A Word about Kujman's Tastes
Ceethelyte
read it on a full stomach.
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Bastinado and foot punishments in
China, by Kurt Jelinek
Yes, I have uncovered a wonderful amount of actual historical
infomation over the years, having been into foot torture since a
child. As I described last time, in order to perform at medieval
faires you must first create an ACTUAL character... after all,
you are recreating life as it was in the middel ages for
thousands of visitors who pay good money to attend. There can be
no mistakes, second guessing, or "artistic license" so
to speak (although we DO take some license when necessary, but
everything can be backed up by fact!). In China for example,
there were actual racks designed to hold and isloate the bottoms
of the feet for torture: they resembled the stocks we have made
and used at times with the feet together and toes tied back,
hands to either side. They did use extensive toe bondage (feet
were humilating and disrespectful to show-off: thus the
humliation was twofold). We have recreated this both in public
and in private, often combining the Chinese methods and our own.
In China, another plank of wood or metal was lowered behind the
toes. In this wood or metal were many holes in which rough twine
was laced through and around each toe, pulling them taut to the
wood or metal, thus totally immobilizing the feet for torture.
We, of course do the same today, with more refined methods.
From the 6th dynasty, many court record copies still exist
which demonstrate the Chinese cruelty to the bare feet. In fact,
some Tickling-the-feet type tortures from this peroid in Chinese
history have even been quoted by American columnist Ann Landers!!
Far more males and young boys were tormented this way in
comparison to women, and foot torture was usually done in full
court for members of the Chinese royalty. Often the young
children of the royal elite were allowed to "play" with
the victims to occupy them.This may seem strange in todays
standards where "torture" is never heard of here in the
USA.. But at THAT time it was an accepted, and very common,
practice... just another everyday factor of life. And the Chinese
prided themselves with developing new tortures that seldom left
any marks, but were as painful as as could be survived. The
bottoms of feet were targets of insane, intense tickling. Not
playful with feathers for the most part, but rather sadistic with
stiff pieces of bamboo shoots (some of which wound up under the
toe-nails and set afire!). The stretched soles were methodically
raked up and down virtually non-stop until the person simply
couldn't breathe anymore and often fainted. To revive the
victims, a method called "star-kicking" was employed:
this was simply pieces of straw or paper placed between the toes
and lit with a flame and allowed to burn down to the toes as the
victim howled back into consciousness. The above tortures were
used primarily for "lighter offenses of the Empire" and
were administered by both male and female tortureres, some of the
female torturess being only 14 years old!
The bastinado of the soles was carried out upon a victim in a
similar device, or upon what was called a "Ying-loo":
the victim was wrapped in wet burlap and twine from shoulder to
knees, layed facedown upon the floor, and feet strapped heavily
to a couple of beams resembling a small fence. One beam, a few
inches off the floor, allowed the knees to be tied to it. The
other beam, two feet off the floor, was for holding strapped
ankles. The feet were bared, toes tied to another cross beam
which was then stretched taut via a pulley system, just short of
dislocating the toes... but making the soles so wonderfully
vulnerable to the bamboo cane, switch, hot coals, heated coins
(which other royal members would toss trying to land a hot coin
upon a helpless sole as a game!), and of course itching powder.
Sometimes the victim was left that way for hours awaiting his or
her fate. The waiting and panic in itself was a torture!
The intensity of bastinado depended upon the
"crime". If severe, bamboo canes that had been soaked
in water were used (much as it is done today) and as much as 100
swats at a time could be delivered to each poor bare sole. A
smaller offense might bring 25 swats using a
"switch"... made up from many small shoots of bamboo
tied together at the base (we have one of these!!). Or for
showing disrespect, hot coals could be laid across the immobile
soles as the skin seared. In between the torture, during a small
rest from the swats, "itching powder" was often smeared
into puffy, red swollen soles.. and the victim allowed to writhe
in torment as the soles are engulfed in the itching and
"biting of a thousand fire ants!"... the latter torment
also being used by the small children upon a victim left bound
for their amusement. I have seen actual ink drawings and wood
engravings depicting these and will dig some up for future use in
the newsletter.
To give you an actual case history to dream of: there was a
young servant woman (no age recorded other than young) and a
young water boy (15) who were accused of taking food following a
court banquet of some interest. If memory serves me right, this
was actually recorded and witnessed by (or told to) Marco Polo.
They were placed into the stocks mentioned earlier, and fastened
tightly. For each morsal of food deemed missing, they were
sentenced to 10 swats with a switch. They sat fastened in full
view of the passing court (who paid little attention to such a
common site) for the entire day as royal children used them for
torment and play. It was reported that the screams of their
laughter from the tickling fingers of children (whom I can tell
you, from actual experience in public Renfairs, are THE most
sadistic!!) could be heard well outside the palace walls by their
loved ones. Tickling was the least of their worries, however, as
their bare feet were abused with small, long
"balsa-paddles", and burned lightly with
"scorch-sticks" (I believe these to be long burning
sticks of incense). At the end of the day, the bastinado was
carried out, and many times they fainted. They were allowed to
rest for the night (still in stocks) with itching powder applied
to the toes and soles. The punishment was finished in the
morning, and neither could walk away when finished. These two
were "traded" afterwards... and one wishes they were
alive today to tell their tale!!
One side note: the girl was punished extra with
"toe-pinchings" with a pliers-type device for having
her second toe longer than her big toe, a sign of lowliness in
China... and indeed this was also carried out into medieval and
colonial times even with lowliness being swapped for a sign of
the devil!
Well, I hope I haven't bored anyone with too many details and
have given you a taste of actual history. We recreate many of
these tortures in public at Renfairs. Few people realize that we
are REALLY doing these tortures t one another. Of course when we
get visitors in the stocks, while we DO torment them, we limit
ourselves severely. We have also actually used goats to lick
honey off soles in public...... THAT is MURDER!! But more on that
another time. It is pure panic to have someone douse your soles
with itching powder after being locked in stocks in public, with
the whole world staring at the bottoms of your bare feet.. then
watch them leave you there as they walk away... knowing there is
no hope of rescue. Aside from feathers hanging on hooks, there
are also wooden cooking spoons for beating the soles... as well
as a proclamation (in rhyme) telling all who pass to beat the
soles till puffy and red... and most DO!
