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Monkibeer

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Lets see who all is going and where you are coming from....

I will be there!! From Portland, Oregon.


OutaHeRe!

kb TI#31

MoonFowr28

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hoping to be there- 80% sure at the time

coming from atlanta, ga


Barb


Gregg Brofer

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Won't be able tophysically make it due to lack of funds but will
be there in spirit from Tempe Arizona!

Gregg

Charli1997

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>Lets see who all is going and where you are coming from....
>
>I will be there!! From Portland, Oregon.

Two from Seattle, WA

Charli


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DaynaE

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I'm driving all the way from Chicago! :)

<<<<<<<<<<<ducking!!!>>>>>>>>>>>

DaynaE

TPinto1595

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Making the trip from Los Angeles to see MY BAND!!!

Marblehed

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I will be coming from Augusta, Ga.
Unless something horrible happens from now until then......

Steve

MAHMET625

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Lets see who all is going and where you are coming from....

I will be there!! From Portland, Oregon.

coming from atlanta, ga

Two from Seattle, WA

Making the trip from Los Angeles to see MY BAND!!!

I'm driving all the way from Chicago! :)

<<<<<<<<<<<ducking!!!>>>>>>>>>>>

*********************************************************

I'm a lucky duck--Star Plaza Theatre is 25 mins from my house!
Laurie


mellster

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DaynaE <day...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980101030...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...


> I'm driving all the way from Chicago! :)
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<ducking!!!>>>>>>>>>>>
>

> DaynaE
>

ya can't duck a raspberry, Dayna

:-p

heh heh =))

mellster-driving from Richmond, VA. What? Get on a plane?? Are you crazy??
Getting there is half the fun!!


Craig Cholette

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coming from Ann Arbor, MI....
C9

The Official PLANET 9 homepage is at:

www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/8427
'so fucking what'..

Rusty Wallace

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Rusty Wallace

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Bunezuela

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I Want U 2 Want Me
Come On Come On
She's Tight
Anytime
Aint That a Shame (yeah!)
I Know What I Want
Wrong All Along
If You Want My Love
Southern Girls
Voices (woo-hoo!)
Heaven 2nite
Don't Be Cruel (it rocked!)
Surrender
Auld Lang Syne (no kidding!)
Dream Police

There was no encore, boo hoo!

I got a lot to tell you about this one, but I'm going to bed now!

Bunezuela

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OK, ladies sit down, have a drink. Robin has a beard! It looked sorta like
Abe Lincoln's. Now I'm from The Land Of Lincoln too. But... oh well, I'm sure
it's just a phase! I'll have pictures and more to tell in a few days.

Bunezuela

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In article <34aaffca...@news.doitnow.com>, gre...@doitnow.com (Gregg
Brofer) writes:

> Won't be able tophysically make it due to lack of funds but will
>be there in spirit from Tempe Arizona!

Maybe they should do some sort of internet web cast. Maybe liveconcerts.com
would lend us a tech guy for the weekend!

Goodideazuela

Bunezuela

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Jan 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/1/98
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2 from the Granola State!

Bunezuela

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In article <19980101092...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, bune...@aol.com
(Bunezuela) writes:

>I got a lot to tell you about this one, but I'm going to bed now!

I can't sleep... musta been the Jolt Cola.

Anyway, this was possibly the most fun I ever had at one of their shows.
Everyone was telling me stories and asking about my TF badge and Rick-pick pin
I made. No pushing, shoving or anything. Maybe it's that Hard Rock Cafe
slogan, Love All, Serve All. I have a lot to tell, later!

I brought a Globey for Tom, to go with Chairy. We gave it to Rick's guitar
wrangler (nice guy) to give to Carla to give to Tom. But he didn't give it to
Carla, he just taped it to the top of Tom's amp! No Chairy though, just
Globey. I was smilin'! I hope my pictures turn out! I swear the people next
to me were chanting for Chairy, then Bun E., then "Cheap Trick".

The band was all smiles, relaxed, happy. They played really well, too.
Nothing frantic - they were hitting all the notes. It was a fantastic show,
magnificent. A real treat. And for free??? What a country.

Rick hit me in the head with a pick, but the blonde girl behind me picked it
up. It went whizzing by and I thought it might have stuck in my hair or my ear
or something, but no such luck. Oh well, I got a bunch of picks in Santa Cruz
last year.

clm

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Bunezuela wrote in message
<19980101092...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>I got a lot to tell you about this one, but I'm going to bed now!

WIMP!
Keep us in suspense why don't ya!! :)))
Connie

clm

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Jan 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/1/98
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>>Lets see who all is going and where you are coming from....


One definitely, Two maybe from Minneapolis

Connie

Hayes

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Flying in from England. Hope to meet you all at Merrillville.

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CT Gossip Police

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Gee, I wonder why he's trying to disguise himself all of a sudden...???

Jeff Talley

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That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?

--
Marc I. Wigle
M.I. Wigle & Associates
Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.


Craig L.

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Can't wait !!! Missed the 1st one : ( Already have those days requested
off from work , definately will be there with two freinds who aren't on
line , but are fan club members also . All coming all the way from
Schaumburg Illinois . See you there !!! C.L.

