HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOMMY BOLIN
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Nond...@n.dum
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>I thought he was born April 18th
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Any day is fine to remember the man ..
There's Tommy
.. and there's DP ...
DP as a great rock band ...
Tommy asa great individual musician
Hey... DP is the best band IMHO..
But individually... talkin' about beïn' unique ...
Tommy Lives
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Gord Jantzen
Tommy Bolin was born August 1, 1951. Sioux City, Iowa. Saw ELVIS play
live when he was a kid and the rest is history. His nickname was the
"The Kid". When he played in DP the HIWATT had the nickname on the
amps. His best playing live with Deep Purple was most the USA tour and
Australia(Best version of Wild Dogs I've heard). The "This Time Around
Release" should highlight the MK 4 material off of CTTB. I don't think
the MKII tunes will change much. Invented the Front ROW Dead Poets
Society -- and gave out Blackmore Call Cards in the front row -- but ran
into trouble in England when he ran out of Blackmore Cards. Infamous for
being able to play despite the odds. Some nights he was -- as one
keyboardist quipped "sublime"; other nights were nothing short of
disappointing. But then what's life without some drama .... and
chemistry.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
The short unhappy life in Deep Purple of Tommy Bolin, Smokin Guitarist
and Rock and Roll Casualty.
When Ritchie Blackmore quit Deep Purple in April 1975, it almost
certainly meant the band was kaput. Blackmore had almost
single-handedly defined the Deep Purple sound, and any substitute
guitarist would have been deemed an insult to both the band and its
fans.
But practically by a stroke of luck, Deep Purple did find a guitarist
whose brilliant style would make Blackmore's absence a lot easier to
handle for the band's fans. A relative newcomer to the rock scene,
Tommy Bolin was best known as a member of the James Gang. But it was
his playing on Billy Cobham's Spectrum that opened the door to Deep
Purple.
"When Ritchie left, I wanted to discontinue the band," says Jon Lord.
"But one day, David Coverdale showed up at my house in Malibu with two
bottles of wine and, with great eloquence, persuaded me to carry on. I
felt that Ritchie was the heart and soul of the band, and I wasn't ready
to back down from my decision. But then David said, 'I want you to hear
something,' and he played the Spectrum album. I was blown away and
utterly entranced by this guitar player."
A Deep Purple roadie tracked down Bolin, who was also living in Malibu,
and invited him to audition for the band. "This glorious young man
walked in with red and green hair and this beautiful wide, friendly
grin," recalls Lord. "on his arm he had this stunning woman who was
wearing one of those crocheted dresses and absolutely nothing
underneath. Tommy plugged in, we jammed , and boy was it good! This
guy could really play. But it was a totally different style of playing
from Ritchie. It was untutored. His technical ability came from
within. But he was like the little girl with the curls: when he was
good he was very, very good, but when he was bad he was horrid."
Bolin recorded only one studio album with Deep Purple, Come Taste The
Band. While Come Taste The Band fully displayed Bolin's impressive
playing the album received a lukewarm reception from fans. Things were
even worse when the band went on tour in support of the album. "We did
this disastrous Far Eastern tour," says Lord. "I discovered that Tommy
had a rather serious drug problem, and, probably as a result of that,
something had happened to him. I'll never know what it was, but it
caused him great difficulty in playing . Then one of our trusted
helpers, Patsy, was murdered in Jakarta, Indonesia. It appeared that he
had fallen down an elevator shaft, but we knew that he was murdered. We
did two nights in Jakarta where, so we were informed, we would be
playing to about 20 to 25 thousand people a night. But the first night
we played to about 90,000 people; the next night we played to over
100,000. It was after that first night that Patsy was murdered. The
promoter never paid us. He took all the money and had us deported. He
had our tour manager, one of the roadies and our bassist, Glenn Hughes,
locked up on suspicion of murder."
After that disaster, Deep Purple returned to America for a tour that
went much more smoothly. "Tommy seemed to be able to cope with all the
problems he had when he was on home ground," says Lord. "On occasions
he played absolutely sublimely. But then we went to Europe and he didn't
do so well? By the time we reached the U.K. he completely lost it. It
was not entirely his fault. There was some opposition from the British
fans to seeing their favorite British group with an American guitarist.
He won them over on a couple of nights, but usually he ended up shouting
at the fans. On the last concert of that particular run, in Liverpool,
Ian Paice and I met backstage and decided to quit the band. About 10
minutes later, David Coverdale came into my dressing room and told me
that he was leaving. I informed him that there was no band to leave.
It was a rather ignominious end to what had been a wonderful few years."
Although the breakup of the band had seemed inevitable for some time,
Bolin felt guilty about the events that led to its demise.
Fortunately, he had a burgeoning solo career to focus on, and with the
albums Teaser and Private Eyes he was finally starting to gain
recognition for his own efforts, without any excess baggage from his
former bands. Unfortunately, his moment of recovery was extremely
short-lived. After playing a show with Jeff Beck in Miami, Florida,
Bolin died from a drug overdose. He was only 25 years old.
"I was 3,000 miles away, sitting in a restaurant, when the news came on
the radio that Tommy had died," says Lord. "I was devastated, although
I must admit that I was not surprised. That was the path he had
chosen. I had never seen anybody do to themselves what Tommy did to
himself. I just wish he had someone around him who would have held his
hand. Sometimes I feel guilty that we didn't do more. But I'm not sure
what we could have done."
Even Ritchie Blackmore was touched by the news, and that night while
playing a show with Rainbow in Japan, he dedicated a song to the late
guitarist. "I don't envy Tommy Bolin for trying to take my place in
Purple," says Blackmore today. "He was a uniquely talented player and
it's unfortunate that he never had the chance to develop with the band
the way that I did. His death was an incredible loss, not only for Deep
Purple but for guitar fans as well."
Gord Jantzen
Tommy Bolin 1951 - 1976
Tommy Bolin may best be remembered as the guitarist who replaced Ritchie
Blackmore in Deep Purple during the Seventies. But while this
accomplishment alone would guarantee him a small footnote in rock
history, he remains revered today for his blazing Stratocaster playing
in a wide variety of Jazz-fusion and hard rock contexts.
