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McIrish
it.This is the first Black Metal record I've bought and now I'm looking
for more.But like any genre of music there is good stuff and complete
shit.I'm trying to avoid the shit.
As a kid I listened to Iron Maiden,Motorhead and the like but stopped
listening to metal as it became kind of stupid,you know Poison,Warrant
and so on.
The Burzum record suprised me with the droning distorted guitars.and
ambient synth tracks. The aggression mixes with the kind of art damaged
wall of noise that even a old fucker like me can get into.
I don't really care about speed,unless it works with song,I got all
that out my system with Black Flag and Hardcore. Also the Cookie
Monster vocal effect I find kind of boring.
I guess Burzum mixed with John Zorn and ambient noise is what I'm
after. Is there such things or is Filosofem one of a kind? Thanks.
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Hvis Lyset Tar Oss led to Filosofem. It has 4 songs, including a 15 min one that is Burzum's best. It also has a
ambient track.
Det Som Engang Var and Burzum/Aske are also good. There is a ambient-esque track on Aske too. Check out
www.burzum.com for sound samples and more info. Also, burzum has two ambient cds: Daudi Baldrs, and Hildjaf (i
know i misspelled it), which is out this month.
As for other bands in that vein, I can't think of any others that are real close. DarkThrone also uses simplistic
yet brutal riffs, but the vocals are more grim and and has terrible yet wonderful production. You might want to
check out their Transylvanian Hunger cd.
Hope this helps
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JuliaMG00
I listen to Dimmu Borger, thus I am untrue.
John Chedsey
>
> Try Mortiis, not Black Metal at all, but ambient, former member of Emperor
If you're going to go that direction, skip Mortiis and try something
more interesting like In the Nursery.
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sha...@aol.com says...
> I guess Burzum mixed with John Zorn and ambient noise is what I'm
> after. Is there such things or is Filosofem one of a kind? Thanks.
Well, you can't go wrong with "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" or "Daudi Baldrs",
both also by Burzum. "Hvis..." is similiar in tone to "Filosfem" but,
IMHO, superior to it. "Daudi Baldrs" is an entirely synth-based album
which I suppose might not be quite what you're after. Opinions are
divided on that one, but I think it's quite excellent...
"Written In Waters" by Ved Buens Ende is a must-have. It's a superb mix
of noise, jazz, folk, blues, metal and God knows what else but without
sounding pretensious or forced. It's a tremendously hypnotic album and
well worth your time.
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JuliaMG00
actually quite beatiful, yet really hateful at the same time.
Annatar Gorthaur
>
> Well, I agree with listening to Mortiis if you want ambient. But who cares about my opinion?
!!
I don't give a damn about your "opinion"...
I do care about your observations, your interpretations, your arguments
and your conclusions.
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nargot
waters" but is alot shorter tho
Sybren
> Hey.I recently bought Burzem's "Filosofem" and am really digging
>it.This is the first Black Metal record I've bought and now I'm looking
>for more.But like any genre of music there is good stuff and complete
>shit.I'm trying to avoid the shit.
Good thing. 99% of the currently popular Black Metal wave is
dressed-up rock'n'roll anyway.
> As a kid I listened to Iron Maiden,Motorhead and the like but stopped
>listening to metal as it became kind of stupid,you know Poison,Warrant
>and so on.
> The Burzum record suprised me with the droning distorted guitars.and
>ambient synth tracks. The aggression mixes with the kind of art damaged
>wall of noise that even a old fucker like me can get into.
> I don't really care about speed,unless it works with song,I got all
>that out my system with Black Flag and Hardcore. Also the Cookie
>Monster vocal effect I find kind of boring.
> I guess Burzum mixed with John Zorn and ambient noise is what I'm
>after. Is there such things or is Filosofem one of a kind? Thanks.
