I'm sorry you find the truth insulting.

Let me quote some of your own words from previous articles:

%% People often get confused between amature and understated. I'm sure you'll
%% understand one of these days, soon.
%%
%% The offer is withdrawn because I have my 3 clients now, you whining fool.
%%
%% I've never seen such a bunch of whining morons.

Please, if you will, let me know who is resorting to insults?  Who has stooped
to a very low level?

Like I said, USENET is a tough crowd.  If you don't have your act together,
someone WILL point it out to you.

--Adam
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a...@mudlist.eorbit.net
ICQ 27422092

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You've still not stated *how* big it is.  The word 'best' is always a matter
of opinion when applied to muds.  Most people think their mud is the best,
and to them it is.  Certainly I've yet to see anyone create a mud which is
as close to *my* 'ideal' mud as mine is - but then I've spent years trying to
*create* my ideal mud.  If I prefered someone elses mud to mine then I'd
have to wonder why on earth I was still bothering to work on my own.

KaVir.

you should take your own advice, after all you're the one who stooped
to name calling first wish your calling people whining.

No, clearly you were lying, since it took you this long to restate you
words, you're just trying to clear up your bad press with excuses.

   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'd like to know, I'm betting less than 2%

So would the IMP's at the mud care to take a gander at the really
pathetic way you're represented yourself and their mud? I wonder.

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You should hop on over to dictionary.com and actually look up the word
no one here was whining, we bitched, we made fun of, we pointed out
flaws
lies and hypocrisy, but no one here actually whined.

Ignorance of the facts is no excuse, did you bother to read the groups
for a couple days/weeks before posting, did you review other ads to
see what is and isn't successful? You jumped right in with both feet
firmly planted in your mouth and caught both barrels of the terrible
fact that usenet is not for lightweights.

And yet another veiled insult, too cool.. must be what they teach at
microsloth.

Yuoi claimed it was understated, the reply was it was barren...
nobody asked for flah, java or any of that crap

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You're leaning curve is MUCH too slow, you really think you can
take the high ground of maturity NOW after the complete fool you've
made of yourself here? og PUH-LEase, you're truly amusing.

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Ah, cash, the power that controls all, I guess integrity never comes
to mind these days, quality, craftsmanship, it's all chaff in the
wind next to cash.

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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:11:10 +0100, Calmor <caroli...@zinc.co.uk>
wrote:

Resorting to morphing to avoid filters is really no way to behave. Get back
in that killfile and stop changing your name.

--
The Wildman     ICQ# 32609427
Fight spam - http://www.spamfree.org
Five is a sufficiently close approximation to infinity.

Well, I guess your welcome.  Kinda Sorta.

Bah, noone was whining, we were critizing.  Yes can't we all take
Constructive Criticizm?  But someone who can take non-constructive
criticizm, no matter how much they insult you, insult your work, or demean
either takes  a great will.

Ahh yes, the old Kissing up routine.  Let me tell you, it doesn't work, or
at least it only works to an extent.  I wonder what kinda suits your used
to.  I mean look at this thread, it's disingrated into a flame war *rolls
his eyes*  First someone criticizes you, then you stand up fro yourself and
call them a whiner.  I hope you don't do that at a business meeting.

Oh? I agree with you on that point M$ is easier to work with, they tell you
exactly what needs to be done, and you become a drone.  Try working for a
small (next to M$) company who has heard of the power of the web and wants
_you_ to come and give them a web presence.  First you have to learn as much
as you can about the company, and then present it to the very critical 'net
community in an appropriate way.  Give me a M$ contract any day.

Well get used to the criticizm.  If you think we are tough, postiung this on
comp.www.authoring would have gotten you a lot of 'whiners' as you call
them.  You did tell us it was understated, that's fine and all, but what I
saw was not understated, what I saw was a bunch of text files displayed with
some fancy buttons and a neat graphic. (I liked the Graphic it was kewl).
But I don't call that an understated webpage.  I built one like that for my
own mud, after getting the text typed out, it took me 15-20 minutes to
hammer down the html and slip in the buttons.

