Why not Chester on drums & Fish on vox?
Skypooch
there's this rumour that the old singer Fish might be the new vocalist
for Genesis. This makes some sense in that he's worked with Tony
Banks before, his style is remeniscent of early gabriel / early
collins, but he's not nearly as cute as either one.
Anyway I'd love to know how current Genesis fans feel about that, as I
am more a fan of their older stuff.
So why not put Chester Thompson on drums in the studio, as well as on
stage? He's certainly Phils equal in that department. Not that anyone
is really Phils equal but... He seems like a more likely candjdate
than say Neal Peart, who already has a job. Same for our beloved
Peter Gabriel. So I guess my main question, is that are most Genesis
fans hoping for the soft rock incarnation of late, or more of the hard
edged, progressive thing. Tony Banks last album was very mixed. I am
confused and eager to know.
Thanks,
Rhett
Ted Griffith
SKYP...@A.CRL.COM (Skypooch) wrote:
I have been a Genesis fan since the early 70's. I would like to hear
the group regain more of the hard edged, progressive edge that they
had earlier. Most of their latest stuff has not had a good edge to
it.
Thanks
Ted
Paul Jackson
Hear hear!! I too would love to see Genesis get back to making some
good prog rock like they used to. Make it interesting please, and not
just repetitive, boring radio music. C'mon, these guys are talented,
why not use it?
Paul
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
No problem with Chester on drums, but Fish should be prohibited to
exist.
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Fish still has more talent than most of the bands/writers out there today,
and he fits in with Tony's writing style. Prohibited to exist? What a
shitty statement!
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Why do people like Fish so much and want him in Genesis? Is it just
because he used to be compared to Peter Gabriel? Is it because
he's sung a couple of Banks' songs? (Compared to Banks' usual
vocalists, barking dogs would sound wonderful!)
His style is not good -- he sings way too many words and his lyrics are
boring, when you can understand them in the first place. He's one of
those people who can do something great one out of every 5-10 tries,
which means the new Genesis album would be mostly awful. The
other Genesis people would likely defer to him to write lyrics,
since they don't seem to care much about them anyway.
Scott
McM
I惴 a big fan of genesis, and got all the records. Yes, i also think that
fish is a good idea. Chester? maybe is a bit too old, maybe he doesnæ„’
have phillæ„€ speed...
keek on loving that band!
Bernardino Pinto
hid...@mail.telepac.pt
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
No, Fish doesn't have any talent whatsoever. Perhaps he would work as
a vocalist in a Genesis tribute band. Which doesn't mean anything: tribute
bands have a masturbative aspect which is not really my thing.
And, by the way, if you(Monsieur Jeff B.) think that was a "shitty
statement", I urge you to seek medical help. Shit is is in the eyes of the
beholder; hopefully, it is upsetting you. You know, your eyes may be
itching or something. But if you are fine with it, well...
Tiger Lily
On Thu, 2 May 1996, Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems <softbase@mercury.i
nterpath.com> wrote...
>Why do people like Fish so much...
>...his lyrics are boring...
Oh dear. Looks like you put your foot right in it there. That was a VERY
dumb thing to say. How wrong can you get?
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Gordon McFee
Tiger Lily (ti...@crusher.demon.co.uk) writes:
> On Thu, 2 May 1996, Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems <softbase@mercury.i
> nterpath.com> wrote...
>>Why do people like Fish so much...
>>...his lyrics are boring...
>
> Oh dear. Looks like you put your foot right in it there. That was a VERY
> dumb thing to say. How wrong can you get?
Dumb only by your standards perhaps. I've never heard Marillion
(mixed reviews from the Net) but unless they're closely related to Jesus
Christ (insert omnipotent magic wand waver here) you're just going to have
to face the fact that some people may not like their lyrics the way you
do. I find the truly dumb (or should I say ignorant) people are the ones
who allow no room for other peoples' opinions or any deviations from their
standardized formula for how things should be.
(a tad melodramatic but what the fuck, why not?)
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"Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd
"The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis
"Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
Alan March
No It's just you, although the new Marillion ie after Fish departure, I
must agree are total S***!
Bill Wade
In article <4mkvh9$h...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>, pse...@nyc.pipeline.com(Pedro Sette Camara e Silva) wrote:
: I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
:If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
I don't *hate* them, but if all traces of Marillion existing were to vanish
now, I'd have no quarrel.