Filosofem is definitely one of a kind, but you might enjoy the others:
Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss", "Burzum/Aske" and "Det Som Engang Var"
And Graveland "Immortal Pride" or "Following the Voice of Blood", Sort
Vokter "Folkloric Necro Metal", Summoning "Dol Guldur" - these fit the
droning/ambient/istorted guitar category best I guess. Darkthrone
"Transilvanian Hunger" might also be interesting, this is
hallucinating, minimalistic and repetitive fast Black Metal without
synths. Ved Buens Ende "Those Who Caress The Pale" and "Written In
Waters" are also a good, with dissonant riffing and jazz-like tempi.
Beware that other releases by the bands mentioned above are often
*totally* different and not ambient at all.
There are a few samples of Graveland here, in MP3 format:
http://darkwolf.black.art.pl/~hatred/Graveland/gl-samples.html
And KCUF radio has a Black Ambient show online:
http://www.kcuf.org/radio/files/blackambient1.ram (RealAudio)
http://www.kcuf.org/radio/files/blackambient1.mp3 (MP3)
featuring Graveland, Summoning and Burzum.
A good mailorder distro for these would be www.blackmetal.com , as you
won't find most of this anywhere except in a few specialized stores.
Others might be able to give more recommendations for mailorder
distros.
Sybren
Svartedaun
>of noise, jazz, folk, blues, metal and God knows what else but without
>sounding pretensious or forced. It's a tremendously hypnotic album and
>well worth your time.
>
>
I was going to say that.. Dammit... Best post pioneer BM album in existence...
Definitely get this! I dont really hear the blues but I do hear a lot of
atonality... Its more like ambient fusion dissonance, quirky and avant garde..
I'm the operator with my pocket calculator
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convinced that National Socialist ideology is essential in order to keep
black metal out of the hands of children like Jewlia.
The Rattler
svart...@aol.com says...
[re: my Ved Buens Ende comments]
> I was going to say that.. Dammit... Best post pioneer BM album in existence.
I'm going to have to agree with you on that.
> Definitely get this! I dont really hear the blues but I do hear a lot of
> atonality...
Yes, I didn't mention the atonality but you're right. As for blues,
listen again to "It's Magic". Very bluesy, IMHO.
> Its more like ambient fusion dissonance, quirky and avant garde..
Well, yes, it's that as well as all the things I said it was. We could
sit here and type several thousand lines just trying to classify it into
a single genre. ;)
John Chedsey
This coming from someone who named himself after a smurf character.
And they say comedy is dead.
Gargame...@webtv.net
Which, of course, leads us to another reference to Jewlia. Hee hee hee.
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kcufs...@my-dejanews.com
> I guess Burzum mixed with John Zorn and ambient noise is what I'm
> after. Is there such things or is Filosofem one of a kind? Thanks.
John Zorn is a fucking idiot. You want Burzum and Ornette Coleman, maybe some
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> John Zorn is a fucking idiot. You want Burzum and Ornette Coleman, > maybe some
> K.K. Null.
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Dave Moore
wrote:
>JuliaMG00 wrote:
>>
>> Try Mortiis, not Black Metal at all, but ambient, former member of Emperor
>
>If you're going to go that direction, skip Mortiis and try something
>more interesting like In the Nursery.
>
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Alternatively try Endura or Inade....
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JcSeer
>Which, of course, leads us to another reference to Jewlia. Hee hee hee.
I'm beginning to think Gargamel IS Jewly Goo
Matt. 5:11-12Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me.Rejoice and be glad, because
great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the
prophets who were before you
Svartedaun
Appearently you havent heard works like Aporias: Requia for Piano and Orchestra
or Elegy... Bela would be proud... Much more haunting and intense than a lot of
the praised BM 'gods' on these boards... Especially Graveland and Emperor...
kcufs...@my-dejanews.com
I doubt he has any such ability, but will at some point hear such works - he
strikes me as a very aesthetic composer who, despite his complexity, is
disunified by his lack of unified belief.
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Svartedaun
>strikes me as a very aesthetic composer who, despite his complexity, is
>disunified by his lack of unified belief.
