NQC, HUNTING and POTTY TRAINING UPDATE
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NQC, HUNTING and POTTY TRAINING UPDATE
A new CD,.. a trip to California, hunting with friends, singing at NQC
and potty training have all been occupying Jonathan Martin's time
lately. Martin says: "I have been very busy. I had a wonderful trip to
California. I spent two days at the National Quartet Convention,..
read more on this story here:
http://www.sglive365.com/news101305jm.html
Ruthfro...@webtv.net
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That was with his first wife
Jr.
Things were really strained when he left his first wife and married soon
thereafter.
The sisters would not communicate with him which forced him to leave the
group.
Hope they get things patched up.
<p1t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Fred
of his son. I seem to remember that his son has some kind of chronic health
problem.
"Jr." <pauls...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Jr.
Looks like Jonathan has 4 kids now. Two with the first wife and 2 with the
second.
I hope he is still doing the right thing with the first wife and two
children by supporting them.
"Fred" <Fr...@bellsouth.com> wrote in message
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dackjarvis
You folks are utterly amazing in your double-standards. Why aren't
you all threatening to boycott Jonathan's new project? Or burn all
his previous CDs? Or refuse to buy tickets for his concerts (if any
are planned)?
Why aren't you demanding a public apology for his blatant mockery of
the calling of God on his life and for damaging the Southern Gospel
industry by breaking up one family and starting another? When did he
go through his time of repentance and restoration where everyone can
snoop in his private issues?
How can you practically congratulate a Southern Gospel musician for
dumping one woman and marrying another (and obviously having sex with
her, while his first wife is still alive), and at the same time nearly
crucify another Southern Gospel musician (and award winning writer!)
for divorcing his wife and then remaining celibate because he is gay?
You folks are totally messed up in your standards and the way you
exercise compassion.
Jr.
There was no evidence of adultery. Only in your own mind.
If divorce were a criteria for leaving Southern Gospel there would hardly be
anyone left to sing.
As always you spew your pro-gay agenda here and I will say that is the only
reason you even posted here.
Go away Dack. It was really nicer when you were missing from the newsgroup.
"dackjarvis" <dackj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ruthfro...@webtv.net
And I have never put you or anyone else down for being celebate.....I am
celebate myself......not because I am gay, but because God teaches that
any sex outside of marriage is a sin.
(Just) Allan
wrote:
>His one son by his first wife I believe has Cerebral Palsy.
>Looks like Jonathan has 4 kids now. Two with the first wife and 2 with the
>second.
>I hope he is still doing the right thing with the first wife and two
>children by supporting them.
I won't say it. But I should.
ManwSloHand
ManwSloHand
> everyone can snoop in his private issues?
Good question. Same rules should apply in a case of adultery as well. I
wish I could understand why SG fans are so rabid and willing to turn a
blind eye when it's convenient to keep their idol on the throne.
ruthl...@msn.com
had scriptural reason for getting a divorce (an ex who saw no reason
that being married should interfer with his dating life!). Like I
said, I believe that ANY sex outside marriage is a sin. Ruth Lee
James Moore
I agree.
James
Willy
Secondly, according to fundie standards, getting divorced and remarrying IS
ADULTERY.
Thirdly, for the record, it is reported that there was a relationship with
the other woman before he left his wife - but I cannot say that with first
hand knowledge.
The sisters asked him to leave as a result.
Dack, you're right. Some gag at a nat and swallow the camel - or perhaps I
should say, some gag at a celibate gay, but swallow an adulterous
heterosexual.
Willy
JL
hardly be anyone left to sing."
And if gluttony, sloth, drunkenness and pride were criteria for leaving
southern gospel, no one at all would be singing. No one!
I see Dack's point. If a sin is a sin is a sin, then it makes sense to
view Jonathan's actions in the same light as others whose sins have
been pointed out on here. Can't you see the double standard here?
Pour out your compassion for the poor adulterer/divorced guy (gee, I
hope he's taking care of the kids...hope they can work it out...), but
it's ok to keep calling the gays names and vilifying them. From what I
can read on here, I guess there are some sins that are worse than
others. Where's that list, I'd love to see it...
(Just) Allan
>"If divorce were a criteria for leaving Southern Gospel there would
>hardly be anyone left to sing."
>
>And if gluttony, sloth, drunkenness and pride were criteria for leaving
>southern gospel, no one at all would be singing. No one!
>
>I see Dack's point. If a sin is a sin is a sin, then it makes sense to
>view Jonathan's actions in the same light as others whose sins have
>been pointed out on here. Can't you see the double standard here?
It's not really a double standard and I'll show why below. But
assuming it is, some (many?) here don't have that double standard.
Some past comments:
"Divorce among Christians is forbidden - unless you've been cheated
on (not the one doing the cheating)."
"Anthony doesn't have clean hands with his quickie divorce and
remarriage just a couple of months later. We all commented about the
fact that Burger had to have someone on the side in order to marry so
quickly after his divorce."
"Just because it's popular, doesn't make it right."
"I personally think adulterers are some of the lowest forms
of life and also quite stupid. Not only have they sealed themselves
into sin (can't repent and return to their partner and can't divorce
the second one either). But if their present "partner" (in crime)
cheated in their previous marriage - with them - are they really so
stupid as to think they won't eventually cheat on them too?
Rhetorical question there of course - I already know the answer. They
really *are* that stupid."
>Pour out your compassion for the poor adulterer/divorced guy (gee, I
>hope he's taking care of the kids...hope they can work it out...), but
>it's ok to keep calling the gays names and vilifying them. From what I
>can read on here, I guess there are some sins that are worse than
>others. Where's that list, I'd love to see it...
I know we've heard it a hundred times from various sources, but I
don't find this idea (that all sin is the same) in Scripture. In
fact, I find the opposite...
John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against
me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that
delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
There are also many things listed in Scripture as sin - and only some
listed as abomination.
Abomination: loathe, abhor, regard as an abomination, a disgusting
thing, ritually unclean, wickedness.
It seems that sin has the same *reward* (death), but that does not
mean all sin is at the same level of depravity. Sin is against God's
will, but abominations are against His natural design as well.
Allan.
JL
tell us which sins are worse than others? Or is this a project Allan
has decided to take upon himself?
(Just) Allan
I should say, that I'm by no means convinced of either view... It's
just that I was reading one day and found that "greater sin" verse. I
never really looked into it any further, because we know no sin is
more desireable to be doing than another - so we should avoid them all
of course.
Ruthfro...@webtv.net
though you broke all of them? If there is a "grading system" for sins,
I would think that a sin that hurts others or brings shame to the church
would be a greater one than a sin that harms only the person doing the
sinning. Does that make sense?