the Muffs
E*I*E*I*O
John Prine
the Fastbacks
Rockpile
Cruzados
the Riverdales
Mojo Nixon
Impatient Youth
Raven
the Sonics
Suzi Quatro
the Hooters

as far as overrated I'd have to say
Pearl Scam
Nine Inch Nails
Alice in Chains
Sinead O'Connor
and of course Morrisey (Have a Cheeseburger & a good fuck & shut the hell up)

this just goes to show that most people will take what they're spoonfed by the media as great rather than take a chance on
something unheadr of or untried. It's their loss(and the neglecte musicians' of course.)

If you listen to any of the above bands, Congratulate yourself on your good taste, if not put own that Bush cd and try something mtv
hasn't prechewed for you first. You will not be disappointed.

Yah, but ya don't want a buncha posers liking these bands eh?

The Muffs, they rule!

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Your list thankfully puts Pearl Spam at the top. Is it just me, or are
these guys writing songs using the same riffs and chords as all their
other songs? I occasionally like something that Trent Reznor does, but
most of it is just bullshit noise. I happen to like AIC, but they are very
derivative.

More of the most overrated:
NIRVANA
Mariah Carey
Alanis Morisette
RAP
Brandy
Bush
Oasis
Cracker

My underrated (or unknown NY area locals) list:
Del Amitri
Susan Sed - NY local
After Cacciato - NY local
Naked Hoof/Bill Anderson - NYC/WWW (of course I had to plug my own case)
Ark Of Puppets - PA

Bill Anderson
http://www.thefirm.com/nakedhoof/

"Life is like a shit sandwich...the more bread you have, the less shit you
have to eat." - Anon Bathroom Wall

Allow me mine:

Sidewinders/Sand Rubies
Small (23)
Edsel
Scarce
Denzil
Jason and the Scorchers
Ghost Of An American Airman
Seam
The Replacements
Dinosaur Jr
Red House Painters
American Music Club
Power of Dreams
The Longpigs
Magnetic Fields
Idaho            
Jawbreaker  ---
Everclear        I -- finally getting some attention,
Lotion             I    but still FAR too little credit.
Buffalo Tom _ I

Uh uh, wrong there about the Moz. Didn't the music of the Smiths move
you? Moz isn't a whiner, he's got a lot more to say than most bands
ever do. You don't necessarily have to like his music and beliefs, but
please give the guy credit. His only fault is to have influenced loads
of 2nd generation shite like Gene. Why'd you want him to shut up? His
caustic wit's so funny anyway...

Anyway your taste isn't half bad...

Regards,

Daniel Sassoon
dinos...@pacific.net.sg
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`If I Had A Hammer', Mercury (1993 Reprise Records)

Here's my list of most overrated bands:
--Rebecca's Shit List--

REM (old stuff ok, but shut up already)
Greenday (pop formula shit)
Alice in Chains (one-trick pony; enough about the heroin already)
Soul Asylum (horrible)
U2 (I think the winner of worst band ever to make it big)
Smashing Pumpkins (whine, whine, whine)
Live (lame)
Oasis (rip-off kings, not *nearly* as good as those they rip-off)
Sonic youth (feedback gets annoying)
Prince(funk?-I don't think so)
Tori Amos (freaky, bad, pretentious, horrible)
Sting (adult album pop shit)
Bruce Springsteen (hasn't put out a decent album since 1975)
Mariah, Whitney, Janet Jackson, Michael jackson (need I say why?)
Rancid (who cares about this trend?)
Lenny Kravitz (see Oasis)
Aerosmith (over-the-top crap, take one of those scarves and wrap it
 around your neck, Steven)
AC/DC (cheeze metal sucks; his voice can take the paint off the walls)

love, Rebecca
{flame away....}

: >
: >as far as overrated I'd have to say
: >Pearl Scam
: >Nine Inch Nails
: >Alice in Chains
: >Sinead O'Connor
: >and of course Morrisey (Have a Cheeseburger & a good fuck & shut the hell up)
: >
: >this just goes to show that most people will take what they're spoonfed >by the media as great rather than take a chance on
: >something unheadr of or untried. It's their loss(and the neglecte >musicians' of course.)
: >
: >If you listen to any of the above bands, Congratulate yourself on your >good taste, if not put own that Bush cd and try something mtv
: >hasn't prechewed for you first. You will not be disappointed.
: >

Superchunk.
Buffalo Tom.
Grant Lee Buffalo.