Such is the case for "roasting the soles".
Originating in Germany circa 1200, it was called "Der
Fusseboden Verbrennin" and "Das Gerostet von
Nacktfuss".. a most dreaded torture as under the guidence of
a skilled tormentor it could be continued for days. The bare feet
locked in stocks (body manacled to chair affixed to the stocks)
are basted with animal fat or grease to prolong the agony and
lengthen the burning as a brazen of hot coals is placed directly
in front of the bottoms of the feet anf the feet allowed to
"roast" until the victim confessed, or burned alive.
Women were especially prone to fall prey to this torture during
witch trials of the Inquisition. However today, with saftey in
mind but no less sadism, we have refined this in private. The
feet locked in, toes tied, feet sprayed with baby oil.... and a
heat lamp placed cruelly close... and the feet allowed to
"cook" until the victim "breaks" and panics
or whatever it takes to create that excite for all! Especially on
the bench we have, you are forced to watch your own soles cook!
wifet...@my-deja.com
> I don't think I've ever seen this before, or if I have, have
forgotten it. A good deal of this is real and true torture, and,
throughout history, virtually every culture and civilization has used
tortures limited only by the imagination. There are cases of poetic
justice that caused torturers to become victims. Even that's another
matter.
> For the purposes of this forum, there are aspects of this that can be
used very effectively for tickle teasing. There is one aspect of this
piece that I would like to ask of the group. This has to do with
itching powder and the intense tickle teasing possibilities with it.
> I have never had itching powder put on me anywhere. I have had
intense, almost painful itches on the bottoms of my feet, once after a
bee sting. I have also had itches hit on my feet while driving on the
freeway, such that I could not get at it. All I can say to these is:
YIKES!
> Could I get some feedback from people that have been in stocks with
itching powder spread liberally about their feet? What's it like? How
long does the sensation last? Can you make it more intense by also
tickling with a light feather?
> It seems to me this would be a great way to tease the daylights out
of an otherwise non ticklish person. I used to be an intense laugher.
This would leave me screaming (I think).
> The teasing could be letting my hands get close, but not quite. There
is the threat of leaving the ticklee alone. I think that would have me
begging like you can't imagine!
> Revenge possibilities stagger the mind.
> If anyone here has ever experienced this, what's it like?
> WT
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WONBAT1
QBWEAVER
That was a very interesting article that KUJMAN put together quite a while back
that answered many questions from folks about foot torture and foot tickling as
a torture in centuries past.
While KUJMAN does utilize some of those techniques in his scenes he does NOT
ever do damage to anyone. I know this because I've been party to some of these
torments. I was introduced to bastinado by him in a very non-threatening
manner. Roasting of the feet and rapping the soles with a wooden spoon were
the two specific techniques he used on me. Both of them were used to highly
sensitize my feet for tickling that would occur seconds after the torment was
over. And I can tell you that they worked. I'm already horribly ticklish and
those techniques just made it even worse!!!
KJ was meticulous about ensuring my feet would not be damaged. After all... he
wanted them to be in tip top shape for future tickling! The roasting was a
heat lamp placed about 18 inches to the feet allowing for the heat to build and
build. He continuously put oil on my feet to ensure I would not be burnt. The
rapping of the soles was with short fast slaps much like the feeling of
clapping your hands only it was done on your feet. He always avoided the toes
so as not to possibly break them. The sensation on your feet from the rapping
would build and build on each other and the result was that blood would rush to
the soles of your feet intensifying any sensation. Thus.... tickling was the
ultimate end result both for him and for me.
Oh sure.... I know.... you're thinking I've got to be nuts to let that happen
to me. Well.... maybe so but I am here to tell ya that although it was torture
for me..... I enjoyed it! Wierd huh? Maybe so. But the memories are
Fabulous!
As KUJMAN said in one of the paragraphs they use some of these techniques in
the RenFaire acts... "We, of course do the same today, with more refined
methods."
Refined is the key word. KJ, Tracy, Cindy and Tabby would never harm anyone in
their tickling and foot torments that would cause any permanent damage. My
feet are proof positive of that! heheheheh
Jan
KUJMAN1
You may be surprised to hear this- and surely unable to accept it- but I am not
that old as to be held accountable for the "tastes" of the Chinese and
Inquisitioner's who began to use tickling and other foot tortures centuries
prior to my birth. Sorry. It's just a tad before my time.
Honestly, I wasn't there in the 6th dynasty ... or I would have taken videos.
But I do thank you for reposting a cool, and lost, four year old piece I was
asked to write regarding historical information- I can use it on our site.
I didn't create the history, I wrote about it. I've also written about
Lincoln's assasination- and although I had tickets to Ford's Theater that
night, honestly I wasn't there.. or I would have asked Mrs. Lincoln how she
liked the show..
And the Titantic sinking- which [despite claims] I had nothing to do with as I
am allergic to ice. Honestly, I wasn't there either, or I would have brought a
lifevest and some hot java.
Even wrote about Apollo 13... when they found out it was actually a feather
blocking up the valve when they stirred the laughing gas tanks that caused the
explosion.. but I wasn't there. Honestly.
Like it or hate it- s&m exists.Then and now. Tickling is also s&m in it's own
form. People are freely allowed to have many different tastes. Many here
transgress between the two worlds for their own varied needs.
So here's a word about your tastes:
Obviously you are into s&m too or you wouldn't be wandering around such sites
seeking things.. and there's nothing wrong with that, its cool to be
adventurous. It demonstrates intellligence and lack of fear. As you can see
some of the smartest people online are adventurous [see QBweaver's varied
informative posts]... and actually live to tell about it, lol
The difference in you and I is that I at least respect others on this NG who
soley (no pun) enjoy tickling and therefore do not post articles of such nature
here- as you have done.
