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tribune

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Nov 24, 2009, 2:08:36 PM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 9:35 am, forn...@webtv.net (S D) wrote:
> Land of the Pharaohs , both in the building of the pyramids and inside
> the completed tomb

"Aguirre, the Wrath of God"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyx8mVp8p2o

Flasherly

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Nov 24, 2009, 3:31:33 PM11/24/09
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Any number of historical docudramas, those with the fortitude or luck
to hit upon outstanding lineaments featuring a combination dredged,
forgotten perspectives and lifestyles, extant issues can't seek out
and forthwith impugn. AWoG is excellent, but so is Polanski's Tess or
The Duelists;- respective to time and issues, moreso with AWoG,
because assays the travail to capture that extant romanticism
symbolized as appertaining to exploration at the boundaries of The
Flat Earth;- No less worthy for a scholar efforts to address if to
debunk Aguirre's intent to people a world of demigods from the seed of
his own seed, twice succeeded (sic, genetic insanity already practised
in the Court of Spain).

Norman Mailer's book, Ancient Evenings, is an excellent transposition
across time into the land of pharaohs. Written by a grain-counting
scribbler of an accountant, in a time of one-eyed literate accorded
acceded enlightened medium to transcribe, an account of shifting
perspectives variously indulged by privilege and noblesse
deification;- a bit wordy for voluminous tomes, Mailer's detailed
accounting of evisceration being an obsessively detailed description
of the preparation for afterlife;- whereas the Pharaoh's rights of
indulgence, divested of Judeochristian Divine Intervention, are apt to
pursue a course of sensuality, Mailer wouldn't largely expound as
indulge, by means any saner uncle of Caligula might better have
thought to instruct.

Differences, though, that should be apparently as obvious as your cite
of AWoG: One big lot to dole out in the Stuffing Dept. over a time
permitted rot in libraries dedicated to myth.

treadleson

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:27:12 PM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 3:31 pm, Flasherly <Flashe...@live.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2:08 pm, tribune <callist...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 24, 9:35 am, forn...@webtv.net (S D) wrote:
>
> > > Land of the Pharaohs , both in the building of the pyramids and inside
> > > the completed tomb
>
> > "Aguirre, the Wrath of God"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyx8mVp8p2o
>
> Any number of historical docudramas, those with the fortitude or luck
> to hit upon outstanding lineaments featuring a combination dredged,
> forgotten perspectives and lifestyles, extant issues can't seek out
> and forthwith impugn. AWoG is excellent, but so is Polanski's Tess or
> The Duelists;- respective to time and issues, moreso with AWoG,
> because assays the travail to capture that extant romanticism
> symbolized as appertaining to exploration at the boundaries of The
> Flat Earth;- No less worthy for a scholar efforts to address if to
> debunk Aguirre's intent to people a world of demigods from the seed of
> his own seed, twice succeeded (sic, genetic insanity already practised
> in the Court of Spain).
>
> Norman Mailer's book, Ancient Evenings, is an excellent transposition
> across time into the land of pharaohs.  Written by a grain-counting
> scribbler of an accountant, in a time of one-eyed literate accorded
> acceded enlightened medium to transcribe, an account of shifting
> perspectives variously indulged by privilege and noblesse
> deification;- a bit wordy for voluminous tomes,

....


> Mailer's detailed
> accounting of evisceration being an obsessively detailed description
> of the preparation for afterlife;-

I didn't read AncEve, but I was recently reading about Herodotus in
Eygpt and there was quite a bit about evisceration which mainly
consisted of filling the body with a specially formulated solution
that turned everything within to jelly and then basically popping the
cork and letting everything out. And it turns out that the treatments
ranged from the 5-star Deluxe plan to the no frills same day pick up
service. I'm yet to see it on the screen, though. But thinking of
those Lena Wertmuller scenes inside the meat-packing plants in Love
and Anarchy, I don't know why.

Flasherly

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:08:47 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 24, 10:27 pm, treadleson <treadl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't read AncEve, but I was recently reading about Herodotus in
> Eygpt and there was quite a bit about evisceration which mainly
> consisted of filling the body with a specially formulated solution
> that turned everything within to jelly and then basically popping the
> cork and letting everything out. And it turns out that the treatments
> ranged from the 5-star Deluxe plan to the no frills same day pick up
> service. I'm yet to see it on the screen, though. But thinking of
> those Lena Wertmuller scenes inside the meat-packing plants in Love
> and Anarchy, I don't know why.

Count that for Mailer's book at 709pp -- first seems he'd have to
probably start with cats or minor mummies: those ancient Egyptians
really did seem to enjoy wrapping up dead domesticated cats -- but,
I'd swear a quarter of the book dwells on the mummification process.
All very neat, tidy, and exacting -- focally, that would be kings and
Pharaohs, no slopsink or bathtubs jobs here -- also seems there's
symbolization accorded ancient conceptions surrounding the Valley of
the Dead, a meaning then to conjure and walk among the spirits, for
differences between a minor and major preparation, in the manor of
thoughts and constructs both by Gods and Pharaohs deification
concerned.

All told, though, it's all about Mailer and wresting a living out of
it. Looking at the NYT -- "It is, speaking bluntly, a disaster..."
couldn't be farther from an impression Mailer actually does makes.
Mailer's use of a "scribe" - what today might better connote an
accountant is fascinating. A caricature of man whom he invests with
simple, disciplined, and utterly consumed qualities, dedicated and
molded by the rigors of duty for nothing less capably to impart -- as
the closest thing to a historian for the times;- Robert Graves
immediately would have recognized the role.

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