Bolin had recorded tow marginally successful albums with the Boulder,
Colorado-based band Zephyr during the late Sixties and early Seventies,
but he first came to public prominence when he appeared on the James
Gang's Bang and Billy Cobham's Spectrum albums in 1973. These two
efforts, released within a few months of each other, couldn't be more
different - Bang is rough-and-tumble funky boogie rock while Spectrum is
a sophisticated, ambitious jazz-rock fusion effort. What both albums
shared was Bolin's razor-sharp, rapid-fire guitar playing.
Here was America's answer to Jeff Beck, John McLaughlin, Jimmy Page and
Ritchie Blackmore, all brought together in the persona of a skinny,
pouty 22-year old who looked like a natural-born rock god. Bolin
recorded one more album with James Gang, Miami, before quitting the
band in October, 1974 He worked as a session player, recording albums
with Dr. John and Alphonse Mouzon, but a few months later he was
approached by Deep Purple, who wanted him to replace Ritchie Blackmore,
who quit the band in April, 1975.
Bolin's decision to join Deep Purple was Bittersweet - the move
instantly thrust him into the limelight of celebrity, but he faced the
opposition of die-hard Blackmore fans and the challenge of propping up a
band that was obviously on its last legs. Bolin recorded only one
studio album with Deep Purple, Come Taste The Band(1975), before they
broke up. He had started work on his first solo album, Teaser (1975),
shortly after he joined Deep Purple, and this l, along with his
follow-up, Private Eyes (1976), are perhaps the best examples of his
work. Touring with the Tommy Bolin Band as a support act for guitar
greats like Robin Trower and Jeff Beck, Bolin finally found himself in
front of an accepting audience. A triumphant appearance in Miami
opening for Beck was, unfortunately, to be his last. Bolin died the
following day, December 4, 1976, from an overdose after indulging in a
drug binge. Only 25 years old, Bolin was buried in his hometown of
Sioux City, Iowa. His girlfriend placed on his finger a ring that
allegedly had been on Jimi Hendrix's hand when he died.
WereoBoy
I'm surprised to learn he was only 25 when he died. Anyway I was at the Come
Taste The Band Show in Radio City Music Hall in New York, if this is any help.
Not that it matters for this, but I also saw The Beatles in Forest Hills Tennis
Stadium on August 28th, 1964.
Cheers
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>Invented the Front ROW Dead Poets
>Society -- and gave out Blackmore Call Cards in the front row -- but ran
>into trouble in England when he ran out of Blackmore Cards.
Please explain.
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Nond...@n.dum
<gjan...@axionet.com> wrote:
>Gord Wrote:
>
>Tommy Bolin was born August 1, 1951. Sioux City, Iowa. Saw ELVIS play
>live when he was a kid and the rest is history. His nickname was the
>"The Kid". When he played in DP the HIWATT had the nickname on the
>amps.
nice side-info. thnx
Nond...@n.dum
>Unfortunately, his moment of recovery was extremely
>short-lived. After playing a show with Jeff Beck in Miami, Florida,
>Bolin died
I don't have aver heard of this concert...
Is it recorded?
Carl (Brussels)
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> The End Page...Guitar World, Chris Gill, May 1999, Page 206.
Thanx for all the info Gord
If you listen to the wind you can still hear him play (Paul Rodgers)
Larry
Gord Jantzen
Bolin used to joke about handing out Blackmore Business Card for the few
or many -- depending on what Country he was playing in -- fans that
complained about Bolin not being Blackmore.
Ciao,
Gord
WereoBoy
>Timmytimmytimmy
Timmy here, how can I help you?
NigelYoung
>WOW,.. (blown away)
>
>>Unfortunately, his moment of recovery was extremely
>>short-lived. After playing a show with Jeff Beck in Miami, Florida,
>>Bolin died
>
>I don't have aver heard of this concert...
>Is it recorded?
Yes, unofficially, though don't expect to hear Jeff Beck too, the Bolin band
were the support act, Beck the headliner.
Nigel
S-v-a-n-t-e
>Gord Wrote:
>
>Bolin used to joke about handing out Blackmore Business Card for the few
>or many -- depending on what Country he was playing in -- fans that
>complained about Bolin not being Blackmore.
Cool! Funny! He should have done that!
MikeY
overdose?? Oh well..... if TB was still here, I would say happy b-day! But
since he ain't....life goes on. Now pass me the Post Toasties!
MikeY
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MikeY
<gjan...@axionet.com> wrote:
>
> "When Ritchie left, I wanted to discontinue the band," says Jon Lord.
> "But one day, David Coverdale showed up at my house in Malibu with two
> bottles of wine and, with great eloquence, persuaded me to carry on.
Yea...something like, "You know Jon old boy, we can still milk this DP
thing for another year or two if we play the cards right. What do ya say?
Oh yea....Glenn has invited us over to meet his new girlfriend...Oh You
already met her!"
"
> Even Ritchie Blackmore was touched by the news, "He was a uniquely
talented player and
> it's unfortunate that he never had the chance to develop with the band
> the way that I did. His death was an incredible loss, not only for Deep
> Purple but for guitar fans as well."
I think he went as far as he could have gone with DP. Unless DP changed styles.
MikeY
> WOW,.. (blown away)
>
> >Unfortunately, his moment of recovery was extremely
> >short-lived. After playing a show with Jeff Beck in Miami, Florida,
> >Bolin died
>
> I don't have aver heard of this concert...
> Is it recorded?
>
I have not heard it, but I heard a show at the Cleveland Agora and it was
horrible. TB was so whacked he could barely stand and was slurring his
words. i was realy sad to see it. He was a great player in his own
element.
Headsoundmixer
>
>Timmy here, how can I help you?
>
>Scott
He is talking about the cartoon character Timmy from South Park.
dougal
> The End Page…..Guitar World, Chris Gill, May 1999, Page 206.
>
> Tommy Bolin 1951 - 1976
> greats like Robin Trower and Jeff Beck, Bolin finally found himself in
> front of an accepting audience. A triumphant appearance in Miami
> opening for Beck was, unfortunately, to be his last. Bolin died the
> following day, December 4, 1976, from an overdose after indulging in a
> drug binge. Only 25 years old, Bolin was buried in his hometown of
> Sioux City, Iowa.
