(a.m.y.-OT) Bony Tanks
progea
thereby makes useful observations, and also for reasons that were
discussed when there was a crosspost about Phil's back condition:
Mike Smith
Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does someone need money, perhaps?
--
Mike Smith
Mark Rae
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>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/music_nm/us_genesis
>
> Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road. Does
> someone need money, perhaps?
Tony *certainly* doesn't!
Steve, however...
Chuck
> Hm. �Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
> Does someone need money, perhaps?
>
> --
> Mike Smith
The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
very well off - in the scheme of legendary rockers, perhaps only a
couple of million in assets *is* "short of cash". They must have made
some great contractual decisions back in the 70's re: back sales, etc.
Reunion - aint gonna happen, even if Phil was / is OK. PG just has
something against it.
CB
Angels never know its time, to close the book and gracefully decline"
rob...@aol.com
> "Mike Smith" <smit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.
Rob Allen
NP: Marillion, "Garden Party"
Mark Rae
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>>> Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
>>> Does
>>> someone need money, perhaps?
>>
>> Tony *certainly* doesn't!
>>
>> Steve, however...
>
> with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
> sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.
Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
examining...
> NP: Marillion, "Garden Party"
Jesus Christ! Why, for God's sake? Why?
Relayer
Well, for those of us that remember the breakup, it wasn't all that
happy.
rob...@aol.com
> <robm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:53468b83-72f1-4e80...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
> >>> Does
> >>> someone need money, perhaps?
>
> >> Tony *certainly* doesn't!
>
> >> Steve, however...
>
> > with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
> > sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.
>
> Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
> great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
> examining...
it would be a *very* short examination...maybe just a drive-by.
Chuckles is *obviously* moron and any good head doctor would spot that
at a glance.
> > NP: �Marillion, "Garden Party"
>
> Jesus Christ! Why, for God's sake? Why?
lessee...I like Marillion, love that song...and it just happened to be
come up on the shuffle as I was doing that post.
Rob Allen
NP: Natalie Merchant, "Wonder"
Chuck
> Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
> great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
> examining...
It was solely based on comments over the years from multiple members
about steady income from "back sales" of records. I'm sure they have
all made wise and unwise financial moves. Steve's corporate agreement
back when with his now ex-wife has come back to burn him financially,
and thus was obviously not a wise "contractual decision".
Didn't John Mayhew received 160K just for drumming on the esoteric
'Tresspass' when he finally came out of hiding and before his
passing?
Roger Waters has said that members of PF were paid a flat fee for
DSoTM and never a dime more. Considering it is one of the biggest
selling records in rock history, in retrospect.... *that* was a bad
contractual decision! Genesis may very well have made similar mistakes
with contracts.
CB
"Does earth plug a hole in heaven, or heaven plug a hole in earth?"
Chuck
> Well, for those of us that remember the breakup, it wasn't all that
> happy.-
Steve's or PG's departure? Steve's was definitely the harsher of the
two exits, IMO. Seem's Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input. I'm a huge PG fan, but the quality of material really
dropped post Steve, IMO... whereas post PG, they still made two great
records (three if you include 'Seconds Out').
CB
"I will make my bed with her tonight, he cried"
Mark Rae
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> [Seem's] Seems Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
> material input.
Again, that is completely incorrect. By the time the band reconvened to work
on ATotT, Tony was crying out for contributions from the others. He
considered that the first post-PG album was absolutely make or break - if it
wasn't at least a critical success, then it really would have been curtains
for the band. They were already seriously in debt to Charisma at the time,
and even Strat's patience was wearing thin, not to mention his pockets...
Tony complained that he'd spent the last six months writing for the new
album while the others had been "swanning off" working on Steve's solo
album.
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...
Chuck
> So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
> Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
> because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
> last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...
It's been a very long time since I've read Armando Gallo's book
'IKWIL'.
"Steve had witten a lot of material for Wind and Wuthering and he felt
that most of it wasn't used, or what was used was underused." p 107.
Having remembered a statement like that, I had thought Tony was the
primary block in the use of more of his material. Thnx for the
clarification. I am not a huge fan of 'Please Don't Touch', so perhaps
Phils intuition in this case was correct.
CB
"It's the last time you'll look like today"
rob...@aol.com
<snort>
classic moron...Chuckles doesn't like it, so Phil might have been
right.
Will this guy *ever* realize himself?
Rob Allen
NP: Mike Rutherford, "Acting Very Strange"
Mark Rae
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> Will this guy *ever* realize himself?
Unlikely. He probably thinks that Steve and Tony really did hate each
other...
Chuck
> He probably thinks that Steve and Tony really did hate each
> other...
Nope, never been even a thread of "hate" between the members of
Genesis, IMO... then or now. They all seem quite close even after 40
years - many bands can not claim as much. Pink Floyd comes to mind -
Roger Waters and David Gilmour... now *that* sadly is an example of
muscians that "hate" each other.
CB
"If this were the last day of your life my friend, tell me what do you
think you would do then"?
Steve Turner
I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never done anything for
me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life* had he been able to "get into it".
That said, it doesn't really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.
--
Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
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Chuck
>> notably "Please Don't
> > Touch", because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that
> > really was the last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...
>
> I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never done anything for
> me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life* had he been able to "get into it".
> That said, it doesn't really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. �It just doesn't fit somehow.
I have always wished that some of the stronger material from 'Voyage
of the Acolyte' became Genesis music... would have been interesting to
hear it with Tony's input.
CB
Mark Rae
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> I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never
> done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life*
> had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't really strike me
> as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.
The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...
Steve Turner
Yeah, I'd like to hear that.
