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Compchick

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May 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/11/99
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I didn't get the chance to see today... did we make it? Did Sometimes A Fantasy
get played?

I think we should continue with Sometimes A Fantasy until it gets played. After
SaF, is Allentown okay?

The Mocked One
"Always ready for the next barrage... not that there has to be a next
barrage..."

Devils744

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May 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/12/99
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What is the big deal about trying to get Billy on MTV. MTV sucks and even if
the votes were there MTV would not but Billy on because it isn't rap. It's a
dead issue so stop wasting your time.

Christine A Tarbet

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May 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/12/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 12-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Devi...@aol.com
> What is the big deal about trying to get Billy on MTV. MTV sucks and even
> if
> the votes were there MTV would not but Billy on because it isn't rap. It'
> s a
> dead issue so stop wasting your time.

Actually, yes they would. The majority of what MTV plays isn't rap anyways.

Christine

VertigoMan

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May 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/12/99
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>Actually, yes they would. The majority of what MTV plays isn't rap anyways.

The majority is, afterall, mundane excuses for television shows.


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Christine A Tarbet

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May 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/12/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 12-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Verti...@aol.com
> The majority is, afterall, mundane excuses for television shows.

Yes, except Real World, dammit!

I stand by my love of the show...

Christine
ps. Have you ever seen Daria or Tom Green? I think it is good.

Bad-- the Blame Game, Road Rules, Video Cliches, etc...

Devils744

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May 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/13/99
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Are you watching the same MTV I am? The only time I don't see rap is on Total
Request which is just a pathetic show. I don't know whats worse rap or seeing
the Backstreet Boys or Nysnc over and over again. Can anyone say the next New
Kids On The Block.

Christine A Tarbet

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May 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/13/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 13-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Devi...@aol.com
> Are you watching the same MTV I am? The only time I don't see rap is on T
> otal
> Request which is just a pathetic show. I don't know whats worse rap or se
> eing
> the Backstreet Boys or Nysnc over and over again. Can anyone say the next
> New
> Kids On The Block.
>

Yes, I actually watch MTV quite a bit. They play a lot of R&B, but rap
(unless it is really popular, like Eminem) is usually delegated to YO!
and sometimes Most Requested Jams.

MTV airs original programming most of the time. The vids, though, run
the gammit. But have you ever watched Amp, 120 minutes, or even After
Dark? There is a lot more than rap played on MTV.

Christine

Compchick

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May 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/13/99
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I didn't quote, because this has only the topic in common with what has been
previously said. I think this isn't working because we aren't all voting. It'll
be fun to try this, and to keep trying it; something for the group to do as
just that -- a group. I think we should all participate, and if that doesn't
work, get some outside help. I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and
now that the subject has been brought up, I don't want to let it die. Let's all
keep voting for Sometimes A Fantasy every day, multiple times, until they play
it.

Kama99

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May 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/14/99
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Guys, come on, I know you're all smart people, but in all honesty, what do you
really think are the chances that MTV has Sometimes A Fantasy in their video
archive?

I think repeat voting is a great idea, but I only think it will work if you
pick a video that MTV has actually played. If you're going to do it, pick
something more common - I'm telling you, WDSTF is the best choice because I
KNOW MTV has it in their posession, I've seen it played before. I have never
seen them play Fantasy.

Just a side note:
When I was voting on Monday, I noticed that MTV posts its daily lineup. Notice
that, aside from TRL, the only time they really play actual VIDEOS is late
night/early morning, when noone is watching TV...the rest of the time, its
cheesy T&A shows.

Ok, 'nuf said.
Sandi

Compchick

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May 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/14/99
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>I think repeat voting is a great idea, but I only think it will work if you
>pick a video that MTV has actually played. If you're going to do it, pick
>something more common - I'm telling you, WDSTF is the best choice because I
>KNOW MTV has it in their posession, I've seen it played before.

Good idea. Shall we all start voting for We Didn't Start the Fire? I also think
that we shoul get others to participate. If each one of us tells every Billy
Joel fan to vote, then every one of those tells every fan they know, we could
be successful.