You could possibly be right... But I personally adhere to the belief that
coherency, immediacy and universalism are overrated concepts in art, therefor I
enjoy completely unsubstantial chaos like Mr. Zorn composes... Leave those
aspects for POP music, it has more worth to spectators of commodity
entertainment than the interactive art enthusiasts... There is far too much
whining over aestheticism in this group, when in truth extreme music is just
the flip side of the 'mass idealism' perception of aesthetics, which in turn is
still aesthetics no matter how you view it...
kcufs...@my-dejanews.com
> >he
> >strikes me as a very aesthetic composer who, despite his complexity, is
> >disunified by his lack of unified belief.
>
> You could possibly be right... But I personally adhere to the belief that
> coherency, immediacy and universalism are overrated concepts in art, therefor
I
> enjoy completely unsubstantial chaos like Mr. Zorn composes...
Ah. There are two sides to postmodernism:
1) Postmodernism as an evolution of modernism in which structure is taken to a
non-linear level, thus affirming objectivity as an outreach of subjectivity if
coherence with observed principles of chaos/quantum is in order.
2) Postmodernism as post-Dada anti-structuralism, which is where Mr. Zorn and
his band of collagers fit. This to my mind is a cop-out.
> Leave those
> aspects for POP music, it has more worth to spectators of commodity
> entertainment than the interactive art enthusiasts... There is far too much
> whining over aestheticism in this group, when in truth extreme music is just
> the flip side of the 'mass idealism' perception of aesthetics, which in turn
is
> still aesthetics no matter how you view it...
See above. We argue about aesthetics because we are literally from the "other
side" than the hopelessness.
> I'm the operator with my pocket calculator
What do you think Kraftwerk would think of this? Or... Devo?
Destro Soze
kcufs...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > You could possibly be right... But I personally adhere to the belief that
> > coherency, immediacy and universalism are overrated concepts in art, therefor
> > I enjoy completely unsubstantial chaos like Mr. Zorn composes...
I think he might disagree with you in some instances...
Much of his music takes the very direct approach.
Masada is like a watered down Ornette Coleman quartet playing
klezmer... Half the first Naked City album is straight up fusion...
Obviously even the most out-there composers still see the vitality
in immediate accessibility...
if only to avoid the descent into jazz snobberey, perhaps...
>
> Ah. There are two sides to postmodernism:
>
> 1) Postmodernism as an evolution of modernism in which structure is taken to a
> non-linear level, thus affirming objectivity as an outreach of subjectivity if
> coherence with observed principles of chaos/quantum is in order.
>
> 2) Postmodernism as post-Dada anti-structuralism, which is where Mr. Zorn and
> his band of collagers fit. This to my mind is a cop-out.
>
I think some of John Zorn's compositions are arguably in the former
category... or at least make a concerted effort to explore that territory...
That is if it is conceivable to make non-linear music, which is tricky
since music is wholly temporal in nature. You can't experience a song
all at once or from different angles (not literally) because songs evolve
over time.
So with music I think a "non-linear" approach informed with quantum
mechanics could be more along the lines of the work of John Cage,
but for the sake of my argument, I will also submit the semi-science
of Anthony Braxton.
I think that on some of John Zorn's work, he tries to dip into the
Braxton aesthetic, only without the sliderules and diagram titles.
Admittedly I think he takes a more thuggish approach to the form,
but that doesn't disqualify the concept.
>
> > Leave those
> > aspects for POP music, it has more worth to spectators of commodity
> > entertainment than the interactive art enthusiasts... There is far too much
> > whining over aestheticism in this group, when in truth extreme music is just
> > the flip side of the 'mass idealism' perception of aesthetics, which in turn
> is
> > still aesthetics no matter how you view it...
>
> See above. We argue about aesthetics because we are literally from the "other
> side" than the hopelessness.
>
> > I'm the operator with my pocket calculator
>
> What do you think Kraftwerk would think of this? Or... Devo?
>
Well Kraftwerk started out sounding like stoner music and Devo's
albums are amalgams of Subgenius style pop culture inversion,
but they both still stick to basically pop-rock oriented formats... and
they both seem to be currently making valiant efforts to keep up with
the times or stay ahead of them.
So I guess they are... uhh.. postmodern?
scot