Re: SPAM Alert
David Candy
Kelly
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"David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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"Kelly" <ke...@mvps.org> wrote in message news:e%23Xal68b...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Tim Robinson
"I'm an MVP!".
But it seems odd that Timo continues to post his FAQs, in irrelevant groups,
despite the fact that the resident MVPs in said groups have asked him not
to.
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David Candy wrote:
> Excellent.
Marco Maier
> I wouldn't dream of abusing my position as MVP, even if it is just to say
> "I'm an MVP!".
>
> But it seems odd that Timo continues to post his FAQs, in irrelevant groups,
> despite the fact that the resident MVPs in said groups have asked him not
> to.
>
Timo Salmi
> I wouldn't dream of abusing my position as MVP, even if it is just to say
> "I'm an MVP!".
> But it seems odd that Timo continues to post his FAQs, in irrelevant groups,
> despite the fact that the resident MVPs in said groups have asked him not
> to.
Who are acting like nothing but common net hooligans with no
netiquette manners, and consequently ignored as such.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=cbh0k7$h...@poiju.uwasa.fi
All the best, Timo
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Kelly
As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's
and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
In addition, read the new Newsspam FAQ v1.5 (which also covers ECP/EMP) and
use it! :o) Speaking of, taken directly from his headers: Warning: Junk /
bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and reported.
Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
complexity of some sort is most probable, stated by many.
Question to ponder for the rest of the readers here: What if "everyone" who
had a link/page/site/faq, etc that pertained to Windows in some fashion,
posted that said link here every two weeks?
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Kelly
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2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
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"Tim Robinson" <tim.at.gaat.f...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Timo Salmi
> Tim,
I won't counter the misspelling.
> As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's
> and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
> Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
Please show that you should be taken seriously by first doing some
proper cleaning of your own house:
1) Anonymity
2) Overquoting
3) Top posting
4) Excessive signaturing
With all those netiquette flaws there is no indication whether you
are on a bona fide mission or just part of the inevitable Usenet
news nuisance background noise. If good evidence of the former, then
I'll consider listening.
The same goes likewise, or even more for your partner in arms David
Candy, exept that 1 is replaced by his (still worse) Nazi
insinuations and his uncouth language such as shown by
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c6rm8k$k...@poiju.uwasa.fi
Si Ballenger
wrote:
>Tim,
>
>As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's
>and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
>
>In addition, read the new Newsspam FAQ v1.5 (which also covers ECP/EMP) and
>use it! :o) Speaking of, taken directly from his headers: Warning: Junk /
>bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and reported.
>
>Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
>complexity of some sort is most probable, stated by many.
>
>Question to ponder for the rest of the readers here: What if "everyone" who
>had a link/page/site/faq, etc that pertained to Windows in some fashion,
>posted that said link here every two weeks?
Look at your excessivly long sig file. You post the links you
complain about ***every time you post***. MVP pot calling the
Timo kettle black! Guess we be pondering! ;-)
Timo Salmi
> He slipped through, this time, David. But will be a goner soon.
Sounds a bit like a declaration of cancel-bot-wars. If need be, I
know how to play that particular game both ways, so please be
forewarned.
All the best, Timo
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Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Useful script files and tricks ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tscmd.zip
David Candy
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"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrlhn$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
David Candy
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"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrlhn$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
Al Dunbar
"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:53:10 -0500, "Kelly" <ke...@mvps.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Tim,
> >
> >As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's
> >and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
> >
> >In addition, read the new Newsspam FAQ v1.5 (which also covers ECP/EMP)
and
> >use it! :o) Speaking of, taken directly from his headers: Warning:
Junk /
> >bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and reported.
> >
> >Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
> >complexity of some sort is most probable, stated by many.
> >
> >Question to ponder for the rest of the readers here: What if "everyone"
who
> >had a link/page/site/faq, etc that pertained to Windows in some fashion,
> >posted that said link here every two weeks?
>
> Look at your excessivly long sig file. You post the links you
> complain about ***every time you post***. MVP pot calling the
> Timo kettle black! Guess we be pondering! ;-)
My main concern with Timo's "Frequently Asked Questions about CMD.EXE
Command Line Scripts" is that they are posted with a certain air of
authority, and seemingly represent the official charter of the groups he
posts to. I have no problem with the content, and consider him to be a
useful contributor. But it has been a long time since I read one of his FAQ
postings.
So the question is: is this perhaps useful for newbies? and is it at odds
with the ideas of whoever hosts/sponsours the newsgroup?
/Al
David Candy
He can post his crap to alt and comp and I don't care or have an opinion. Just not here to MSNEWS (as he helps noone here) and especially not to general (as it's fairly irrelevent).
To me he is a taker and abuser. His sole purpose is to drive traffic to his site. The traditional way of doing that is to answer questions and put site in sig. He wants traffic without putting in any work.
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David Candy
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"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:41018bca....@news.comporium.net...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:44:28 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >You are going to take on Microsoft? They're the only ones that cancel =
> >messages (hundreds a day). You slip through because your posts aren't =
> >about viagra.
>
> Wow, how usenet clueless can you get!
David Candy
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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
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"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:4101a09b....@news.comporium.net...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:53:58 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >As any message posted scrolls off the web page within 10 to 30 minutes, =
> >and 99% of people access this via a web page - they call this a chat =
> >room, virtually no-one sees it. Except us who answer questions. And we =
> >see it all too often. If he wants to be usefull he needs to call it DOS =
> >so the people who he is posting to know what it is as that's what they =
> >call it. Though usually they want to know how to reboot to dos. His FAQ =
> >does not answer the questions about DOS.
> >
> >He can post his crap to alt and comp and I don't care or have an =
> >opinion. Just not here to MSNEWS (as he helps noone here) and especially =
> >not to general (as it's fairly irrelevent).
> >
> >To me he is a taker and abuser. His sole purpose is to drive traffic to =
> >his site. The traditional way of doing that is to answer questions and =
> >put site in sig. He wants traffic without putting in any work.