I have to pass along my Bolin story, for what it's worth. I saw him
play in Davenport, Iowa on Nov. 19, 1976. He opened for, and I swear
this is true, the Pure Prarie League! I remember thinking to myself
that he looked incredibly f*cked up on stage, but he still sounded
great. Does anyone know who his touring band consisted of?
Another sidelight...remember Don Kirschner's Rock Concert, a concert
show on syndicated tv in the early 70s? He appeared with the James
Gang. I taped the show on cassette and I still listen to it just to
hear the amazing version of Funk 49. The thing I recall about Bolin
was that he had a reel-to-reel tape recorder on a stool next to him
which I guess he used for echo effects.
To Bolin's credit, he replaced two great guitar players and kept each
band fresh and exciting. And from me, being in recovery myself, please
get help if you have a drug problem. You can beat addiction. Writing
liturgies to the dead is no fun at all.
dougal
D. P. Roberts
Yeah, I was looking at some recent guitar magazine that had all the
dead guitar heroes. Seems like the average age of death was about 9.
Mostly drugs and vehicle accidents.
D. P. Roberts
>or many -- depending on what Country he was playing in -- fans that
>complained about Bolin not being Blackmore.
Someone has to scan one in for us! Also one of the Milburn Drysdale
dollar bills, too.
Gord Jantzen
The Davenport show review is posted at the backend of the "1976 -- The
Turbulent Year" at the tbolin.com site. He was in no condition to
barely stand that night -- yet according to the reviewer -- he played a
amazing set. (Apparantly before the show it got really messy back
stage.) The point of the review was to show that just "how far his life
had gotten out of hand." Really sad. Despite all of this, he managed to
get up and try and redeeming himself for the run in he had that night.
Great performance delivered .... but the personnal price of fame cost
him dearly. Things happened to quick for him.
I've got the James Gang with Bolin on VHS -- and yes, Bolin is
amazing. Funk49 ... is a cool version. Which just goes to show, given
the time with a piece of music, he made it into something special. Best
songs off that VHS are as follows: Standing in the Rain and Ride the
Wind.
Otherwise, as for writing liturgies to the dead.... It's done often to
pay homage to musicians of all sorts. Fans of Bach, Beethoven, Hendrix,
Bolin, Chapin, Joplin, Gershwin, Berlin, etc. The list is endless.....
For instance, Universities have credit courses on Bach or Hendrix. The
legacy of person can continue thru the music they left behind.
Substance abuse is a terrible thing. Folks that have this type of
problem should get help. I find it insulting that because I mention
Bolin, you've managed to fit in a knee jerk reaction at the end of your
reply. In back to the future, or even today -- Jon Lord's work is
studied at many European Universities -- I'm sure that trend won't
change after Jon departs this world. Similarly, Bolin left a guitar
legacy worthy of other musicians warranting the study of the musical
prints left behind. I'm merely trying to keep the vibe alive from a
musical perspective via mixed with some history and humour. I'm sure
there's lots of Bach and Hendrix University scholars that do the same
things. The difference is -- I don't get paid for it.
This all being said, Tommy Bolin doesn't make my current TOP 50 LIST of
Guitarist. So many great players from the past and present.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Gord Wrote:
Too funny. It's noted that Eric Clapton could have easily been part of
that company. I remember seeing the TV interview he did for Larry King
LIVE on CNN in the states. He talked at length about his battle and how
some other guitarist -- the fame thing would happen to fast. Which in
some cases, ruined the guitarist in the process.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
LOL :) Well, Mikey.... let's get it right? Jon knicked Glenn's
girfriend, which is now Jon's wife and Glenn knicked Tommy's girlfriend,
which was no big deal, really. Just watch the movie "Almost Famous" and
these folks lived in a different world. I think Blackmore should take
credit for enlisting Bolin into DP afterall Blackmore was the one that
introduced Coverdale to the Spectrum album.
David's reflection on MKIV for the www.davidcoverdale.com site. Great
site.
"There was a lot of disappointment for me. I think that was probably my
most overweight time, which is always an indication of me being unhappy.
I love Tommy and I just saw him hurt himself so much. It was very
strange for Tommy. He had an air of resentment about him. He was a
beautiful boy when I first met him. He'd replaced Joe Walsh in the James
Gang and he told me when he was playing with them, people were shouting
"Where's Joe Walsh?", and of course to replace the legendary Ritchie
Blackmore was an even bigger problem. He would hear all of the shouts
for Ritchie and it was sad. Once Ritchie left we had a meeting, in
Munich, and it was discussed that we should change the name, The Deeps,
Purple or Good Company, who knows, I think it would have been far more
appropriate to have changed the name. We could still have played the
music, or elements of the music, but I think it would have been much
more of a service to the legacy of Deep Purple. That's one of the
reasons I left. I had too much respect to drag the name down. I saw what
Purple meant to people and I still hear it now when I'm in Europe. I'm
always shocked that I'm still asked about Purple because it was such a
long time ago. The respect and love still continues, even with the
horrendous scraping of the barrel releases that I'm seeing currently. "
Of course, that being said, in the same interview I guess David's gives
some blame to himself when he says he was part of the CRAFT thingy:
Can't Remember a Fucking Thing. So one can't really fix the blame on
one person only. Indeed, it might be a bit shortsighted to do so.
Drinking is as much of a substance abuse problem as are drugs. Both can
be a bad thing and the band had both of those elements around.
Ciao,
Gord
Ciao,
Gord
MikeY
> Gord Wrote:
> Substance abuse is a terrible thing.
So is politically correctness.....
Folks that have this type of
> problem should get help. I find it insulting that because I mention
> Bolin, you've managed to fit in a knee jerk reaction at the end of your
> reply.
I saw noo knee jerk reaction in the reply you were replying to. The guiy
was no better than any other junkie. He was a guitar player. If he had
been any nameless guy on the street this discussion would not be happening
here. Being a "rock star" does not make any junkie better than any other
junkie. They make their choices and they live or die with them. Period.
MikeY
<gjan...@axionet.com> wrote:
> Gord Wrote:
>
> LOL :) Well, Mikey.... let's get it right? Jon knicked Glenn's
> girfriend, which is now Jon's wife and Glenn knicked Tommy's girlfriend,
> which was no big deal, really.
Frankly I could care less what old TOMATO dioes dor did. He just sure gets
his Geritol boiling whenever it is brought up (when he use to hang here).