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 a very incomplete Overrated list:

Presidents of the United States...
Bush
Sponge
Joan Osborne
Spacehog
Alanis
Civ
Rollins Band
Seven Mary Three
Blues Traveler
Phish
Smashing Pumpkins
Breeders
Offspring
Alice in Chains
etc....

Liz Phair
Aimee Mann
Superchunk
Frank Black

Overrated bands/musicians:

PJ Harvey (no, she isn't horrible, but she isn't the Next Great Hope
of Alterna-rock that everyone makes her out to be...and "Down by the
Water" is one of her worst songs)
TLC
Foo Fighters (cute and catchy, nothing more)
Hole (again, not horrible, but nothing special)
The Eagles: ZZZZZZZZZ
White Zombie (Okay, but nothing special)
Tori Amos (can anyone say "Kate Bush"?)
Techo/house music (what happened to real musicians, anyway?)
Low-fi (how much can you do with one rinky-dink 4-track?)

Now for underrated bands:

Babes in Toyland
Lush
Mudhoney
L7
Spacehog
The Fugees
Salt n Pepa

How about The Tragically Hip
                                                                                                                        Spirit of the West
                                                                                                        Odds, and just about anything canadian excepr for Alanis, uggg.

Kelly Elizabeth Young (083...@bud.swin.edu.au) wrote:
: E. Doering (edoer...@uoguelph.ca) wrote:
: : Underrated:

: : Therapy?
: : The Verve
: : Radiohead

: : Just my thoughts.  
: : Cheers,
: : Ted.

: :couldn't disagree with that.  how about jeff buckley, jeff buckley or
: for something different, jeff buckley? (no, really, he's good!) I did not
: write all that shit about jeff buckley it was the git sitting next to me
: although i do agree.  the tea party are greatly underated too.  hardly
: anyoune has heard of them round here.
:  - MUD

i would agree with the choices previously mentioned and would have to add
the watchmen to that list as well.  they rock but are seldom heard from.  
in the trees is one of my all time favorite albums.

matt

Well that peaches song is more lame than funny, eh?

Bill Anderson
http://www.thefirm.com/nakedhoof/

"More lame than funny! You must be an idiot!" - Flaming Suggestion

:  a very incomplete Overrated list:

: Presidents of the United States...

well, i gotta disagree in a way here. I normally listen to more
sophisticated music, such as Pink Floyd, but The Presidents are the
greatest thing to happen to Top 40 Pop Radio since.. I dunno.. Boy George
:) Similar to Green Day, they make music that is infectious. Its catchy.
Un like Green Day, they have hysterical lyrics and can admit they aren't
so great - just listen to "We're not going to make it." They don't
pretend to be anything but 3 guys out having some fun.. and they are fun.
:) I've never laughed so hard at lyrics such as 'Kitty' and 'Dune Buggy.'
the songs are ridiculous and great fun. And isn't that what music is all
about? having fun?

: Overrated bands/musicians:

: PJ Harvey (no, she isn't horrible, but she isn't the Next Great Hope
: of Alterna-rock that everyone makes her out to be...and "Down by the
: Water" is one of her worst songs)

If you're judging PJ Harvey by one song, especially that one, you have a
lot of listening to do...get the album, "Dry", and then eat your words...

--Rebecca

: Overrated bands/musicians:

: Techo/house music (what happened to real musicians, anyway?)

They're making "techo". Get a clue.

: Low-fi (how much can you do with one rinky-dink 4-track?)

Sometimes simplicity is better.

[riot grrl deletia]

: Underrated:

: Therapy?
: The Verve
: Radiohead

: Just my thoughts.  
: Cheers,
: Ted.

