Joplin's Holding Company Bandmate Dies
Mystic
James Gurley, former guitarist of Big Brother and the Holding Company,
the psychedelic blues rock band from San Francisco who assisted Janis
Joplin on her meteoric rise to fame in the late 60's has passed away
from a heart attack December 20th at the age of 69. He was two days
shy of his 70th birthday.
Born in Detroit, Michigan on December 22, 1939, Gurley took up the
guitar at the age of nineteen, practicing long hours listening to
blues, particularly fond of bluesman Lightnin' Hopkins. In 1962, he
moved to San Francisco and became part of the coffee-house circuit,
playing in the folk and country blues tradition.
In the summer of 1965, legendary promoter Chet Helms brought James to
1090 Page Street to meet Peter Albin and Sam Andrew of Big Brother and
the Holding Company, and shortly thereafter, he joined the band. In
June of 1966, Joplin joined the band, and soon aftwerwards she and
Gurley began a short lived affair.
Country Joe & The Fish lead guitarist Barry Melton called Gurley "the
Yuri Gagarin of rock & roll - the first man in space." Melton added
"there was only a handful of us that created our mini-genre of
psychedelic guitar, and James was the avatar who blazed the path for
the rest of us."
James Gurley died in a hospital in Palm Springs, California.
burtonlmb
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Sorry to hear that.
I'd always thought Melton or Garcia had created that San Francisco
psychedelic guitar sound, but I stand corrected.
musicaner
i think im the ONLY one that thought that instead of dumpin the band
they shoulda have dumped
the singer. on that one i stand alone but i could never stand her
screechin.
burtonlmb
"musicaner" <musi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, the band did continue on without her, using singers like Nick
Gravenites and Kathi McDonald. But they really weren't that fabulous a band.
They were good, but probably never would have gotten where they did without
Pearl.
I agree that a little Janis could go a long way, but what made her special
was that she put 100% into each performance, a quality we seem to see very
little of these days. In fact I'm not so sure one could call them
"performances"; I think it was more real than performed. She "bared her
soul", as they say.
Zeke
> I agree that a little Janis could go a long way, but what made her special
> was that she put 100% into each performance, a quality we seem to see very
> little of these days. In fact I'm not so sure one could call them
> "performances"; I think it was more real than performed. She "bared her
> soul", as they say.
Yeah, they were more like excorcisms.
Speaking of...with the impending death of >>>>>>> we can expect some of the
trolls and well known idiots to come over here. Has already happened a few
times in the past. Let's make a pact right now to IGNORE them.
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Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
burtonlmb
"Zeke" <kedzi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hh8fed$tio$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> "burtonlmb" <burt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I agree that a little Janis could go a long way, but what made her
>> special was that she put 100% into each performance, a quality we seem to
>> see very little of these days. In fact I'm not so sure one could call
>> them "performances"; I think it was more real than performed. She "bared
>> her soul", as they say.
>
> Yeah, they were more like excorcisms.
>
> Speaking of...with the impending death of >>>>>>> we can expect some of
> the trolls and well known idiots to come over here. Has already happened
> a few times in the past. Let's make a pact right now to IGNORE them.
Okay, okay, I'll be good.
musicaner
whats GOIN ON OVER THERE??? i pray for peace and MIDDLE EAST
an NO KISS posts here.
Mystic
>whats GOIN ON OVER THERE??? i pray for peace and MIDDLE EAST
>an NO KISS posts here.
Yea ...............please God no Kiss Postin in here..................
Zeke
> Okay, okay, I'll be good.
Well, I'm guilty as sin when it comes to engaing with my idiot.
So I can forgive you for engaging with yours.
But yeah, a good rule is to slap them over there and ignore them over here,
and that way they'll stay over there.
burtonlmb
That's about all it is over there nowadays, and that's not exaggeratin'!
Zeke
> That's about all it is over there nowadays, and that's not exaggeratin'!
Place is down for the count...
Rev & Postal got it on the ropes by consuming 90% of the bandwidth. And the
final blow was delivered with by that "Nutella" character, cross posting to
the fucking KISS board. What a dumbass move that was!!!
Time Has Come Today - Hey!
musicaner
the RUSHO LIMBO and HOWARD STERN of the BRUCE world. without any
assistance from the TELEPROMPTER.
burtonlmb
> "burtonlmb" <burt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> That's about all it is over there nowadays, and that's not exaggeratin'!