Just watch the movie "Almost Famous" and
> these folks lived in a different world.
It was a movie Gord.... there is a difference between real life and a
movie bro! I saw that movie btw and thought it was pretty tame to what
really goes on. It also got a bit boring after a while. I was expecting
more out of it. More of what I am not sure, but it lacked something.
I think Blackmore should take
> credit for enlisting Bolin into DP afterall Blackmore was the one that
> introduced Coverdale to the Spectrum album.
Blackmore had nothing to do with it. Covergirl made the nomination. I am
sure RB could have cared less what they did after he left the band. All I
know is the music suffered for the most part, although there were a few
small brief moments of good msic there. Just not live.
Gord Jantzen
Sorry MikeY, That's for me to decide -- not you. Afterall, he was
addressing it to me. No ones trying to be politically correct here.
Bolin never got the chance to make some changes in his life -- yet you
seem to take every opprotunity to make point everytime his name come up
on this board. What about the rest of the Rock world that had substance
abuse problems. Eric Clapton had the same problem Bolin had. And for
the public record Jon Lord had a substance abuse problem -- booze. Just
as bad as any drug going around. The list is endless.
It's a matter of public record that Jon knicked Glenn's wife, I merely
mentioned it on this board. Please get off your high horse and take a
break. It's folks like U who luv to talk down to people like me. Go
get your kicks elsewhere.
Regards,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
You've got to be kidding. You must be sheltered or something.
Coverdale wouldn't know what the album Spectrum was on his own. It's
more than likely that Coverdale found out about Bolin's work Spectrum
appearance thru Blackmore, who was a fan of the Spectrum album. But
it's really diffcult to confirm especially when folks like Coverdale
don't visit this little village.
As for judging Rock Stars with such a hard edge. Give it a break. Most
of them have had problems with it -- they just don't talk about it. So
if you're going to be harse on Bolin's habits? Why not Jon's. Why not
Eric Clapton's habits? Why not FILL IN THE BLANK. You truly show your
lack of scope on this topic. Treatment back in the mid 70's wasn't
talked about much.
If you every had the time it's too bad I didn't tape the Clapton
interview for you because Clapton talks about this very thing: substance
abuse & the FAME game happening to quickly. It's almost a curse that
most most folks would have trouble handling.
As for Almost Famous, of course it was tame compared to the real life
stuff.
You're out to lunch about Blackmore not caring. He spent time down at
Pirate Studios with Rainbow and also according to Bolin -- watched the
new lineup play. Blackmore also spent some time over at Blackmore
place. These people hung out in the same crowd while in LA? Moon,
Beck, Bolin, Blackmore. Get your facts straight, only then can you get
phillipic.
Ciao,
Gord
Mi
Gord Jantzen
WRONG. Lawyers, Doctors, Engineers, Professionals of all types have
"substance abuse" problems. And it's a hard thing to face. Witness the
talented Robert Downney JR. problems of trying to get off of drugs.
It's a diffcult process whether you are RICH or Poor.
Show some scope here, MIKEY.
Regards,
Gord
MikeY
> Gord Wrote:
>
> Sorry MikeY, That's for me to decide -- not you. Afterall, he was
> addressing it to me.
It was posted here on a public forum.....
> No ones trying to be politically correct here.
Bull
> Bolin never got the chance to make some changes in his life
Yea. Right. Are you smokin crack Gord?? Everyday he had the chance. He
chose to go the drug route. Get with the program GordY.
-- yet you
> seem to take every opprotunity to make point everytime his name come up
> on this board. What about the rest of the Rock world that had substance
> abuse problems.
They were not part of the discussion. Also al I said was if Bolin was you
or me, there would be no dicsussion or pity for us and hust because
spmeone is famous they do not deserve any s[ecial treatment. Perhaps that
is the problem here. People tend to worship their heroes...... Franlky I
could care less if someone takes it upon themselves to take drugs. I did
it back in the 70's but I guess I was smart enough not to keep doing it.
Duh.....
>Please get off your high horse and take a
> break.
I do not ride a horse and I do not get high......
It's folks like U who luv to talk down to people like me. Go
> get your kicks elsewhere.
No it is just people like you that seem tpo have a hard time dealing with
reality and the fact that these people are no better than you or me.
MikeY
> Gord Wrote:
>
> You've got to be kidding. You must be sheltered or something.
Yea I live in a friggin cave.....
> Coverdale wouldn't know what the album Spectrum was on his own. It's
> more than likely that Coverdale found out about Bolin's work Spectrum
> appearance thru Blackmore
You again have no proof of that (not that it really matters). No go hit
the bong again.....
> As for judging Rock Stars with such a hard edge. Give it a break. Most
> of them have had problems with it --
> If you every had the time it's too bad I didn't tape the Clapton
> interview for you because Clapton talks about this very thing: substance
> abuse & the FAME game happening to quickly. It's almost a curse that
> most most folks would have trouble handling.
Yea..... weak personalities tend to rely on crutches. Keep making excuses
for them Gord. You are proving my point....
> You're out to lunch about Blackmore not caring.
No I just dont care!
Gord Jantzen
MikeY, You've truly shown your TRUE colors here and your lack of class.
This doesn't surprise me. Yes it's a public form but the original reply
was directed at me and I'm entitled to give my opinion. It's very
apparent that you don't like my views and feel it your duty to slam my
post. Understandable from a judgemental soul like you. You've managed
to totally derail what I had originally posted. Thx for being such a
great JERK. Folks like you have ruined a great newsgroup that this
place used to be. Have a good time at church, MIKEY.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
WRONG again. The public record shows that Blackmore did show interest
in what the new band was doing. He saw them practice as unit. (Bolin
talks about this in an Australian Radio Interview.) Blackmore also spent
time at Bolin place(This is in a interview up at the Deep-Purple.com
site.)
From the excerpt of the Daze Booklet: Page 8
Bolin himself was convinced that it had been Blackmore who'd put in the
good word for him, after meeting him not long after his audition. "It
was weird, cos he said 'I recommended you to the guys and I hear things
are going great.'
Although it may well have been Coverdale -- it might have been Blackmore
but nobody ever directly asked RB himself.
And If we could get the players together to ask the right questions --
we might be surprised at the result. There's somethings that remain
secret about what really went on.