HA Sinclair
Alan March (al...@march.u-net.com) wrote:
: Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
: >
: > I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
: > If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
: >
: > Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
: No It's just you, although the new Marillion ie after Fish departure, I
: must agree are total S***!
Yep it is just you. They are fantastic although the comparisons between
Fish and P.G. are slightly off centre as I said in an earlier article. If
you do not like them then keep you're 'Marillion bashing' thread to
another newsgroup as many Genesis fans are also fans of the earlier (and
some of the later) incarnation of Marillion.
Howard hs5...@bristol.ac.uk
"Don't give me your problems"
Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva (pse...@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
: I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
I don't hate them, but they're a very inconsistent band (at least in
the Fish era). They do great songs, then follow through with long,
rambling, pointless ones. Of course, like Tony Banks said, any
group who has an album where you like 3-4 songs is outstanding,
so I guess overall they're better than most.
I don't care for the post-Fish Marillion much, and don't care for the
post-Marillion Fish much. Both lost the tenuous grip they had on the
muse after the split.
Scott
Kevin A. Douglas
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>
> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
> --
>
Sign Me Up!
Actually I would really like to hear more of their stuff before I go on
record as saying I Hate Marillion, but from what I've heard I don't know
if I want to. From a thread on some newsgroup someone mentioned that
_Misplaced Childhood_ was a good starting point to learn about their
music, so I bought it and when I took it home to listen to it, I was
terribly disappointed. It was nothing like Genesis, and this Fish guy
was singing like his dog just died or something. Usually when I listen
to an album for the first time I give it a bit of leeway but I was
actually infuriated that I blew money on this stuff. As a result I am
very leery of anything described as neo-progressive music. I hope
someone can show me otherwise but I think overall Marillion is a bit of
a letdown. I've heard other stuff but nothing really grabs my
attention.
KD
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Kent R. Summers
pse...@nyc.pipeline.com(Pedro Sette Camara e Silva) wrote:
> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>--
>
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
Uh, Pedro, why exactly DO you hate Marillion? As a long time fan of
the band, I AM curious.
Kent
Me
if I want to. From a thread on some newsgroup someone mentioned that
_Misplaced Childhood_ was a good starting point to learn about their
music, so I bought it and when I took it home to listen to it, I was
terribly disappointed. It was nothing like Genesis, and this Fish guy
And I add:
Try "Script for a Jester's Tear". I have both albums (actually, all the
fish-era stuff except for "B'sides Themselves") and have to admit that, upon
repeated listenings, "Misplaced Childhood" is the most OVERATED Marillion
album out from that era. "Script"sounds much more like Genesis, particluarly
the title track.
After that, try "Clutching at Straws". Not at all like Genesis, but very good
IMHO nonetheless.
The Uninvited Guest
(which is coincidentally aMarillion title!)
DAVE
In article <4mkvh9$h...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>,
pse...@nyc.pipeline.co says...
>
> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates
Marillion...
>If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>--
>
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
I think it is only you who hates Marillion. Why don't you
try listening to " Brave " any Genesis fan would like this
concept album.
Michael Pratt
Me too.......pass the sick bag.
Michael Pratt
Gene Dellasala
With all of the shit bands out there today such as Smashing Pumpkins and
Green day... How could you not like Marillion?
They are both progressive and popular depending on what album
Brave is Awesome...So are their more popular songs like "Beautiful" and
"No one can take you away from me now" great songs to play for a
girlfriend!!!!
They are good musicians, and their music has meaning.. Try listening
again.
Daniel O'Riordan Casey
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva (pse...@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
: I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
: If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
: --
:
: Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
Dude!
What kind of bad childhood did you have?
What does the above have to do with Genesis anyway? If you're
comparing the two, it seems to me you're paying Marillion a high
compliment!
Dan
P.S. I think you are the only one who hates Marillion. Maybe you could
manage a constructive post??
Daniel Baker
Alan March <al...@march.u-net.com> wrote:
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates >> Marillion...
>> If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>> Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
>
>No It's just you, although the new Marillion ie after Fish departure, I
>must agree are total S***!
No, you're probably not the only one who "hates" Marillion, just as I'm
sure there are lots of people out there who "hate" Genesis.
I am a little surprised that someone who likes Genesis would be so
ill-disposed toward Marillion, as of course they do have their
similarities (maybe that's what you don't like?) but of course your
opinion is your own and is valid at least for you.
I will say that I think Marillion was and is brilliant, both with Fish
and with Steve Hogarth. The two periods are different, and I would only
under pressure say that it was marginally better with Fish. But "Brave"
is one of the best concept albums I have ever heard; it's mesmerizing.
