Jeronimo
>
Nick Andrew
>Perhaps that should do it like TAFKAP does: doing a secret 'after concert' gig
>in a small club or something in the same town, just in an intimate setting for
>the hardcore fans.
Somebody once said (something like) ... Ian can go onstage and whisper
the songs; I'll still be there.
Nick.
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ni...@zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) wrote:
>
> Somebody once said (something like) ... Ian can go onstage and whisper
> the songs; I'll still be there.
>
> Nick.
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J