:couldn't disagree with that.  how about jeff buckley, jeff buckley or
for something different, jeff buckley? (no, really, he's good!) I did not
write all that shit about jeff buckley it was the git sitting next to me
although i do agree.  the tea party are greatly underated too.  hardly
anyoune has heard of them round here.
 - MUD

   Ask Guided By Voices and Beck or Brian Wilson for that matter (Pet
Sounds is probably the best produced album ever.)

, i gotta disagree in a way here. I normally listen to more
Duh. You're in alternative and your a big Pink Floyd fan! Puhlease. "Music is
all about having fun". Sure. And Pink Floyd are such a "fun" band. Green Day
never made out they were the saviours of the alternative music universe. Rolling
Stone, Juice, Spin magazine etc bestowed that title upon them. They never claim
to be anything more than a few thrash heads from Berkeley. (Check the chord
progressions on Insomniac. Nothing terribly ground breaking there.)

When I was a teenager I was big into Pink Floyd - even bought "the Madcap
Laughs" and other Syd Barret stuff. A suggestion - spread your range. If you
like PF, check out Joy Division, Nick Cave (Birthday Party), Scraping Foetus
(Jim Thirwell/Clint Ruin) and e few other true alternative musos. I'm not saying
PF is bad, they are just a little too corporate for my liking. (Pink Floyd
Corporation?)

DADA

I'll attempt to keep this as short as possible, in the interest of bandwidth.

Gin Blossoms...weak, futile attempt at solemness, and they're rippin' off
Toad the Wet Sprocket.
Hooty and The Blowfish...boring, monotonous, most songs=same groove.
Joan Osborne aka VH1 Whore...what better reason to stop watching TV
altogether...'Right Hand Man' tenacity of a 3 yearold asking for Ice
Cream when it's bed time.
Alannis Morisette..."I can sell records if I'm cute, right?" Jesus...
Presidents of USA...All I can say is ,"Pass the torch."
The Foo Fighters...Midas Band <Anything anyone from NIRVANA should touch
has GOT to be great  zzzzzz>
Pigface...An amalgam of some REALLY great minds working together on a big
pile of dogshit...just add prison attire.
Oasis...just plain lame.
+Live+...used to be good, now, arena rock+bigtimeattitude.

VH1 and MTV have once again shoveled more lumps of shit into our homes
and frequented public places. THERE are always alternatives, even to
'alternative'...there are sooooooooo many bands that actually get lost in
this world, only to be shoved out of the way by the likes of the type
mentioned above...here are a few: The Judybats, the Beautiful South, Big
Head Todd and The Monsters, The Bottlerockets, Lush, The Charlatans...etc.
Free your comercially disrespected minds...if you actually WATCH MTV...

My opinion is expressed above. It is in no way connected to my employer,
The State of Oregon, who pays me to do nothing.

Phil George
phi...@PEAK.ORG

|>
|> I'll attempt to keep this as short as possible, in the interest of bandwidth.
|>
|> Gin Blossoms...weak, futile attempt at solemness, and they're rippin' off
|> Toad the Wet Sprocket.
|> Hooty and The Blowfish...boring, monotonous, most songs=same groove.
|> Joan Osborne aka VH1 Whore...what better reason to stop watching TV
|> altogether...'Right Hand Man' tenacity of a 3 yearold asking for Ice
|> Cream when it's bed time.
|> Alannis Morisette..."I can sell records if I'm cute, right?" Jesus...
|> Presidents of USA...All I can say is ,"Pass the torch."
|> The Foo Fighters...Midas Band <Anything anyone from NIRVANA should touch
|> has GOT to be great  zzzzzz>
|> Pigface...An amalgam of some REALLY great minds working together on a big
|> pile of dogshit...just add prison attire.
|> Oasis...just plain lame.
|> +Live+...used to be good, now, arena rock+bigtimeattitude.
|>

I agree with you on most of those, but leave Foo Fighters out. It took
me by surprise that they were as good as they were. I think it was a bit
brave of Dave Grohl to release something on his own when everybody would
compare it to Nirvana. But having a Nirvana past has helped him selling
records. No doubt about that.