Jeff Talley

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Please don't anyone respond to this thread....
I'd HATE to see it over and over on my monitor.
Happy New Years! Go Blue!

Not Outt..
Jeff.


Jeff Talley

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Jeff Talley wrote:

Oops... I didn't mean to reply to this post again.... (What was that
pizza drivers ng called again?)

Not Outt..
Jeff.

DaynaE

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>
>OK, ladies sit down, have a drink. Robin has a beard! It looked sorta like
>Abe Lincoln's. Now I'm from The Land Of Lincoln too. But... oh well, I'm
>sure
>it's just a phase! I'll have pictures and more to tell in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BUNZ - You ARE joking, right? PLEASE say you're joking! PLEASE SAY YOU'RE
JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

DaynaE

Jeff Talley

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Jan 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/1/98
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Oh yeah... My wife and I will be at Trickfest, has anyone got the info
in the mail about it yet? I got my CT coffee cup a couple of weeks ago
and really like it, but I don't drink coffee... How about Cheap Trick
beer mugs?

The thread that wouldn't die is here...

Not Outt..
Jeff.


mellster

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Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net>
did not write

In article <34ABCED5...@istar.ca>...
which was written by a young child with way too much time on his hands, and
who has the brain capacity of a tse-tse fly...

> That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?

No, it means that you have not a clue what you're doing here. When you
actually *get* a clue, please tell us, as we'll be DYING to know.



> --
> Marc I. Wigle
> M.I. Wigle & Associates
> Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
> To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.

Who is giving Canadians a really bad name here, lately. Hey Marc? Don't you
have an ounce of patriotism in your blood? I thought that y'all from the
Great White North had WAY too much pride to stick around where you
*obviously* aren't wanted...

mellster


CT Gossip Police

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Jeff Talley wrote:
>
> Please don't anyone respond to this thread....
> I'd HATE to see it over and over on my monitor.
> Happy New Years! Go Blue!
>
> Not Outt..
> Jeff.

By saying. 'not outt', does that mean you're still 'in' the closet??

'Go Blue' as in 'Blue Boy'? This group is more interesting than I could
possibly have ever imagined!!

CT Gossip Police

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Jeff Talley wrote:
>
> That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?
>
> --
> Marc I. Wigle
> M.I. Wigle & Associates
> Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
> To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.

Nice try, Jeffrey... under your header marked options(in Netscape News),
ask for 'all headers' to see who this really came from!! Gee, Jeff did
post the above and not Marc!! What a bunch of juveniles.

I'm siding with Marc more and more after seeing some of these idiotic
postings...

P.S. Jeff, I'll be more than happy to send your posting to your ISP and
see what they have to say about forging someone else's info!

CT Gossip Police

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mellster wrote:
>
> Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net>
> did not write
>
> In article <34ABCED5...@istar.ca>...
> which was written by a young child with way too much time on his hands, and
> who has the brain capacity of a tse-tse fly...

You got that right, Jeff, come on down!!!


> > That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?

I don't know, Jeff, but maybe your Mommy would have a different opinion.

>
> No, it means that you have not a clue what you're doing here. When you
> actually *get* a clue, please tell us, as we'll be DYING to know.

> > --
> > Marc I. Wigle
> > M.I. Wigle & Associates
> > Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
> > To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.
>

> Who is giving Canadians a really bad name here, lately. Hey Marc? Don't you
> have an ounce of patriotism in your blood? I thought that y'all from the
> Great White North had WAY too much pride to stick around where you
> *obviously* aren't wanted...
>
> mellster

As I said in my other posting, the posting was not written by Marc but,
Jeff. For proof, just ask for 'all headers' if you're using Netscape
News to see who actually posted. On Marc's behalf (I don't appreciate
all of the crap directed at him and have chosen to remain anonymous),
I've already sent the posting to Jeffrey's ISP for their use.

Marc I. Wigle

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mellster wrote:
>
> Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net>
> did not write

Nice try, asshole!! Check the headers for proof!!


> In article <34ABCED5...@istar.ca>...
> which was written by a young child with way too much time on his hands, and
> who has the brain capacity of a tse-tse fly...

That's right, Jeff take a bow!!

> > That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?

You sound like a dork but, when your mother married her cousin, shit
happens...

> No, it means that you have not a clue what you're doing here. When you
> actually *get* a clue, please tell us, as we'll be DYING to know.
>
> > --
> > Marc I. Wigle
> > M.I. Wigle & Associates
> > Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
> > To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.
>
> Who is giving Canadians a really bad name here, lately. Hey Marc? Don't you
> have an ounce of patriotism in your blood? I thought that y'all from the
> Great White North had WAY too much pride to stick around where you
> *obviously* aren't wanted...

Gee, lets start with Vietnam, the Middle east (just about country)...
Maybe you dorks should have stayed out of places where YOU obviously
weren't wanted!!


Actually, without betraying any confidences, I've had a number of people
respond directly to me with NOT the same opinion. They obviously had the
opinion that the initial posting was NOT posted by me and by choosing to
defend myself, I'm the one being castigated. Thanks anyway but, I'll
stick around as long as I wish!