There is a place for everything. Learn the lines.
"To be bad mouthed by fools is the same as getting compliments
from wise men......"
toyou
KUJMAN1 <kuj...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991207152419...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
>
> And the Titantic sinking- which [despite claims] I had nothing to do with
as I
> am allergic to ice.
Allergic? Or, having seen some of your pictures, afraid of?
LOL!
~ toyou
Discordia De Locke
> And your point is???
To maybe educate and inform you???
jeez.. does everyone and everything HAVE to have a point????
why can't something be "just because"?
sheesh...
~D
Girl1955
>I didn't create the history, I wrote about it. I've also written about
>Lincoln's assasination- and although I had tickets to Ford's Theater that
>night, honestly I wasn't there.. or I would have asked Mrs. Lincoln how she
>liked the show..
>And the Titantic sinking- which [despite claims] I had nothing to do with as
>I
>am allergic to ice. Honestly, I wasn't there either, or I would have brought
>a
>lifevest and some hot java.
>Even wrote about Apollo 13... when they found out it was actually a feather
>blocking up the valve when they stirred the laughing gas tanks that caused
>the
>explosion.. but I wasn't there. Honestly.
AWWW Kuj, Ya mean you werent responsible for all this stuff? Another great
myth down the tank!
J.L.R.
:-)
Discordia De Locke wrote in message ...
Chakett-2
What's the URL?
Joey
>Like it or hate it- s&m exists.Then and now. Tickling is also s&m in it's own
>form. People are freely allowed to have many different tastes. Many here
>transgress between the two worlds for their own varied needs.
Hear, hear! Well said, Kujman.
Joey
buggs
while now.....it pains me to see anyone doing what gets done every once
in a while to my friend...he gets thrashed upon.....i remember when he
posted that...it was in response to all the wild rumors about tickling
and foot stuff going on through the ages...kurt did research, and that
was what he found....but kurt...i do blame you for that black plaig
thing...i know it was you...you just had to take a can of raid back to
the old merry old england didnt you....well, you may not have been born,
BUT IT WAS ALL YOU FAULT...AND I AM TELLING SOMEONE IN CHARGE ABOUT
IT...AND WHEN THEY GET OFF THEIR ASSES FROM EATING HO HO'S, TWINKIES,
AND OTHER NON-DIGESTIVE FOOD, AND PULL THEIR NOSES OUT OF THE SUNDAY
FUNNIES...HOOOHOO...THEN IT YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF A A FEW THOUSAND
VERY OLD DEAD PEOPLE...
BUGGS...
YOU KNOW ME...THE IDIOT FROM PORTLAND...BY THE WAY KURT...I NEED YOUR
GUYS PH# AGAIN...MY COMPOOPTER CRASHED...
ALOHA
--
"If love is the answer, could you rephrase the question?"
-- Lily Tomlin
KUJMAN1
>itching powder spread liberally about their feet? What's it like? How
>long does the sensation last? Can you make it more intense by also
>tickling with a light feather?
I have been through it many times on both sides, it depends on who is using
it... and if they are using the good stuff, not the store kind. like a million
ants crawling on you at times... others times unbearably ticklish... yet other
times pure hell. The trick we sometimes use is to do it until the victim
actually begs to be tcikled again (so they sort of control it themselves, you
see?)
Thats my end of it. For further input you can ask Qbweaver and Ticklegal who
have both endured..and delivered it.... along with me.
**A note to those before they ask: NO.. do NOT use it in other sensitive areas
such as the genitals- it can cause a horrible rash there. After all, we want to
torture you... but we dont want to TORTURE you... right?
KJ
KUJMAN1
>thing...i know it was you...you just had to take a can of raid back to
>the old merry old england didnt you....well, you may not have been born,
>BUT IT WAS ALL YOU FAULT...AND I AM TELLING SOMEONE IN CHARGE ABOUT
>IT...
Damn! Finally BUSTED.
Just don't tell Santa, pleeeeasse?
<AND
<THEN IT YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH <OF A A FEW THOUSAND
>VERY OLD DEAD PEOPLE...
I already suffer that every Christmas when my relatives visit. How could it be
worse?
KUJMAN1
>
>jeez.. does everyone and everything HAVE to have a point????
>
>why can't something be "just because"?
>
>
>sheesh...
>
>~D
D- Sorry... read again: there was no education involved in that for ticklers
who already know my varied abilities... it's no secret and never has been for
over 20 years now. I don't use said torments on people when they are not into
it, nor do I do them to the point the history books describe. It merely posted
info here that few are interested in- which is why it was never posted here by
me in the first place {because I have scrupels}.
In case you had trouble understanding it, the "point" was merely to start a
war- which fizzled.
I'm sure you'll agree that those types of "points" to start wars are NOT needed
here in this newsgroup- specially about me when I have become just about
invisible and am about to vanish into the Palace completely.
KJ
MrClean
say it's one of my favorites. KJ works with this technique a lot as
well, I am aware (but then again, best I can tell, KJ's done it all!).
Its effectiveness is magnified many times over after heat treatment,
or sensitization with a cane, rod or paddle.
Itching powder from North American novelty stores is usually just
glorified fiberglass. It's not very good, nor very effective. The
best killer itching powder I've found is made from plant material in
Northern India and Pakistan, and a good variety is also available in
Europe. Can't really tell you how to obtain it in NA. I've purchased
it when I've been overseas, but I've also had it impounded by customs!
I apply it using an artist's paintbrush. The effects last about a
half hour, but it will seem like a reincarnated lifetime! You will
have your poor victim praying to Hindu gods for an out-of-body
experience!
As a side note, if you threaten someone with spanking almost anywhere
in the world, except North America, they will first think about
needing to remove their shoes, not their pants. This holds true in
much of Europe, Africa (especially the Middle East), and virtually all
of Asia and the Orient!