BTW, my original post was alluding to the fact that dead musician are
studied at many University from Bach to Hendrix -- and that there's
nothing wrong with keeping the vibe of the music alive.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
That statement below about sums it up. Try slamming someone else ....
Ciao,
Gord
dougal
> Gord Wrote:
>
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>
> Otherwise, as for writing liturgies to the dead.... It's done often to
> pay homage to musicians of all sorts.
Yes, I know, that wasn't my point. When Stevie Ray Vaughn died, it was
an accident beyond his control. Call it fate or destiny or bad luck,
but it was a tragedy he had no part in making happen. When Bolin
overdosed, it was a tragedy that he brought upon himself, something
that didn't have to happen.
> Substance abuse is a terrible thing. Folks that have this type of
> problem should get help. I find it insulting that because I mention
> Bolin, you've managed to fit in a knee jerk reaction at the end of your
> reply.
My comment about getting help was not addressed to you, I don't even
know anything about you. I do know that there are many musicians (and
doctors, lawyers, teachers, parents, on and on) that have substance
abuse problems and don't get help. Excuse me for taking a moment to do
a public service announcement. It's an issue close to me and I'm only
trying to get some kid who might be a budding guitarist to think about
what is important in his or her life. I'm proud of the many musicians
who have been honest in saying how much time they wasted getting high
and how meaningless it all was. It is a tragedy when we write
liturgies for people who could have made better choices. If this is
not an acceptable type of post for this ng, then I'll stick to making
simple conversation.
dougal
Gord Jantzen
Ok. I don't think anyonoe is advocating taking drugs or the lifestyle
that Tommy Bolin lived. He made a bad choice in staying with drugs.
Conversely, that doesn't lessen the impact that his musical writing
abilities had with the world of music. He left a legacy of great music
behind him that deserves to be study. You make it a point to cast
judgement on a artist for some bad choices. Why apply this same faulty
logic to Bolin, Hendrix or Joplin or Billie Holliday. Of course, we
choose to remember what these artist left behind as artist and great
musicians. And I couldn't agree more that it is a tragedy when we write
liturgies about former musicians: but the music still lives on. I can
choose to luv the music -- and remove myself from having to judge
someone unnecessarily; I'll leave that stuff up to the godz. The point
was making is .... it doesn't matter how a person died or how they died.
But what kind of music did they leave behind. It's not up to me to be
politically correct nor cast judgement on someono's lifestyle choice.
Many a rock superstar has come close to not coming back. Eric Clapton a
name I use because he's a very familar high profile musician. He could
have very well gone down the same road as Bolin. He didn't because he
got the proper treatment. But it took 2 trys into the clinics for Eric.
Hard drugs are hard things to break away from..... The lessons are
obvious.
But because Bolin died of an OD doesn't mean his music should be ignored
, nor should the artist be shunned. He left a legacy of music that
still endures today. The music is what's important.
I mean the same thing could be said about Miles Davis? I don't think I
agree with his lifestyle choices but his music is amazing stuff.
Ciao,
Gord
S-v-a-n-t-e
>hear the amazing version of Funk 49. The thing I recall about Bolin
>was that he had a reel-to-reel tape recorder on a stool next to him
>which I guess he used for echo effects.
Just like Blackmore!
>band fresh and exciting. And from me, being in recovery myself, please
>get help if you have a drug problem. You can beat addiction. Writing
>liturgies to the dead is no fun at all.
Hear hear. Good luck, buddy!
S-v-a-n-t-e
>Otherwise, as for writing liturgies to the dead.... It's done often to
>pay homage to musicians of all sorts.
Sure, but it is still sad when great people leave us too early. I'm
just at the end of a Zappa biography and it hurts me to read about a
great man dying just when he seemed to be getting closer to what he
had been working for all his life. Also at a point where I found his
music making being more interesting than ever. The great ones always
die too early for some reason.
Also, I saw an episode of the great TV series "Jazz" last night and
they were talking about Charlie Parker. Another example of an amazing,
history-making musician who sadly fell victim to drug abuse.
>problem should get help. I find it insulting that because I mention
>Bolin, you've managed to fit in a knee jerk reaction at the end of your
>reply.
I don't think that was his point. Read it again:
>dougal wrote:
>> Writing
>> liturgies to the dead is no fun at all.
I agree.
MikeY
> MikeY, You've truly shown your TRUE colors here and your lack of class.
Coming from someone like you that really has meaning GodY.
> This doesn't surprise me. Yes it's a public form but the original reply
> was directed at me and I'm entitled to give my opinion.
And I an entitled to give mine.....
It's very
> apparent that you don't like my views and feel it your duty to slam my
> post.
Frankly I do not take your views to heart and you should not take mine so
seriously..... You are way to defensive here. The discussion here is about
people we do not know (not our family members) and music.I think the main
gist of my comments are more directed at the fact that people put these
guys up on pedestals and think they are something above us "normal people"
and they are no different than you or me.
> Understandable from a judgemental soul like you.
You do not even know me, so who is judging whm GordY......
You've managed
> to totally derail what I had originally posted. Thx for being such a
> great JERK. Folks like you have ruined a great newsgroup that this
> place used to be.
Actually it is more the Wereo and TeRRy's that ruin things here. But you
are entitled to your opinion.
>Have a good time at church, MIKEY.
Ooooo that hurt.....not. You seem to have something against church??
Again, that is your problem not mine. And now who is judging who??
For the record (or CD as this is not the 70's anymore): Bolin was a huge
talent and he chose to waste the gift that God (that is where all this
stuff comes from for those who choose to believe it) gave him by killing
himself with drugs. We lost a great talent and a guy that probably still
had his bset years ahead of him.
Have a nice evening GordY
Gord Jantzen
Gord Wrote:
I agree as well. Perhaps the point I was making is that I'm sure
there's probably going to be course at some of these University of
someone like a Zappa or Parker or even Miles Davis. Where the lives and
music of these greats will be studied. Who knows when Lordy passes on,
I'm sure his musical carreer and life will be studied as well.
Imagine: Zappa 101; Bolin 101, Lord 204
Imagine the course content.
LOL...:)
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Good points made, MikeY. Kudos to your post. And I think you're right
about what's been said. We need diversity on any topic. I don't think
I'm casting judgement, either. My apologies to U.