Marc


> mellster

KGISBORNE

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Coming in from Leeds, England (via San Diego, Ca where I'll be picking up
Harriet and bringing her along too !). See you all in Merrilville from the late
afternoon/evening of 24/2 onwards !!

Kim
(They persecute me right here in Leeds, England)

Marblehed

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Actually, I will probably fly out of South Carolina, since it will be cheaper
for me to fly out of there.....Not to mention that I won't have to drive in
Atlanta.....Too much trafic for me. Lol. :)

Steve>
>I haven't booked my flight yet. It would be cool if we all could take
>the same flight, and drink the plane dry. If you live in Augusta, would
>you fly out of SC, or Atlanta? Just curious!

Mdk248

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I'm in....(TF1 veteran)

Michael, Michigan #106

Marblehed

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I don't know about anything.....But I do get a kick out of the title of this
group......What was that group that had a song called Mr Wiggle?

Steve

Altov

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>CT Gossip Police <ISHEORISNTHE?@hdqtrs.com>

Hmmmm...K.C., is that YOU?!

Bunezuela

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In article <19980101174...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, day...@aol.com
(DaynaE) writes:

>BUNZ - You ARE joking, right? PLEASE say you're joking! PLEASE SAY
>YOU'RE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

It's no joke, I'll have the photos to prove it pretty soon.

Jeff Talley

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CT Gossip Police wrote:

> Jeff Talley wrote:
> >
> > That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?
> >

> > --
> > Marc I. Wigle
> > M.I. Wigle & Associates
> > Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
> > To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.
>

> Nice try, Jeffrey...

I wasn't "trying" anything... If you looked at the top of the post it
had my e-mail address there.

And who should appear out oif the blue but "another" jerk to defend
Marc's honor... Do you really believe you're fooling anyone Marc?

Outt..
Jeff


Jeff Talley

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Altov wrote:

> >CT Gossip Police <ISHEORISNTHE?@hdqtrs.com>
>
> Hmmmm...K.C., is that YOU?!

From the Sunshine band? No wonder you're so worried about Robin
Zander.Outt..
Jeff.

Anais69

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I suggest some others "outt" there, especially those of you who have received
threatening e-mail do the same.

It amazes me that Wigle Worm is so upset that Jeff made a post with his netname
(but including his real e-mail address), AFTER the Troll posted as Bunezuela
last night. Listen, Bune already posts enough for two guys without actually
BEING two guys!

Can we say "hypocrite", boys and girls? Good! I knew we could...


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"All things deep are song... See deep enough and
you see musically; the heart of nature being everywhere
music if you can only reach it." - Thomas Carlyle

jah...@cris.com

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I believe I am "the blonde girl" that was behind you last night--if I
knew that the pick hit you first I would have gladly given it to you -
sorry! :-)

BTW, (now that I've been lured in I might as well ask a question) are
there Tom and Robin picks too?

Julie

PS I'll leave the musical commentary to Bunezuela, but if anyone would
like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing, just let me know!


Bunezuela

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In article <34AC0F...@cris.com>, jah...@cris.com writes:

>PS I'll leave the musical commentary to Bunezuela, but if anyone would
>like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing, just let me know!

Mi esposa has been in fashion for many many years now, and she informs me that
Tom is quite the clothes horse. She doesn't like any of Robin's outfits after
1980 though.

Q. How do you tickle Tom Peterssen?
A. Gucci Gucci.


Bunezuela

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All Southern girls and boys are eating black eyed peas and rice today for good
luck in the new year, and collard greens for prosperity. It's a time honored
tradition, so don't fergit it today, y'all.

Bunezuela

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In article <34AC0F...@cris.com>, jah...@cris.com writes:

>BTW, (now that I've been lured in I might as well ask a question) are
>there Tom and Robin picks too?

I found a pick with Tom's face on it at Trick Fest, it's the only one I've ever
seen or known about. Never saw a Robin plectrum, but he may have had some at
one point.

BTW, if you find a pick, it's yours, don't feel like you "stole" mine, it's a
free for all and I've got a bunch of Rick picks. : )

Altov

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>From the Sunshine band? No wonder you're so worried about Robin
>Zander.

Nope, K.C., who used to work for the band a few years back.

And I'm not all that worried about Robin -- I'm pretty sure he ain't gay!

mellster

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jah...@cris.com wrote in article <34AC0F...@cris.com>...


> Bunezuela wrote:
> >
> > In article <19980101092...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
bune...@aol.com
> > (Bunezuela) writes:
> >
>
> > Rick hit me in the head with a pick, but the blonde girl behind me
picked it
> > up. It went whizzing by and I thought it might have stuck in my hair
or my ear
> > or something, but no such luck. Oh well, I got a bunch of picks in
Santa Cruz
> > last year.
>
> I believe I am "the blonde girl" that was behind you last night--if I
> knew that the pick hit you first I would have gladly given it to you -
> sorry! :-)
>

> BTW, (now that I've been lured in I might as well ask a question) are
> there Tom and Robin picks too?
>

> Julie


>
> PS I'll leave the musical commentary to Bunezuela, but if anyone would
> like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing, just let me know!
>
>

Oh, do tell!!
Welcome, Julie!

mellster

clm

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jah...@cris.com wrote in message <34AC0F...@cris.com>...

