slightly OT but hey!
Wouter Visser
deafness if you had to choose. I figure everyone in this group is a big
sound-fanatic...
Just give me a short answer.
Thanks.
wouter
Freefall*Function
:-)
Seriously, being blind would be a nightmare, you couldnt function properly
at all. We all know all vulnerable this would make us.
F*F
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makes the answer hard for me. I guess I'd pick blindness... dunno :)
wv.
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peggy babcock
no matter how much i miss the feeling of a sense surrounding me.
Freefall*Function
hear anything. How do you get on?
Try the same with a blind fold on. See you in hospital!
F*F
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cloak them..
:-)
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Kenchie
Which would you rather have cut off (if you had to choose!)
Your hands of your feet?!?! I think I'd go for one of each, seems like a
fair compromise!
Kenchie.
p.s. Welcome back Peggy!!
Freefall*Function
Freefall*Function
Freefall*Function
there is such a thing as crutches or a wheelchair which lets you live a
normal life, whereas as yet there is no substitute for hands, or if there
is, i dont know about it.
F*F
ps sorry for the double post above.
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same old same old.
nice one by the way. just read yer comments etc ..
good to know yer a human being. hope you still
slag what you don't like, it's refreshing.
more
s
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Electro Magnetic
> again, thinking logically, my feet.
>
> there is such a thing as crutches or a wheelchair which lets you live a
> normal life, whereas as yet there is no substitute for hands, or if there
> is, i dont know about it.
>
> F*F
>
> > Which would you rather have cut off (if you had to choose!)
> > Your hands of your feet?!?! I think I'd go for one of each, seems like a
> > fair compromise!
> >
> > Kenchie.
> >
> > p.s. Welcome back Peggy!!
> >
> >
of course they are no where near the accuracy of the real thing,
but there totally are hand replacements.. and they are SO crazy..
I saw this guy on TV who had both his forearms ripped off while
trying to break a land speed record.
these robotic prosthetics fit onto his stumps.. and have sensors
that align with the nerve endings that lay just below the skin.
Now.. all he has to do is think "open" and the hand opens. I was
freaking out.
(but not as much as when I saw the baby furless glow-in-the-dark
mice who had been implanted with the phosphorus DNA of jellyfish)
apparently its just like learning to use your hands all over again..
like you did when you were a baby. he will eventually be able to "think"
each of the fingers separately..
that said..
I'd rather lose my feet
P.S. I heard about, but did not see, DNA implanted baby rhesus monkeys...
anyone else have details on that? do they GLOW?!
-3MAN8-
at straws?)
-i want a glow-in-the-dark monkey. i don't know how i've lived without
one up 'til now (just don't ask what i want it for).
-3MAN8-
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on intelligent creatures. they are 95% similar in DNA to us.
I dont agree with this at all.
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> P.S. I heard about, but did not see, DNA implanted baby rhesus monkeys...
> anyone else have details on that? do they GLOW?!
>
>
>
Electro see this link for full story
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4116144,00.html
and as for ANDi glowing
"the gene does not seem to be producing the chemical it should, since the
monkey's hair roots and toenails do not glow under fluorescent light. " -
from above article.
crikey
c
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crikey
they implanted the gene from the jellyfish,so they could be sure it had
worked. the monkey's nails glow under a UV light.
c
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crikey
the articles in the times and the observer stated that it did work,and they
glowed under uv.
c
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c
crikey
im stil waiting for the punchline here.
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crikey
non stop? :Oo
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crikey
he did a good analogy with human and worm behaviour-when a worm is trod
on,it curls up,to reduce its surface area from further damage. anyone
recognise the same beaviour in humans? :O)
i think they should be going full speed ahead into genetic
experimentation,on everything.
what a discovery,man.
c
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martin krois
vision is more tricky.
/martin
-3MAN8-
-i don't really want a glow-in-the-dark monkey.
-a dog perhaps, for late night walkies - now that would be useful!
-3MAN8-
-3MAN8-
> worked. the monkey's nails glow under a UV light.
> c
-progress!
-3MAN8-
-3MAN8-
> WTF has this got to do with Ae??
> im stil waiting for the punchline here.
> c
-it's a good point... most posts beginning with 'this is slightly ot
but..' end up being about plaid or at least sommit in the same ballpark
as ae. but genetics (and i include the blind/deaf, feet/hands threads!)??
-at least i won't have to read 'new scientist' this month :)
-3MAN8-
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and the like?