>
> I would think he is probably smiling right now. Hope he sees this
> before it "scrolls off the web page within 10 to 30 minutes".
> ;-)
Hilary Karp
suggestion have even a miniscule amount of validity. Kelly contributes
tirelessly to help people out in these rooms. I have never seen Timo
contribute one thing here except for his spam. Kelly is one of the most
respected and well liked members of this community just because of all
she gives.
Hilary Karp
is no comparison.
Si Ballenger wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:40:47 -0700, Hilary Karp
> <hilar...@comcast.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>>There is absolutely no comparison between Tim and Kelly to make your
>>suggestion have even a miniscule amount of validity. Kelly contributes
>>tirelessly to help people out in these rooms. I have never seen Timo
>>contribute one thing here except for his spam. Kelly is one of the most
>>respected and well liked members of this community just because of all
>>she gives.
>
>
> Not to knock Kelly, but these aren't "rooms", but usenet news
> groups. MS has very cleverly made a web based usenet news reader
> and called it their "community" and try to take credit for all
> the postings. I assume you post through the below site, thinking
> that it is all done by and under the control of MS. Bzzzzzt!
> Below are your posting headers showing how your post are actually
> being sent to usenet. Obviously MS is keeping you in the dark
> about what is really going on.
>
> http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:40:47 -0700
> From: Hilary Karp <hilar...@comcast.nospam.net>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
> rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
> X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Subject: Re: SPAM Alert
> References: <ts200407220...@majakka.uwasa.fi>
> <#T#HD08bE...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> <e#Xal68bE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>
> <#QlokB9b...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> <2mao1pF...@uni-berlin.de>
> <eu1lVKJc...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>
> <410153c5....@news.comporium.net>
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> Newsgroups:
> alt.msdos.batch.nt,microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-161-8-191.client.comcast.net 67.161.8.191
> Path:
> news.infoave.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.giganews.com.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
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> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:558873
>
Kelly
What a mature approach and mindset, Timo!
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Have a Great Day,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
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"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message
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David Candy
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"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrinp$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
David Candy
1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names. It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the 'charter' that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email addresses.
2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post older than x days.
3. We can post however we want.
4. We can sig however we want.
However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are posting your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially owned and are for support of the owner's software.
I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of Conduct.. You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the material anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors.
If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people would tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here.
And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who are overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a virtue.
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"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrinp$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
Marco Maier
These newsgroups are free. If they want to be in charge of a newsgroup tell them
to get one and moderate it.
David Candy
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"Marco Maier" <marcomaie...@Myahoo.it> wrote in message news:rKrMc.45498$5D1.2...@news4.tin.it...
Michael Bednarek
in alt.msdos.batch.nt, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,
microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>They do. Timo keeps spamming here. As I said he can do what he wants in
>Alt or Comp. He is the one talking about standards. He is breaching the
>CHARTER of THIS group.
Your assertions are highly questionable; however, if you think so, then
why the fuck don't you keep your invectives to the newsgroups you are so
concerned about and out of alt.msdos.batch and comp.*.
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>http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
(Although I like your choice in books)
>"Marco Maier" <marcomaie...@Myahoo.it> wrote in message =
>news:rKrMc.45498$5D1.2...@news4.tin.it...
>> These newsgroups are free. If they want to be in charge of a newsgroup
>>tell them to get one and moderate it.
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Marco Maier
> They do. Timo keeps spamming here. As I said he can do what he wants in Alt or Comp. He is the one talking about standards. He is breaching the CHARTER of THIS group.
>
No it is not moderated, otherwise you wouldn't see his messages at all
David Candy
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"Marco Maier" <marcomaie...@Myahoo.it> wrote in message news:1NtMc.46165$5D1.2...@news4.tin.it...
Marco Maier
> It's a computer that does most of the moderation, and it does it after the post is posted,
too bad!
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"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:410278d9....@news.comporium.net...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:09:02 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names. =
> >It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the =
> >'charter' that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email =
> >addresses.
>
> Others use their real names too. Kelly probably appreciates you
> putting her surname out to the world.
>
> >2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group =
> >gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post =
> >older than x days.
>
> You are only deleting your post on the MS news server which you
> log into (I hope you aren't trying to start a control cancel
> war).
>
> >3. We can post however we want.
>
> Anybody else can too.
>
> >4. We can sig however we want.
>
> Anyone else can too.
>
> >However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are =
> >posting your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially =
> >owned and are for support of the owner's software.
>
> Your "private" NNPT server is getting its news feed from and
> posting to the public usenet system.
>
> >I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this =
> >groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of =
> >Conduct.. You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the =
> >material anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors.
>
> MS has no control over what people post to usenet. They only have
> control of what comes and goes from their news server (which you
> apparently use), not the thousands of others in the world where
> they get their news feed
>
> >If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people =
> >would tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here.
>
> That is only your opinion.
>
> >And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who =
> >are overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a =
> >virtue.
>
> You do know you could be speaking Japanese. ;-)
>
> >From http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm
> >USE OF SERVICES
>
> *snip*
>
> The "use of services" only applies to the MS web based news
> server you are logging into. That is all that MS controls. They
> have no control over the other servers in the world. If you don't
> like the outside world, then start a privte AOL type of "chat
> room".
David Candy
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"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:41029889....@news.comporium.net...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:01:08 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >Look f*ckhead, just don't spam here. It's simple.
>
> This is totally unacceptable! Why is MS allowing MPVs like you to
> use such vulger language in this MS controlled help room? Shame
> on you and shame on MS for allowing this behavior!
>
>
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:01:08 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >Look f*ckhead, just don't spam here. It's simple.
>
> use such vulger language in this MS controlled help room? Shame
> on you and shame on MS for allowing this behavior!
Seconded. Granted, MS has no control over what an MVP says or does here or
anywhere else. Still, I would think that there are probably more than two of
us who see this as a poor example of professionalism, to say the least.