>PS I'll leave the musical commentary to Bunezuela, but if anyone would
>like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing, just let me know!


Of COURSE we would like to know!!! Please tell!!
Connie

Rusty Wallace

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jah...@cris.com

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> > PS I'll leave the musical commentary to Bunezuela, but if anyone would
> > like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing, just let me know!
> >
> >
>
> Oh, do tell!!
> Welcome, Julie!
>
> mellster

Ah, a taker!

Well, Tom (who is the epitome of cool IMHO) with his perfectly tosseled
hair and cigarette dangling out of his mouth just right, was wearing a
red suit jacket with shiny steel-colored lapels and cuffs. Sorry, I
can't remember the color or style of his shirt, black T-shirt maybe, but
he did have on a rather large green jeweled cross that hung down past
his chest. His pants were medium green suit slacks, and to complete the
oh-so-stylish ensemble he had on red leather square toe shoes with
silver buckles.

When Robin came out he had his hair back in a ponytail and was wearing
mirrored sunglasses - he took his hair down and the glasses off about
3-4 songs into the set. I think his aforementioned beard looks pretty
good-shocking at first, but then I hardly noticed it after
awhile-although it does hide that chin. He was also wearing a suit
jacket that was black with silver threads running through it. After the
first or second song he took the jacket off to give us a a better look
at his tuxedo shirt with diamond-esque buttons and dark paisley sleeves.
His pants were tight black patent leather and his shoes were black, kind
of Doc Martin looking.

And not so anyone who has read this far thinks I am discriminating
against Rick or Bun E., Rick had on what seems to be a fairly standard
Rick outfit lately: tennis shoes, black baggy pants, white t-shirt, red
suit jacket, amber-colored sunglasses, and baseball cap. All I could see
of Bun E. was that he was wearing a light blue and white Hawaiian shirt.

Hope this gives those of you who couldn't make it a good mental picture!
And fashion commentary aside, it was a throughly enjoyable show.
Everyone respected each other's space for the most part, and it wasn't
unbearably hot and crowded like the last time I saw them in S.F.
Needless to say, they rocked!

Julie

Jeff Talley

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Charli1997 wrote:

> >(but including his real e-mail address), AFTER the Troll posted as
> Bunezuela
> >last night. Listen, Bune already posts enough for two guys without
> actually
> >BEING two guys!
>

> Yeah, but he's cute <g>
>
> Charli

Charli,
Have you seen Bun without his mask on?

Outt..
Jeff.


Charli1997

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>(but including his real e-mail address), AFTER the Troll posted as Bunezuela
>last night. Listen, Bune already posts enough for two guys without actually
>BEING two guys!


Yeah, but he's cute <g>


Charli


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Ladylarson

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coming from Albuquerque, NM if it's the last thing I do

Lady
drop by my homepage and say hello!
http://members.aol.com/Ladylarson/index.html

Marc I. Wigle

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Oh, now we're ONLY 'pretty sure'... Hmmmmm

sweethp

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On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:26:07 GMT, "Marc I. Wigle" <wig...@istar.ca>
wrote:

>mellster wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net>
>> did not write
>
>Nice try, asshole!! Check the headers for proof!!
>
>
>> In article <34ABCED5...@istar.ca>...
>> which was written by a young child with way too much time on his hands, and
>> who has the brain capacity of a tse-tse fly...
>
>That's right, Jeff take a bow!!
>

>> > That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?
>

>You sound like a dork but, when your mother married her cousin, shit
>happens...
>
>> No, it means that you have not a clue what you're doing here. When you
>> actually *get* a clue, please tell us, as we'll be DYING to know.
>>

>> > --
>> > Marc I. Wigle
>> > M.I. Wigle & Associates
>> > Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
>> > To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.
>>

>> Who is giving Canadians a really bad name here, lately. Hey Marc? Don't you
>> have an ounce of patriotism in your blood? I thought that y'all from the
>> Great White North had WAY too much pride to stick around where you
>> *obviously* aren't wanted...
>
>Gee, lets start with Vietnam, the Middle east (just about country)...
>Maybe you dorks should have stayed out of places where YOU obviously
>weren't wanted!!
>
>
>Actually, without betraying any confidences, I've had a number of people
>respond directly to me with NOT the same opinion. They obviously had the
>opinion that the initial posting was NOT posted by me and by choosing to
>defend myself, I'm the one being castigated. Thanks anyway but, I'll
>stick around as long as I wish!
>
>Marc
>
>
>> mellster

Then be prepared for what you may get!