Perhaps the difference is that I'm not looking at how a musician died
but as to what musical life they left behind.
Agreed about Bolin: A waste of a gift from GOD.
Ciao,
Gord
Nond...@n.dum
>>I don't have aver heard of this concert...
>>Is it recorded?
>
>were the support act, Beck the headliner.
>
>Nigel
Well I don't need/wish/want to hear Jeff Beck.. the TB band is just
fine. Where can one get that bootleg CD?
>
>
--
________________________________
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ratbatbaloo at pandora dot be
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Kris
MikeY <mikef...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Frankly I do not take your views to heart and you should not take mine so
> seriously..... You are way to defensive here. The discussion here is about
> people we do not know (not our family members) and music.I think the main
> gist of my comments are more directed at the fact that people put these
> guys up on pedestals and think they are something above us "normal people"
> and they are no different than you or me.
>
Why do I sense bitterness here? Like it or not, Bolin has been put on a
pedestal because unlike yourself he was an accomplished and succesful
musician who affected the lives of many people. Placing him on the receiving
end of your contempt only because he was a drug addict looks like a
smallminded thing to do.
dougal
> Gord Wrote:
>
> Ok. I don't think anyonoe is advocating taking drugs or the lifestyle
> that Tommy Bolin lived. He made a bad choice in staying with drugs.
> Conversely, that doesn't lessen the impact that his musical writing
> abilities had with the world of music. He left a legacy of great music
> behind him that deserves to be study. You make it a point to cast
> judgement on a artist for some bad choices. Why apply this same faulty
> logic to Bolin, Hendrix or Joplin or Billie Holliday.
We're really not far apart in our thinking here. It seems that many
people in society have difficulty separating a person's professional
life from their personal life. This is a debate that goes on often in
sports. Should Pete Rose be voted into the baseball hall of fame? He
has the all-time base-hit record, yet he admitted to betting on games.
His professional contributions are unquestionable, so why should he
not be recognized as one of the greats in baseball for something he
did in his personal life? I think Tommy Bolin was an astounding guitar
player with a unique sound, and probably ahead of his time in the way
he tried to mix jazz, funk and rock together. He made a great
professional contribution to the expansion of rock.
On the personal side, it is sad to know he had what sounds like a
severe drug problem. I don't know what steps he took to get help.
Maybe he didn't even think he had a problem, which complicates
matters. So you see, I can admire a person's talent yet be troubled
about their personal life. Yes, it's not any of my business how they
live their life, but doesn't it make you just a little bit angry when
someone like Robert Downey Jr. or Darryl Strawberry (another baseball
player) has immense talent yet chooses to sit in a hotel room smoking
crack?
I started to write a few other comments, but I'm going to let this go
for now. There are other ng's that I can go to and give my anti-drug
speeches. It just struck me that Bolin died 25 years ago this
November. His album Teaser is as fresh as anything being done by Dave
Matthews, Sheryl Crow, Allanis Morrisette or other late 90s rock acts.
I'll leave you with this...
"Try to keep your head above the water, my friend." from James
Gang/Miami
dougal
dougal
> palmh...@att.net (dougal) vrute-a:
>
> >hear the amazing version of Funk 49. The thing I recall about Bolin
> >was that he had a reel-to-reel tape recorder on a stool next to him
> >which I guess he used for echo effects.
>
> Just like Blackmore!
>
> >band fresh and exciting. And from me, being in recovery myself, please
> >get help if you have a drug problem. You can beat addiction. Writing
> >liturgies to the dead is no fun at all.
>
> Hear hear. Good luck, buddy!
Thanks! Taking it one day at a time.
Gord Jantzen
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for the great comments,
Dougal. Loved the James Gang qoute. Funk 49 via Bolin's version just
rocks. Your comments really put everything into perspective in regards
to special treatments the stars get.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Gord Wrote:
Thanks again, Dougal. You add a whole new edge to this newsgroup. Stay
with the program .... You will do well.
Ciao,
Gord
MikeY
> Why do I sense bitterness here? Like it or not, Bolin has been put on a
> pedestal because unlike yourself he was an accomplished and succesful
> musician who affected the lives of many people. Placing him on the receiving
> end of your contempt only because he was a drug addict looks like a
> smallminded thing to do.
No I am not bitter. What do I have to be bitter about? Because I did not
make it to the top and become a junkie and croak on my puke like Tommy
did? Or because I did not waste a huge talent by showing up to my
performances so whacked I could not talk?? I am supposed to be bitter
about that? And put that person on a pedestal? He was a mere man like all
of us here. Being a good guitar player means he is different? Get real.
Yea there was a time when I would have loved to been at the top, but I can
honestly say that I am THANKFUL I dod not get what I wanted! I have a good
job, a great wife and son (my first and only marriage), and I just paid
off my house. Sorry to disappoint you. I have no contempt about Tommy. I
just think that placing someone like him (junkie who happened to be a
great musician who dies way way way to young) on a pedestal just does not
make sense to me.
MikeY "back to practice my guitar some more so I am not so bitter"
Kris
MikeY <mikef...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mikefred46-06...@da001d0940.mia-fl.osd.concentric.net...
Gord Jantzen
Well said, Mikey. Making it big can be a huge curse. I think of Garth
Brooks song "Unanswered Pray" or something like that. Neat story
behind the song. Best wishes to your family.
Ciao,
Gord
Killans - First And Last And Always
MikeY <mikef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>I just think that placing someone like him (junkie who happened to be a
See, to you, he's a junkie who just happened to be a great musician. To
the rest of us, he's a great musician who just happened to be a junkie.
That speaks volumes.
Mike
--
"It's better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness."
MikeY
First And Last And Always) wrote:
> See, to you, he's a junkie who just happened to be a great musician. To
> the rest of us, he's a great musician who just happened to be a junkie.
> That speaks volumes.
A junkie is a junkie... but....
I am just bummed that we really never got to hear Tommy's full potential!
Such a waste of talent.
MikeY
Wes Hutchings
----------
In article
<mikefred46-27...@da001d0646.mia-fl.osd.concentric.net>,
mikef...@hotmail.com (MikeY) wrote:
> In article <99864072...@irys.nyx.net>, mcol...@nyx.net (Killans -
> First And Last And Always) wrote:
>
>
>> See, to you, he's a junkie who just happened to be a great musician. To
>> the rest of us, he's a great musician who just happened to be a junkie.
