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The Green Troll

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Dec 7, 2007, 4:22:57 PM12/7/07
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Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://
terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1554&Y=11288&W=1>. What is its design type? Should it
be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?

-- Poe M'Noke <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/longisland>

Steve A.

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Dec 7, 2007, 5:42:15 PM12/7/07
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How about a Pepsi?

The Green Troll

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Dec 12, 2007, 6:15:19 PM12/12/07
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On Dec 7, 5:42 pm, "Steve A." <zoningper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 4:22 pm, The Green Troll <a...@rev.net> wrote:
>
> > Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1554&Y=11288&W=1>. What is its design type? Should it be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?

> How about a Pepsi?

What's the reference?

Andrew Tompkins

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Dec 12, 2007, 8:12:40 PM12/12/07
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The Green Troll wrote:
> On Dec 7, 5:42 pm, "Steve A." <zoningper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 4:22 pm, The Green Troll <a...@rev.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1554&Y=11288&W=1>. What is its design type? Should it be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?
>
>> How about a Pepsi?
>
> What's the reference?
>

The circle with the parallel squiggles in the Pepsi logo.

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--Andy

The Green Troll

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Dec 13, 2007, 5:26:57 PM12/13/07
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On Dec 12, 8:12 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The Green Troll wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 5:42 pm, "Steve A." <zoningper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 7, 4:22 pm, The Green Troll <a...@rev.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=155...>. What is its design type? Should it be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?

>
> >> How about a Pepsi?
>
> > What's the reference?
>
> The circle with the parallel squiggles in the Pepsi logo.

Makes sense.

How do we memorialize Harry Chapin, then? Exit 41 at <http://
terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1559&Y=11289&W=1> is
practically a conventional cloverleaf.

-- Poe M'Noke <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/interchange>

Andrew Tompkins

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Dec 13, 2007, 5:42:30 PM12/13/07
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The Green Troll wrote:
> On Dec 12, 8:12 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The Green Troll wrote:
>>> On Dec 7, 5:42 pm, "Steve A." <zoningper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 7, 4:22 pm, The Green Troll <a...@rev.net> wrote:
>>>>> Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=155...>. What is its design type? Should it be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?
>>>> How about a Pepsi?
>>> What's the reference?
>> The circle with the parallel squiggles in the Pepsi logo.
>
> Makes sense.
>
> How do we memorialize Harry Chapin, then? Exit 41 at <http://
> terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1559&Y=11289&W=1> is
> practically a conventional cloverleaf.
>

Why do we need to memorialize people, particularly people who have
little or nothing to do with roads, on or with our roads? I can see
memorializing someone who dies while building a structure by naming the
structure after that person, but otherwise, I just don't see the
purpose. There are better ways to memorialize people.

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--Andy

The Green Troll

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Dec 19, 2007, 8:00:17 PM12/19/07
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Abraham LIncoln didn't dig tunnels. What name would you attach to the
so-called Lincoln Tunnel under the Hudson River? Is it acceptable
because it has been linkin' Midtown Manhattan and Weehawken for
decades? Ever wonder why it isn't called the Hamilton Tunnel?

What would you rename the Alexander Hamilton Bridge across the Harlem
River?

Should a subway line be named after Harriet Tubman of the Underground
Railroad?

-- Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/transporation>

The Green Troll

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Dec 19, 2007, 8:29:21 PM12/19/07
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On Dec 12, 8:12 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The Green Troll wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 5:42 pm, "Steve A." <zoningper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 7, 4:22 pm, The Green Troll <a...@rev.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Exit 40 of the Long Island Expressway is shown at <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=155...>. What is its design type? Should it be named the Cat-in-the-Cradle?

>
> >> How about aPepsi?
>
> > What's the reference?
>
> The circle with the parallel squiggles in thePepsilogo.

There's a larger, messier version at <http://terraserver-usa.com/
image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1405&Y=11262&W=3&qs=%7cunion%7cnj%7c>.
Would that be a Dyspepsi?

-- Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/jersey>

Andrew Tompkins

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Dec 20, 2007, 1:05:20 AM12/20/07
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The Green Troll wrote:
> On Dec 13, 5:42 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The Green Troll wrote:
>
>>> How do we memorialize Harry Chapin, then? Exit 41 at <http://
>>> terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1559&Y=11289&W=1> is
>>> practically a conventional cloverleaf.
>> Why do we need to memorialize people, particularly people who have
>> little or nothing to do with roads, on or with our roads? I can see
>> memorializing someone who dies while building a structure by naming the
>> structure after that person, but otherwise, I just don't see the
>> purpose. There are better ways to memorialize people.
>
> Abraham LIncoln didn't dig tunnels. What name would you attach to the
> so-called Lincoln Tunnel under the Hudson River? Is it acceptable
> because it has been linkin' Midtown Manhattan and Weehawken for
> decades? Ever wonder why it isn't called the Hamilton Tunnel?
>

Got anything that says that the Lincoln Tunnel was named for Abraham
Lincoln? I couldn't find anything that said how they came up with the name.

>
> What would you rename the Alexander Hamilton Bridge across the Harlem
> River?
>

There are literally millions of names available.

>
> Should a subway line be named after Harriet Tubman of the Underground
> Railroad?
>

Did I advocate this? Besides 'underground' in that context didn't
reference being under the land surface, it referenced being outside the
common knowledge. And 'railroad' was more a catchy word for a
transportation corridor than an actual road of rails (being the fastest
way to get around at the time).