>
> Place is down for the count...
>
> Rev & Postal got it on the ropes by consuming 90% of the bandwidth. And
> the final blow was delivered with by that "Nutella" character, cross
> posting to the fucking KISS board. What a dumbass move that was!!!
>
> Time Has Come Today - Hey!
Now Nutella cross posts to the Limbaugh board. But it's about what I'd
expect from a friend of Chuckie (Postal) Pearson.
Zeke
> Now Nutella cross posts to the Limbaugh board. But it's about what I'd
> expect from a friend of Chuckie (Postal) Pearson.
Nutella lives up to his name. The whole place has gone to hell in a
handcart. Although I did have a good chuckle last week when I qouted Joni
Mitchel to Evolution (resident expert on feminism) and she thought it was
Bruce Springsteen.
colonialacres
> "burtonlmb" <burt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Now Nutella cross posts to the Limbaugh board. But it's about what I'd
>> expect from a friend of Chuckie (Postal) Pearson.
>
> Nutella lives up to his name. The whole place has gone to hell in a
> handcart. Although I did have a good chuckle last week when I qouted Joni
> Mitchel to Evolution (resident expert on feminism) and she thought it was
> Bruce Springsteen.
Yeah, I caught that. And it reminded me that when Joni Mitchell was popular
(early to mid-70's) is when lots of guys our age learned all about feminism.
Evolution acts like it's something new that we need to learn about.
Nutella seems like an okay dude, he makes some music posts at least, a rare
thing >>>> these days it seems. If he'd just knock off the cross posting
....
Zeke
> Yeah, I caught that. And it reminded me that when Joni Mitchell was
> popular (early to mid-70's) is when lots of guys our age learned all about
> feminism. Evolution acts like it's something new that we need to learn
> about.
> Nutella seems like an okay dude, he makes some music posts at least, a
> rare thing >>>> these days it seems. If he'd just knock off the cross
> posting
Yeah, Nutella's OK, he's just nutty.
Evolution has PLC. (Perpetual Lecturer's Complex).
I loved how she took the sport fucking bait, LMAO. I knew she'd grab it,
but man, she clamped down like a bass on a frog.
I don't know what's funnier, her not knowing the first fucking thing about
the single greatest feminist writer/musician of all time, or not knowing how
people who actually have sexual options (sadly, that ain't any of us, LOL)
view their appetites & habits.
musicaner
how ABOUT the GASTROINTESTINAL muscles on the head that was thought
were meant for SMILIN when in fact
were meant for CHEWIN GRASS? i dont know who would post such things.
everybody there either KNOW EVERYTHIN or KNOW that them THAT KNOW
EVERYTHIN DONT KNOW NOTHIN.!!! that cain lead to them
muscleature type of post. who she thinks created these musculatures
and their purpose thereof? the VICEROY of BOMBAY? CREATED to eat WEEDS
by the CREATOR or CREATD to celebrate by smokin weed????
and no MORE TELEPROMTERS how cain BRUCE have one and every anoymous
BAR BAND not? smoke enough weed and you grow telepromters on YOUR
EYEBALL!!
you gotta be very wary of BOARD where the MUSICALLY ELECT only know
the WHO PEARL JAM and U2. yet you ask about JONI MITCHELL or VASHI
BUNYAN and they know nothin.
musicaner
> "Zeke" <kedzieav...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hhdf1g$e85$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "burtonlmb" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Now Nutella cross posts to the Limbaugh board. But it's about what I'd
> >> expect from a friend of Chuckie (Postal) Pearson.
>
> > Nutella lives up to his name. The whole place has gone to hell in a
> > handcart. Although I did have a good chuckle last week when I qouted Joni
> > Mitchel to Evolution (resident expert on feminism) and she thought it was
> > Bruce Springsteen.
>
> Yeah, I caught that. And it reminded me that when Joni Mitchell was popular
> (early to mid-70's) is when lots of guys our age learned all about feminism.
> Evolution acts like it's something new that we need to learn about.
>
> Nutella seems like an okay dude, he makes some music posts at least, a rare
> thing >>>> these days it seems. If he'd just knock off the cross posting
> ....
i like how she feel the CATTLE FARMERS should just go and plant a crop
give up the cows.
have the COWS take out back and SHOT, in their place plant some
LEGUMES! ( cain we eat sardines?)
