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audiogroove

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Dec 4, 2009, 9:05:43 PM12/4/09
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If I have a full time job, who knows the best way to learn to make
standard mixes that a mastering house wouldn't even notice was done by
an amateur?
For Ex:
No recording studio school I know of has part time classes and
requires full time enrollment (and I live in a huge city)
Berklee course online cost $1200 US each. OUCH. Half of it I
probably have figured out myself already so that's real expensive,
real expensive, you would have to take about 10 courses I gather.
I tried books. They explain everything but the recording process:
what you really need to know.
Thanks to anyone who can give me some ideas here!!

F

Con and Dec The Bachelors

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Dec 5, 2009, 1:00:51 PM12/5/09
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On Dec 5, 2:05 am, audiogroove <musicprodu...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> If I have a full time job, who knows the best way to learn to make
> standard mixes that a mastering house wouldn't even notice was done by
> Thanks to anyone who can give me some ideas here!!
>
> F

F [strange name??? Grin!]

There is a strange logic which abounds in a lot of Web Talk [groups
etc.] that all the knowledge is available on the Net for free ... it
certainly is not. "Anything 'free' is worth nothing" is a phrase
worth remembering.

Considering that a brain surgeon will spend 18 years studying before
he ever gets to see, let alone operate on, a brain ... and spend a
huge amount of money learning, it continues to astonish me that guys
can expect to stumble into our highly sophisticated, knowledge based
business and behave and act like the guys who have gone the brain
surgeon route, studied their craft and spent an inordinate amount of
money learning.

When you say 'ouch' at the amount asked by Berklee and I consider what
I have spent in my career, I sit back and smile.

The magic phrase to consider is that you have to 'learn how to
learn' ... and that involves learning what to spend, when to spend and
how to spend it. I still will spend, even at my stage of the game.
See http://www.makehits.co.uk/art001.htm for my attitude toward guys
spending.

It is also worth considering that I once employed a guy fresh from
qualifying in a University Degree course on sound technology and he
couldn't wire a XLR plug [now don't say you couldn't either? grin!]

Most colleges have hugely expensive equipment [usually the wrong kind]
with tutors who have never had any success whatsoever in their lives
and are steeped in 60's, 70's Rock 'N Roll. Distance Learning
colleges mostly have manuals and courses written in 1976 and never
updated [I can tell you the good ones].

<<<<<<<<Half of it I probably have figured out myself already >>>>>>>

I would worry about that statement ...

A blank canvas is best ... that way you don't have to unlearn all the
disastrous habits and techniques that the self taught, 'picked it up
on the way' guys have. Universally flawed and dangerous. A recipe
for 'no success'.

<<<<<<<<They explain everything but the recording process>>>>

Think of it as a Chemistry Class back at school ... you need the text
books and the learning to give you the basic, correct theory [so
important despite what the equipment manufacturers and other group
contributors may say] ... then you will need the teacher to actually
demonstrate the experiments [recording]. And these demonstrations
should be of the latest, most commercial and money making recording
techniques and systems available.

I now stand back, having lit the blue touch paper and wait for the
explosion of wrath .... [grin!]

'Learn how to Learn' ... 'be prepared to pay for a $fortune making
career' ... then learn from the best money making guys who will share
their knowledge. [hard to find!]

Being afraid to spend will only bring you to the level of all the
others who were afraid to spend... logical?

Dec [Cluskey]

Six String Stu

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Dec 5, 2009, 1:38:38 PM12/5/09
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"Con and Dec The Bachelors" <d...@thebachelors.co.uk> wrote in message
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F [strange name??? Grin!]

Dec [Cluskey]
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I allways have a better appreciation for Lester "Roadhog" Moran after
reading you Dec.


Tony Risotto

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Dec 6, 2009, 4:50:19 PM12/6/09
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Con and Dec...

Yours is a damned fine post.

T


Stupid_Stu@moronsrus

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:29:23 PM12/6/09
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"Six String Stu" <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote in news:30859$4b1aa8cb
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> I allways have a better appreciation for Lester "Roadhog" Moran after
> reading you Dec.

The sort of mindless reply that one expects from a mental retard and SSDI
parasite like Six String Stu.