Christine A Tarbet

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May 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/14/99
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>When I was voting on Monday, I noticed that MTV posts its daily lineup.
>Notice
>that, aside from TRL, the only time they really play actual VIDEOS is >lat
>e
>night/early morning, when noone is watching TV...the rest of the time, >it
>s
>cheesy T&A shows.

That is just not true. Sure, they have a lot of original programming,
but they do play primarily music videos (some are repackaged like Say
What? where they run the words under the videos). Most shows they have
aren't t&a... Daria? The Tom Green Show? Celebrity Deathmatch? Do you
even watch MTV??? Below is today's (friday's) lineup. I have marked
what the shows are...


6:00AM DAWN PATROL-- videos
7:00AM MTV NEWS LINK-- news
7:30AM JAMS COUNTDOWN--videos
9:00AM MUSIC VIDEOS-- videos
11:00AM ROCKS OFF -- videos
12:00PM The Tom Green Show [#109**]--show (comedy, no T&A)
12:30PM MUSIC VIDEOS--vidoes
2:00PM MTV NEWS LINK--news
2:30PM SAY WHAT?-- videos
3:00PM Fanatic [#312]--television show (fans meet celebs, no t&A)
3:30PM TOTAL REQUEST LIVE-- videos
4:30PM The Blame Game [#108]-- gameshow, some talk of sex
5:00PM JAMS COUNTDOWN-- videos
6:30PM The Cut [#123]-- musical performance competition
7:00PM MUSIC VIDEOS-- videos
7:30PM MTV NEWS 1515 [#064]-- news
8:00PM SAY WHAT?-- videos
8:30PM Video Cliches [#114]-- videos
9:00PM TOTAL REQUEST LIVE-- videos
10:00PM 25 Lame-- videos
12:00AM LOVELINE [#424]-- tv show, a lot of talk of sex, shown only
late night.
1:00AM YO!-- videos
2:00AM JAMS COUNTDOWN-- videos
3:30AM MTV AFTER HOURS-- videos

My problem with MTV is that they play primarily the same videos all day
(except late nite, etc.). However, they mostly play videos, albeit some
repackaged. I have already talked about Say What? Just a quick idea of
the other video shows.

Dawn Patrol-- early morning videos
Rocks Off-- rock videos
Jams Countdown-- r&b daily countdown.
TRL-- I think we know what that is.
Video cliches-- they play videos and point out the cliches (ex.
explosions, rain, etc).
YO!-- rap videos
25 Lame-- special. Shows the 25 lamest videos of all time, as voted on
the website (this show, hosted by Jeaneanne Garofolo, Denis Leary, John
Stewart, and Chris Kataan is really funny).
MTV After Hours-- late night videos.

Sooo, as you can see, MTV DOES play mostly videos, and it isn't a vast
wasteland of t&a shows (I still don't understand that at all? She must
have watched spring break; that is all I can think of.)).

Sorry for the lenghty post.

Christine

Eileen R.

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May 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/15/99
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I have to say the funniest thing I've seen on MTV in awhile is the Tom
Green show and they had a special on - 25 lamest videos - that I thought
was hilarious! Eileen :)

Christine A Tarbet <tar...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article
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PATIBROWN

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May 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/16/99
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>they had a special on - 25 lamest videos - that I thought
>was hilarious! Eileen :)

I watched that last night, it was hilarious!
Don't ya just love Janine Garofalo!


Pati

Kama99

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May 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/16/99
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>
>Sooo, as you can see, MTV DOES play mostly videos, and it isn't a vast
>wasteland of t&a shows (I still don't understand that at all? She must
>have watched spring break; that is all I can think of.)).

I watch MTV all the time, thank you very much...that is, when I can find a
video other than TLC, BSB, Britany Spears or Korn. And as long as oh-so-witty,
thumb-up-his-ass Carson Daly isn't being all high-and-mighty or Jesse isn't
attempting to get through a complete sentence...hmmm...