Lynn

~~Never judge a person's ability by their disability~~

sweethp

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On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:18:33 GMT, CT Gossip Police
<ISHEORISNTHE?@hdqtrs.com> wrote:

>mellster wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net>
>> did not write
>>

>> In article <34ABCED5...@istar.ca>...
>> which was written by a young child with way too much time on his hands, and
>> who has the brain capacity of a tse-tse fly...
>

>You got that right, Jeff, come on down!!!
>
>

>> > That doesn't mean I'm a bad person does it?
>

>I don't know, Jeff, but maybe your Mommy would have a different opinion.
>
>>

>> No, it means that you have not a clue what you're doing here. When you
>> actually *get* a clue, please tell us, as we'll be DYING to know.
>
>
>> > --
>> > Marc I. Wigle
>> > M.I. Wigle & Associates
>> > Aylmer, Quebec and Kanata, Ontario
>> > To respond by E-mail, remove my finger from my rear.
>>
>> Who is giving Canadians a really bad name here, lately. Hey Marc? Don't you
>> have an ounce of patriotism in your blood? I thought that y'all from the
>> Great White North had WAY too much pride to stick around where you
>> *obviously* aren't wanted...
>>

>> mellster
>
>As I said in my other posting, the posting was not written by Marc but,
>Jeff. For proof, just ask for 'all headers' if you're using Netscape
>News to see who actually posted. On Marc's behalf (I don't appreciate
>all of the crap directed at him and have chosen to remain anonymous),
>I've already sent the posting to Jeffrey's ISP for their use.


Hmmmm...sounds like Marc's lover is getting rather upset! In the US
we all have a right to free speech, so I doubt that Jeff's isp gives a
damn what he posted or didn't post in the newsgroup.

My response to our 2nd little troll would be for him and his buddy to
go somewhere else if they don't like the truth being spoken about
their unnecessary and slanderous posts.

Lynn :-) (Who ALWAYS tells it like it is!)

sweethp

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On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 02:31:19 GMT, gre...@doitnow.com (Gregg Brofer)
wrote:

>On 1 Jan 1998 01:22:23 GMT, moonf...@aol.com (MoonFowr28) wrote:
>
>>hoping to be there- 80% sure at the time
>>
>>coming from atlanta, ga
>>
>>
>>Barb
>>
>
> Won't be able tophysically make it due to lack of funds but will
>be there in spirit from Tempe Arizona!
>
> Gregg

Same here Gregg! Although I will be there in spirit from Thaxton,
Virginia.

Lynn :-)

mellster

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Oh, ya know, I like the idea of just keeping this thread around for general
chit-chat. And, ya know, so Marc can feel loved...

So, Jeff...
did Michigan win today??

mellster

MAHMET625

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<like to know exactly what Tom and Robin were wearing,>

Julie--
I guess you just "happened" to notice what the guys were wearing!!! Good eyes
& memory!! Thanks for such a vivid mental picture!
Laurie

Charli1997

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>> >(but including his real e-mail address), AFTER the Troll posted as
>> Bunezuela
>> >last night. Listen, Bune already posts enough for two guys without
>> actually
>> >BEING two guys!
>>
>> Yeah, but he's cute <g>
>>

>Charli,


>Have you seen Bun without his mask on?


Aw come on, Jeff. There's more to being cute than looks. We should cut poor
Bun some slack - he lives in California...

Charli1997

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Speaking as a displaced Southerner... you just can't find that stuff here in
the soggy Pacific Northwest. But collard greens is some nasty tastin' stuff so
I don't miss it too much <g>

Jeff Talley

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mellster wrote:

Yesss... They did.Outt..
Jeff.

Bunezuela

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In article <34AC6B45...@concentric.net>, Jeff Talley
<smak...@concentric.net> writes:

>> Yeah, but he's cute <g>
>
> Charli
>Charli,
>Have you seen Bun without his
>mask on?

You can talk about me all you want, just not in the Wigle thread please!

Bunezuela

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In article <19980102075...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mahm...@aol.com
(MAHMET625) writes:

>Julie--
>I guess you just "happened" to notice what the guys were wearing!!!
>Good eyes & memory!! Thanks for such a vivid mental picture!
>Laurie

I will have pictures pretty soon.

Anais69

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In article <19980102185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bune...@aol.com
(Bunezuela) writes:

Okay, now Bun's got his own thread, what do you think the big revelation will
be?
Bunezuela is really Bigfoot? ELVIS? The lovechild of Bigfoot and Elvis?
All of these would explain the mask!

Jeff Talley

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Anais69 wrote:

> Okay, now Bun's got his own thread, what do you think the big
> revelation will
> be?
> Bunezuela is really Bigfoot? ELVIS? The lovechild of Bigfoot and
> Elvis?
> All of these would explain the mask!

You mean you don't know about the tragic childhood accident Bunezuel had
with a snapped g-string from his Hondo checkerboard bolt on Explorer?
(**gasp**)

Outt..
Jeff.

Veggirl

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Two from Connecticut......and we can't wait! See ya all there :-)

Veggirl

D.P.

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Marc I. Wigle wrote in message <34AC26...@istar.ca>...