U2 got a new album comin out just like when they did ZOOROPA many
years ago. just the same
except for one thing: their last album TANKED like everybody elses.
thats a tough thing for the
BAND that think they are the second comin of the 3 WISE MEN. the new
upcomin album gonna
tank as well.
Mystic
>Nutella lives up to his name. The whole place has gone to hell in a
>handcart. Although I did have a good chuckle last week when I qouted Joni
>Mitchel to Evolution (resident expert on feminism) and she thought it was
>Bruce Springsteen.
LOL!! Ain't no musicology present on that board...........
burtonlmb
Just another blowhard who fancies herself an authority on many subjects, but
know nothin about humility. And that's one person who should study up on
that particular subject. Makes Longyard seem like a saint in comparison.
"U2 got a new album comin out just like when they did ZOOROPA many
years ago. just the same
except for one thing: their last album TANKED like everybody elses.
thats a tough thing for the
BAND that think they are the second comin of the 3 WISE MEN. the new
upcomin album gonna
tank as well."
I'm not a big fan (though I like their 2 most popular albums), but I watched
Bobo and Edge on the Elvis Costello show the other night. I like that Edge
fellow, a few times after Bobo spoke Edge seemed downright embarrassed.
Mystic
>"U2 got a new album comin out just like when they did ZOOROPA many
>years ago. just the same
>except for one thing: their last album TANKED like everybody elses.
>thats a tough thing for the
>BAND that think they are the second comin of the 3 WISE MEN. the new
>upcomin album gonna
>tank as well."
What do you expect when they keep going to the trough time after time.
I lost interest in thier glorified fodder years ago. They ain't about
music, their all about wizardry and showy stuff.
They tanked a long time ago in my book......................
musicaner
whoever cain SIT THRU one of their STADIUMS show has more MENTAL
FORTITUDE than i have, to have that BONO
carry on AMIDST the FLYIN SAUCER and 10 STORY STAGES is more than i
cain bear. all their future RECORDS will tank, not a single one will
sell a million units anymore or come close.
the whole music thing has become IRRELEVANT, thats the way it is.
Zeke
> you gotta be very wary of BOARD where the MUSICALLY ELECT
> only know the WHO PEARL JAM and U2. yet you ask about JONI
> MITCHELL or VASHI BUNYAN and they know nothin.
Vashti Bunyan, LOL!
Musicaner! The Pearl Jam fan tend towards musicological isolation! They
like Pearl Jam and more Pearl Jam with their Pearl Jam. Maybe some Red Hot
Chilli Pepper on the side to sprinkle on the Pearl Jam.
Sometimes they like some Pearl Jam associated bands. This mean the ones
that open for the Pearl Jam concert, like that Idlewild. I give credit to
the Pearl Jam singer, he tries to edukate 'em on the musicological
influences but it's a NO GO! Other than Neil Young and The Who they
stickin' pretty close to Pearl Jam ONLY! Best not venture far afield!
I never forget one of 'em wimin Pearl Jammers posting ain't no way "some
album called Astral Weeks" could be all that influential (like Rolling Stone
article insist) because she was up TO SPEED on all things musicalogical and
she ain't never heard of no album called Astral Weeks!
musicaner
theres such A THING as PEARL JAM associated BANDS?? do they all sing
like DRACULA? that must be some listenin EXPERIENCE the PEARL JAM
ASSOCIATE BANDS??? BONO and EDDIE similar excpet i dont think BONO
owns
BERMUDA shorts.
you caint be MUSICOLOGICAL if you listen TO THAT PEARL JAM
JEEEREEEEMIII SPOOOOOOKEN type of thing
that stuff kills your muscial DNA right off.
Zeke
> theres such A THING as PEARL JAM associated BANDS??
Yup. And good thing too, or it would be all Pearl Jam all the time.
> BONO and EDDIE similar excpet i dont think BONO owns BERMUDA shorts.
Nah. Eddie was Bonoesque back innaday. STRIDENT! WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT
THING! NO GROUPIES ALLOWED!!! Can you imagine? You do everything to get
inna rock band and the singer say you cain't have your daily dick suck after
the show? That would blow! Imagine there's no groupies. It isn't hard to
do. I'm a real big rock star. And just as borin' as you! But he better
now. He at ease with hisself. 'Suppose he gettin' his dick sucked? LMAO!