/Al
David Candy
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"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eh0LZOac...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
responsibility for your own behaviour.
/Al
"David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:er4eiSac...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
recommend your best approach would be to first behave more professionally.
Now, there is no hard and fast set of absolute rules one could follow to
be"professional", but if there were, using foul language and showing
disrespect in public discussions would likely be near the top of the list.
/Al
"David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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David Candy
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"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OE$1EjacE...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> "David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
> I'm not an MVP and they don't let me. It's why I have to use an asterisk.
>
>> If you want to be an MVP, or be thought of as one, so badly, then I would
>> recommend your best approach would be to first behave more professionally.
>> Now, there is no hard and fast set of absolute rules one could follow to
>> be"professional", but if there were, using foul language and showing
>> disrespect in public discussions would likely be near the top of the list.
Hi Al,
David isn't a MVP now but he was some years ago, so I think he
knows what it is about...
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Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
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David Candy
You and your mate spam here. You are interfering with those who volunteer their time, which you don't. We've been through this before you piece of dog SH1T.
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"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ukAESjac...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message news:ecN812ac...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Marco Maier
> It's a computer that does most of the moderation, and it does it after the post is posted,
OK, you don't know the difference between moderated and free newsgrops
Hilary Karp
activity that is so self serving in nature. Timo gives nothing to this
community, he volunteers nothing. Let him do his promotions elsewhere.
>
> It is apparent that you have no real clue as to how the site you
> log into operates.
>
>
Al Dunbar
>>You answer one question a day or so. I answer 100.
>>You are a spammer. You should leave these groups too.
Well, we are all allowed to have our own opinions, and you are most
certainly welcome to yours. I will leave it to others to come to their own
conclusions about whether or not the net effect of my contributions to
various groups (certainly less than your stellar 100 answers per day) is
negative or positive, or whether or not I am a spammer (cite one example
where I have directed somone to my own site for the purpose of selling
anything).
>>You and your mate spam here. You are interfering with
>>those who volunteer their time, which you don't. We've
>>been through this before you piece of dog SH1T.
I have no "mate" on usenet - you seem to have succumbed to the notion that
all of those that disagree with you are all in agreement on everything else.
Not sure how I am interfering with those who volunteer their time. In your
case, for example, you could just as easily ignore my posts if this silly
argument is taking up too much of your time.
As to the name-calling, I hope you are enjoying it, as it is not doing
anything for or to me. As to wasting your time, my comments on the
"professionalism" of swearing and not showing others respect was intended
strictly as a suggestion I think you would benefit from. Apparently they
fell on the deaf ears of someone who has difficulty with the idea of being
objective. My fault for assuming you capable of rational discussion.
/Al
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message
news:ecN812ac...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> > "David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > I'm not an MVP and they don't let me. It's why I have to use an
asterisk.
> >
> >> If you want to be an MVP, or be thought of as one, so badly, then I
would
> >> recommend your best approach would be to first behave more
professionally.
> >> Now, there is no hard and fast set of absolute rules one could follow
to
> >> be"professional", but if there were, using foul language and showing
> >> disrespect in public discussions would likely be near the top of the
list.
> Hi Al,
>
> David isn't a MVP now but he was some years ago, so I think he
> knows what it is about...
Thanks for clearing that little detail up for me. I will just assume, then,
that he knows what it is about, even in the face of his apparently not
seeming to.
/Al
Tim Robinson
>> Timo, your thread and all our replies have been deleted.
>
> So you and the below MS MVP "Mullah" Kelly are now canceling post
> to the *public* usenet news groups? Typical MS "Taliban" behavior
> to crush any criticism of MS or their products in public forums.
> Got to feed the readers a steady diet of censored information.
> Can't let them be confused by the facts! ;-)
Please omit comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc from your replies. Thank you.
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David Candy
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"Al Dunbar" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WVBMc.108887$ek5.45915@pd7tw2no...
Kelly
"Tim Robinson" <tim.at.gaat.f...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2mg9f5F...@uni-berlin.de...
Si Ballenger
wrote:
>And: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Sorry Kelly, but microsoft.public.windowsxp.general is where this
really needs to go. Posting FAQs and sources of information that
are relevant to the news group is not spam. You MPVs seem to
think that you own the *public*
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general news group and can make
decisions on what is spam and what is not. You have the right to
control what is on the news server (TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl) that MS
runs for their "Microsoft Community" web page access to usenet,
and nothing else. If MS wants to own a discussion forum and
control the postings , then they can make private chat rooms like
AOL. MS allowing you to send control cancel messages out to the
public usenet system from the MS news server is a MS libility
issue I'm going to take up with MS. MS censuring of public forums
is probably something MS really does not want to get involved
with. After looking at previous posting acrchived in Google, your
main argument seems to be that "Timo never helps, only post".
This is not a valid definitation for usenet spam. I've been
posting to usenet since 1994 and posting FAQs and relivant
information to a news group once a month (maybe once every two
weeks for high volune groups) has always been appropriate and
welcomed. I think you have let your friend David (who use to be
an MPV? Yikes!) lead you down the wrong path on this issue. I
think you really should reconsider your current position and not
interfer with Timo's postings to the public usenet system. You
don't have to read them. I'm going to watch Timo's future
postings to the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general news group and
do my best to detect any inteference with his postings. MS has
deep $$$ pockets and I think you may be just the ticket to get
there. You give a lot of support in the news groups, don't let
your personal agenda ruin it for you. Heads up.
David Candy
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"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:4103cde8....@news.comporium.net...
Todd Vargo
news:WVBMc.108887$ek5.45915@pd7tw2no...
> >>those who volunteer their time, which you don't. We've
> >>been through this before you piece of dog SH1T.
>
> I have no "mate" on usenet - you seem to have succumbed to the notion that
> all of those that disagree with you are all in agreement on everything
else.
>
> Not sure how I am interfering with those who volunteer their time. In your
> case, for example, you could just as easily ignore my posts if this silly
> argument is taking up too much of your time.