On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:30:24 GMT, wifet...@my-deja.com wrote:
>TO Ceethelyte:
>
>> I don't think I've ever seen this before, or if I have, have
>forgotten it. A good deal of this is real and true torture, and,
>throughout history, virtually every culture and civilization has used
>tortures limited only by the imagination. There are cases of poetic
>justice that caused torturers to become victims. Even that's another
>matter.
>
>> For the purposes of this forum, there are aspects of this that can be
>used very effectively for tickle teasing. There is one aspect of this
>piece that I would like to ask of the group. This has to do with
>itching powder and the intense tickle teasing possibilities with it.
>
>> I have never had itching powder put on me anywhere. I have had
>intense, almost painful itches on the bottoms of my feet, once after a
>bee sting. I have also had itches hit on my feet while driving on the
>freeway, such that I could not get at it. All I can say to these is:
>YIKES!
>
>> Could I get some feedback from people that have been in stocks with
>itching powder spread liberally about their feet? What's it like? How
>long does the sensation last? Can you make it more intense by also
>tickling with a light feather?
>
>> It seems to me this would be a great way to tease the daylights out
>of an otherwise non ticklish person. I used to be an intense laugher.
>This would leave me screaming (I think).
>
>> The teasing could be letting my hands get close, but not quite. There
>is the threat of leaving the ticklee alone. I think that would have me
>begging like you can't imagine!
>
>> Revenge possibilities stagger the mind.
>
>> If anyone here has ever experienced this, what's it like?
>
>> WT
>
>
>
>
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He drinks Perrier
Everyday
Does sit-ups, too, just like they say
He's MrClean
He's the Reagan's dream
Should be glad to have him on our team
'Cause he doesn't smoke
He doesn't drink
He don't have fun, HA! what a joke
wifet...@my-deja.com
> I hope everyone doesn't think I'm beating a dead horse here, but this
subject has me as fascinated as anything on the tickle forum the last
several weeks. My wife really isn't a tickler, but I think I might be
able to convince her to try something like this on my feet. Yet the
thought leaves me a bit nervous. If I get her to do it to me, I want to
go the whole nine yards with it. So let me try a couple more questions.
If QBWEAVER or TickleGal or anyone else has experience in this, please
feel free to weigh in:
> To KJ: What is the good stuff, and can you get it in this country?
Novelty ground glass souns a bit dangerous. Is it? Is it totally
worthless?
> To KJ: Do you mean she begs to be tickled on the ribs or somewhere to
take her mind off of it? How about when it was used on you? What were
the rules?
> To MrClean: You apply it with a brush? Is that an artists brush, or a
small paint brush? Is that plant used for itching powder or does it
have some other use, with the itch being but a fun by-product?
> To All: Do the ticklees laugh, or beg, or thrash or what? Can you get
the affect by applying it to yourself, say as a test?
> I don't even know what else to ask! I can't tell you the feeling I
envision just thinking about this. I can't begin to tell you what my
wife has to do to get adequate revenge on me. I'm not sure I have the
nerve to go through with something like this. An itch is different from
a tickle. Has anyone ever done this and couldn't stand it? A half hour
seems like a long time to tolerate an intense itch.
> It's a fascinating subject. Am I just being excessively strange here?
KUJMAN1
money.
After heat or paddling it is unbearable... yet somehow gratifyingly erotic too.
Apllied with a paintbrush or even rubber gloves and rubbed in- it is an
automatic torture you can sit back and watch, in between mad ticklings.
Your experiences in obtaining it [or the attempt of at times] mirror mine
closely, as I have posted before- but I was doubted. Your accounting of it and
its effects thankfully verifies my previous posts. No need to go into that. I
will say that I have never tried the Indian or Pakistan versions, only from
Amsterdam... we'll chat about that in email and see what we can exchange.
>The effects last about a
>half hour, but it will seem like a >reincarnated lifetime! You will
>have your poor victim praying to Hindu >gods for an out-of-body
>experience!
This is the best description going. I have had it done to me and know those
prayers well!
A worthy note or two to make to any who do dabble in it, is that water will
immediately stop the effect. Do not use it on "sensitive" areas.. or near the
EYES!!
Women Tickler
>This is the best description going. I have had it done to me and know those
>prayers well!
>
>A worthy note or two to make to any who do dabble in it, is that water will
>immediately stop the effect. Do not use it on "sensitive" areas.. or near the
>EYES!!
Does it tickle or itch?
Women Tickler
>
>a tickle. Has anyone ever done this and couldn't stand it? A half hour
>seems like a long time to tolerate an intense itch.
>
So, use water on it when you've had enough.
MrClean
I use a good-sized (1cm), dry artist's brush. The European version of
the powder is made from a part of the rose flower! I always
immobilize my submissives. Some of them have told me they couldn't
endure the experience, had I not. You will most certainly "get the
effect" should you apply it to yourself. In fact, be careful with it!
KJ is quite right - DO NOT get it near your eyes, and you may wish to
utilize gloves.
By the way, the US variety is not ground glass - it's fiberglass.
Much like attic insulation. It's effective enough, but it has only a
small fraction of the "impact" of the plant material variety found in
Europe and Asia. It's excruciating all right (I've had submissives
"safeword" out of the experience!), but consider this - you can endure
quite a lot, if you know it's only going to last 1/2 hour!
On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:44:24 GMT, wifet...@my-deja.com wrote:
>a tickle. Has anyone ever done this and couldn't stand it? A half hour
>seems like a long time to tolerate an intense itch.
>
>> It's a fascinating subject. Am I just being excessively strange here?
>
>> WT
>
>
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I think there is another Newsgroup specifically for that called Brutal Jockeys
> If I get her to do it to me, I want to
>go the whole nine yards with it.
Very cool! I like this man's attitude. Bravery says a lot. Allows creativity.
> To KJ: What is the good stuff, and can > you get it in this country?
Email me for a recipe.You can only get the fake brand in this rather anal
country. It's a combo of fiberglass and sawdust. As I mentioned, the only good
source I personally found was from Amsterdam. Mr. Clean has had great success
with powder from India well.