Whereas Bono still Bono.
> you caint be MUSICOLOGICAL if you listen TO THAT PEARL JAM
> JEEEREEEEMIII SPOOOOOOKEN type of thing
> that stuff kills your muscial DNA right off.
I think it's "Jeremy spoke in," not "spoken". As in "Jeremy spoke
in...claaaaaass today."
But don't quote me on that 'cause I *have* heard of Astral Weeks.
musicaner
you learn somethin everyday!! so JEREMY SPOKE IN SCHOOL instead of
JEREMY SPOKEN like if he was PATTON or somebody gonna put you in a
BROOM CLOSET!!! it had that AWFUL video where JEREMY pulled heat on
the class !!!
BRUCE aint got no groupies after the show either, now you have to
undestand that dont mean that you caint have em before durin and after
at the HOTEL on the ROOF TOP!! you have to manage that type of thing
correctly lest you have a situation where when you are 55 and become a
golfer everybody GOES on the TV on you.
at least u2 got that LIKE A ROLLING STONE knock off and a couple of
other numbers but PEARL JAM you cain discern a single song from
listenin to 5 hr of their 'music'.
Zeke
> you learn somethin everyday!! so JEREMY SPOKE IN SCHOOL
> instead of JEREMY SPOKEN like if he was PATTON
Exactly.
> or somebody gonna put you in a BROOM CLOSET!!!
Did you read about that coach in TX who went and put that young fella in the
broom closet for havin been concussed? What kinda coach do something like
that? That TX place ain't NORMAL.
> it had that AWFUL video where JEREMY pulled heat on the class !!!
Yeah, but I think he only shot himself, not the rest of 'em. That the way
to go for the disaffected youth. They shoot themselves we make a video of
'em. They shoot others and we don't. I may have to run on that platform.
> BRUCE aint got no groupies after the show either,
Well I been to the Bruce show and I think this may be for matter of personal
protection! I bet if he in the Pearl Jam band he may soon change his mind!
> now you have to undestand that dont mean that you caint have em before
> durin
> and after at the HOTEL on the ROOF TOP!! you have to manage that type of
> thing
> correctly lest you have a situation where when you are 55 and become a
> golfer
> everybody GOES on the TV on you.
If you're gonna dance you gotta pay the band...
> at least u2 got that LIKE A ROLLING STONE knock off and a couple of
> other numbers but PEARL JAM you cain discern a single song from
> listenin to 5 hr of their 'music'.
LOL. True. True!
But I still do like a lot of it.
I guess I got a BERMUDA SHORTS sorta side to me from time to time.
musicaner
BRUCE problem is the he got TOO MANY of the JERSEY GROUPIE. hes
playin in OKLAHOMA and all the PIT groupies are from JERSEY. thats
probably a downer after a while. mess up your mind, bein in alaska and
everyone
you meet just in from JERSEY.
the WHOLE SPORTS thing goes right over my head. 100 sports channels
talkin non stop nonsense. you would think that the FATE OF THE WORLD
is in the balance at one of em sports bowls when its folk throwin a
ball around.
them college coaches should not get paid they should get a scholarship
just like the players. tone down the whole thing.
it think PEARL JAM should induct U2 in the HALL OF FAME. fair is fair
musicaner
also BIG PASS on "AVATAR"!! if i could dissect a little bit, and MIND
YOU i aint seen it and dont expect to see it and if ever see it i will
1-walk out after 5 min and/or 2-fall asleep after 3 minutes.
heres some good dissectin for ya:
1 its made by the same fellow that did that AWFUL TITANIC movie. the
DECARPIO fellow wasnt happy livin he aint give up until he found
himself frozen to death, and that was a HOOT tossin a TRILLION dollar
necklage in the deep dark ocean when they coulda have built a BIG
HOSPITAL or/and LIVE it up. ill never forgive myself for watchin that
movie.
2- the new thing is to have everythin look like a CARTOON. they call
it "CREATIN a new WORLD". they got this BLU RAY that makes THE
GODFATHER look like TOM and JERRY. personally i prefer BW movies or
even old ELVIS movies like KID GALAHAD, where ELVIS is a boxer that
cain KNOCK out men 10 time his size.