>
> As to the name-calling, I hope you are enjoying it, as it is not doing
> anything for or to me. As to wasting your time, my comments on the
> "professionalism" of swearing and not showing others respect was intended
> strictly as a suggestion I think you would benefit from. Apparently they
> fell on the deaf ears of someone who has difficulty with the idea of being
> objective. My fault for assuming you capable of rational discussion.
> > > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:01:08 +1000, "David Candy"
> > > > <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Look f*ckhead, just don't spam here. It's simple.
Apparently, David Candy's "MVP" stands for Most Vulgar Person. Obviously,
this fool has not a clue, lacks any dignity or professionalism, and
continues to post abusive and derogatory comments towards others.
Clearly, this is a candidate Microsoft would apply a cancelbot to, not
helpful individuals like Timo Salmi. It has been suggested to Timo to not
crosspost his material specifically to avoid this type thread, however, the
material is on topic and he is not selling anything, therefore he is not
spamming at all. David Candy should actually read the Use of Services he
quotes.
fu>Alt.Flame
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Todd Vargo
"Hilary Karp" <hilar...@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uXgYVZc...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hilary Karp,
What is the name of your "community" and how exactly are you reading and
posting to it? Also, since you say Timo volunteers nothing, have you
actually read the so-called self serving material? What exactly is Timo
promoting anyway?
David Candy
pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative or
unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise).
Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam
includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many
different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you
post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online
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"Todd Vargo" <todd_...@nccw.net> wrote in message news:2mie1kF...@uni-berlin.de...
Mr John Stockdyk
What was the need of all that garbage you have posted here? Haven't you got anything better to do?
Kelly may be well known here but it/this does not give her the right to abuse anybody posting here. Microsoft moderators can delete anything they want because they are running the biggest monopoly on this planet. The only concern you should all have is that your GOD BILL GATES is no longer the richest man; this honour has gone to the owner of Ikea a company based in Sweden. This only proves that activation has succeeded in deterring honest people from buying MS software.
If the decline in sales of MS products continues, we may see the back of MVPs. What will these idiots do if nobody wants their service?
John Stockdyk
David Candy wrote:
> 1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names. It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the 'charter' that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email addresses.
> 2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post older than x days.
> 3. We can post however we want.
> 4. We can sig however we want.
>
> However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are posting your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially owned and are for support of the owner's software.
>
> I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of Conduct.. You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the material anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors.
>
> If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people would tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here.
>
> And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who are overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a virtue.
>
> From http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm
> USE OF SERVICES
> The Services may contain e-mail services, bulletin board services, chat areas, news groups, forums, communities, personal web pages, calendars, photo albums, file cabinets and/or other message or communication facilities designed to enable you to communicate with others (each a "Communication Service" and collectively "Communication Services"). You agree to use the Communication Services only to post, send and receive messages and material that are proper and, when applicable, related to the particular Communication Service. By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using the Communication Services, you will not:
>
> • Use the Communication Services in connection with surveys, contests, pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative or unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise).
>
> • Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.
>
> • Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information.
>
> • Upload, or otherwise make available, files that contain images, photographs, software or other material protected by intellectual property laws, including, by way of example, and not as limitation, copyright or trademark laws (or by rights of privacy or publicity) unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consent to do the same.
>
> • Use any material or information, including images or photographs, which are made available through the Services in any manner that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other proprietary right of any party.
>
> • Upload files that contain viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, cancelbots, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programs that may damage the operation of another's computer or property of another.
>
> • Advertise or offer to sell or buy any goods or services for any business purpose, unless such Communication Services specifically allows such messages.
>
> • Download any file posted by another user of a Communication Service that you know, or reasonably should know, cannot be legally reproduced, displayed, performed, and/or distributed in such manner.
>
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>
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>
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>
> • Harvest or otherwise collect information about others, including e-mail addresses.
>
> • Violate any applicable laws or regulations.
>
> • Create a false identity for the purpose of misleading others.
>
> • Use, download or otherwise copy, or provide (whether or not for a fee) to a person or entity any directory of users of the Services or other user or usage information or any portion thereof.
>
>
> Microsoft has no obligation to monitor the Communication Services. However, Microsoft reserves the right to review materials posted to the Communication Services and to remove any materials in its sole discretion. Microsoft reserves the right to terminate your access to any or all of the Communication Services at any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever.
>
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> 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
>
> "Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrinp$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
> > Kelly <ke...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > Tim,
> >
> > I won't counter the misspelling.
> >
> > > As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's
> > > and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
> >
> > > Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
> >
> > Please show that you should be taken seriously by first doing some
> > proper cleaning of your own house:
> >
> > 1) Anonymity
> > 2) Overquoting
> > 3) Top posting
> > 4) Excessive signaturing
> >
> > With all those netiquette flaws there is no indication whether you
> > are on a bona fide mission or just part of the inevitable Usenet
> > news nuisance background noise. If good evidence of the former, then
> > I'll consider listening.
> >
> > The same goes likewise, or even more for your partner in arms David
> > Candy, exept that 1 is replaced by his (still worse) Nazi
> > insinuations and his uncouth language such as shown by
> > http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c6rm8k$k...@poiju.uwasa.fi
> >
> > All the best, Timo
> >
> > --
> > Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5
> > Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
> > mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
> > Timo's FAQ materials at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html
> >
> >
David Candy
We just want these Usenet gooses to stop spamming here. Quite simple. Those Comp and Alt people need to take responsibility for their creatures and control them.
The next escalation of course is to add their groups to every reply I make. The Acorn groups soon changed their tune when I did that.
LEAVE US ALONE, we get enough spam from here in our inboxes (for me up to 300 incl viruses on a bad day).
--
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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Mr John Stockdyk" <John.S...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:73CC7040...@mvps.org...
David,
What was the need of all that garbage you have posted here? Haven't you got anything better to do?