Sure, you can pick a day when MTV decides to run a special - like the 25 lamest
which i did watch and today they ran the BSB's favorite videos - but i n
general, MTV mainly plays stupid non-video shows...Tom Green, Loveline, Daria,
Fanatic, The Real World, Road Rules...manages to glorify moronic performers
like Biggie Smalls and Tommy Lee on Ultrasound...blahblahblah...

I've been watching MTV as long as I can remember, and I CAN remember when they
played videos, not stupid variety shows. I used to look forward to the Top 20
countdown with Adam Curry and Headbangers Ball with Ricki Rachtman....the only
deejays I can see on MTv with any actual knowledge beyond a cue card are Matt
Pinfield and Dave Holmes. My T&A comment was misdirected, and its not exactly
what I meant. I was thinking along the lines of Singled Out, which is still on
occasionally.

If you look at the schedule you posted, you'll see that, aside from early
morning and late night, the "music videos" that are just random, not part of
TRL or Jams, come in 1/2 hour increments, which is usually only 5 videos, which
means we get to see Britany Spears, BSB, N'Sync, Korn, 98 degrees, and Ricky
Martin one more time. Your best chance at a VARIETY of videos comes between
3:30 and 7:00 in the morning...whos up then?

And FYI: I did watch parts of spring break and one week of gratuitous T&A is
enough for me for a decade. :o)

Misunderstood...apologies,
Sandi

Christine A Tarbet

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May 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/17/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 15-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by "Eileen R."@worldnet.att
> I have to say the funniest thing I've seen on MTV in awhile is the Tom
> Green show and they had a special on - 25 lamest videos - that I thought
> was hilarious! Eileen :)
>

The 25 Lamest was very funny!!! I liked how they made fun of the one
Journey video (sorry, Journey fans, but the video was really bad 80s).
Tom Green is so funny too. Did you see the one where he ran onto the
soccer field when the kids were playing? Also, the one where he hung up
his own picture in the museum??

Christine

Toonces464

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May 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/17/99
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>I liked how they made fun of the one
>Journey video (sorry, Journey fans, but the video was really bad 80s).

Which one made the list? I know some of 'em are real cheesy, but I just love
their videos... ;D

*******************************************
"There are people who have lost every trace of human kindness..." - Billy Joel

prsol...@pop.stcd.uswest.net

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Jonathan Bucko wrote:

> My take on the MTV situation is that it is true that everytime I turn it
> on I can't seem to find any good music on. That is when I turn to VH-1.
> Although they may be owne by the same company (Viacom), VH-1 is about
> music. Just recently I saw a great behind the music/storytellers
> featuring Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and it made me think after
> the shows how VH-1 is more dedicated to music with great shows like,
> behind the music and storytellers and legends. I don't even think MTV
> mentioned the R&R Hall of Fame. Springsteen, Joel, Petty, Mellencamp,
> Meatloaf, Julian Lennon, all were recently portrayed via Behind the
> music/Storytellers/or Legends, and all were excellent!!! Just some
> reasons why VH-1 is #1.

I agree. I love VH1, and they have a lot of great shows on there. It's
been my experience that VH1 is for people that like classic rock and pop
from the 70's and 80's. They do play 90's songs and videos, too, but
usually only those songs that would appeal to the same generation. MTV
might appeal to younger people (and boy to I feel old when I say that, I'm
only 27), but I definitley prefer the videos, music, and TV shows on VH1.

>
>
> Jon


Christine A Tarbet

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 17-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Toonc...@aol.com
> Which one made the list? I know some of 'em are real cheesy, but I just l
> ove
> their videos... ;D
>

I can't remember the name... but it was the one where they are all
standing in the street pretending to play their instruments...
Christine

ShaunNavis

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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>The 25 Lamest was very funny!!! I liked how they made fun of the one

>Journey video (sorry, Journey fans, but the video was really bad 80s).

Was it "Separate Ways"? I don't mind some of their really old songs, but I've
always hated that one! Bad video, bad cheesy synth riffs, and Steve Perry
looks really ugly and even kinda greasy in that one. I heard about the "25
Lame" show and I was scared that Billy might have ended up in there.
Apparently not though, or else I'm sure we'd have about it here. :-)

Out here in No Man's Land--
Shaun

Eileen R.