>Actually, without betraying any confidences, I've had a number of people
>respond directly to me with NOT the same opinion. They obviously had the
>opinion that the initial posting was NOT posted by me and by choosing to
>defend myself, I'm the one being castigated>

>Marc


Irrelevant, as your behavior since then warrants the same reaction as if you
HAD posted the original message.
--
Doug
"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams." - Willy
Wonka
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Bunezuela

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In article <34AC56...@cris.com>, jah...@cris.com writes:

>All I could see of Bun E. was that he was wearing a light blue and white
>Hawaiian shirt.

And also a black baseball cap that said "Cottage Grove Police" (I wonder why
not Dream Police?)

Bunezuela

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Actually I'm the guy with two faces on the recent X-Files episode and I listen
to a lot of Cher. (You always knew I was a two-faced bastage.) I wish Cher
would cover some Trick songs, damnit.

I've also been hired to do a coupler two tree tickle videos. Not.

Anais69

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In article <19980103014...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bune...@aol.com
(Bunezuela) writes:

>Actually I'm the guy with two faces on the recent X-Files episode and I
>listen to a lot of Cher. (You always knew I was a two-faced bastage.) I wish
>Cher would cover some Trick songs, damnit.

One face being a Bun E. mask and the other ???? Sonny Bono, perhaps?

Another shocking rumor: Jeff is Rick's illegitimate son.

"Discuss amongst yawselves." -Linda Richman, "Cawfee Tawk"

Jeff Talley

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> Marc I. Wigle wrote in message <34AC26...@istar.ca>...

> >Actually, without betraying any confidences, I've had a number of
> people
> >respond directly to me with NOT the same opinion. They obviously had
> the
> >opinion that the initial posting was NOT posted by me and by choosing
> to
> >defend myself, I'm the one being castigated>
> >Marc

You are full of shit.... None of the regulars in here are going to write
you a e-mail saying how right you are... If you didn't post that BS to
begin with, you should have come in here and said you were sorry, and
it would have ended there.. Instead you chose to come in here and be a
jerk... Please come to Trickfest and let us know who you are... We'll
all tell Robin what you started here, and then we'll tar and feather
you. I'll bring the tar.
Outt..
Jeff.


Jeff Talley

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Anais69 wrote:

> In article <19980103014...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> bune...@aol.com
> (Bunezuela) writes:
>
> >Actually I'm the guy with two faces on the recent X-Files episode and
> I
> >listen to a lot of Cher. (You always knew I was a two-faced
> bastage.) I wish
> >Cher would cover some Trick songs, damnit.
>
> One face being a Bun E. mask and the other ???? Sonny Bono, perhaps?
>
> Another shocking rumor: Jeff is Rick's illegitimate son.

Actually I think "Bill" from Peoria Tu...@aol.com is Ricks son.... I
have seen that face and it is Ricks.
Outt..
Jeff.


Anais69

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In article <34ADCD1E...@concentric.net>, Jeff Talley

I've got FEATHERS, Jeff. A big bag full. They're on sale at the craft store
right now too, so I can go get more!!!

Let's have a special TrickFest event with this: The "I Can't Take It" Tar &
Feather Competition. We each get a shot. Robin's can judge. Whoever makes
Wigle look most like a duck wins.

This of course will be followed by the band playing "Shoot the Duck". Rick's
damned accurate with a guitar pick. I wonder how he'd do with a 30/30?

mellster

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Anais69 <ana...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980103073...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

BAHAHAHAHA! If Rick doesn't want to break out the old shotgun and sling
some lead, whaddaya say we all hang up the duck and turn it into a pinata??


mellster--taking first dibs on the whacks...

Anais69

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In article <01bd181a$d4bcc800$27764ecf@micron>, "mellster" <bo...@bealenet.com>
writes:

>> Let's have a special TrickFest event with this: The "I Can't Take It"
>>Tar & Feather Competition. We each get a shot. Robin's can judge.
>>Whoever makes Wigle look most like a duck wins.
>
>> This of course will be followed by the band playing
>>"Shoot the Duck". Rick's damned accurate
>>with a guitar pick. I wonder how he'd do with a 30/30?

>BAHAHAHAHA! If Rick doesn't want to break out
>the old shotgun and sling some lead, whaddaya say
>we all hang up the duck and turn it into a pinata??

>mellster--taking first dibs on the whacks...

Oh Mellster that sounds great, but aren't you going to find it
tough to get a good swing wearing that giant walnut costume? ;-)

mellster

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Anais69 <ana...@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980103152...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...


> In article <01bd181a$d4bcc800$27764ecf@micron>, "mellster"
<bo...@bealenet.com>
> writes:
>
> >> Let's have a special TrickFest event with this: The "I Can't Take It"
> >>Tar & Feather Competition. We each get a shot. Robin's can judge.
> >>Whoever makes Wigle look most like a duck wins.
> >
> >> This of course will be followed by the band playing
> >>"Shoot the Duck". Rick's damned accurate
> >>with a guitar pick. I wonder how he'd do with a 30/30?
>
> >BAHAHAHAHA! If Rick doesn't want to break out
> >the old shotgun and sling some lead, whaddaya say
> >we all hang up the duck and turn it into a pinata??
>
>

> Oh Mellster that sounds great, but aren't you going to find it
> tough to get a good swing wearing that giant walnut costume? ;-)

hee hee hee heeeeeeeee (snickering and giggling maniacally) You big silly
=)) that's not what I meant about being those walnuts, and you know it!!

mellster-thinking if she tried to explain that 'walnuts' line now, she'd
have to open her mouth and change feet...


mellster

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Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<34ACE0D0...@concentric.net>...