And all three of their other albums with Hogarth, with a possible lull
with Holidays in Eden, are fantastic.
Regarding Chester on drums and Fish on vocals, I think that would be
terrific. We already know that Tony and Fish work well together, as
evidence by Tony's albums like "Still." The question is the status of
Fish's voice -- it has definitely lost it range in the past few years,
but is it still there enough to not be a limiting factor in the musical
expression? I hope so, but I'm just not sure.
--Daniel Baker
randy amasia
> dav...@generation.net (DAVE) writes:
> In article <4mkvh9$h...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>,
> pse...@nyc.pipeline.co says...
> >
> Marillion...
> >If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
> >Pedro Sette Camara e Silva>
>
> try listening to " Brave " any Genesis fan would like this
> concept album.
>>>>
I agree w/ a previous posting that said that some of Marillion's
post-Fish work is inconsistent, but speaking as one Genesis fan, I
whole-heartedly echo Dave's recommendation of "Brave" -- a truly
remarkable work. (IMHO, of course.)
- randy
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YES!! Must perpetuate non-Genesis thread!! :)
In a previous article, al...@march.u-net.com (Alan March) says:
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>>
>> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>> If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>
>No It's just you, although the new Marillion ie after Fish departure, I
>must agree are total S***!
>
S'pose I'd better defend the fort. It'd be interesting to know why
you think Marillion blows so badly, Pedro--especially if you'd heard
more than one album/song.
I say this cos pigeonholing Marillion into one style based on one album is
kinda dodgy. Like Genesis, with staff changes and band evolution,
they've changed soundsso many times that they hardly bear resemblance
to their original selves. They've been from hardcore prog to adult
contemporary to pop schlock to pseudo-alternative.
Personally, I prefer _Clutching At Straws_ to almost any Genesis album but
SEBtP. _Misplaced Childhood_ is also among my top 5. _Brave_ is superb,
too. On the other hand _Holidays In Eden_ would remind many of us of
WCD or _Both Sides (Left Me Snoring)_.
OK...enough non-Gen content for one post. :)
Mark
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"Do you go down gently and without a fight or do you take it
on the chin and beg for more?" - Fish, "Emporer's Song"
David Vincent Halpern
I think that everyone's problem here is that they think they hate
Marillion because they find fault with the comparisons to Genesis.
MARILLION IS NOT A GENESIS CLONE!!!!!
MARILLION IS NOT A GENESIS CLONE!!!!!
I admit that certain songs (like "Grendel," which reminds me of
"Supper's Ready" in some ways) have their "Genesis" like moments, but
hey, Wetton-era King Crimson sounds like Black Sabbath in some places,
and no one gives Fripp Hell about that!
So everyone needs to listen to Marillion as Marillion, not as a
Genesis-like band. If you don't like the band based on what they do,
more power to you. But if you don't like them because the descriptions
in terms of Genesis are "wrong," then you are sorely misguided, naive,
and narrow minded.
I love Marillion for what they do, and this includes *ALL*
periods. I never once understood why people kept labeling them Genesis
clones.
Steve Rothery (guitar) has a very distinctive tone, using a very
"produced" '80's sound (not the "phased" '70's sound Hackett used.
Ian Mosley (drums) has never been as "busy" behind the kit as
Phil ever was (though Ian is a great drummer to listen to),
Mark Kelley (keys) uses fast runs and heavy snyth, not the layers
of sound that Tony has been known to use. Even the soloing of the two
men is different (Mark is a much more "rock" kind of player).
Pete Trewavas (bass) lays a solid foundation that is strong, with
some moments of "jump," again not nearly as busy as Mike was.
Both Fish and Steve Hogarth don't have the raspy voice that Peter
has, nor the "thin" high end that Phil has. They are good in their own
right.
I love Marillion, I love Genesis, but they are different bands
for different times. Get that into your head, you "Marillion doesn't
sound a thing like Genesis so they must suck" afficionados. At least
you're right on one count, Marillion doesn't sound like Genesis. Now if
only you would start listening for the Marillion, instead of the Genesis,
in Marillion's music...
My two cents (one penny for Marillion and one for Genesis)...
David
Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems
David Vincent Halpern (dha...@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I think that everyone's problem here is that they think they hate
: Marillion because they find fault with the comparisons to Genesis.