--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
Mark Rae
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>>> I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never
>>> done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life*
>>> had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't really strike
>>> me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.
>>
>> The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...
>
> Yeah, I'd like to hear that.
Available in the usual places from the usual traders...
Steve Turner
And as usual, I'm in the dark regarding all that... :-)
--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
Mark Rae
>> Available in the usual places from the usual traders...
>
> And as usual, I'm in the dark regarding all that... :-)
Steve Turner
You really enjoy being a smartass, don't you? :-)
You've mentioned Genesis boots in the past, but in such a way as to imply that said traders
were not operating "out in the open", and I just presumed that you knew of some sources I
wouldn't expect to find by searching on Google.
--
A. Because it makes the discussion harder to read.
Q. Why should I not top-post?
progea
Strange enough, then, how "Blood on the Rooftops" is credited to
Hackett/Collins. I guess Phil's is just the chorus, which, of course,
is not the strongest part of that song.
Chuck
> Strange enough, then, how "Blood on the Rooftops" is credited to
> Hackett/Collins. I guess Phil's is just the chorus, which, of course,
> is not the strongest part of that song.- Hide quoted text -
Perhaps my favorite track on the record. Phil was not (obviously)
against all of Steve's material. Speaking of that period; "A lot of
Steve's stuff was great...<however> some material has to wait for its
time.. Steve could have been more elastic... he should have just done
another solo album, and get his writing frustrations out that way" -
Phil Collins. 'IKWIL' p.107.
I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
record.
CB
"Staying up late to watch some debate on some nations fate"
progea
> I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
> was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
> record.
With him still around, not only it would have had a different title
but also it would have been a better album. "Burning Rope" probably
comes closest to Hackettlessly mimicking a Genesis-with-Hackett-still-
in song/album. Post-Hackett Genesis material is not bad but is not on
par with the pre-'77 material.
Chuck
> On Oct 1, 3:49�pm, Chuck <ShorThi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
> > was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
> > record.
>
> With him still around, not only it would have had a different title
> but also it would have been a better album. "Burning Rope" probably
> comes closest to Hackettlessly mimicking a Genesis-with-Hackett-still-
> in song/album.
BR was exactly the song that stood out the most to me as well. His
guitar sound would have enhanced that song nicely.
Good call and cheers!
CB
"Don't live today for tomorrow like, you were immortal"
Godolphin&fellow
> On Sep 29, 9:28 am, Mike Smith <smit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
> > Does someone need money, perhaps?
>
> > --
> > Mike Smith
>
> The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
> is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
Must have surprised a few members when Steve's first solo albums
charted as well as they did! If VotA had sunk without a blip he might
have lacked the courage to abandon the mothership. Wonder if he would
have been able to forestall the move toward pop...
Mark Rae
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>> The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
>> is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
>> very well off - ...
>
> Must have surprised a few members when Steve's first solo albums
> charted as well as they did!
Only Defector made it into the Top 10. Cured and Highly Strung made the Top
20:
Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
Please Don't Touch, 38
Spectral Mornings, 22
Defector, 9
Cured, 15
Highly Strung, 16
Bay of Kings, 70
Till We Have Faces, 54
None of the others even made the top 75...
Chuck
> Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
> Please Don't Touch, 38
> Spectral Mornings, 22
> Defector, 9
> Cured, 15
> Highly Strung, 16
> Bay of Kings, 70
> Till We Have Faces, 54
>
> None of the others even made the top 75...
I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?
Thnx
CB
Mark Rae
> I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
> 2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
> on that work?
I quite like it, and its predecessor Darktown. There are parts of it which
would not have sounded out of place on Voyage of the Acolyte or Spectral
Mornings.
Roger King is a great keyboard player but, IMO, he's not in the same class
as Nick Magnus.
It's only a few quid from Amazon - how bad could it be...?
Chuck
> > I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
> > 2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
> > on that work?
>
> I quite like it, and its predecessor Darktown. There are parts of it which
> would not have sounded out of place on Voyage of the Acolyte or Spectral
> Mornings.
I like VotA and SM's, so I'm going to pick it up!
Thanx again
CB
running dog
On 6-Oct-2009, Chuck <ShorT...@aol.com> wrote:
> I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
> 2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
> on that work?
> Thnx
It's a great cd, I bought the version with the extra tracks and the little
book that goes with it. If you're a Hackett fan you won't be disappointed.
The Darktown cd is even better, the song about driving in the rain is a
great song, so is Rise Again, and In Memoriam.
And the overture kicks ass
Mike Smith
>
> Only Defector made it into the Top 10. Cured and Highly Strung made the
> Top 20:
>
> Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
> Please Don't Touch, 38
> Spectral Mornings, 22
> Defector, 9
> Cured, 15
> Highly Strung, 16
> Bay of Kings, 70
> Till We Have Faces, 54
>
> None of the others even made the top 75...
I dunno, for a non-frontman of a not-very-pop band going solo, that
looks like a pretty good track record to me! Imagine if Howe or Squire
had a chart history like that...
--
Mike Smith
Godolphin&fellow
Then there's 'Metamorpheus', which is Steve on only classical guitar
accompanied by a 'small orchestra,' giving a lucid (along with the
notes) depiction of the Orpheus myth. It garnered "Classical
Recording of the Month" in some magazine (not sure which)... a much
better reception it seems than Tony Banks "Seven". It's among my
personal favorites of the last few years.
After that came 'Wild Orchids', which does seem a small step down from
his last several releases. ... As far as his last two, I haven't heard
at all... seems they are only available 'state side' as expensive
imports. Why the change after all?