--Ashon

okok - Well if you have a spare, like 20 minutes and have looked at the last
100 postings to this E-Mail - you'll see that I'm getting a bit of a
hammering from the rest of the group.  I actually give up on that lot now,
waving the white flag, game over, I quit.. well done guys! *standing
ovation*

OK, I clearly have to learn to take 'that kind of criticism - It just bugs
me because I DO work in the industry, and I felt that the comments were too
malicious to be constructive. I'm just not used to people coming from an
'internet' angle rather than a 'Microsoft' angle.

Heh, to be honest, I don't really deal with clients that much.. I'm just in
'production' where we sit in a humid basement and drink Diet Coke, while
passing round 'Star Wars' screen-savers (or something). I do have my
superiors though who liase with Microsoft - I just tend to do what they say.

Heh, well of course Microsoft don't have their own web-team.. they just hire
out smaller companies - I happen to be on the Microsoft team, maybe with
good reason; I don't know *laughs*.  Sometimes it's nice to know exactly
what you have to do.

If you're interested (Probably not by now), but I'm designing a site for a
band which is at http://members.tripod.com/watford_junction/hefner.htm

It's in the very early stages - just so they can look and see if they like
it.

Criticize me go-on! I can take it! *laughs manicly*

Caroline.

    Okay.. In the beginning you said we had to have out own domain.... This
guy certainly does not!

That's my website! I'm just hosting it there for approval purposes.

Ummm, It appears to be the same format as the other website you posted.
Nice Buttons on the Left.  A Graphic in the Upperright hand corner, and lots
of text.  And what does it have to do with a Band?  All the txt I got dealt
with SQL servers....

Now don't take this the wrong way, though you probably will
but thats terrible, the yellow is garish and it goes poorly
with that blue, the images/buttons look as if a child drew
them, your tables border color doesn't match the rest of the
blue, I've never really cared for the sans serif/ariel font
it's much too plain, the hefner logo from the right top of
the table needs to be rescanned at a MUCH higher DPI, and
should also be run through a 'despeckle' filter (I recommend
PhotoShop, it is the best) you should also make it at least
25% larger so it's easier to see and identify what page you
viewing.

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Heh, thanks for the comments - but I don't think that you're familiar with
the band that the website is for - They're actually quite big here, read
on..

Yes, It is quite garish - a comment a few other people have said, hmm.. then
they *are* quite a garish band I guess.

the images/buttons look as if a child drew

Heh - a child DID draw them, they've been scanned off the album.

your tables border color doesn't match the rest of the

Fair enough.

the hefner logo from the right top of

Larger yes, less speckly - no; again - that's what it looks like on the
album.

I had a look at your site btw, and you'll be pleased to hear that I really
really hate it. But as you didn't ask me to have a look at it, I shan't
critisize it.

Caroline.

Well - that's true *shrug*

That's right - it's just a template - they haven't given me any text yet so
I needed something to fill it out.

As I said in email, PLEASE do, this should be amusing, blast away.
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Well, where do I start??

The front page is very amateur looking for a start.  The title is just a
mish-mash of filters and effects - it's too big, both in physical size and
file size.

The buttons are hilariously bad, and in a bordered table too which looks
very poor.  These buttons again are just filtered to buggery. The writing..
bright green? I don't think so - really looks poor.  And again, red writing
at the bottom, not co-ordinated at all, also very hard to read.

The counter - is a sort of cheap looking LCD display - not very dungeons and
dragons really?

This is just the main page of course.. I don't want to go on too much, maybe
a bit longer.

On the about me section, you have those revolting pink lines, which you've
either chiefed from some 'free web-page stuff' site, or glued together with
filters.

Where's the navigation gone?.. Very poor.

The writing on here is too big and looks messy - Why have you changed the
font? (Consistency is the KEY) If it weren't so large you could fit it on
one page - then it wouldn't be such a tiresome journey to the bottom of the
page.

Yes, like the tired old mail anim at the bottom, I used to have that too.

I won't go on.

Caroline.