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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Yep, it was Separate Ways - what an awful video!!! I like Journey's music
but yuk! I didn't see those shows w/ Tom Green but the one I did catch was
the one where he tried to interview his parents? and then he gave them some
lawn sculptures? Also was a skit in there where he pretended to be blind.
Too funny!!! I definitely will try to catch more of that show!!! Eileen
:)

Christine A Tarbet <tar...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article

<crE_EBu00...@andrew.cmu.edu>...


> Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 15-May-99 Re: Total Request
> Live Take.. by "Eileen R."@worldnet.att
> > I have to say the funniest thing I've seen on MTV in awhile is the Tom
> > Green show and they had a special on - 25 lamest videos - that I
thought
> > was hilarious! Eileen :)
> >
>

> The 25 Lamest was very funny!!! I liked how they made fun of the one
> Journey video (sorry, Journey fans, but the video was really bad 80s).

Jonathan Bucko

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May 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/18/99
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My take on the MTV situation is that it is true that everytime I turn it
on I can't seem to find any good music on. That is when I turn to VH-1.
Although they may be owne by the same company (Viacom), VH-1 is about
music. Just recently I saw a great behind the music/storytellers
featuring Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and it made me think after
the shows how VH-1 is more dedicated to music with great shows like,
behind the music and storytellers and legends. I don't even think MTV
mentioned the R&R Hall of Fame. Springsteen, Joel, Petty, Mellencamp,
Meatloaf, Julian Lennon, all were recently portrayed via Behind the
music/Storytellers/or Legends, and all were excellent!!! Just some
reasons why VH-1 is #1.

Jon


VertigoMan

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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My one complaint with VH1 is they don't show enough live music (like the
excellent Storytellers series) reguarly.

PATIBROWN

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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> I heard about the "25
>Lame" show and I was scared that Billy might have ended up in there.

No, thank god, but Hall and Oates "Maneater" made it on, undeservedly, I felt.
I've always liked H&O, and didn't think the video was that bad. (But that is
just my opinion.)

Pati

Kama99

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Total agreement, VH1 is waay better, but I do watch MTV as well...although I
was really surprised to see the video for Metallica's "wiskey in the jar" on
VH-1....I did like Unplugged on MTV and when they used to do really great movie
premiers...i still have the premiere party for the movie "singles" on tape.

ranblings,
sandi

Christine A Tarbet

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 18-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Jonathan Bu...@webtv.net
> mentioned the R&R Hall of Fame. Springsteen, Joel, Petty, Mellencamp,
> Meatloaf, Julian Lennon, all were recently portrayed via Behind the
> music/Storytellers/or Legends, and all were excellent!!! Just some
> reasons why VH-1 is #1.

I like VH1, but no offense: some of the music they play is not exactly
up-to-date. MTV does play a lot of music, just not music that you like.

Christine

Christine A Tarbet

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 19-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by Verti...@aol.com
> My one complaint with VH1 is they don't show enough live music (like the
> excellent Storytellers series) reguarly.
My complaint with BOTH VH1 and MTV is that they have too many re-runs.

Christine

Christine A Tarbet

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 18-May-99 Re: Total Request
Live Take.. by prsol...@pop.stcd.uswe
> I agree. I love VH1, and they have a lot of great shows on there. It's
> been my experience that VH1 is for people that like classic rock and pop
> from the 70's and 80's. They do play 90's songs and videos, too, but
> usually only those songs that would appeal to the same generation. MTV
> might appeal to younger people (and boy to I feel old when I say that, I'
> m
> only 27), but I definitley prefer the videos, music, and TV shows on VH1.
>

Exactly. MTV's demographic is only until 25. I guess ya just missed
it! ;) I like MTV, and I like a lot of their shows. I hate some too
(The Blame Game is HORRIBLE).

Christine

VertigoMan

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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>My complaint with BOTH VH1 and MTV is that they have too many re-runs.

Agreed. With all due respect to those that missed it, if I'm still seeing
Billy Joel's Behind The Music and Storytellers semiregularly almost two years
since the original premiere, that's a hint.

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