Kelly may be well known here but it/this does not give her the right to abuse anybody posting here. Microsoft moderators can delete anything they want because they are running the biggest monopoly on this planet. The only concern you should all have is that your GOD BILL GATES is no longer the richest man; this honour has gone to the owner of Ikea a company based in Sweden. This only proves that activation has succeeded in deterring honest people from buying MS software.
If the decline in sales of MS products continues, we may see the back of MVPs. What will these idiots do if nobody wants their service?
John Stockdyk
David Candy wrote:
> 1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names. It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the 'charter' that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email addresses.
> 2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post older than x days.
> 3. We can post however we want.
> 4. We can sig however we want.
>
> However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are posting your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially owned and are for support of the owner's software.
>
> I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of Conduct.. You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the material anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors.
>
> If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people would tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here.
>
> And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who are overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a virtue.
>
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> My main concern with Timo's "Frequently Asked Questions about CMD.EXE
> Command Line Scripts" is that they are posted with a certain air of
> authority, and seemingly represent the official charter of the groups he
> posts to. I have no problem with the content, and consider him to be a
Al, actually not quite. Originally there was also "charterist"
information both in
243153 Dec 27 2003 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tsbat.zip
tsbat.zip Useful MS-DOS batch files and tricks, T.Salmi
and
97091 Jun 28 2004 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tscmd.zip
tscmd.zip Useful NT/2000/XP script tricks and tips, T.Salmi
but I have removed most, if not all of it. Those two are, and are
meant to be batch and script FAQs, not newsgroup directions. Of
cause I have also "charterist" information and netiquette
information FAQ, but they are elsewhere.
Timo Salmi
> In article <uk7WF#ocEHA...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, da...@mvps.org
> Then use server side filters or a decent ISP that offers Brightmail
> filtering and save yourself a lot of grief.
Besides the obvious differences of opinion and preferences (nothing
strange there) there are some striking features to this discussion:
1. The lack of realization by some of the MVPs that all this
(not just this discussion but everything on the MS "rooms")
propagates to the Usenet news. For your own sake (irrespective
of the current issue) take a good moment to study how the system
is works technically. It is obvious that part of the discussants
are blissfully in the dark in this respect, and therefore make
unrealistic assumptions (whether or not you happen to agree or
disagree with what e.g. I do).
2. The blatantly uncivilized language used at least by of one of
the parties.
3. Somewhat spammish usages by those very individuals claiming my
MS cmd.exe script FAQ pointer of being spam [sic].
Timo Salmi
> And: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Dear Kelly,
Quite irrespective whether we agree or disagree on the matter at
hand, it seems that there is a crucial misconception involved. Don't
let the look and feel of the MS interface or the environment fool you.
These two
microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
are Usenet newsgroups just like any other newsgroups! Their origin
and your potential look-and-feel of your interface does not change
the fact that they are carried on Internet by an innumrable number
of Usenet newsservers. You are not on a propietary system of your
own, but for better or worse you are "just" a part of the Usenet
news. There is no detached "bubble" of your own in this or anything
that happens in the said newsgroups.
I am not asking you to change your mind, but when you argue against
me, but your arguments would be more credible if you first get the
facts about the nature of the newsgroups right.
All the best, Timo
--
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Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Useful script files and tricks ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tscmd.zip
Timo Salmi
> Thanks, David and Hilary. Game playing is showing his true color, how sad.
> What a mature approach and mindset, Timo!
Dear Kelly,
It is you who are not playing fair game by trying to turn also this
backwards. It is you who made the cancel threat hints. I respoded by
telling that I am up to such antics, *IF* it would come to that. I
hope that's not where you are headed.
Herbert Kleebauer
>
> Sorry Kelly, but microsoft.public.windowsxp.general is where this
> really needs to go.
No. The usenet has the "Big Seven" hierarchies (comp.*, misc.*,
news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*) with widely accepted
rules for group creation and posting. Then there is the
alt.* hierarchy with no rules at all (besides common sense).
Further there are national hierarchies (de.*, fr.*, nl.* ...)
with their own rules (which mostly are similar to the
rules of the "Big Seven". And there are also local groups
which are not propagated through the usenet and which rules
are only given by the creator of these groups. Some of this
"local" groups are from great public interest, so they are
allowed to propagate through the usenet so they can be read from
any news server (reduce traffic). Some examples are microsoft.*,
borland.*, corel.*, ibm.* . But the rules are still given
by the creators of these groups, they decide what is on
topic and what has to be canceled and nobody else. Nobody
besides Microsoft is allowed to create a new group in
the microsoft.* hierarchy. If you do so, then this would be the
same as selling your self written editor as "Microsoft Editor".
> Posting FAQs and sources of information that
> are relevant to the news group is not spam.
You are right, FAQs like the "comp.os.msdos.programmer FAQ"
are on topic in the appropriate groups. But here we are
not discussing about the posting of a FAQ but posting of
a link to an external file. If he would post the content
of this file, then (dependent of the quality of the content)
it maybe could be accepted as a sort of FAQ. But if he
would post the contend instead of the link, then he wouldn't
get paid for it. There are many public accessible WWW sites
with information about batch programming (it's up to
everybody himself to compare the quality of these sites
with the posted link), but I have never seen such massive
sales promotion in the news groups of any of this sites.
The poster of this link isn't even a regular poster of the
microsoft.* groups, but he still continues to post this
link. Show me only one definition of "SPAM" which doesn't
qualify this postings as spam.
> main argument seems to be that "Timo never helps, only post".
> This is not a valid definitation for usenet spam.
No, it is spam because it is spam. But if somebody helps
other on a regular basis, then spam may be accepted to
certain degree. How many posting did you see in alt.msdos.batch.*
in which he really gave a concrete answer? He nearly always
just posts a link to his file to be sure to get the proper
fee. No, he is not interested in money, he is only
interested in a high hit rate for his ftp server. Did you
ever see somebody else who posted the access statistic of
his ftp server to a news group?