3- nowadays you need to only watch the first 2 min of a movie to know
whats gonna happen, its the same old plot. if you act IGNORANT all
will be end up ROSES in the end, while in the real world you break
your leg and the FOOTBALL COACH will drop you in the ocean with cement
shoes since he caint make his BONUS. and the FANS ( many 400 lbs that
couldnt jump for lack of a heart attack) callin on the phone defendin
the COACH and attackin the kids. maybe if you get injured you should
just get shot, scratch that, maybe you should be taken for a little
ride around the block.
i read in the BRUCE board that there someone called RED CLOUD that
says all movies are garbage. kudos to him.(except that JOHN CUSAK
movie about the end of the world where he navigates a WINNEBAGO over
explodin
VOLCANOES, that one is great, creates a whole NEW WORLD to get lost in
i suppose.)
musicaner
Zeke
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ROFLMFAO! So many hilarious moments I won't bother singling them out, the
whole thing a masterpiece of comic insight. Proving again that nobody does
musicaner voice and musicaner point of view like real musicaner. (I
shouldn't even allow myself to get in the mood, LOL).
Mystic
>also BIG PASS on "AVATAR"!! if i could dissect a little bit, and MIND
>YOU i aint seen it and dont expect to see it and if ever see it i will
>1-walk out after 5 min and/or 2-fall asleep after 3 minutes.
Big PASS on that one, 3-D and all makin folks pay extra to get a
headache and a good dose of brain transformation and mind controll
suggestions.....................
All movies suck today , got no one written good scripts, story told in
first couple of minutes. Give me those old B&W flicks with good actin
and good story lines. Skip the special mind control effects...........
musicaner
i just read there that those MOVIE REVIEWERS that MAKE A LIVING offa
the MOVIE business gave it RAVE REVIEWS> well let me get into that
BUSINESS and ill give it a BIG RAVE review, call in a masterpiece
where
you get lost in the NEW WORLD. but until i get the check and gets
cashed ill go ahead an skip.
Mystic
>
>
>i just read there that those MOVIE REVIEWERS that MAKE A LIVING offa
>the MOVIE business gave it RAVE REVIEWS> well let me get into that
>BUSINESS and ill give it a BIG RAVE review, call in a masterpiece
>where
>you get lost in the NEW WORLD. but until i get the check and gets
>cashed ill go ahead an skip.
That's what them reviewers get the $$$$$$ for given RAVE reviews even
if it's a SUCKY movie. NO honesty involving SUCKY movies only $$$$$
Do the talkin today............................
musicaner
> "burtonlmb" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > was that she put 100% into each performance, a quality we seem to see very
> > little of these days. In fact I'm not so sure one could call them
> > "performances"; I think it was more real than performed. She "bared her
> > soul", as they say.
>
> Yeah, they were more like excorcisms.
>
> Speaking of...with the impending death of >>>>>>> we can expect some of the
> trolls and well known idiots to come over here. Has already happened a few
> times in the past. Let's make a pact right now to IGNORE them.
>
> Better bring your own redemption when you come
> To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
> Jackson Browne
what happened to all the FOLK who posted there??? where is BAD COG?
lotta color that BAD COG had, insulted folk pretty good, folk took it
bad when he INSULTED YOU but they should have took as a compliment? he
made that IFFY movie with the guy who shot someone in the CAFETERIA,
what other movie has he done? has he made his first BILLION DOLLARS?
would like to co write a documentary with him iabout life in the BRUCE
pit and pit lines.
how about the ORACLE? moved on or on tour with PEARL JAM? and that
BLUE TELEVISON fellow with the guitar?
gone? the NEW GUY? gone?