Six String Stu

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Dec 6, 2009, 8:31:44 PM12/6/09
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<Stupid_Stu@moronsRus> wrote in message
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yawn.
Even Lester "Roaddog" Moran exhibits more intellectual fortitude then you do
(and he was a parody character)!

You are nothing but a cushion for some syphillitic ass twink. Anyone with a
jr. high school education knows that SSDI is not charity. It's insurance.

Go back under your bridge troll, eat shit and die, you silly lil punk
sucker.


Stupid_Stu@moronsrus

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Dec 6, 2009, 9:09:41 PM12/6/09
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"Six String Stu" <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote in
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Anyone with an 8th grade education is capable of recognizing you for the
pathetic, irresponsible sack of shit that you are. Despite the fact that
you are totally responsible for your diability, you now expect/demand that
society pick up the tab for the consequence of your own irresponsible
behavior.

Six String Stu

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Dec 6, 2009, 9:29:09 PM12/6/09
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<Stupid_Stu@moronsRus> wrote in message
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lol I'd sure love to get irresponsible with your punk ass:)
But like most blow hards I reccognize that you just aren't worth the effort.
Heck even you (when you look in the mirror) know this to be truth.


Stupid_Stu@moronsrus

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:28:43 PM12/6/09
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"Six String Stu" <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote in
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Laugh all you want, asswipe. The fact of the matter is that you are the one
who is where he is because of his own stupidity and responsible behavior,
and you are the one who is a parasite on society, not me. And, when you
look in the mirror, you know this to be the truth.

Stupid_Stu@moronsrus

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:32:20 PM12/6/09
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"Six String Stu" <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote in
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Laugh all you want, asswipe. The fact of the matter is that YOU are the
one who is where he is because of his own stupidity and IRRESPONSIBLE
responsible behavior, and YOU are the one who is a parasite on society,
not me. And, when YOU look in the mirror, you know this to be the truth.

Six String Stu

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Dec 6, 2009, 11:03:53 PM12/6/09
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<Stupid_Stu@moronsRus> wrote in message
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So Your enjoyment from this dysfunctional posting is derived from reading
what you have written? I see ya caught your lil faux pas. :)
SSDI is NOT charity. And yes, I am why I am where I am. Living in my own
mortage free home, a small set of bills and even less wants in life.
Sure I'd love to be back in the rat race eating lil mice like you, but this
cat is content enough with his lot in life. My only hope is that some day
you will find yourself walking in these shoes. Will you be half the man?
Judging from what you've demonstrated so far, I think not. :)


Dec [Cluskey]

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:38:09 PM12/8/09
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Hi All

Well that certainly killed off what promised to be an interesting,
controversial and fun thread!

Regards

Dec [Cluskey]

Six String Stu

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Dec 8, 2009, 3:59:04 PM12/8/09
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"Dec [Cluskey]" <d...@makehits.com> wrote in message
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Have patience Dec, there will be plenty more oppertunities for you to show
us what a wonderful self image you hold. :)


Stupid_Stu@hypocritsrus

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:16:25 PM12/8/09
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"Six String Stu" <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote in
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> So Your enjoyment from this dysfunctional posting is derived from
> reading what you have written?

Feel free to believe whatever you whish.

> SSDI is NOT charity.

That's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, the purpose of insurance is to
cover situations that are out of one's control, not to pay for the long-
term consequences of when a shit-for-brains idiot like you shoots yourself
in both feet.


> My only hope
> is that some day you will find yourself walking in these shoes.

And you call yourself a Christian? What a joke!

> Will
> you be half the man? Judging from what you've demonstrated so far, I
> think not. :)

Think again, scumbag.

Harry Trueman

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Dec 8, 2009, 7:43:49 PM12/8/09
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Bullshit

Honcho

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:03:53 AM12/12/09
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On Dec 5, 2:05 am, audiogroove <musicprodu...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Berklee has a proven track record whilst there are 1000s of internet-
based courses (including spammers to this NG) who have no proven
record of successfully mentoring. If you think you have to pay, then
be careful out there. You could finish up paying for 50 year old
information!

Richard

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