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<dj_ki...@hotmail.com> writes
>I'd very much like to know whether you (yes, you) would pick blindness or
>deafness if you had to choose. I figure everyone in this group is a big
>sound-fanatic...
>Just give me a short answer.
>Thanks.
>
>wouter
>
>
Hmmmm.
Probably blindness.
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Although...
(he thought, while listening to Britney)
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-3MAN8-
-there are many deaf (or at least partially deaf) musicians out there,
but blind artists... a definite rarity.
-my thinking is that blindness is a far more disabling ailment to
deafness. day-to-day life would be much harder without your sight, and
so regardless of whether i value visual or aural arts more, i would have
to choose deafness.
-3MAN8-
Wouter Visser
When I'm watching a movie (say The Green Mile), for me, it's the music that
makes the movie great. When I'd have to choose between watching the movie
without sound or to listen to the soundtrack (in this case by Thomas Newman,
he's great), I'd choose the soundtrack. For me, the music makes the magic. I
can imagine pictures to sounds, but no sounds bubble into my head when I see
something (a movie, a picture).
But I'm still not sure what I'd miss the most when I had to pick between
going deaf or blind...
That's why I came up with this topic.
wouter.
PS: I'm listening to Kid A while writing this and it's brilliant! Just
wanted you to know :)
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Chronzon
open twat?
opulent telemetary?
occasional tamperings?
occluded template?
our tom?
occidental transmogerations?
otters talk?
?
c
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"OT" is short for "off topic"
say vegin
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see,theres actually quite a few,it would seem.
:O(
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Cambridge( he was up some mountain,not the roof of christs college!).
anyway,his best mate fell when crowley was passing over a vertical edge that
they had been trying to pass for ages.
the guy was unconcious,and had a very visible broken arm,and blood on his
head.crowley being the lead,and there being only 2 of them,clung with the
guys full weight on him for several minutes,contemplating what to do. it was
impossible for him to climb forwards or backwards. it was a choice of either
waiting till he was too tired,and falling with his best friend,and both
dying,or cutting the rope from which his best friend was hanging,in which
case he would survive,but he would have that on his conciounse fo rthe rest
of his life.
obvious what he done,but how gutted was he?
another naughty choice to have to make.
(BTW_crowley still holds a few world records for climbing!bet you didnt know
that?)
c
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>it happenned to Mr. Crowley when he was climbing once,as a young don at
>Cambridge( he was up some mountain,not the roof of christs college!).
>anyway,his best mate fell when crowley was passing over a vertical edge that
>they had been trying to pass for ages.
>the guy was unconcious,and had a very visible broken arm,and blood on his
>head.crowley being the lead,and there being only 2 of them,clung with the
>guys full weight on him for several minutes,contemplating what to do. it was
>impossible for him to climb forwards or backwards. it was a choice of either
>waiting till he was too tired,and falling with his best friend,and both
>dying,or cutting the rope from which his best friend was hanging,in which
>case he would survive,but he would have that on his conciounse fo rthe rest
>of his life.
>obvious what he done,but how gutted was he?
>another naughty choice to have to make.
>(BTW_crowley still holds a few world records for climbing!bet you didnt know
>that?)
>
>c
>
and colourful characters of the 20th century.
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Mykeul JB
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>Well, consider this:
>When I'm watching a movie (say The Green Mile), for me, it's the music that
>makes the movie great. When I'd have to choose between watching the movie
>without sound or to listen to the soundtrack (in this case by Thomas Newman,
>he's great), I'd choose the soundtrack. For me, the music makes the magic. I
>can imagine pictures to sounds, but no sounds bubble into my head when I see
>something (a movie, a picture).
blindness. I just said I don't really agree with the blindness scenario
now.
>going deaf or blind...
>That's why I came up with this topic.
>
>wouter.
>
>PS: I'm listening to Kid A while writing this and it's brilliant! Just
>wanted you to know :)
>
Very good and soundtracky.
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Mykeul JB
>-you're an artist so you'd pick blindness?? explain...?
>
was that if Art can be expressed in pretty much any medium it likes then
the need for it to be visual does not really matter. Aural art would be
an option. Now as I have had time to think quite hard about this dilemma
(Blind or Deaf)it seems to me that visual experiences can differ much
more than sound experiences can. Whaddaya think?
>-there are many deaf (or at least partially deaf) musicians out there,
>but blind artists... a definite rarity.
>-my thinking is that blindness is a far more disabling ailment to
>deafness. day-to-day life would be much harder without your sight, and
>so regardless of whether i value visual or aural arts more, i would have
>to choose deafness.