MAHLER still there thank god, to keep whats left of that group
grounded.
musicaner
no sense in even THINKIN about goin to the movies anymore. and not
only are they BAD they are INCOHERENT, the plot bein the same they
gotta pile in stuff that makes no sense just to fill up the
90 min. and nobody IN the movie cares about money they ALTRUISTIC!!!
burtonlmb
Most of the arrogant snob clique phoneys have moved on to Facebook or some
such place where it's tougher to find (and who in their right mind would
want to?). Easier to keep us riff-raff away. They done moved from the
neighborhood bar to the country club lounge.
susan
> Most of the arrogant snob clique phoneys have moved on to Facebook or some
> such place where it's tougher to find (and who in their right mind would
> want to?). Easier to keep us riff-raff away. They done moved from the
> neighborhood bar to the country club lounge
Burt-for what it's worth, there was a fairly large exodus around
2002/2003 to a private group that qualifies/qualified (I don't know if
it still exists) far more as a country club that Facebook does. To
me, RMAS could be the greatest Wild West bar, where you never know who
you'll run into or meet, fall in love with or punch out, laugh with,
learn from-but that's the ideal, not the real. Overall, there needs
to be a lot more Live and Let Live attitude than certain people can
tolerate, for it to flourish. Facebook is a ghetto of sorts-a safe
quarantine, but that adjective is something a lot of people need more
than a little of, including me.
imo,
susan
musicaner
> "musicaner" <musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
TOUGH to find? who is lookin?
the MORAL BACKBONE of the BRUCE BOARD gone to the FACEBOOK??!!! they
got CHURCH on SUNDAY over there?
Zeke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
what happened to all the FOLK who posted there??? where is BAD COG?
lotta color that BAD COG had, insulted folk pretty good, folk took it
bad when he INSULTED YOU but they should have took as a compliment? he
made that IFFY movie with the guy who shot someone in the CAFETERIA,
what other movie has he done? has he made his first BILLION DOLLARS?
would like to co write a documentary with him iabout life in the BRUCE
pit and pit lines.
how about the ORACLE? moved on or on tour with PEARL JAM? and that
BLUE TELEVISON fellow with the guitar?
gone? the NEW GUY? gone?
MAHLER still there thank god, to keep whats left of that group
grounded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I scan and try to find the interesting threads, not much to choose from...
musicaner
are ALL of em on the SAME FACEBOOKS or they got separate ones? if they
are on THE SAME ONE thats gotta
BE ONE WHALE of a FACEBOOK to be able to carry so much weight. and
they INVITED the ORACLE on it to
BERATE EM??? some things just dont make no sense.
Zeke
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are ALL of em on the SAME FACEBOOKS or they got separate ones? if they
are on THE SAME ONE thats gotta
BE ONE WHALE of a FACEBOOK to be able to carry so much weight. and
they INVITED the ORACLE on it to
BERATE EM??? some things just dont make no sense.
I don't know nothing about no Facebook. Ain't been on it. Although more &
more business people are using it nowadays and seems like every day more
people insisting you gotta follow this or that MATTER OF EXTREEEEME IMPORT
on the "social networks" like Facebook and Twitter. The whole thing seem a
little nuts to me, but I suppose anohter 6 months and I'll be forced to sign
up or get LEFT BEHIND! I'm hoping I retire before that happen.
burtonlmb
"susan" <frogan...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:591f0957-f74a-4fd0...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Isn't the bottom line that you wish to keep certain people out?
burtonlmb
Probably not that tough, but I'm not looking. I don't know a thing about it.
Don't want to.
susan
> Isn't the bottom line that you wish to keep certain people out?
on Facebook? Yes-tho each person can set their privacy (within some
limits) as open or closed as they wish. Everything you share there
can be viewed by anyone or by no one, but the bottom line is that
there is control-whereas here on usenet, generally, what you share is
visible to anyone.
There are things I like a lot about Facebook, but as a medium for
discussions among a wide range of people over a longer period of time
without the visitor/guest mentality that's a reality on FB-nothing
beats usenet, imo. If people can manage to put up with (or better
yet, just ignore when necessary) a diverse range of ideas, attitudes,
and idiosynchrosies (sp?). But that's a rarity, anywhere that humans
mingle, from what I've seen.
susan
burtonlmb
"If people can manage to put up with (or better
yet, just ignore when necessary) a diverse range of ideas, attitudes,
and idiosynchrosies (sp?). But that's a rarity, anywhere that humans
mingle, from what I've seen."
I kinda see that as the whole point of posting on usenet; listening
to/reading/contributing diverse points of view. Otherwise, if it's all one's
pals, doesn't it have the potential problem of just becoming kind of a
"circle jerk"?