I've never understood why they're compared to Genesis in the first
place. Some Scottish guy who can barely get words out around his
accent doesn't sound like Peter Gabriel, and their music is not
very similar other than a few superficialities. There's about
as much similarity as comparing Rush to Genesis.
Scott
Tiger Lily
On Tue, 7 May 1996, Gene Dellasala <dell...@eng.usf.edu> wrote...
"Holidays In Eden" came out, and for him, "No One Can" (the track you
quote from) summed up everything. Also "Dry Land". Two outstanding
tracks that mean so much - check the lyrics! (Compare them to the shite
ones on WCD!)
And what about Marillion songs (post-Fish ones too) such as "Easter",
"Afraid Of Sunlight" and "Made Again"? They totally piss over WCD and
recent solo PC. Here are a band *still in* their classic era - not yet
sold out, or run out of ideas!
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On Mon, 6 May 1996, "Kevin A. Douglas" <dou...@ap.stmarys.ca> wrote...
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>>
>> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>> If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>>
>> Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
>
>Actually I would really like to hear more of their stuff before I go on
>record as saying I Hate Marillion, but from what I've heard I don't know
>_Misplaced Childhood_ was a good starting point to learn about their
>music, so I bought it and when I took it home to listen to it, I was
>terribly disappointed. It was nothing like Genesis, and this Fish guy
>to an album for the first time I give it a bit of leeway but I was
>actually infuriated that I blew money on this stuff. As a result I am
>very leery of anything described as neo-progressive music. I hope
>someone can show me otherwise but I think overall Marillion is a bit of
>a letdown. I've heard other stuff but nothing really grabs my
>attention.
When I first heard "Tales From Topographic Oceans" (by YES) I couldnae
understand it. Took about 10 plays to get into!
When I first heard "The Lamb" (by GENESIS) I liked only the synth solos,
and it wasn't until later that I grew to love it.
When I first heard "Clutching At Straws" (by MARILLION), I was hugely
disappointed. I only liked "Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night".
Now I adore every second of every track.
When I first heard "Supper's Ready", it went in one ear and out the
other. Now I think it's their best ever recording.
The morale: some of the best music ever tends to be complex and
demanding. You can't write it off there and then. Christ, I even heard
of one guy who HATED "Going For The One" (by YES) despite being a huge
fan, when it first came out! (No, it wasn't me!)
Tiger Lily
On Mon, 6 May 1996, Alan March <al...@march.u-net.com> wrote...
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>>
>> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>> If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>> --
>>
>> Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
>
>must agree are total S***!
Sigh...............................
Tiger Lily
On Mon, 6 May 1996, Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems <softbase@mercury.i
nterpath.com> wrote...
>Pedro Sette Camara e Silva (pse...@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
>: I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>
>the Fish era). They do great songs, then follow through with long,
>rambling, pointless ones. Of course, like Tony Banks said, any
>group who has an album where you like 3-4 songs is outstanding,
>so I guess overall they're better than most.
Can't remember many "rambling, pointless" tracks on any Marillion
albums, except for Fugazi maybe. To me, they are VERY consistent.
Tiger Lily
On Wed, 8 May 1996, David Vincent Halpern <dha...@larry.cc.emory.edu>
wrote...
> I admit that certain songs (like "Grendel," which reminds me of
>"Supper's Ready" in some ways)
They were clearly influenced at that point - the "let the blood flow!"
part near the end of 'Grendel' is just like 'Supper's Ready' - or what?
(The pounding bass line.) Besides that though, I can't think of many
direct comparisons between Marillion and Genesis. Fish was more
influenced by "The Wall" (by Pink Floyd) and Jon Anderson (of Yes).
"I only saw Genesis once!" he said (or similar words). "Not much to
build a career on!"
HA Sinclair
Kevin A. Douglas (dou...@ap.stmarys.ca) wrote:
: Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
: >
: > I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
: > --
: >
: > Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
: Sign Me Up!
: Actually I would really like to hear more of their stuff before I go on
: record as saying I Hate Marillion, but from what I've heard I don't know
: if I want to. From a thread on some newsgroup someone mentioned that
: _Misplaced Childhood_ was a good starting point.
Wrong starting point I'm afraid. I'm a Genesis fan and have recently
bought the box set of Marillion's first three albums. Although none are
exactly like Genesis the first two are more remeniscent of their style.