> mellster wrote:

> > So, Jeff...
> > did Michigan win today??
> >
>

> Yesss... They did.
> Jeff.

Cool! Bet that mady you happy! I didn't see any of the bowl games on New
Years Day. I'm an NFL person, myself. For some reason, I just can't dig on
the college games...
So, do ya think that Tampa Bay has a shot at the big time? Yeah, yeah, you
probably hate 'em 'cause they beat the Lions (sniff*). I'm gonna have to
root for 'em, though. I'm big on that 'underdog' thing, ya know...

mellster--who wants to see the Steelers and the Bucs this year. Wodda Super
Bowl that would be, huh??
DEE-FENSE DEE-FENSE

Jeff Talley

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mellster wrote:

> mellster--who wants to see the Steelers and the Bucs this year. Wodda
> Super
> Bowl that would be, huh??
> DEE-FENSE DEE-FENSE

Yeah I bet you would like to see the Steelers verus the Bucs. <g> But
the Bucs don't have a chance against the Pack..
And if the Steelers don't score more than 7 points per game they ain't
gonna beat anyone else either.
Outt..
Jeff.


Marblehed

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>So, do ya think that Tampa Bay has a shot at the big time?


Sorry. This cheesehed has to say that Green Bay will beat Tampa Bay. They
beat them twice (or was it three times?) this year already. Not to mention
that it is being played in Green Bay.
But maybe it will be Green Bay against the Steelers?

Steve

mellster

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Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net> wrote in article

<34AEC114...@concentric.net>...

Yeah, no kidding!!
Today's game was an aberration. And there better not be any more of 'em,
either...

mellster-still mopping up the buckets of sweat from her living room

D.P.

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Mellster,
You have great taste in NFL teams! GO BUCS! MAKE VELVEETA OUTTA THE
CHEESEHEADS!

--
Doug
"Screw you guys. I'm outta here. I draw the line at talking poo." -
Cartman, South Park Christmas Show


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mellster wrote in message <01bd185e$fa998740$22764ecf@micron>...


>
>
>Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net> wrote in article

><34ACE0D0...@concentric.net>...
>> mellster wrote:
>
> > > So, Jeff...
>> > did Michigan win today??
>> >
> >
>> Yesss... They did.
>> Jeff.
>
>Cool! Bet that mady you happy! I didn't see any of the bowl games on New
>Years Day. I'm an NFL person, myself. For some reason, I just can't dig on
>the college games...
>So, do ya think that Tampa Bay has a shot at the big time? Yeah, yeah, you
>probably hate 'em 'cause they beat the Lions (sniff*). I'm gonna have to
>root for 'em, though. I'm big on that 'underdog' thing, ya know...
>

MoonFowr28

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>This cheesehed has to say that Green Bay will beat Tampa Bay.

Who do you think Robin would route for being that he was born in Wisconsin and
now lives in Tampa?

Hmmm...food for thought

Barb

MoonFowr28

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>We'll all tell Robin what you started here, and then we'll tar and feather
>you. I'll bring the tar.
>Outt..
>Jeff.


and I'll bring the chickens!

Barb


Jeff Talley

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mellster wrote:

> Jeff Talley <smak...@concentric.net> wrote in article

> <34AEC114...@concentric.net>...


> > mellster wrote:
> >
> > > mellster--who wants to see the Steelers and the Bucs this year.
> Wodda
> > > Super
> > > Bowl that would be, huh??
> > > DEE-FENSE DEE-FENSE
> >

> > Yeah I bet you would like to see the Steelers verus the Bucs. <g>
> But
> > the Bucs don't have a chance against the Pack..
> > And if the Steelers don't score more than 7 points per game they
> ain't
> > gonna beat anyone else either.
>
>
> Yeah, no kidding!!
> Today's game was an aberration. And there better not be any more of
> 'em,
> either...
>
> mellster-still mopping up the buckets of sweat from her living room

I missed the game yesterday... How many good shots of Cowher looking
pissed did you see?Outt..
Jeff.


Jeff Talley

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MoonFowr28 wrote:

Probably not Da'Bears....Outt..
Jeff.

DaynaE

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>
>Probably not Da'Bears....Outt..
>Jeff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Those pathetic #$##$)(#*#!!!!!!!!!!! Makes you wanna switch to basketball
and Da'Bulls PERMANENTLY!

DaynaE

Rich

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Jeff Talley wrote:
>
> You mean you don't know about the tragic childhood accident Bunezuel had
> with a snapped g-string from his Hondo checkerboard bolt on Explorer?
> (**gasp**)
>
> Outt..
> Jeff.

Snapping a g-string can be painful, especially if the bouncers watching.