Mystic
>
>I don't know nothing about no Facebook. Ain't been on it. Although more &
>more business people are using it nowadays and seems like every day more
>people insisting you gotta follow this or that MATTER OF EXTREEEEME IMPORT
>on the "social networks" like Facebook and Twitter. The whole thing seem a
>little nuts to me, but I suppose anohter 6 months and I'll be forced to sign
>up or get LEFT BEHIND! I'm hoping I retire before that happen.
Seem like that Facebook thing cuts out diversity of opinion, sort of a
commy community if you know what what I mean. Me, I enjoy the little
spats from time to time, pretty boring if everyone agrees on the same
subject!
susan
> "susan" <frogandtoa...@msn.com> wrote in message
Circle jerk? lol, sounding downright Rev-like there Burt! (just don't
start up on nailin palin, ok?) I agree-that is the beauty of usenet-
the potential for a wide discussion. But it's only a potential, so
for people who don't need or want the wider discussion that much, or
who find the downsides of it repelling-Facebook is sufficient, and
better if you're looking for a space that's less abrasive and filled
with people who (more or less, hopefully) like you.
to be blunt tho-if circle jerks aren't what you're looking for-what's
with this place (a.m.b.s.)? It's basically the same 3 or 4 people,
who all like and respect each other, and only disagree on mostly taste-
neutral subjects. It's not that welcoming here to the outsider, esp.
if they ever read the consistent criticism of RMAS and specific
individuals. I've posted here often and been totally ignored. (which
may well have been because I was just the most boring person in the
room, I'll acknowledge that.)
and-how does expending large quantities of time and psychic energy to
re-educating or harranging certain regular posters on RMAS create a
more open atmosphere for discussion? Has anyone's thinking been
altered by that approach? How many good topics have layed fallow
while energy was emptied into the same sparring matches with the same
people as occured 5 years ago? How many people got the message that
if they voiced an opinion too far off the straight and narrow that
they'd be given the not so subtle hint to get lost, so therefore
didn't bother to voice their thoughts? What would RMAS look like if
enough people had the self control to ignore people they think are
wrong/crazy/stupid, and instead put their effort into making it a more
interesting, stimulating place?
I wonder, but I think I'm in the minority-many have just given up and
gone off to the splendid isolation of Facebook or a private group, and
enough think they somehow need to control who hangs out where and what
does and doesn't get discussed.
circle jerk indeed.
susan
Zeke
circle jerk indeed.
susan
------------------------
Good post. Make me wonder, where would Warren Zevon choose to hang his hat?
However, I could make the same argument about certain subject matters being
just as much an energy drain as certain posters. In the end we all have our
reasons for going here or there, or not going anywhere.
I'll continue to check out both newsgroups as long as they're around, and
will prolly continue to engage in the almighty online spat from time to
time, especially with certain posters.
As for the private newsgroup thang, been there done that, those places are
too polite for my blood.
musicaner
i dont KNOW how they cain GO TO THE FACEBOOK when the FOLK who left
mostly i suppose left ON ACCOUNT of others WHO ALSO LEFT!!! i dont
THINK the MORAL BACKBONE of the BRUCE board that left has any qualms
with
the folk left there at the BRUCE board. probably they object that folk
continue not to care about their exalted status.
FOLK who come here in an EXALTED STATUS but dont have MUSICOLOGY in
em, are likely to get a bit DISEXALTED here, no doubt. you caint have
DOUBLE RESIDENCY your SUPER VIP MORAL BACKGROUND at the BRUCE board
dont transfer here. that the way of the COMPUTER BOARDS!!
musicaner
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:15:03 -0800 (PST), musicaner
>
> <musica...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i dont KNOW how they cain GO TO THE FACEBOOK when the FOLK who left
> >mostly i suppose left ON ACCOUNT of others WHO ALSO LEFT!!! i dont
> >THINK the MORAL BACKBONE of the BRUCE board that left has any qualms
> >with
> >the folk left there at the BRUCE board. probably they object that folk
> >continue not to care about their exalted status.
> >FOLK who come here in an EXALTED STATUS but dont have MUSICOLOGY in
> >em, are likely to get a bit DISEXALTED here, no doubt. you caint have
> >DOUBLE RESIDENCY your SUPER VIP MORAL BACKGROUND at the BRUCE board
> >dont transfer here. that the way of the COMPUTER BOARDS!!