To answer another question- the feeling it delivers can vary from a tickling to
an intense horrible itching...and will at times effect one foot differently
from the other!
>Novelty ground glass souns a bit > dangerous. Is it? Is it totally worthless?
Yes and yes.
> To KJ: Do you mean she begs to be
> tickled on the ribs or somewhere to
> take her mind off of it?
She/he/it begs to tickled INSTEAD of itching powder.. so I've created a way
they can control it w/o the ever present safeword issue.. and usually they are
highly ticklish- so it's the lesser of two evils: do you get tickled sensless?
or itched sensless? Either way the erotic "loss of control" is the key mental
element, as it is in any bondage tickling or s/m sitiuation.
> How about when it was used on you?
Oh man oh man oh man- I went bonkers. Every hear a grown man beg for every
crinkly on his foot? Our neighbors did.
>What were the rules?
There weren't any rules to that effect in this particular group. Loss of
control is just that- loss of control. That means no safewords. So beware who
who play with and make sure they now what they are doing.
To clarify- It was used on me as a torment inbetween ticklings and heatings
during certain more intense scenes. Inquisitions, etc. Totally makes you beg
and pray... even tears- but in a good way. Turns on the top. Once you see your
captor's face lighting up, thats all that counts. Again, its not for eveyone.
Nor do I use it or suggest it to many. We have even used it to great effect in
public [on non-windy days.]
Email me and we'll chat off this newsgroup, ok? I wrote you, but your mail box
is full. By posting I am just leaving room for more childish attacks and I
would rather not waste my time with them.
Butt Pirate
Merman
>The difference in you and I is that I at least respect others on this NG who
>soley (no pun) enjoy tickling and therefore do not post articles of such nature
>here- as you have done.
>There is a place for everything. Learn the lines.
very nicely said, KJ
Merman
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"...And the sea will grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of
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Girl1955
was rose hips? Would that be right? Have you ever used it on anyones armpits?
MrClean
the midwest (Detroit, MI, etc.). Am I correct?
Rose hips, yes. I've found it's best to find powder made from natural
plant material. However, if you see 'rose hips' as an ingredient,
this doesn't necessarily mean that the preparation is a potent one.
Quality varies widely - give it it's day in court, as it were.
Yes, I've used itching powder on helpless underarms - I like that!
Let's just say there are many ingenious parts of the body upon which
this substance will have an eye-opening effect <bigass grin>!
On 11 Dec 1999 20:55:55 GMT, girl...@aol.com (Girl1955) wrote:
>I saw some itching powder at a store called "hot topic" I think the ingrediant
>was rose hips? Would that be right? Have you ever used it on anyones armpits?
>
__________________________________________
New King of Swing
Would this make even a person who is not ticklish on her feet squirm?
MrClean
the next county! You'll see flaring nostrils, eyes rolling back in
the head . . . all the "good stuff"!
Ipowder can lend itself somewhat to tickling sensations, but mostly
you will get a maddening, insatiable itch, far beyond anything you've
ever experienced! One of my subs calls it a "fire itch".
DL
On 12 Dec 1999 14:24:55 EST, "New King of Swing"
<swingk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
__________________________________________
Nancy
would anyone want that done to them? Then again, some people might say that
about being tied down and tickled and I have been known to let that happen to
me once. Or was it twice? =)
Nancy
wifet...@my-deja.com
> In article <19991213210151...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
> I just WISH I could answer your question! I don't know! The last time
I think I ever even heard of itching powder it was joked about as some
stupid adolescent prank, usually to be applied to, shall we say, some
guys personal clothing in a gym locker room. I have never even known
what it was (or that there were different kinds). I can also offer you
my personal money back guaranty that it will never replace wife
tickling as my second favorite way to pass the time.
> I've neither experienced it, nor applied it to another. I have LERSS
THAN ZERO desire to apply it to the female of the species in this
house.
> For some strange reason, from the moment this thread was begun, just
thinking about it makes the bottom of my feet tingle. It feels like I'm
The Manchurian Candidate and someone triggered some deep forgotten post
hypnotic suggestion to have the wife teach me an itching powder lesson
I won't soon forget. What we need to do is have someone snap me out of
it before I walk into the trap of my life. Who's the director ijn this
story?
Nancy
me laugh!
Nancy
Women Tickler
>> For some strange reason, from the moment this thread was begun, just
>thinking about it makes the bottom of my feet tingle. It feels like I'm
>The Manchurian Candidate and someone triggered some deep forgotten post
>hypnotic suggestion to have the wife teach me an itching powder lesson
>I won't soon forget. What we need to do is have someone snap me out of
>it before I walk into the trap of my life. Who's the director ijn this
>story?
CUT! OK people, the bigwig's hate wifetickler's participation in this
thread. So you're outta here buddy. Please leave all desires and
urges involving itching poweder at the front desk. And you'll don't
come back now, ya hear?
dumb...@bonehead.org
Great suggestion - find a newsgroup that doesn't begin with ALT, and
appoint yourself UberFuhrer.
KUJMAN1
>the next county! You'll see flaring nostrils, eyes rolling back in
>the head . . . all the "good stuff"!
>
>Ipowder can lend itself somewhat to tickling sensations, but mostly
>you will get a maddening, insatiable itch, far beyond anything you've
>ever experienced! One of my subs calls it a "fire itch".
I would love for that sub to write us a note about it...and STILL want you guys
to visit!!! Toni and I are revamping the playroom just for it!
I have many new devices...
Tickle Master
this to unwilling or unwitting victims .. these young ladies eagerly
volunteer! :-) ..... you would be amazed what people like to do and have
done to them and I have witnessed far more unlikely things than that! (many
of which I have no desire whatsoever to participate in .. but .. I don't
have to!) ..... that is OK ....many people can't tolerate the idea of
tickling as a pastime or erotic foreplay ..... different strokes..... and I
have been shown many things I thought odd at first and later learned to
enjoy greatly *wicked smile* ...... there are already far too many people in
this world who see it their mission to tell others what they should and
should not do ..... (a disproportionate number seem to reside inside the DC
Beltway!)......