|> VH1 and MTV have once again shoveled more lumps of shit into our homes
|> and frequented public places. THERE are always alternatives, even to
|> 'alternative'...there are sooooooooo many bands that actually get lost in
|> this world, only to be shoved out of the way by the likes of the type
|> mentioned above...here are a few: The Judybats, the Beautiful South, Big
|> Head Todd and The Monsters, The Bottlerockets, Lush, The Charlatans...etc.
|> Free your comercially disrespected minds...if you actually WATCH MTV...
|>

Do we buy what MTV plays or does MTV play what we buy? In my view MTV is
just like any other public radio station. It's influence is definately
overrated. There were trends long before MTV existed. If there had been
an MTV in the 60's, people would say that MTV "created" The Beatles.

|>
|> My opinion is expressed above. It is in no way connected to my employer,
|> The State of Oregon, who pays me to do nothing.
|>
|> Phil George
|> phi...@PEAK.ORG
|>

Christian Thuv

: I'll attempt to keep this as short as possible, in the interest of bandwidth.

: Gin Blossoms...weak, futile attempt at solemness, and they're rippin' off
: Toad the Wet Sprocket.

Like 'em.

: Hooty and The Blowfish...boring, monotonous, most songs=same groove.

That's Hootie not Hooty.  Agreed though.  I like one of their songs.

: Joan Osborne aka VH1 Whore...what better reason to stop watching TV

I don't think that it was her choice to be the spokesperson for VH1.  She
just has very listenable music.  See speil below for my opinion.

: Alannis Morisette..."I can sell records if I'm cute, right?" Jesus...

That's Alanis Morissette.  Spelling counts:).

: Presidents of USA...All I can say is ,"Pass the torch."

Agreed.

: The Foo Fighters...Midas Band <Anything anyone from NIRVANA should touch
: has GOT to be great  zzzzzz>
: Pigface...An amalgam of some REALLY great minds working together on a big
: pile of dogshit...just add prison attire.
: Oasis...just plain lame.

Your opinion.  That's fine if you don't like 'em.  I don't think that
they're lame, but that's a whole other thread :).

: +Live+...used to be good, now, arena rock+bigtimeattitude.

How does a band go from being "good once" but now not good?  Could it
have something to do with someone's jealousy over the band's sudden
popularity? (sarcasm should be noted here.)

: VH1 and MTV have once again shoveled more lumps of shit into our homes
: and frequented public places. THERE are always alternatives, even to
: 'alternative'...there are sooooooooo many bands that actually get lost in
: this world, only to be shoved out of the way by the likes of the type
: mentioned above...here are a few: The Judybats, the Beautiful South, Big
: Head Todd and The Monsters, The Bottlerockets, Lush, The Charlatans...etc.
: Free your comercially disrespected minds...if you actually WATCH MTV...

I just have to say one thing, if you don't like what's being played on
eMpTyV or VH1, don't watch it!!  It's as easy as that.  I happen to like
about half the bands you mentioned there and I don't listen to the radio
or watch alot of MuchMusic (the Canadian equivalent to eMpTyV).  Does
this mean that I have a commercially disrespected mind just because I
like Oasis and the Gin Blossoms?  How about no.  Just because you can't
stand these bands doesn't mean that you should slag off those who do.  
People can make their own choices you know.  I happen to like a lot of
bands that get virtually no coverage on radio or MuchMusic (eg. Therapy?,
The Verve).  Even if these guys got into heavy rotation on Much or the
radio, would that make me less of person for liking them?  No.  Point is, I
like the music I like because it means something to me, not because it's
number one on the charts or because everyone else has it.  That doesn't
bother me or figure into the equation at all when I'm looking to buy a
cd.  Even if it did, who cares?  I'm probably not going to change your
opinion and I can't say that I agree with it, but I do respect it.  All I
ask is that you don't be so generalizing when placing music and people
into categories.

: My opinion is expressed above. It is in no way connected to my employer,
: The State of Oregon, who pays me to do nothing.

: Phil George
: phi...@PEAK.ORG

Later,
Supersonic.

Claw Hammer!

Don't watch it then! I don't.

-Steve
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Regards,

Daniel Sassoon
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