>
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Mykeul JB
<n...@thanxs.com> writes
>judging bu the standard of work at the last turner prize i went to
>see,theres actually quite a few,it would seem.
>:O(
>c
it seems to me the least talented artist always wins, all the
interesting stuff gets made runner up.
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Chronzon
> and colourful characters of the 20th century.
he was a top boy!
c
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predictable,but true!
it seems to me the ones backed by charles saatchi always win!!
mate,the art thats being promoted around britain these days is a fuckin
sham. its a corprate nob sucking disgrace,and anyone with a modicum of
integrity can see that.
c
Mykeul JB
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art to be and why?
Saatchi doesn't own anything by Wolfgang Tillmans as far as I know, he
backed Readecker and Takahashi and they didn't win.
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Chronzon
ian phillips
giorgio de chirico
dali
phillip harris - everyone should see his works!
max ernst
victore pasmore
yves klein
dilys byron
piet mondrian
wassily kandinsky
simon schima
bill viola
anish kapoor
sean scully
denis mitchel and phillipe stark (for sculpture)
agnes martin
caspar david friedrich(gorgeous nature-scapes.same goes for john ruskins
rocks!)
diego velasquez! stunning, for the 1600's!
man rays foto's.
georgina hunt
robert irwin (light installations)
mark francis
ken currie
mark rothko
diane howse
my fave out of the lot is max ernst.
:O)
i used to follow contemporary quite closely.
out of touch the last few years.
Mykeul JB
<n...@thanxs.com> writes
doesn't make me sound like a smart-arse or something).
>:O)
>i used to follow contemporary quite closely.
>out of touch the last few years.
like Viola, Casper David Friedrich, mondrian etc. some I haven't heard
of but I shall endeavour to check them out.
I Like lots:
Vermeer
Gary Hume
Patrick Caulfield
Tracy Emin
Sarah Lucas
Marcel Duchamp
Lari Pittman
David Shrigley
Piet Mondrian
Max Ernst
Jonathan Parsons
Ed Ruscha
Jessica Stockholder
Mona Hartoum
Manet and Degas
Warhol
too name but a few....
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Chronzon
hurst.
grates me verily.
i nearly did my degree in fine art. got a place on the strength of my
portfolio(i never did a levels till recently),but passed it up,to work my
arse off down south instead.
what a tool i was!
did you see emmins 'bed'?
c
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> i really,really dislike most of the british 'cool' artists like emmin and
> hurst.
> grates me verily.
Yeah, they're not really tallented, just slightly unusual and extremely
lucky.
i nearly did my degree in fine art. got a place on the strength of my
> portfolio(i never did a levels till recently),but passed it up,to work my
> arse off down south instead.
> what a tool i was!
Doh ! You shouldn't have done that ! That's a real shame.
> did you see emmins 'bed'?
If that's art, then so is a turd coming out of my ass !
Chronzon
years!
or go fo the installation!
a turd on the floor!
post-modern irony makes anything art,friend :O)
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>i really,really dislike most of the british 'cool' artists like emmin and
>hurst.
but I do like Emins, well most of it, cosit raises a lot of questions
and always provokes strong reactions (good and bad) which all good art
should do.
>grates me verily.
I can understand that. It is an aquired taste me thinks.
>portfolio(i never did a levels till recently)
>,but passed it up,to work my
>arse off down south instead.
>what a tool i was!
was 17 I got a place at Croydon to do a foundation course but passed it
up for full time work (what a prat), then when I was 23 I got a place at
Chelsea ended up unable to get a grant thanks to the torie run area I
lived in at the time. Now I'm 33 and I'm at Surrey Institute of Art and
Design and it's all going swimmingly.
>did you see emmins 'bed'?
like that, it also raises the question (like Duchamp's Fountain) of what
sculpture/art is. I guess when you expose your private life like that
you have to be able to live with the consequences and that takes a
strong constitution. It's also a pretty egotistical too though, as in "
Oh, look at me! I'm such a tortured soul!", which is bullshit. That is
the only thing that annoys me about her work at times.
>c
>
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satori
> In article <h_ff6.850$i54.1...@newsr1.u-net.net>, Chronzon
> <n...@thanxs.com> writes
> >i really,really dislike most of the british 'cool' artists like emmin and
> >hurst.