.... he enjoys doing it .. they enjoy having it done to them .. good enough
for me :-)
Tickle Master
> I agree. Anyone that would do that to someone has got to have a severe
mental
> problem. So I'm not surprised Kujman would be the one who takes joy in
doing
> that to someone.
>
>
>
JohnTK908
>would anyone want that done to them?
I agree. Anyone that would do that to someone has got to have a severe mental
wifet...@my-deja.com
> In article <19991215190646...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
john...@aol.com (JohnTK908) wrote:
> ...Anyone that would do that to someone has got to have a severe
mental problem. So I'm not surprised Kujman would be the one who takes
joy in doing that to someone...
> There are probably some number of billion people on earth that would
suggest that anyone with a fascination with tickling might be a
candidate for psychiatric care. My guess is anyone that makes his or
her way back to the tickle forum for the second time has a fascination
with tickling. Even I find it mildly interesting.
> One of the things that interests me is the idea that others are
willing to discuss tickling experiences. I don't know for sure about
anyone else, but some of the things I have read have given me some
ideas about fun things to try. I suspect that others here feel the same
way. I've often been curious if anyone has read some entry that moved
them to go tickle their unsuspecting partner who was just minding his
or her own business. I theorize it has happened. That's kind of a fun
thought. There are people on this forum that have dangerously ticklish
armpits, yet would like to find a way to make them ten times more so.
> Kujman has done some experimenting in the tactile stimulation area,
apparently both as a giver and receiver that he has posted over the
years. For me, the things he has written have stretched my imagination.
Kujman and Mr. Clean have described something here that has never
previously hit my radar screen. Yet, what they have described, FOR SOME
REASON, makes me want to take some classes in sanscrit. It just seems
interesting. I don't want anyone to put a bunch of fiberglass on my
feet. Yet if there is a natural substance out there or combination of
them that I can use to play with my wife, what a riot. If the wife were
to take it as a chance to become a devilish tease using the family of
things that tickle (or whatever), so much the better. I don't desire to
use it on anyone else. But I would like to experiment with me. There
can't be any doubt that the whole idea of itching powder has many
people here appalled. If I try it and discover it to be the invention
of Lucifer, I don't think I will try it again.
> But, if we try it and I like it, get me some more powder and an
appointment with the analyst. Both will be voluntary.
toyou
especially if they've been lurking in newsgroups!
I just heard something the other day that sums it up best: (I think it was
from Dennis Miller) "If you typed into a computer to find other people who
like screwing goats that are set on fire the computer would spit back:
Please specify what kind of goat."
~ toyou
"Have yourself a merry little Christmas..."
JohnTK908 <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991215190646...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> >Am I the only one who does NOT find this even the least bit appealing?
WHY
> >would anyone want that done to them?
>
> I agree. Anyone that would do that to someone has got to have a severe
Jake
Kindly take it to alt.sadistic.fucks. This has NOTHING to do with tickling.
Jeez, some of the people here need psychiatric help.
Puke Green
stranger locked in the stocks, they are gagged so they cannot protest--they
have no idea that they're going to be tickled or burned. They just think
they're going to sit there, and then the crowd has their way with the
victim. Pretty sick.
AREENACTOR
my self, in a heart beat! or allow my ex. to be in them!
i think you two, or three guys are showing your jealousy. and kujman didn't
start this thread! his name was put in as someone who my have used itching
powder at some time, during his vast tickling experience!
grow up and get a life!
steve
areen...@aol.com
Girl1955
Puke Green
someone else yells, "thou art jealous!!" well we aren't....we just think
it's sick! maybe you are into the tickling against ones will bullshit but i
am not and i know quite a few more people in here that hate the idea and
think it is rape...so fuck you....
Girl1955
>someone else yells, "thou art jealous!!" well we aren't....we just think
>it's sick! maybe you are into the tickling against ones will bullshit but i
>am not and i know quite a few more
>people in here that hate the idea and
>think it is rape...so fuck you...
Where do you get the idea that he holds anyone against their will?
QBWEAVER
people and molesting kids. Geez Louise!
Can't you see that many of the "stories" about KJ are taken from some of the
"ACTS" his troupe does at the RenFaires? Like the sheriff's daughter
kidnapping!!! That's part of the act at the RenFaire. The other stories are
all fabrications made by people just looking for their 15 minutes of fame I
guess.
And KJ would no more molest a child than he could become president overnight!
Those are all just sick, twisted fabrications that have surfaced from time to
time about the man. Have you ever researched the benefits he sang at for the
Cancer Society raising money for childrens cancer research? Nope... I bet you
haven't. Too bad because he has a WONDERFUL singing voice.
How do I know this? Well, he and I lived together from '97 to early '99. And
ticklegal moved in here too! So I have first hand experience.
Now... to the itching powder! If you're in an intense tickling scene the
itching powder can be a part of the scene that enhances the play. It's all
part of the mind games you play with the victim. You put the itching powder on
with a brush that tickles as you apply it. The powder then continues to do
it's trick on your tootsies and you end up begging to be tickled just to get
the itching powder off your feet!!!
You have to look at the use of the itching powder as part of the play in a
scene... a REAL intense tickle TORTURE scene where you are playing with the
top/bottom scenario and there is a power exchange. If you're not familiar with
those terms then this won't mean anything to you. But as one who's been
subjected to itching powder, and as one who has put itching powder on others,
it can be lots of fun playing the mind games that go along with it.
So... Sure it's not for everyone. And some folks think it's sick. Just like
some folks think that whipping another for pleasure is sick. And those folks
into whipping think WE'RE sick for enjoying tickling.
If we all just share our experiences we can help others learn about safe play
even with itching powder. There are MANY things you should Never do with
itching powder. But we need to learn to share things without putting others
down for their experences or desires. We can all learn so much from them.