> I'm going to watch Timo's future
> postings to the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general news group and
> do my best to detect any inteference with his postings. MS has
> deep $$$ pockets and I think you may be just the ticket to get
> there.
Please post the result of such a lawsuit (if you still
have enough money to pay for the internet access).
Timo Salmi
> in which he really gave a concrete answer? He nearly always
> just posts a link to his file to be sure to get the proper
> fee. No, he is not interested in money, he is only
> interested in a high hit rate for his ftp server. Did you
> ever see somebody else who posted the access statistic of
> his ftp server to a news group?
Ok, then. Although, of old, I am well aware that all Dr. Kleebauer's
postings somehow tangenting any of my activities are based on a
deep-rootted personal antagonism, I have no motive to continue to
offer the Usenet news information services which are so clearly
unwelcome. I just hope that for once you are satisfied.
Marco Maier
Hi, you are confusing two different concepts: off-topic and spam,
they are not the same thing.
Kelly
If we could agree to disagree, as we obviously do, would be great in a
perfect world. Here in XP General, that would even be even better.
All I am trying to say is that 'here' (excluding "your" view as it being a
usenet group) it is considered spam. That said, if you would take the time
to comb this group, you will see nothing of the nature of what you post
here.
Honestly, our keeping these types of threads going, is even worse than the
spam itself. It needs to stop, on both our parts. All I am asking is that
you exclude XP General from your bi-monthly posts.
As I know we differ in opinions of usenet, I really don't think that it is
too much to ask. Truce and move on?
--
All the Best,
Kelly
"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message
news:ce2853$q...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
Herbert Kleebauer
> Ok, then. Although, of old, I am well aware that all Dr. Kleebauer's
> postings somehow tangenting any of my activities are based on a
> deep-rootted personal antagonism,
I don't even know you personally, how should I have a "personal
antagonism". What I really dislike is the way you offer "help".
And this is independent of the person but only related to the
form of the postings.
> I have no motive to continue to
> offer the Usenet news information services which are so clearly
> unwelcome.
You completely misunderstood it. I really would like to get some
information from you but nearly never get any. If somebody asks
for help and you answer: "read topic 12, 22 and 31 in ftp://....",
then this has no information at all. I would like to compare
your solution with other posted solutions or the way I had
done it, but it's much to time-consuming, so I have to ignore it
(I often read news off-line, so I would have to go online,
download a zip file, unzip it and search for the specified
topic and then clean up my disk afterwards). It really wouldn't
be much more work for you if you had extracted the relevant
topics (you can do it with a simple batch program) from your file
and posted them directly. And you can always include into your sig:
"This information was extracted from ftp://...". This way anybody
interested not only in this one question can download your
complete file.
Al
Since these are public servers, the mention of USENET on your part, and whether FAQs can be posted there, has nothing to do with these servers with their own sets of rules that wind up on USENET. Every NG provider can make rules for their respective groups residing on their servers, and those groups of which have rules that get broken, cannot stop propagation of the messages to USENET (I take it you know USENET isn't an single entity as such right?). MS can remove the messages from their servers, as is their right, but once it propgates, they are available to USENET anyway.
Best to just live by the rules eh?
"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:410520e4....@news.comporium.net...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 05:26:58 +1000, "David Candy"
> <da...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> Use the Communication Services in connection with surveys, contests,=20
>>pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative =
>>or=20
>>unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise).
>
> FAQs aren't spam on usenet. The below link discusses usenet spam.
> The "microsoft community rules of useage" have not been violated
> (see link down below).
>
> http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html
>
>> Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam=20
>>includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to =
>>many=20
>>different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you =
>>
>>post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of =
>>online=20
>>etiquette.
>
> The "Microsoft Community Chats" is just a web interface to the
> public usenet system. MS has totally dooped their MPVs and legons
> of clueless sock puppets on this fact. Kelly, remember making the
> below post? When are you and your buddy David going to get a
> clue and understand that you are reading/posting the *public*
> usenet system and not a private MS chat room? Check the below
> page to see just what your "chat room" is. Also check the "rules
> of conduct" link below. The only rule being broken is your buddy
> David's use of inappropriate language. So Kelly, when are you
> going to make your buddy David "...be a goner soon"? You go girl!
> ;-)
>
> http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
>
> =====================================
>
>
> From: "Kelly" <ke...@mvps.org>
> References: <ts200407220...@majakka.uwasa.fi>
> <#T#HD08bE...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> Subject: Re: SPAM Alert
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:30:33 -0500
> Lines: 21
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096
> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> Message-ID: <e#Xal68bE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>
> Newsgroups:
> alt.msdos.batch.nt,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.206.186.167
> Path:
> news.infoave.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
> Xref: news.infoave.net alt.msdos.batch.nt:20129
> comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:13326
> comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:7638
> microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin:21165
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:557486
>
> He slipped through, this time, David. But will be a goner soon.
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>
> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>
>
> "David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23T%23HD08b...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>
Timo Salmi
> Timo,
Dear Kelly,
> If we could agree to disagree, as we obviously do, would be great in a
> perfect world. Here in XP General, that would even be even better.
Yes, gladly, now that you have started to reason instead of sailing
in the offensive language wake of David Candy.
> All I am trying to say is that 'here' (excluding "your" view as it being a
> usenet group) it is considered spam. That said, if you would take the time
> to comb this group, you will see nothing of the nature of what you post
> here.
Finally. That is the kind of request and argument that makes sense.
If (and I have no cause of not taking your word for it) CMD.EXE
scripts do not come up in your XP general, then there indeed is no
cause whatsoever to crosspost the FAQ pointer at least in there.
Would you have taken up this line at the beginning instead of urging
and complimenting the offensive David Candy, much aggravation
probably would have been saved. Quite frankly, he did you a big
disservice, since it took at least me some time to see that you are
quite distinct from him.
> Honestly, our keeping these types of threads going, is even worse than the
> spam itself. It needs to stop, on both our parts.