> I'm not too keen on Hirst's stuff except for about two things he's done,
> but I do like Emins, well most of it, cosit raises a lot of questions
> and always provokes strong reactions (good and bad)
Yes, but you could say the same things about a turd coming out of someones
ass, such as:
'why is that person doing a turd here ? What's that awful smell ? I feel
strongly opposed to it, so I'm going to bludgeon him / her.
There you go......raises questions, provokes reactions !
It must be art then !
Chronzon
what about her drawings and scribblings like "fuck me hard" that she had on
cheap a2 paper on the wall in front of the bed?????
come off it man,she's utter crap!!!
another thing,duchamps fountain (the urinal,yeah?),brian eno managed to get
some piss in it a number of years ago,at some exhibition. those jap
performance artists were a few years too late :O)
the thing eno pointed out was,duchamp meant the urinal as a symbol of ALL
urinals. not just that one!!!stupid buggers go around displaying it!!!
sheesh.
all this contemporary conceptual instalation stuff,is just his idea,dragged
on and on!they just clothe it in murkier attire,if you ask me.
whats the point????
bloody fools.
c
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thats the spirit! :O)
c
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>I thought that it was sitting on a glass shelf, which was also part of the
>"tree",
Yeah, now you come to mention it, it was on a shelf. I mistook that for
some kind of art storage device i.e. somewhere to put it. Perhaps it's
meant to be roots. :)
>Haven't been to the Tate Modern and am not at all likely to.
I'm not going again that's for sure.
>
>Oh be fair someone is already taking the piss.
I think you may have summed up the whole modern art thing in one
sentence (well most of it, some of the stuff there wasn't bad).
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Paul
Chronzon
anyway,i'll divert my attentions away from Tracy Emmin for a while and
concentrate on.....Damien Hirst!(the guy that does the thamaldahyde
works-half cows,sharks etc)
you boyz that have been to tate modern would unndoubtedly seen some of his
work.
anyway.....
this guy doesnt actually paint any of his pictures.
his friends do it for him,in his studio.
im refering to his 'dot' paintings.
there up for sale for £300,000.
also,his 'spin' paintings,in which he gets a circular board and a potters
wheel and some steps.
he gets someone to spin the potters whell,puts the board on,climbs up the
steps,and pours different coloured paints onto the spinning board.
thats it.
also his friends do this,and local schoolchildren,or whoever is passing.
5 years ago,i seen some of these in oxford,and they were for sale (i didnt
say selling!) for £6,000 a piece.
they now sell for £300,000!
next-in his recent show in NY,he exhibited for the first time,a bronze
sculpture. this sculpture was an exact copy of a childrens educational
toy,of a torso,revealing the muscles and bone structure.and it was
bronze,and not plastic.
the designer of the toy recieved nothing in royalties.
this piece is for sale for £1,000,000,if anyone fancies it?
this guy is known as 'the enfant terrible' of british art,and is backed by
charles saatchi.
he is promoted as THE foremost british artist.
he's having a laugh,which is fine by me.as long as people know that that is
all he is doing.
i thought i seen him once at a party,years ago,so i went up to talk to
him,but it turned out to be Irvine Walsh,the guy that wrote trainspotting.
anyone else ever noticed how similar they look?
thing is,Irvine actually has talent,where as, Damien is just a chancer
without any idea.
(i do admire his "the physical impossibility of death in the mind of someone
living")http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/edwards.family/nathan/hirst/work.htm
l
(you must all check out phillip harris! a modern artist actually
painting,and worth looking at!)if anyone comes across links to any of his
work,please post them up. i havent found any yet :O(
and another thing,whoever the defender was,your great and noble tracy
emmin-she used to be partner to a guy that is now head of the 'Stuckist'
movement.and he was backed by one charles saatchi :O)
i knew there would be a link in there somewhere :O)
c
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Mykeul JB
writes
>
>> >Yes, but you could say the same things about a turd coming out of
>someones
>> >ass, such as:
>> fine. I'd rather look at art instead.
>
>But I really find it hard to tell the difference sometimes. What constitutes
>art these days. Some art really is shit and only those who are 'educated'
>can appreciate it, which is elitist and pompous.
I agree that some art is shit but, and it's a big BUT, we all have
differing tastes. Just saying something is shit isn't a constructive
argument.
One of the few problems I do have is with the way we are educated as far
as visual arts go. Contemporary stuff is mainly conceptual based and
when we are at school from infants to leaving secondary we are all
taught that good art is purely of the visual aesthetic variety, nobody
is taught to look at the way it's constructed or what relation it bares
in the world or shown the amount of research and hard work that's gone
into an idea. We all assume it's just something an artist has knocked
off over a couple of weeks, which is generally not the case.