Keep the lines of communication open for heavens sake.
Justy Hakubi
*SNIP*
Real life imitating an A.S.S.M. fic...
On an itching powder related note there was an incident at a beauty
contest a few years ago in Italy. A competitor was disqualified from
the event when it was discovered that itching powder was sprinkled in
the swimsuit of the known front runner. I wish I was there to see that
contest ^_^
I read that in News of the Weird.
Just a little useless trivia...
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Justy Hakubi
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Jake
> Where do you get the idea that he holds anyone against their will?
I can't answer that but the question is what does itching powder have to do with
TICKLNIG??? That is the topic of this newsgroup, remember? Please take the
itching powder, sneezing powder, burning wax and other medieval bullshit to
alt.sadomasochism.
Nancy
Nancy
wartorta
QBWEAVER
heheheheh
wartorta
LIKE????
Puke Green
theyre gonna be tickled in those stocks? no...if they did, they wouldnt get
in em....because then theyre gagged and molested by the crowd for god knows
how long....unable to protest...everyone thinks theyre part of the show so
they tickle without mercy....or beat their feet with wooden spoons....or
really whatever they want as long as it makes the victim
uncomfortable.....anyway in the days of old nobody was tickled in the
stocks......its just kjs way of spanking his monkey in the mens rest
room....
> The renfaires are an act, and a re-enactment of what happened in the "old
> days." Maybe you should do some reasearch, then you'd understand.
KUJMAN1
>stranger locked in the stocks, they are gagged so they cannot protest--they
>have no idea that they're going to be tickled or burned. They just think
>they're going to sit there, and then the crowd has their way with the
>victim. Pretty sick.
Yadda yadda yadda.Ya, sure. right. We've heard it all before.
Of course you are the idol of truth so I do this exactly as you say- every
year, for 20 some years now. When I'm not in prison, or dead from AIDS. And
they pay me to do this, too. And no one stops me. And their families allow me
to "kidnap" them. And they all look just like Heather Locklear. And it's called
the Rapist's stocks. Blah blah blah. Of course it's completely tolerated by all
the faires too. As we know how stupid they are, right?
And of course you have this "fact" on ....who's authority again? Oh yeah, a
little bird told you, right? well all the bird did was shit on your shoulder,
sicko.
Seems to me the truly sick fucks are the ones like Lime and johntk908.... who's
pathetic live revolve around spreading lies, never any FACTS, with their big
childish mouths- like assholes. And everyone else from people in my troupe, to
private encounteree's that have posted here, from Ticklegal to QB....... to
everyone who has played with us... well, they are all lying to "protect" me..
yes, you've guessed it! I have them cyber-hypnotized.
Also, please learn to read you moron. I did not start this thread about itching
powder and chastized the person who did for posting it here when it clearly
does not belong so.
Everytime one of your "types" opens his gangrenous mouth nothing but methane
escapes. That pretty much tells you where they're talking from.
First get the facts. You do know what those are, right? Also called the "truth"
in some cultures other than yours. Next get some mouthwash, please! Then get a
life.
Preferably the latter far far away from the rest of us.
And while you are at it, how about getting some balls to met me in person to
"discuss" this? Or since you haven't any balls for that, be man enough to do it
in private email and stop wasting other's time here?
Me.
KUJMAN1
>think it is rape
Funny... but they're all your names and personna's too.
I am still waiting for your facts little envious boy.
Rape is not tolerated by anyone, including me. And methinks thou best rephrase
this- for I know there are women here who have been raped and do not like this
term being used as a childish ploy for your ego.
JUDY08
>stranger locked in the stocks, they are gagged so they cannot protest--they
>have no idea that they're going to be tickled or burned. They just think
>they're going to sit there, and then the crowd has their way with the
>victim. Pretty sick.
I think you need to get to know Kurt instead of passing judgement on him. Maybe
if you actually took the chance to get to know him, you'd find out that he's a
really nice guy.
KUJMAN1
>
>
>Nancy
Nancy...
Shaaaaame on you! You make that sound as if I am guilty. Hummm. Please remember
that friendships work both ways... as has this one. If the shoe were on the
other foot- I would be there. And have been on unrelated occasions. But here-
because she is a female- she is not attacked. Nice community we got here folks!
You will note that no matter how much I mind my own business and stay
invisible, I am still attacked by the same small handful of nutz using various
different names: and they consist of assholes and morons or a combo of the two.
Jealous little envious boys.
QB is not standing up for me, it's more so: she simply speaks the truth on this
subject from being "in the know" and having facts and so forth in front of
her... including any charitable work I do, or racing or what be it..
This includes renfaires, and private scenes.
People forget that FACTS are often a nice thing to base opinions on, not lies
and rumors.
Jan and I have known and played together a long time... Tom (who also knows
Ticklegal well) knows this to be true.... so really the truth stands for
itself.
Now if people would take the goddamn time to get the truth and facts from me
and others, non of this nonsense would ever repeat.
But it'll never happen.
Nancy
that Jan was trying to set people straight. Standing up for you was a poor
choice of words. I know that you and Jan have an intense history and I find it
touching that you and she are still there for each other. I think there are so
many people around here who would never understand that, and for people to
actually believe that you would do anything as disgusting as rape or real
torture -- well, they're the ones who are sick. Hang in there.
Nancy
Jennifer W
I know I probably shouldn't go about this this way, but have not other
option really, lol,
At one time you had sent me several excellent pics.
Well, case in point, I lost them : ( and was wondering if you
could send me some new ones? They would be most
appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!! You probably do not
remember me though and that is my fault. Had no phone for 5 months.
I love the renfair tales and such. Never knew that you did all of the
benefit work though. Is that on the web somewhere? just curious.
Would love to see all that you have done to help others. Even not
knowing you personally I kinda fel I do because you post in kinda the
same manner I do. State facts and tehn let it go. And rewspond to
those making sense about the whole thing.
Good on you!!!
Jennifer
AKA
D O T ( Devil's Own Tickler) :)
JIMBLAST
KUJMAN1
>bored...