Amature looking, ok, it fits in a single 800x600 screen with no need for
scrolling, it's neat & compact. The title isn't "a mish-mash of filters
and effects", too big? it's 19.5k, the eitire page is under 35k
recommended
size for fast loading, as for it being physically too big, thats your
opinion, it fits the page.

The writing's blue (shade of cyan) better check your settings and see
if you're not in 256 color mode. Whats wrong with the buttons, you
offer insults and mockery but nothing constructive.

Did I mention Dungeons & Dragons, is there a even a SINGLE reference to
DnD anywhere on on the site? did I ever state in here that the page HAD
anything to do with DnD?

pink?! You REALLY should get your monitor (or eyes) checked, or as I
said
check your system settings, the main color in the bars is purple, a dark
purple at that, in fact there IS no pink, magenta, and green yes, but no
pink.

Define? You feel it necessary to have big clumsy navigation on every
page?
the site is linear, there's no way to get lost.

changed the font? unlike too many people today I don't specify font face
in my documents, all too often people don't have the particular font.
If you didn't like the font, it's your default setting in your browser
and not my problem. any actual text on any of the pages is in fact set
in the default browser font. they letters are large because *I* have
bad eyes and wanted it readable by anyone, how this is 'messy' is
something in your mind and not this reality.

[shrug]

thank the gods. Oddly enough out of over 200 or so people who've
taken the time to comment on the page, not everyone liked it but
you were the only one who felt the need to be condecending and
insulting not what you'd expect from a PRO looking at a personal
homepage.

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19.5K - that is quite bulky in my opinion, I like my images to be under 5K.
For people with slower modems.. they'd have to waid a good few seconds for
the image to load, and the end result is frankly dissapointing (But that's
just my opinion)

I'm sorry if you don't like the way I wrote my critisizm, but it certainly
is constructive - I pointed out that the colours were bad and the buttons
looked over - filtered.. sounds constructive to me.

Oh dear, you seem to be getting upset.  I think that wether I said green,
blue or cyan is not an issue at all - the issue is that It is not a look
that appeals to me at all, whatever damn shade of blue it is.

When I say DnD, I mean the whole MUD thing as a whole - as in the era, I
didn't mean DnD(tm).  Sorry, that IS confusing, I should have made myself
more clear.

Colours Colours Colours - Theres no use in critisizing my eyes or moniter,
the complaint I had was nor relevant to wether it was pink or purple, but
it's still a nasty contrast, and, as you would say.. 'garish'

Fair enough - I just like to get back to pages in 1 click withough having to
press back loads of times.

Yes, hardly anyone has Arial or verdana these days... and even if they
don't.. it'll go to the default font anyway.

Just the first thing that popped into my head..

the yellow is garish and it goes poorly
with that blue, the images/buttons look as if a child drew
them, your tables border color doesn't match the rest of the
blue, I've never really cared for the sans serif/ariel font
it's much too plain, the hefner logo from the right top of
the table needs to be rescanned at a MUCH higher DPI, and
should also be run through a 'despeckle' filter (I recommend
PhotoShop, it is the best) you should also make it at least
25% larger so it's easier to see and identify what page you
viewing. <-- Likewise I'm sure

 not what you'd expect from a PRO looking at a personal

Perhaps you should start to expect this in future, You were quite damning in
your report on my site, so I expected something much MUCH better from yours.
Still, sometimes it's nice to be dissapointed.. as a (ahem) PRO, as you put
it.. I'm MORE likley to write a critical report of your site, especially
when you were so critical of mine.

When I said I was going to review you site, you replied..

It seems to have been quite upsetting for you instead.

Ciao,

Caroline.

        Hell, I think both your web designs suck, but having to wade
through this crap day in and day out is worse.

-axl

Don't then.

forcing yourself to veiw messages that you know you won't like and then
complaining about it is a bit 'Mary Whitehouse' in my opinion.

Not to mention you have created more crap to wade through, as have I, but I
derive sick pleasure from this sort of thing. he he.

Got anything better to show?