Not necessasily only bad, since there obviously has also been
misconceptions and missing information involved.
> All I am asking is that
> you exclude XP General from your bi-monthly posts.
Now you are giving good, rational reasons. That I am most pleased to
listen to and seriously to consider.
> As I know we differ in opinions of usenet, I really don't think that it is
> too much to ask.
Please do not take this the wrong way. I may well be mistaken, but I
am still not fully convinced that you have fully grasped how the
newsfeeds work. (Tip: See what Si and Al just wrote). Opinions come
into play when one decides what to post, and what is considered
desirable and what not. I.e. who's rules to follow. Then, and only
then. The technical propagation arrangements of the news postings
through the net are physical (electronic) facts. They are not
subject to your or my personal opinions.
> Truce and move on?
Sure. Now that you have so modified your demeanor in the matter,
certainly. That's essentially what I wished for, not that you would
change your stand.
All the best, Timo
--
Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Herbert Kleebauer
> Herbert, below is the link to the "rules of conduct" for the
> "microsoft Communities" that seem to be in dispute here. Read
> those rules and find a violation.
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
providing peer-to-peer assistance related to using Microsoft products and
^^^^^^^^^^^^
services. We ask that you refrain from posting unsolicited advertisements
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
newsgroup or chat.
Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam includes
^^^^^^^^^^^^
sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many different
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you post. Spamming
and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online etiquette.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Now about posting those binary
> codes to newsgroups... ;-)
Shall we start a discussion about the definition of a binary
post?
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Kelly <ke...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> All I am trying to say is that 'here' (excluding "your" view
>> as it being a usenet group) it is considered spam. That said,
>> if you would take the time to comb this group, you will see
>> nothing of the nature of what you post here.
>
> Finally. That is the kind of request and argument that makes sense.
> If (and I have no cause of not taking your word for it) CMD.EXE
> scripts do not come up in your XP general, then there indeed is no
> cause whatsoever to crosspost the FAQ pointer at least in there.
Hi
I agree with Kelly here, posts about CMD.EXE scripts are as good as
non-existent in the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general group, so I
don't see any reason to crosspost the FAQ pointer to it.
--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> "Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)" wrote:
>>
>>I agree with Kelly here, posts about CMD.EXE scripts are as good as
>>non-existent in the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general group, so I
>>don't see any reason to crosspost the FAQ pointer to it.
>
>
> I think you are off track here. The "general" classification
> allows for most every type of XP question/issue. If some one
> wants info about cmd.exe (which was included in my copy of XP
> pro), atleast they can find a link to the info they might need in
> the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general news group. Go to the
> Microsoft community links below and see if you can find anything
> coherent concerning cmd.exe. If you do a search in the newsgroup
> section, you will find questions about cmd.exe that are being
> posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general. After looking at
> all the hundreds (thousands?) of usenet news groups MS dumped
> into the usenet system, I don't see any specifically relating to
> cmd.exe. This includes the nt/xp ones. What is the appropriate
> group for discussion of cmd.exe issues? If
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general isn't appropriate, then what
> group is? Remember that not all people using the *public* usenet
> groups use the "microsoft Community" web interface.
Hi
microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin is a good group for cmd.exe
questions (also for Windows XP users, because the cmd difference
between Win2k and WinXP is minimal).
The few times I have come over cmd.exe/batch questions in the
WindowsXP newsgroups, I have helped the OP if I can and then pointed
them to microsoft.public.win2000.cmdprompt.admin for future questions:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=win2000%20cmdprompt%20torgeir&as_ugroup=*windowsxp
David Candy
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:ce2eqd$h...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
David Candy
These are the two clauses
Use the Communication Services in connection with surveys, contests, pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative or unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise).
Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online etiquette.
I have no idea what scrolling is. But I know spam.
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:4105432c....@news.comporium.net...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:19:12 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer
> <kl...@unibwm.de> wrote:
>
> >Si Ballenger wrote:
> >
> >> Herbert, below is the link to the "rules of conduct" for the
> >> "microsoft Communities" that seem to be in dispute here. Read
> >> those rules and find a violation.
> >
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> >
> >Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
> >providing peer-to-peer assistance related to using Microsoft products and
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >services. We ask that you refrain from posting unsolicited advertisements
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >newsgroup or chat.
>
> My copy of PX pro came with CMD.EXE installed. Yours didn't?
> Seems post concerning CMD.EXE are relevant to windosw XP and
> windows XP news groups. As for advertising, every post Kelly
> makes has a sig file advertising her website. How is this
> appropriate and how is this any different than what is contained
> in Timo's post?
>
> >Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam includes
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many different
> > ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you post. Spamming
> >and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online etiquette.
>
> You think that microsoft.public.windowsxp.general is a MS owned
> and controlled "chat room"? Wow!
>
> >> Now about posting those binary
> >> codes to newsgroups... ;-)
> >
> >Shall we start a discussion about the definition of a binary
> >post?
>
> At least you can post them to the "Microsoft Community Chats
> services" because they aren't prohibited by the "rules of
> conduct". ;-)
>
> ps. I find the binarys very useful for some things I do.
Mike Brown
>Thank you Timo. Feel free to participate here in other ways.
Now that THAT's over with, can we end this debate, or at least keep the
subject header consistent so I can keep it killfiled?
Todd Vargo
> While you spam we'll warn. Eventually you usenet people will get
> tired of the traffic. LEAVE US ALONE.
You have already received more attention than you are worth. You are using
Outlook Express 6 for crying out loud. Select a post from anyone you don't
want to read any more, go to the "Message" menu and select "Block Sender".
It's just that easy!
--
Todd Vargo (remove hyphen to reply by email)
Bruce Chambers
Spam report id 1138436790 sent to: ab...@mci.com
Spam report id 1138436792 sent to: spa...@imaphost.com
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:410520e4....@news.comporium.net...