Also what we see via media is just the view of the dealer who, of course
says its good art, cos he wants to make money. In most cases a lot more
than the artist.
>
>
>> > 'why is that person doing a turd here ? What's that awful smell ? I feel
>> >strongly opposed to it, so I'm going to bludgeon him / her.
>> >
>> Look, if you haven't anything VALID to say don't bother. There's plenty
>> of stuff I don't like but I don't waste my time getting wound up or
>> trying to put these things down or those who do.
>
>I'm not getting wound up, but you seem to be. I'm quite amused by it all. I
>think what I said was perfectly valid and if you can't bare to listen to
>other people's opinions without being offended, then may I suggest that you
>stop reading newsgroups...... freedom of speech and all that. I know I
>shouldn't put people down, but some of these artists are doing ok out of
>life and you have to question what it is they've got that other people
>haven't.
>
Ok. I humbly apologise (and to C too) I did get a bit carried away. I'm
terrible in the morning!
But the way in which you put it across could of been a bit less
tactless.
>
>
>> You needn't call it "art" if the term offends you.
>
>Why should it offend me ? I love GOOD art. I just resent people making lots
>of money if they haven't made a worthy contribution to the world.
>>
So the question comes around again. What is GOOD art. Personally I feel
if a work of art produces a strong emotional reaction either good or bad
then it's doing it's job. No feeling then the art is shit.
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Mykeul JB
<n...@thanxs.com> writes
>> That's why she not only graduated MA from the royal academy but spent at
>> least 5 years mastering in printmaking. She must be crap then.
>oh well,sorry,she must be great! my mistake!
Oh come on. All I'm saying is she has worked her arse off to get where
she is. Weather she is great or not is personal opinion, which we are
all entitled too.
>> I mean
>> Art, anyone can do that can't they etc...
>your not wrong.if you can piss...thats all you need.
>>Come on I thought you'd get
>> the connection of the Crude subject matter and the Crudely drawn
>> monoprints. She is saying that her life's like that.
>life isnt like that like at all! its something she's created. its not real.
>its art-ificial.
So you know her personally? It is a fact that she was raped as a
teenager, so I can see connections with that and her work.
>> >they just clothe it in murkier attire,
>> Dwarfs or the fucking Greys?
>the NEW BRI T ARTISTS. you know fine well who im talking about.
>
It's probably the dealers, critics and our old friend the media that do
that.
>> Well why make music then? Why do anything different or creative? Why get
>> up in the fucking morning? Cos some of us get a kick out of it, son,
>> that's why. And your just pissed of at Contemporary art cos you never
>> made it yourself, you dropped out, unlike Emin who worked her ass off
>> and got noticed for producing something different from the norm.
>
>no mate. im pissed off,because if i had of actually carried on,i would have
>shown these lame excuses what it was about. simple as that.
>we have 3 decent galleries up north. i had work in all of them at some
>point.
Good on you (really).
>my next exhibition was in london,at the Long & Ryle. you might know it? just
>round the corner from the Tate,yeah?
Don't know it.
>t was an excellent gallery,in its time.
>another thing..i stopped painting when i was 19.im now 28.
>ive had no formal education what-so-ever. i know a lot of people who have
>MA's and BA's. most of them know shit. i know this,because i hung around
>with them. they stayed on at uni cos they didnt have the disposition to
>work. its a lot easier pissing about doddling,i know that much.
Fair comment. Some of us are serious about what we do though. I have
exhibited and sold work, also been commissioned too. All this before
attending college. Almost all of the artists I met up to this point were
cliquey, arrogant and couldn't produced anything that I would call
different or exciting. At least a few of my friends at college are
serious.
>and even better,some of them get paid for having a laugh to boot!(emmin)
>
>theres artists that i still admire,very much.
>and i still love art,when it is art,and isnt just a con.
>you obviously cant tell the difference.
>probably because your being fed crap from your instituition!
No chance. I liked Emins stuff 2 years before even starting college.
>they have a vested interest in people believing this shit.
But that's just your own personal opinion. It seems that what your
saying is that your opinion is the only one that counts. You don't seem
to realise that I genuinely do like her work, and others do to.
>and youve fell for it,as far as i can see.
Sorry but my opinion matters to me, if you think I'm being "conned" fair
dues, I'm not. I'm quite sure that I know what I like. There's a
slightly tyrannical edge to what your saying.
>the place would be better without the likes of emmin,i know that much.