Scrtipt for a Jester's tear is brilliant and Fugazi is fantastic. If you
think Fish sounded like his dog had died on misplaced on Fugazi he sings
asthough his whole world's fallen apart and his vocals are very
Hammillesque (Like Peter Hammill of VdGG). I think if you listen to She
Chameleon on Fugazi and He Knows You Know on Script you'll get more of a feel for the band and for
the music. I hope this helps you to change your mind or at least have a
broader outlook on the band and music in general.
Howard hs5...@bristol.ac.uk
"She crucified my heart deep in a satin grave" (She Chameleon)
David Vincent Halpern
Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems (soft...@mercury.interpath.com) wrote:
:
: I've never understood why they're compared to Genesis in the first
: place. Some Scottish guy who can barely get words out around his
: accent doesn't sound like Peter Gabriel, and their music is not
: very similar other than a few superficialities. There's about
: as much similarity as comparing Rush to Genesis.
:
: Scott
Well, I wouldn't bash Fish, but your point is well-taken. I
never really understood the comparisons, either.
David
Michael Nichols
Daniel Baker wrote:
>
> Alan March <al...@march.u-net.com> wrote:
> >Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
> >> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates >> Marillion...
> >> If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
>
> >> Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
>
> Regarding Chester on drums and Fish on vocals, I think that would be
> terrific. We already know that Tony and Fish work well together, as
> evidence by Tony's albums like "Still." The question is the status of
> Fish's voice -- it has definitely lost it range in the past few years,
> but is it still there enough to not be a limiting factor in the musical
> expression? I hope so, but I'm just not sure.
Addressing the issue of Fishs' vocal problems as of late, Does anyone remember the
difficulties that Phil has had with HIS voice over the last decade? I seem to remember
tour dates being postponed or outright cancelled due to Phil's voice giving out. Fish at
least does acknowledge the fact that partying isn't good for the voice on tour.
If there's ANY question as to whether Fish can sing live, pick up any of the live CD's
that are available.
PS: Pedro, It isn't just you. But we can't ALL be tone-deaf.;-)
Martin Holroyd
Well, both Fish and Marillion have gone downhill when they went their
seperate ways, but neither have turned into a middle of the road pop
band like Genesis.
Martin
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LiveBrain
Kinda sounds like Fish slept with that guy Pedro's wife or something. His
heatred borders on vendetta.
As for good starting points, Clutching At Straws isn't a bad place to
start. Not too much o digest at one siting (Childhood), not too weird
(Fugazi - although excellent), and not too young (Script). If you're
game, you ought to check it out.
LiveBrain
As for the Genesis comparisons, its been going on since Marillion played I
Know What I Like once (once!) live, and tried to record it. Also, the
ending to Grendel (the 17 minute flip to their first single) has a section
that is almost note for note 'Apocalypse in 9/8' (although Mick Pointer
the drummer can't really play it!).
I always thought Marillion was more like Floyd, what with the
angst-ridden, self-hating lyrics and the screaming Gilmour-esque guitar
parts (Lavender?). Fish often said The Wall was once of his favorites
(it's on the back of Fugazi, too, if I'm not mistaken).
Charles Nolan
It IS just you, and I'm sorry that you think that way about MARILLION.
They are tallented and although they used GENESIS as a starting
point perhaps, they have evolved away from that sound. I think
MISPLACED is alright, but not as strong as SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S
TEAR. OF THE POST fish albums, try HOLLIDAYS IN EDEN, BRAVE(70 MIN
CONCEPT ALBUM!).
two other bands you may want to check are IQ and PENDRAGON>
They have been around as long as MARILLION, and each has a KEYBOARD
player equal to TONY BANKS in intensity. Martin Offord is the keys
man for IQ, and CLIVE NOLAN is the virtuoso with PENDRAGON. IQ's ever
is a stunning album like middle Genesis.
Jeff Blanks
In article <318E85...@ap.stmarys.ca>, "Kevin A. Douglas"
<dou...@ap.stmarys.ca> wrote:
> From a thread on some newsgroup someone mentioned that
> _Misplaced Childhood_ was a good starting point to learn about their
> music, so I bought it and when I took it home to listen to it, I was
> terribly disappointed. It was nothing like Genesis, and this Fish guy
> was singing like his dog just died or something. As a result I am
> very leery of anything described as neo-progressive music.