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message
news:%23LCkFE0...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Exactly. People often ask questions in a less than perfectly appropriate
newsgroup. You can either tell them to go away, or you can politely point
them to where they might get more detailed assistance and expertise.
/Al
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
> >pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative =
> >or=20
> >unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise).
>
> The "microsoft community rules of useage" have not been violated
> (see link down below).
>
> http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html
>
I looked up "Microsoft Community Chats" in google and found a web-based
interface to what would appear to be what some of us access as usenet news
groups. The above rule (do not user MS comm. chats services to spam others),
would seem to apply primarily to the browser interface that MS has
developed. Granted, they have also had a lot to do with the development and
support of the Microsoft.public.* newsgroups, but I do not think it
reasonable for them to expect that those of us using a newsreader to access
the newsgroups to even know about the rules they propagate for the web-based
interface unless they also publish it in a manner as to make this evident to
newsgroup reader users.
/Al
Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]
Stockdyk" and NOT from the more familiar "Dr. John Stockton". In other
words, that was a troll.
As to what is spam and what is not, I have posted on the microsoft.public.*
usenet newsgroups for a few years, and, other than the occasional
misunderstanding, nobody I am aware of has ever had a serious problem with
what I have posted. Since I therefore conclude I am not violating
Microsoft's rules for usenet posts to these resources, I can only conclude
that your objections are the unfortunate result of Microsoft providing two
ways to access the newsfeeds/chats, and thinking they can apply different
rules.
If you really think that my posts are spam, then please advise someone at
Microsoft who can put me straight.
/Al
"David Candy" <da...@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uk7WF%23ocEH...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
I also fight with MS, especially their PSS/XP program Managers. So they are
not my god (there is no god in case you are particularly stupid).
We just want these Usenet gooses to stop spamming here. Quite simple. Those
Comp and Alt people need to take responsibility for their creatures and
control them.
The next escalation of course is to add their groups to every reply I make.
The Acorn groups soon changed their tune when I did that.
LEAVE US ALONE, we get enough spam from here in our inboxes (for me up to
300 incl viruses on a bad day).
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Mr John Stockdyk" <John.S...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:73CC7040...@mvps.org...
David,
What was the need of all that garbage you have posted here? Haven't you got
anything better to do?
Kelly may be well known here but it/this does not give her the right to
abuse anybody posting here. Microsoft moderators can delete anything they
want because they are running the biggest monopoly on this planet. The only
concern you should all have is that your GOD BILL GATES is no longer the
richest man; this honour has gone to the owner of Ikea a company based in
Sweden. This only proves that activation has succeeded in deterring honest
people from buying MS software.
If the decline in sales of MS products continues, we may see the back of
MVPs. What will these idiots do if nobody wants their service?
John Stockdyk
David Candy wrote:
> 1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names.
It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the 'charter'
that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email addresses.
> 2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group
gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post
older than x days.
> 3. We can post however we want.
> 4. We can sig however we want.
>
> However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are posting
your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially owned and are
for support of the owner's software.
>
> I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this
groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of Conduct..
You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the material
anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors.
>
> If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people would
tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here.
>
> And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who are
overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a virtue.
>
> From http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm
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> 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
>
> "Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message
news:cdrinp$n...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
> > Kelly <ke...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > Tim,
> >
> > I won't counter the misspelling.
> >
> > > As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by
MVP's
> > > and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly.
> >
> > > Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate
> >
> > Please show that you should be taken seriously by first doing some
> > proper cleaning of your own house:
> >
> > 1) Anonymity
> > 2) Overquoting
> > 3) Top posting
> > 4) Excessive signaturing
> >
> > With all those netiquette flaws there is no indication whether you
> > are on a bona fide mission or just part of the inevitable Usenet
> > news nuisance background noise. If good evidence of the former, then
> > I'll consider listening.
> >
> > The same goes likewise, or even more for your partner in arms David
> > Candy, exept that 1 is replaced by his (still worse) Nazi
> > insinuations and his uncouth language such as shown by
> > http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c6rm8k$k...@poiju.uwasa.fi
> >
> > All the best, Timo
> >
> > --
> > Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5
> > Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
> > mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Todd Vargo
> Use the Communication Services in connection with surveys, contests,
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> includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions
> to many different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of
> anything you post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious
> violations of online etiquette.
David,
It's a pity you can not comprehend what you are posting. Oh well, since your
reply to Timo's was an unsolicited submission and was sent to many different
users, you are therefore a spammer. STOP SPAMMING US!
(sorry could not resist)
fu>alt.flame
David Candy
The XP group that most have need of cmd scripts is the photo group, as they want to batch rename photos, often with dates embedded in the name. Unfortunately any command scripting is beyond them.
Do you have any idea how many FAQs would be posted here. Probably hundreds a week. All from purported 'helpers', most from spammers, scammers, and the over eager. So many of the current posters have trouble finding their message to find their replies. More traffic is not needed, especially as it will be utter garbage to most posters here.
Subscribe and see.
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
ISPs NNTP servers generally don't carry as much traffic as the MS servers for some reason. Refresh the group every 15 minutes for a day. When the spam filters are off, groups like the admin become 75% spam.
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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Si Ballenger" <shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net> wrote in message news:4105c3de...@news.comporium.net...
> Now thats classic! Ban posting any written links or resources
> that a person could just read on their own and get the desired
> info. Now those seeking help *have* to bow before MS MPVs and
> begg their indulgence in getting information. Looks like MS has
> caught on to how to control the masses like the mullahs and
> clerics in the east. Don't let the people get information on
> their own. Ban any info that doesn't come directly from an MPV.
> Great way to 1). keep the flock clueless and in step with the MS
> "chat room" party line, and 2). keep MPVs in that all powerful
> position in the MS "chat rooms". Guess it just isn't all that
> easy to get those unruley usenet "street people" bowing to
> Redmond five times a day. Wonder why? ;-)
David Candy
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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ma5IC4...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
David Candy
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'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html
"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23LysCK4...@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...