>
>
> LMAO - where did you come up with that word?
the become DISINFLATED , which is the same thing. they come here as
if their REPUTATION PRECEEDS(sp) em!!
like they expect somebody to roll out the RED CARPET as if it was the
AVATAR PREMIER. we aint got no carpet and we aint watched AVATAR.
burtonlmb
On Jan 3, 11:32 am, "burtonlmb" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "susan" <frogandtoa...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8b7de1d3-53e4-4d4c...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> "If people can manage to put up with (or better
> yet, just ignore when necessary) a diverse range of ideas, attitudes,
> and idiosynchrosies (sp?). But that's a rarity, anywhere that humans
> mingle, from what I've seen."
>
> I kinda see that as the whole point of posting on usenet; listening
> to/reading/contributing diverse points of view. Otherwise, if it's all
> one's
> pals, doesn't it have the potential problem of just becoming kind of a
> "circle jerk"?
"to be blunt tho-if circle jerks aren't what you're looking for-what's
with this place (a.m.b.s.)? It's basically the same 3 or 4 people,
who all like and respect each other, and only disagree on mostly taste-
neutral subjects."
Damn, I knew you were gonna say that! Simply untrue.
This place is totally public, it's usenet. Nobody is kept out of this place.
They choose not to stay. Many people read, but would never admit it; it's
very uncool on RMAS to admit you think Musicaner is funny, or whatever.
We're considered "the loonies".
" It's not that welcoming here to the outsider, esp.
if they ever read the consistent criticism of RMAS and specific
individuals."
Nah. Those criticized are the people who wouldn't "lower" themselves to stay
here anyway. The people who tried their best to villify (sp?) Musicaner and
Ms. Mystic and Jeff when they were on RMAS. The in crowd; I think you know
the group.
" I've posted here often and been totally ignored. (which
may well have been because I was just the most boring person in the
room, I'll acknowledge that.)"
Huh? I certainly don't ignore you. Here if somebody doesn't respond, it's
probably because they have nothing to say on the particular subject (I mean
shit, there's only 4 of us!). If you're ignored on RMAS, what with all the
many people who could respond, it's usually because you don't fit in with
the powers that be; you become a pariah.
I come here because there's a chance somebody might respond to my posts (the
snobbery factor doesn't exist here), and because there's actually a larger
percentage of music discussed than over there.
"and-how does expending large quantities of time and psychic energy to
re-educating or harranging certain regular posters on RMAS create a
more open atmosphere for discussion? Has anyone's thinking been
altered by that approach? How many good topics have layed fallow
while energy was emptied into the same sparring matches with the same
people as occured 5 years ago? How many people got the message that
if they voiced an opinion too far off the straight and narrow that
they'd be given the not so subtle hint to get lost, so therefore
didn't bother to voice their thoughts? What would RMAS look like if
enough people had the self control to ignore people they think are
wrong/crazy/stupid, and instead put their effort into making it a more
interesting, stimulating place?"
Yep, you gotta have guts and tolerance and a little crazy in you to post on
usenet. I'm too fucking stubborn to let those bastards break my spirit, but
I can see how many would simply give up.
"I wonder, but I think I'm in the minority-many have just given up and
gone off to the splendid isolation of Facebook or a private group, and
enough think they somehow need to control who hangs out where and what
does and doesn't get discussed.
circle jerk indeed."
As bad as the usenet groups can be, the private groups are worse, at least
the one I tried. Diverse opinions were not welcome, and if the leader didn't
like you, you were gone. Hopefully Facebook and the like aren't quite as
exclusive. But I have my doubts. I see exclusive as a negative term, not a
positive.
musicaner
how cain BRUCE have STOLE the line "I COME and STAND at every
DOOR"!!???? thats like sayin if hes writin a song
he caint use "I LOVE YOU" since its been already used. the WRESTLER is
the STANDOUT TRACK on that last record and one of my favs and his best
MOVIE SONG.
as far as BRUCE DOGGIE songs there too many to mention. LT and HT and
specially RISIN is full of em. that FUSE number is just AWFUL so is
that LIVING PROOF song. a better question would be leavin out those 3
records and maybe GREETINS what would be his worst song. i would go
with COVER ME and ADAM RAISED a CAIN, this latter doggie bein the
father of that LIVIN PROOF song.