I can understand this, since Marillion seems to be the template for most
neo-prog. My experience with them is much like yours, though I wouldn't
say I was infuriated by my purchases (_Script_ and _Misplaced_; I was also
able to come by a promo of _Brave_, IMHO their best album). I think the
band's _sound_ is fine, but their syntax (their chord progressions, phrase
lengths, etc.) generally leaves a lot to be desired. Someone once
described them as a bunch of traditional rock players who really liked
prog (especially Genesis) and had just enough musicianship to write
_some_music_ in that sort of standardized non-style associated with
beginning rockers, though they were able to write in larger forms and do
simplified versions of The Proggy Moves. The fact that they don't really
sound like Genesis shouldn't be held against them, of course; the problem
is that Marillion, to me, just don't quite seem as _musically_substantial_
as Genesis.
> I hope
> someone can show me otherwise but I think overall Marillion is a bit of
> a letdown. I've heard other stuff but nothing really grabs my
> attention.
Have you heard echolyn? Or Dream Theater, if you're into '80s-style metal
and hard rock?
VFrnknstin
Has anyone heard their new live album? Is it any good?
Michael Nichols
On the covers of Marillions first two albums there are covers for a number of prog
records. "Script" had Pink Floyd's Saucerful Of Secrets, Bill Nelson's Do You Dream In
Colour single, And the cover for the Market Square Heroes single.
"Fugazi" had Peter Hammill's Fool's Mate & Over as well as Floyd's The Wall.
Fish stated in an interview for NME in 1982 that he felt Floyd's Final Cut was a
masterpiece. (On this fact I agree, however, It should come with free therapy sessions
afterward.;-))
Michael Nichols
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva wrote:
>
> exist.
> --
>
> Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
YO PEDRO, BLOW ME!!! Are you tone-deaf or just an asshole?
Pedro Sette Camara e Silva
Ok, I started this thread, so let me just answer some questions that
came along.
As I am sure you know, I really don't like Marillion(actually, that's
an euphemism). I only asked you bluntly what were your feelings because I
had this feeling that most Genesis fans would share my feelings towards
Fish & Co, but since I started subscribing to the group I saw that my
expectations should be wrong. I was so amazed that Marillion was so
liked(or at least respected) that I had this curiosity to ask you. It
really turned out that only I and one(one!) other guy hated Marillion, so
yes, I guess we are pretty alone in here, and I was very, very wrong. You
like them... It IS basically just me! :-)
Some people asked me why I don't like them. Well, I can only tell you
briefly my experience. Once I bought "Misplaced Childhood" to listen and I
slept before the first side finished. The second time I tried to listen I
simply found it really bad, really redundant(and, by the way, I am not a
great prog fan, in the sense that I can't stand those - if you'll excuse me
- symphonic masturbations like Yes's "Tales from Topographic Oceans", with
all that glow of "profoundity". That was another album I could not listen
to until the end). Do you know how it feels when you listen to something
and you just feel it really bad, without explanations, without premises?
Clearly bad as an axiom is clear? I mean, "a straight line is the shortest
way between two points" and "Marillion is bad" are statements I rank in the
same level.
Now, don't flame me for that, don't waste your energies. I am pretty
sure there is some band out there who you think is really bad. In my case,
it's Marillion. And, moreover, you asked me WHY I didn't like them what was
my problem, so...
(Unless, of course - this is for you, Monsieur Nichols - you feel
really powerful with a keyboard and a mouse and likes to go around the
Internet bullying other people. But don't worry, Mr. Nichols; you're
average, just part of the scenery, this is what the Net unfortunately is.)
Well, to wrap it up I just want to say that since you love Marillion,
perhaps you should give the thread a new title...
And, once again, thanks for letting me know that it is just me! :-)
Ghost
> I just keep wondering whether I am the only one who hates Marillion...
>If there's anyone else, we can start a thread to bash the band. :-)
This is one of the lamest posts I've ever seen. You don't like
Marilion...fine. Shut up and don't start problems. There's enough filler on
these newsgroups in the first place.
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C. Currie
LiveBrain <live...@aol.com> wrote:
>As for the Genesis comparisons, its been going on since Marillion played I
>Know What I Like once (once!) live, and tried to record it. Also, the
>ending to Grendel (the 17 minute flip to their first single) has a section
>that is almost note for note 'Apocalypse in 9/8' (although Mick Pointer
>the drummer can't really play it!).
... and it was produced by David Hitchcock in the same studios that
Genesis recorded SR (which might explain the similarities somewhat).
The Christopher Currie
Michael Nichols
VFrnknstin wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard their new live album? Is it any good?
Yes, it's called Made Again and it contains material from the last three tours. The live
version of Brave blows the studio version away IMHO.