>> That speaks volumes.
>
>
> A junkie is a junkie... but....
> I am just bummed that we really never got to hear Tommy's full potential!
> Such a waste of talent.
There have always been talented performers who had a bad habit.
It does not diminish what they did as artists.
The two events are not connected.
wes
Jim Collins
Wes Hutchings wrote:
> There have always been talented performers who had a bad habit.
> It does not diminish what they did as artists.
> The two events are not connected.
>
> wes
How could anyone who's heard Tommy's live work in 1975-1976 make a
statement like this? The two are not connected? At his best on stage with
Purple, he was a mediocre guitarist struggling with a bad drug habit. In the
studio with Purple, he was a slightly above average guitarist struggling with a
drug habit. On his Private Eyes album, he was a great songwriter, performing as
an above average guitarist struggling with a drug habit. Live on his final
tour, he was an often horrible guitarist struggling with a crippling drug
habit. He never remotely touched his potential as a musician, because he never
got the chance to mature as a writer, performer, musician, or anything. He
indeed learned to do drugs and did them very well, until the end. There is no
way to separate the two. Tommy Bolin's last years were a mess at best. He
peaked in 1974 during the Teaser sessions and never recovered his footing.
Cheers, Jim C.
Wes Hutchings
----------
In article <3B8B0933...@idir.net>, Jim Collins <meta...@idir.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Wes Hutchings wrote:
>
>> There have always been talented performers who had a bad habit.
>> It does not diminish what they did as artists.
>> The two events are not connected.
>>
>> wes
>
> How could anyone who's heard Tommy's live work in 1975-1976 make a
> statement like this?
Because ART is separate from the ARTIST, once it is produced.
> The two are not connected?
Correct.
> At his best on stage with
> Purple, he was a mediocre guitarist struggling with a bad drug habit. In the
> studio with Purple, he was a slightly above average guitarist struggling with
a
> drug habit. On his Private Eyes album, he was a great songwriter, performing
as
> an above average guitarist struggling with a drug habit. Live on his final
> tour, he was an often horrible guitarist struggling with a crippling drug
> habit. He never remotely touched his potential as a musician, because he never
> got the chance to mature as a writer, performer, musician, or anything.
Note that the rise and falls you noted all occur during a time of him being
involved with drugs. They were a constant, while the work he produced
varied, becoming both better and worse.
> He
> indeed learned to do drugs and did them very well, until the end. There is no
> way to separate the two.
Was Hitler a Lousy painter because he was Adolph Hitler or was he Adolph
Hitler because he was a lousy painter or was he just a lousy painter who
happened to be Hitler?
Was Freddy Mercury's work diminished because he died of AIDS? The work
stands on it's own and did so quite well for years. One day some people
whined that they no longer respected him as a singer because he was gay.
Why? Did his singing become worse because of that?
The same argument was put forward after his death.
The fact remains that art stands or falls on it's own. It doesn't matter
what kind of person created it. The only people it is ever of any concern to
are those who judge the person, rather than the work.
Was Van Gogh a lesser painter for being a nut who mailed his ear to his
love?
The truth of the matter is that art will always have it's admirers and
detractors.
Some people can separate the art from the artist and some can not.
> Tommy Bolin's last years were a mess at best. He
> peaked in 1974 during the Teaser sessions and never recovered his footing.
> Cheers, Jim C.
>
Which has what to do with his art?
Morrison, Hendrix, Joplin, Mercury.
All died from doing stupid shit in their lives.
These stupid things do not diminish the works they created which rose above
the rest.
wes
Svante Pettersson
>Was Hitler a Lousy painter because he was Adolph Hitler or was he Adolph
AdolF.
>Morrison, Hendrix, Joplin, Mercury.
>
>All died from doing stupid shit in their lives.
What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
/Svante
--
"We start a little bit quieter, move little bit onwards,
and in the end we will send you home... deaf" - Jon Lord
Fayvivian
>>
>>All died from doing stupid shit in their lives.
>
>What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
>
>/Svante
Nothing bad enough to deserve what happened to him.
Lenore
Wes Hutchings
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In article <3b8c5fc7...@news.one.se>,
swepett@thehighwaystar_REMOVE_.com (Svante Pettersson) wrote:
> "Wes Hutchings" <yyr...@cwnet.com> vrute-a:
>
>>Was Hitler a Lousy painter because he was Adolph Hitler or was he Adolph
>
> AdolF.
>
>>Morrison, Hendrix, Joplin, Mercury.
>>
>>All died from doing stupid shit in their lives.
>
> What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
Engaged in sexual practices which were known to be unsafe during a time when
AIDS and HIV were at their peak in terms of virulence and human paranoia.
Maybe he just had one unlucky encounter, probably several and then tried to
keep it a secret.
As I recall it his death came out of literally nowhere in a day.
Does that in anyway change the music he did produce?
wes
Wes Hutchings
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In article <20010828083942...@mb-mr.aol.com>, fayv...@aol.com
(Fayvivian) wrote:
Phillip K. Dick discusses this point in A Scanner Darkly.
How all the people of his generation were dead or dying from "just wanting
to have a good time." and how the price of 'fun' was just too high.
He died shortly after publishing the book.
There are many things like that in our world. People engage in risky
behavior all the time. Some know the risks, while others do not.
I had a friend who didn't want to try Rogaine because he was "concerned
about the side effects." One of which was potential for heart problems.
I reminded him he used cocaine. He didn't get the connection.
While no one deserves to die for having fun, people in fact do die every day
from just trying to have a good time.
Some people make the connection in time, others keep going until life
revokes their pass.
wes
>
> Lenore
>
>
Jim Collins
>
> > What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
>
> Engaged in sexual practices which were known to be unsafe during a time when
> AIDS and HIV were at their peak in terms of virulence and human paranoia.
> Maybe he just had one unlucky encounter, probably several and then tried to
> keep it a secret.
> As I recall it his death came out of literally nowhere in a day.
>
> Does that in anyway change the music he did produce?
>
> wes
My point was that Bolin's addiction DID affect the music he produced.