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19.5k at 14.4 is about 12 seconds, if you're modem is slower than
that you shouldn't be on the internet, with 33.6 modems selling
for $9 now there's no excuse to go slow, or code poor graphics
to cater to people who won't upgrade.

the issue is you can't tell the difference between cyan and what you
call 'bright green' or purple and what you call 'pink' you're NOT
seeing colors correctly on your system is these are the colors you're
seeing.

Again, is there a single reference to any mud on my personal page?
did I imply in any way, shape or form that this page was about, or
had anything to do with muds?

Wait you criticize colors as being something you don't like but then
turn around and try to say the colors had nothing to do with it?
yeah, YOU make sense.

there's 'back to where you came from' on every page inside the site.

Therefore your complaint about changing the font is invalid, since every
bit of actual text on the pages is set to display default user fonts.

I don't get your likewise comment, since you tried to criticize my
logo image for being too big, as for the rest of my comments do you
any snotty, condescending comments as you used? course not.

I said to myself "self, what would happen if you offered this
silly ninny a chance to redeem herself in the public eye, give
her a chance to show she's the pro she claims to be, all she
has to do is write a fair review of a page, she could even
be critical, but offer her the chance to show her professional
side, think she could do it?"

and almost instantly I answered me "Not a chance, she's going
to tear into you and be as insulting as possible, to get back
at you for what you had to say."

and I was right, you had a clear shot for some integrity here,
and you couldn't resist throwing in the snotty comments, you
blew it, good going!

And remember, if you can, I never once presented myself as
a professional, I never posted a web page URL and asked the
public for their opinions, I only lead you down the path
to a chance to look like what you claim to be, besides
you're an amusing little puppet, I pull the strings, you
dance. Do you REALLY think I cared a rats ass for what
you thought of my page? I knew exactly how you were going
to react the second I typed "Oh PLEASE do, this should be
interesting."

Gave ya a chance....

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No fair, taking it to EMAIL and leaving me out?
Shame Shame Shame!

Okay I will Critique Hawk's Web page.

The top graphic is actually quite ghastly with the chosen colors.  (And the
dropped shadow doesn't really work on a black background)

Personally I'm old school and would rather have a table then frames. So
Huzzah there.

Clamor: Where the Hack is the MUD references?

The Text on the ME page is kinda funky, and would be for anyone, so you
might think about 'forcing' a font on the viewers one a little more
pleasant.

Links to previous page is kinda lame, try using the much more used index at
the bottom of the page:

[HOME][ABOUT ME][PICS][ETC...]
It's just a tad bit nicer.

Other then that Im a Goth and _love_ your pictures!

12 Seconds!? That's a lifetime on the internet 1.. 2.. 3..

No.  What I'm seeing, is what I'm seeing - it doesn't matter if I got the
damn colour names wrong - pedant.

Well, it certainly gives that impression, what with the gothic graphics and
stuff.

colour NAMES have nothing to do with it.

What if I didn't want to go back where I came form, but to another section
of the site?

No, the fonts on the main page are different to that of the rest of the
site.

Bullshit, you were just setting me up so that you could critisize me, anyone
could see that.

Believe me, I was not as insulting as possible - I thought I was quite
reserved actually.

Blew what? The chance to be in the elite alt.mug gang? No thanks - Perhaps
you speak for everyone in your comments - but I think that anyone can see
what a tantrum your having.

That is HYSTERICAL! Why did you even BOTHER posting a reply or trying to
prove me wrong about the comments I made?? If you really didn't care, you
would have said 'yeah whatever' But instead you tried to defend your
precious site.  What a joker.

 I knew exactly how you were going

Well done, bit invalidated thoughas mentioned above.

Oooo, please don't be angry Mr Hawky - give me another chance.. please!

And before you bother to type it, just bare in mind that at no point was I
trying to be 'in' with the alt.mud gang, I was just advertising my friends
MUD - and I assure you that your dislike for me/and/or the MUD has not
damaged the usage of the game whatsoever, and the usage has in fact gone up
since posting the advert.

I leave you with this piece of irony.  Microsoft have recently BANNED the
use of Front Page with regards to development on ANY of their sites.