And the methane grows stronger.
And who is cowering, other than you, which is as it should be.
Big words- coming from a thief and a liar, Jim... (yes we all remember well who
you are, Bob's old old old old buddy)... I would expect you to be bored by the
truth, because you can't take it and use it without putting any effort into it-
like you do with other's materials...
You would also be bored as by anyone who has anything of value to offer in the
way of actual experience... or someone who through hard work and with little
help has achieved many things in tickling (unlike you, coward)... when you can
j/o in a darkened closet to your stolen materials. That takes some guts.
Stick to gazing into the mirror- thats the only person that adores you.
By the way- please refresh us- ah, just what have you ever offered that is
actually your work? Or are you competing for the title of Mr. Asshole # 2 when
it comes fanning flames?
Bottom line: I went out and DID the hard work, while you and your buddies went
out and STOLE it. Any more bigs words to post?
Merry Xmas
KUJMAN1
You could have just contacted me in email Jen!
I'll replace your stuff. I hope all is better with you now, phone and
life-wise... having any fun in tickling??
These guys think they really bother me when they post- actually I see it as a
game of wits. There is no contest. I win hands down every time because they
have nothing but lies they cant back up! I hit them with fact..and they vanish
like mildew, lol.
And have you ever noticed that NONE of them has ever offered anyone original
material? Or achieved anything? All they do is take take take
So I get a kick out of hitting them back at times... other times I just ignore
them as I have little time for children on the NG's. Like TickleGal says- "You
stop playing with those children in that sandbox right now young man! They are
sitting home reading the NG's when you are actually doing the tickling, right?"
Yep. She's right.
I feel sorry for them in many ways- specially at Christmas- as I know they have
no one in their lives to share this with and thats what makes them so bitter.
KJ
KUJMAN1
So... Ready to be smashed flat again with fact and not lies?
Could your views be any further from the truth or more twisted- Methinks not.
But they are getting amusing now that you have my entire troupe of two decades
suddenly vanished into thin air... and audience volunteers only helping. Or
being kidnapped.
Of course their family members and friends just allow it to happen too! Nice
people! What's your explanation there? Can you see how moronic you appear here?
So please tell us- just how do I get all of these innocents into the various
costumes required, instantly teach them the lingo needed to converse, instantly
teach them the scripts and characters so they can carry in the two-way act with
the entire passing Shire, as well as the Good Queen Mother...
... and- as proven by the photos- also get the SAME EXACT people (innocent
visitors) day in and day out for the run of the fair, ever year- year in and
year out??
Not to mention, why do the same "volunteering" people who are hating this and
so forth as you say keep coming back if it's so bad?
They must be some damn dedicated masochistic visitors!
Oh.. And why do the faires hire me? Hummm. I sure wouldn't.
Food for thought, bozo. Too bad its not Fish- you can use the brain food.
SO.. we are STILL WAITING for your facts Sir- please don't disappoint your
limited but loyal following of scam and jerk-off artisians! Should be easy
right?
1)How many shows have you seen and where?
2)Photos please? Names of those who went?
3)Show us the proof please and where you get your information from...
..or don't bother looking like a further fool and wasting our good time with
childish games. C'mon- you can do better than "I just know"... you're an
expert- lets see the proof. Dont give up now! You make us laugh a lot- and
thats good.
Your turn now, Egghead Magee!!
Puke Green
old are you again? you still live with your mommy? i thought you were like
50 or something....
who exactly do you think you are? god?
this is one who aint gonna bow down to your sorry ass...loser...
KUJMAN1
anything you said... and cowardly avoid facing reality or the truth once again
by skiping the direct questions posed to you... as most liars do.
That is unless you have answers now perhaps? Nope? Sad. I thought you would be
more competitive since you claim to know everything about me without ever
having met or seen me. Should have been easy to prove them- but you're just
another asshole I suppose. Methinks me smelleth methane passing once again.
>god kujman, arent you the biggest >crybaby sissy ive ever seen here..
Hummm... the only one I see crying the blues.... is you! And thats because I
didn't lay down and swallow your shit? Gee- too bad baby. Or- wait a minute I
get it now! Your rule says that only you can attack, and I not defend? Another
act of cowardice I'm afraid. <sigh>
>..how old are you again? you still live with > your mommy?
Yeah, right! How'da guess Sherlock? In fact, she tucks me in every night too.
Tells me bedtime stories about the boogey man and and you gettin' it on!
> i thought you were like
>50 or something....
Shucks, I'm busted. yep- I'm 55, or 57. Ah 90? N-N-NO wait! I'm really 65! NO!
81. Maybe I'm 35? And you forgot to mention I have two blue glass eyes, one
cracked, a wooden leg with termites, I'm totally bald but grow a long beard and
comb it over my head, and because I'm hung like a horse I need a walker to move
around when I'm in prison.
Guess again! You must've been dreamin'
You certainly insisit on proving your stupidity to everyone. You actually
flaunt it, jeesh- specially since many have met me here and will chuckle at
that.
>this is one who aint gonna bow down to your sorry ass<
Yeah? LOL, Seems you already have.You lost the fight in the first round. No
ammo.
>who exactly do you think you are? god?
Nope. But you act as if I am- with your envy acrimoniously spuing forth. I can
picture your room at the boarding house now, the walls lined with photos of my
many tickling activities over the years- as you lay on the bed and... well, we
sort of know what goes on there.
I am just one of God's many creatures, like you. Fortunately you and I are set
apart by many years of evolution. I walk on two feet, think intelligently, and
my knuckles don't drag the ground.
When you raise yourself to those levels and your knuckles heal, please continue
this thread- because your insipid posts disappoint me.
The REAL question is: who are YOU?
What have you done? Please show us! Inquiring minds want to know.
While you're at it... how about answering the questions posed right TO you in
the other posts- like a man! huh? Nah- you'll avoid them.
The three words that best describe you- are as follows, and I quote:
Stink! Stank! STUNK!