Mercury's AID's didn't. He worked up until the end, and it may have affected
some of his vocal range somewhat, but he never gave a sloppy or half-assed
performance because of it. Nothing about Bolin's death can compare to Mercury's.
Bolin, like Morrison and Hendrix before him, gave numerous sub-standard
performances while under the influence. While he was capable of some
breathtaking moments, more often than not he was horrible the last two years of
his life. Listen to any of the Tommy Bolin Band performances. The one's
considered good are just the ones where he didn't suck as bad as some others.
There have been performers that have had drug problems that didn't necessarily
affect their performances. But don't confuse them with junkies or drunks that
play sub standard shows because they can hardly walk, talk or play. Those are
two different subjects completely. Cheers, Jim C.
MikeY
<yyr...@cwnet.com> wrote:
> >>Morrison, Hendrix, Joplin, Mercury.
> >>
> >>All died from doing stupid shit in their lives.
> >
> > What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
Bent over.......
Another sad loss of a HUGELY gifted musician though! He was my favorite
vocalist of all time. Just another example of what bad lifestyle choices
will do to you too.
Ric0
Wes Hutchings
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In article <3B8C110E...@idir.net>, Jim Collins <meta...@idir.net>
wrote:
> Wes Hutchings wrote:
>
>>
>> > What "stupid shit" did Mercury do?
>>
>> Engaged in sexual practices which were known to be unsafe during a time when
>> AIDS and HIV were at their peak in terms of virulence and human paranoia.
>> Maybe he just had one unlucky encounter, probably several and then tried to
>> keep it a secret.
>> As I recall it his death came out of literally nowhere in a day.
>>
>> Does that in anyway change the music he did produce?
>>
>> wes
>
> My point was that Bolin's addiction DID affect the music he produced.
I would say from the evidence you supplied that it did not matter one way or
the other.
His work both improved and got worse during times when he was using drugs.
It would seem to not be a determining factor. Downey would be a current
example of this.
> Mercury's AID's didn't.
Correct, by the way the capital S for syndrome does need to be included.
> He worked up until the end, and it may have affected
> some of his vocal range somewhat, but he never gave a sloppy or half-assed
> performance because of it. Nothing about Bolin's death can compare to
Mercury's.
The fact they both still did work, the fact they both died from their
respective problems.
The difference some might say is talent.
> Bolin, like Morrison and Hendrix before him, gave numerous sub-standard
> performances while under the influence.
That then would be the difference.
> While he was capable of some
> breathtaking moments, more often than not he was horrible the last two years
of
> his life. Listen to any of the Tommy Bolin Band performances. The one's
> considered good are just the ones where he didn't suck as bad as some others.
> There have been performers that have had drug problems that didn't necessarily
> affect their performances. But don't confuse them with junkies or drunks that
> play sub standard shows because they can hardly walk, talk or play. Those are
> two different subjects completely. Cheers, Jim C.
I agree, which is why I say the work should be judged as separate from their
problems.
wes
>
Jim Collins
Wes Hutchings wrote:
>
> > Mercury's AID's didn't.
>
> Correct, by the way the capital S for syndrome does need to be included.
Thanks for pointing out that error. Once again proof typing under the influence
DOES affect ones work. In this case, under the influence of lack of sleep. AIDS, yes
that does look more correct in the light of day.
>
>
> I agree, which is why I say the work should be judged as separate from their
> problems.
> wes
>
I'm still seriously lost on your logic here. How can a performer come out
and play horribly under the influence of drugs, yet be separated from his drug
problem when discussing the quality of his work? The two are intertwined. Some
performers handled drugs well, others didn't. Bolin falls into the latter category.
I don't want to come across like I'm anti-Bolin, he was a talented guy. But even a
cursory listen to his catalog shows a steady decline in the quality of his work as
his drug habit grew worse. Please enlighten me. Cheers, Jim C.
Wes Hutchings
----------
In article <3B8C3790...@idir.net>, Jim Collins <meta...@idir.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Wes Hutchings wrote:
>
>>
>> > Mercury's AID's didn't.
>>
>> Correct, by the way the capital S for syndrome does need to be included.
>
> Thanks for pointing out that error. Once again proof typing under the
influence
> DOES affect ones work. In this case, under the influence of lack of sleep.
> AIDS, yes
> that does look more correct in the light of day.
>
>>
>>
>> I agree, which is why I say the work should be judged as separate from their
>> problems.
>> wes
>>
>
> I'm still seriously lost on your logic here. How can a performer
come out
> and play horribly under the influence of drugs, yet be separated from his drug
> problem when discussing the quality of his work? The two are intertwined.
When you state as them performing under the influence, yes they are. I was
not under that impression initially. You stated your earlier points as being
works that happened to be produced during a time when he had a drug problem.
Downey has a drug problem, but he still does good work when he's supposed
to. I separated them as I did not realize you were citing specific instances
and were discussing his work in general, which you again cite as changing
regardless of him using or not.
> Some
> performers handled drugs well, others didn't. Bolin falls into the latter
category.
Anyone who thinks they handle drugs well is a fucking idiot, no qualifiers.
> I don't want to come across like I'm anti-Bolin, he was a talented guy. But
even a
> cursory listen to his catalog shows a steady decline in the quality of his
work as
> his drug habit grew worse. Please enlighten me. Cheers, Jim C.
I'm not arguing that point. I initially believed you were judging the
quality of his work based on his drug use as an 'after the fact' judgement.
In which case I would stand against.
If you're stating that while he was performing, you decided he stunk on ice,
then that's your opinion and I can live with it.
My comment was meant to encompass people, who with 20/20 hindsight state
"His work sucked, because I found out today he was a cokehead.".
That view is bullshit. Anyone using that approach is editing the past to
match their new present.
wes
wes
>
>
Gord Jantzen
Like somemany times before Jim -- WRONG. Private Eyes is proof that he
could stil produce the artistic product. Despite his problem. Great
album/CD. We would have to include some of the other key folks in the
music world as well. Page, Plant, Clapton, Lynott, Richards, Alice
Cooperthe list is endless.
Ohh,,, I guess you just loose it about Miles Davis. Just a guess.
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Correct, because if you took that slant. .... one would have to write
off Hendrix and Clapton. Which, of course, would be asinine, and
pointless.
Ciao,
Gord
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