Rich - who probably has spent too much time in strip clubs.

Marblehed

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>Mellster,
>You have great taste in NFL teams! GO BUCS! MAKE VELVEETA OUTTA THE
>CHEESEHEADS!
>
>


Sorry. The Cheeseheads (I prefer Cheeseheds) have pulled it off.

Steve

Bunezuela

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In article <34B044...@ix.netcom.com>, Rich <rp...@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>Snapping a g-string can be painful, especially if the bouncers watching.

Be careful there, you'll put your eye out.

Randy

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Marblehed wrote:
>
> Actually, I will probably fly out of South Carolina, since it will be cheaper
> for me to fly out of there.....Not to mention that I won't have to drive in
> Atlanta.....Too much trafic for me. Lol. :)
>
> Steve>
> >I haven't booked my flight yet. It would be cool if we all could take
> >the same flight, and drink the plane dry. If you live in Augusta, would
> >you fly out of SC, or Atlanta? Just curious!

Please drive to Charlotte and fly out of there. Then I can get
drop-dead piss sloppy drunk durning the flight (yes Madam Flight
attendant, I'll take one of everything, please) When we get to
Chi-town, you can tie me to the hood of the alleged TF Shuttle, like a
dead deer. Just revive me in time for the first show.

BTW, I'm booked on the earliest AM flight out of Clt on 2/26, arriving
in Chi-town around 9:30. And since I cashed in some FF points, I'm
going even if there's no Fest (God forbid).

--
Randy

----------------------------------
One down, one to go, oh no,
playing at Trick Festival!
----------------------------------

Randy

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TPinto1595 wrote:
>
> Making the trip from Los Angeles to see MY BAND!!!

One from Charlotte, NC. Tony, how many bottles of Maurice's sauce you
want? Never mind - don't want them breaking and ruining my CT shirts.

--
Randy

-----------------------------------------------
Yes, I am a Cheap Trick fan. F*ck you!
-----------------------------------------------

Bunezuela

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In article <68qq4c$5...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Randy
<fl...@worldnet.attSPAMX.net> writes:

>Please drive to Charlotte and fly out of there. Then I can get
>drop-dead piss sloppy drunk durning the flight (yes Madam Flight
>attendant, I'll take one of everything, please) When we get to
>Chi-town, you can tie me to the hood of the alleged TF Shuttle, like a
>dead deer

"Hey stewardess, is there a movie on this flight?"
- John Candy, Stripes

Bunezuela

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In article <68quri$s...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Randy
<fl...@worldnet.attSPAMX.net> writes:

>One from Charlotte, NC. Tony, how many bottles of Maurice's sauce you
>want? Never mind - don't want them breaking and ruining my CT shirts.

Some people call me the Space Cowboy
Some call me the gangstah of love
Some people call me Maurice
'Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

[don't bother checking your Funk & Wagnalls, it's not a real word]

Marc I. Wigle

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We'll all tell Robin what you started here, and then we'll tar and
feather
you. I'll bring the tar.
Outt..
Jeff.

Yea, sure... Creampuff. What a real tuff guy... especially when you're
behind a computer screen. Care to meet me somewhere and TRY your tar and
feather routine??


D.P.

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But only if you do it right...

--
Doug
"Screw you guys. I'm outta here. I draw the line at talking poo." -
Cartman, South Park

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Bunezuela wrote in message
<19980105040...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

Jeff Talley

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Marc I. Wigle wrote:

I'll be at Trickfest...
See ya there...
Outt..
Jeff.


DaynaE

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>Yea, sure... Creampuff. What a real tuff guy... especially when you're
>behind a computer screen. Care to meet me somewhere and TRY your tar and
>feather routine??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Awww, come on Markie -- why don't you show up at Trickfest and give us EACH a
shot? I wouldn't have any second thoughts of kicking your balls up through the
roof of your mouth. That is if you actually have any balls.

DaynaE


Anais69

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In article <34AF5E...@istar.ca>, "Marc I. Wigle" <wig...@istar.ca> writes:

>>We'll all tell Robin what you started here, and then we'll tar
>>and feather you. I'll bring the tar.
>>Outt..
>>Jeff.

>Yea, sure...
>Creampuff. What a real tuff guy... especially when you're
>behind a computer screen. Care to meet me somewhere
>and TRY your tar and feather routine??

Excuse me? Who's talking about "tuff" guys hiding behind a computer screen?
A little Wigle Worm too afraid to use his own e-mail address until Dayna found
him out?

You're so pathetic, I'll put you out of your misery about Jeff. He won't harm
you.

See, he's got enough manners to let us ladies go first! After the women in
this ng each had a shot at you, there wouldn't be much left for Jeff to do but
get the garden hose and spray you off the sidewalk. Right, ladies? But don't
worry. I understand storm drains provide excellent habitat for maggots,
Wiggler.

Altov

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>
>Awww, come on Markie -- why don't you show up at Trickfest and give us EACH a
>shot? I wouldn't have any second thoughts of kicking your balls up through
>the
>roof of your mouth. That is if you actually have any balls.

Oooooh, that'll hurt!

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