>
Fine. I beg to differ.
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Mykeul JB
Mykeul JB
<n...@thanxs.com> writes
>thing is,Irvine actually has talent,where as, Damien is just a chancer
>without any idea.
>(i do admire his "the physical impossibility of death in the mind of someone
>living")http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/edwards.family/nathan/hirst/work.htm
>l
thousand years". It was the whole life cycle of flies in a large
vitrine. Maggots, flies, cows head and an insectorcutor.
>painting,and worth looking at!)if anyone comes across links to any of his
>work,please post them up.
>i havent found any yet :O(
>and another thing,whoever the defender was,your great and noble tracy
>emmin
>-she used to be partner to a guy that is now head of the 'Stuckist'
>movement.
>and he was backed by one charles saatchi :O)
coverage if they were. They always seem to be slagging of his art
collection in the press, as well as Emin.
>i knew there would be a link in there somewhere :O)
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Chronzon
> --
> Mykeul JB
about it.
at the end o fthe day,i still think modern art(conceptual and instalation)
is not worth the materials it uses.
c
Chronzon
> So the question comes around again. What is GOOD art. Personally I feel
> if a work of art produces a strong emotional reaction either good or bad
> then it's doing it's job. No feeling then the art is shit.
to the crux!
what is good,and what is bad?
thing is,it would seem that there is a scale that says this is better than
that.
in which case,that would be an objective and external value,and being
such,should be measurable.
on the other hand,it could well just be subjective,and being percieved as a
value in the external world.
good and bad dont exist,except in our heads.
c
satori
Just saying something is shit, is not really a constructive argument, so I
apologise for my tactlessness.
=S=
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-3MAN8-
> about it.
> at the end o fthe day,i still think modern art(conceptual and instalation)
> is not worth the materials it uses.
> c
-conceptual art is not worth the materials it uses? a work of art which
uses ideas as it's main driving force, is worthless?
-c'mon! i dislike emin as much as the next artist (and i did study at an
'institution' c), but she and her tabloid-art friends do not define
conceptualism, or installation for that matter.
-you appear to have many preconceptions on what is valid as an art
object... i'm wondering why your taste in music does not follow such
traditional ideas (having just looked at your want list). i don't see
you as being a closed-minded person c, but you appear to be judging a
great many fantastic, creative people based on the propaganda of the
'sun' newspaper (and its ilk).
-3MAN8-
henrys_cat
understanding their ideas.
Once you see the idea you can appreciate the art.
Some of the people here seem to not even be trying to think.
Get your own ideas.
Do not obey the Artwank!
egoramsongiewill
henrys_cat
Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M Pirsig
Nice breakdown of the whole concept of quality etc.
megorgonlieswail
PS Then read:
Fear and Lothing in Las Vegas by Hunter S Thompson
Barcelona Plates by Alexi Sayle
Because they're great
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Mykeul JB
<n...@thanxs.com> writes
tad exaggerated, Doh!.
Mind you this Contemporary Art thing has certainly opened a can of worms
here. I must admit that this is really the first serious
discussion/argument I've been involved with on any news group (probably
shows too).
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Mykeul JB
Mykeul JB
<henry...@rhubarb.nospam.greatxscape.net> writes
>Art is appreciated by gaining an empathy with the artist and
>understanding their ideas.
>
>Once you see the idea you can appreciate the art.
>
>Some of the people here seem to not even be trying to think.
>
>Get your own ideas.
>
>Do not obey the Artwank!
>
>egoramsongiewill
>
nutshell in fact.
>> > and thats what opinions are. im merely stating mine. nothing tyrannical
>> > about it.
>> > at the end o fthe day,i still think modern art(conceptual and instalation)
>> > is not worth the materials it uses.
>> > c
>>
>> -conceptual art is not worth the materials it uses? a work of art which
>> uses ideas as it's main driving force, is worthless?
>>
>> -c'mon! i dislike emin as much as the next artist (and i did study at an
>> 'institution' c), but she and her tabloid-art friends do not define
>> conceptualism, or installation for that matter.
>>
>> -you appear to have many preconceptions on what is valid as an art
>> object... i'm wondering why your taste in music does not follow such
>> traditional ideas (having just looked at your want list). i don't see
>> you as being a closed-minded person c, but you appear to be judging a
>> great many fantastic, creative people based on the propaganda of the
>> 'sun' newspaper (and its ilk).
>>
>> -3MAN8-
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Chronzon
i was indifferent up till then,but afterwards id come to the conclusion it
was wank!
c
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