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--Andy

The Green Troll

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Dec 27, 2007, 7:00:07 PM12/27/07
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On Dec 20, 1:05 am, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Got anything that says that theLincoln Tunnel was named for Abraham

> Lincoln? I couldn't find anything that said how they came up with the name.

How silly of me. Obviously, the original plans must have called for
the tunnel to connect the capital of Nebraska with Lincoln in England,
but they barely completed the section under the Hudson River before
hitting impenetrable bedrock on both sides. Previously, Peter
Stuyvesant intended the Holland Tunnel to reach the mother country,
but a British invasion caused an avalanche that filled it with rolling
stones.

> The Green Troll wrote:
> > What would you rename the Alexander Hamilton Bridge across the Harlem
> > River?
>
> There are literally millions of names available.

Can you come up with five that won't refer to non-transportation
people?

> > Should a subway line be named after Harriet Tubman of the Underground
> > Railroad?
>
> Did I advocate this?

What do you advocate?

-- Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/transportation>

Andrew Tompkins

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Dec 27, 2007, 8:12:40 PM12/27/07
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The Green Troll wrote:
> On Dec 20, 1:05 am, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Got anything that says that theLincoln Tunnel was named for Abraham
>> Lincoln? I couldn't find anything that said how they came up with the name.
>
> How silly of me. Obviously, the original plans must have called for
> the tunnel to connect the capital of Nebraska with Lincoln in England,
> but they barely completed the section under the Hudson River before
> hitting impenetrable bedrock on both sides. Previously, Peter
> Stuyvesant intended the Holland Tunnel to reach the mother country,
> but a British invasion caused an avalanche that filled it with rolling
> stones.
>

Not an answer. Question is still open and now applies to any city names
also.

>
>> The Green Troll wrote:
>>> What would you rename the Alexander Hamilton Bridge across the Harlem
>>> River?
>> There are literally millions of names available.
>
> Can you come up with five that won't refer to non-transportation
> people?
>

Still millions.

>
>>> Should a subway line be named after Harriet Tubman of the Underground
>>> Railroad?
>> Did I advocate this?
>
> What do you advocate?
>

Not an answer. ATFQ.

--
--Andy

Scott M. Kozel

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Dec 27, 2007, 10:01:09 PM12/27/07
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Andrew Tompkins <and...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The Green Troll wrote:
> > Andrew Tompkins wrote:
> >
> >> Got anything that says that the Lincoln Tunnel was named for Abraham

> >> Lincoln? I couldn't find anything that said how they came up with the name.
> >
> > How silly of me. Obviously, the original plans must have called for
> > the tunnel to connect the capital of Nebraska with Lincoln in England,
> > but they barely completed the section under the Hudson River before
> > hitting impenetrable bedrock on both sides. Previously, Peter
> > Stuyvesant intended the Holland Tunnel to reach the mother country,
> > but a British invasion caused an avalanche that filled it with rolling
> > stones.
>
> Not an answer. Question is still open and now applies to any city names also.

It may have been named for different person by the name of Lincoln.

The Holland Tunnel wasn't named for the nation of Holland (the obvious
origin at first glance), it is named after Clifford Milburn Holland,
chief engineer on the project, who died before it was completed.

--
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Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com
Capital Beltway Projects http://www.capital-beltway.com
Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com

Free Lunch

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Dec 27, 2007, 10:16:29 PM12/27/07
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:01:09 -0500, in misc.transport.road
"Scott M. Kozel" <koz...@comcast.net> wrote in
<477466F5...@comcast.net>:

>Andrew Tompkins <and...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> The Green Troll wrote:
>> > Andrew Tompkins wrote:
>> >
>> >> Got anything that says that the Lincoln Tunnel was named for Abraham
>> >> Lincoln? I couldn't find anything that said how they came up with the name.
>> >
>> > How silly of me. Obviously, the original plans must have called for
>> > the tunnel to connect the capital of Nebraska with Lincoln in England,
>> > but they barely completed the section under the Hudson River before
>> > hitting impenetrable bedrock on both sides. Previously, Peter
>> > Stuyvesant intended the Holland Tunnel to reach the mother country,
>> > but a British invasion caused an avalanche that filled it with rolling
>> > stones.
>>
>> Not an answer. Question is still open and now applies to any city names also.
>
>It may have been named for different person by the name of Lincoln.
>
>The Holland Tunnel wasn't named for the nation of Holland (the obvious
>origin at first glance), it is named after Clifford Milburn Holland,
>chief engineer on the project, who died before it was completed.

How perfect was Eugenius H. Outerbridge as a name for the crossing
furthest out on Staten Island?

At least the George Washington Bridge has his whole name. I don't find
any reference to the first name of the Lincoln for which the tunnel was
named.

Scott M. Kozel

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Dec 27, 2007, 10:29:20 PM12/27/07
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Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>
> "Scott M. Kozel" <koz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > The Holland Tunnel wasn't named for the nation of Holland (the obvious
> > origin at first glance), it is named after Clifford Milburn Holland,
> > chief engineer on the project, who died before it was completed.
>
> How perfect was Eugenius H. Outerbridge as a name for the crossing
> furthest out on Staten Island?

Perfect, since it is a southern outer belt bridge crossing between New
Jersey and New York City.



> At least the George Washington Bridge has his whole name. I don't find
> any reference to the first name of the Lincoln for which the tunnel was
> named.

Exactly, and it is typical to use the person's whole name, such as with
the major Philadelphia bridges; the Ben Franklin Bridge, the Walt
Whitman Bridge, the Commodore Barry Bridge, and the Betsy Ross Bridge.
It is perfectly clear as to what they were named for.

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