What movies do I need to see.....film student.
Meta4VDK
I should see that I ahvent already. Let me give you a run down of the
important ones I have already seen.
Pulp Fiction
Boogie Nights
Hard Eight
Clockwork Orange
2001:SO
Full Metal Jacket
Magnolia
Eyes Wide SHut
Thin Red Line
Pi
Goodfellas
Godfather 1 and 2
Dr. Strangelove
One Flew Over
Silence of the Lambs
Grand Hotel
Do the Right Thing
Resevoir Dogs
El Mariachi
Taxi Driver
..........................
Alright, so you get the idea......basically, good movies taht are
psuedo-mainstream are the type of movies i have seen. What older movies
(Academy Award winning, possibly) should I spend my time seeing........and
which foreign/underrated/underground movies would be worth my time? I hear you
guys talking about Decalogue, or Dialoque, or something like that.....what is
that? ANywway , your help is appreciated.
Bret Wiersbe
thouroughly. Same with "Casablanca". The ones you mentioned are good choices for
a film student. You should probably do some good research on "Pulp Fiction" as
well.
Mozeman
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> Alright, so you get the idea......basically, good movies taht are
> psuedo-mainstream are the type of movies i have seen. What older movies
> (Academy Award winning, possibly) should I spend my time seeing........and
> which foreign/underrated/underground movies would be worth my time?
All of them.
Nivek Edrof
> psuedo-mainstream are the type of movies i have seen. What older movies
> (Academy Award winning, possibly) should I spend my time seeing........and
hear you
> guys talking about Decalogue, or Dialoque, or something like that.....what
is
> that? ANywway , your help is appreciated.
Jean De Florette
Manon Des Sources
City of Lost Children (others prefer Delicatessen -see both & make up your
own mind)
3 Colours: Blue
3 Colours: Red
Solaris
Andrei Rublev (definitely anything/everything by AndreiTarkovsky)
Any Kubrick movie not on your list already (Barry Lyndon, The Shining, etc.)
Trees Lounge (a personal favourite)
....This of course is just the tip of the iceberg but they're all great
(IMO). ...Of course you are probably already aware (but its worth
reiterating) that the only way to watch a "foreign language" movie is with
its ORIGINAL soundtrack -*NOT* any dubbed version that may be available.
-Nivek
Ivar Knutsen
Raging Bull (one of Scorsese's best)
Last Temptation of Christ
Fargo
The Sweet Hereafter
Das Boot
L.A. Confidential
The Insider
Sex, Lies and Videotape (Soederbergh's first)
Vertigo
Gods and Monsters
Muppets in Space (just kidding...)
I think you should see all these films and basically anything Scorsese has
made. I also enjoyd The Limey from Soederbergh if only for his experimental
directional style, the camerawork in that film was excellent.
I'm sure I should have included some french artsy-fartsy movies but I
haven't seen that many......
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start at the botton rung! .
(for if you dont , any film you watch will be compared with the movies
listed below ,,, would you compare a "ac cobra" with a "ford pinto" ???)
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Mikko Pihkoluoma
You could start with watching non-american films! Or if you insist then
please watch some non-main stream, like David Lynch.
See more classics then more of the modern. You might want to start with
Citizen Kane, and then look for anything that Kurosawa, Fellini, Bergman,
Hitchcock (endles list...) made.
--
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
- Blade Runner
Mikko Pihkoluoma
alt.movies.kubrick and see the post "What directors would Kubrick-fans
like?" There is a good list of great directors.
DourisOh
on film history and begin there. I may have the names somewhat wrong here, but
I remember liking "History of Narrative Film" by Cook(?) and Understanding the
Movies (?) by Louis Gianetti. If you can't find those, I'll check the actual
titles at home and get back to you.
It seems to me that there is so much you need to see before hitting the
post-'70's stuff (and I guess your realizing that) just so that you get the
references and context if nothing else.
You may want to also pick up a good general film reference book like Ephraim
Katz's Film Encyclopedia. You'll find listings by film workers (as in
directors, producers, stars, writers, etc), countries, terms,...
The Edge
>>Boogie Nights
>>Hard Eight
>>Clockwork Orange
>>2001:SO
>>Full Metal Jacket
>>Magnolia
>>Eyes Wide SHut
>>Thin Red Line
>>Pi
>>Goodfellas
>>Godfather 1 and 2
>>Dr. Strangelove
>>One Flew Over
>>Silence of the Lambs
>>Grand Hotel
>>Do the Right Thing
>>Resevoir Dogs
>>El Mariachi
>>Taxi Driver
The Seven Samurai (or anything Kurosawa)
To Kill A Mocking Bird (I first saw this in Jr High, and loved it ever since)
Casablanca (I always figured this was going to be an over-rated film, until I
saw it.
The Shawshank Redemption (All time favorite movie)
Blair Witch Project (I know I will get flamed for this one, but as good a
movie, or as bad a movie as it is, it is one that every film student should see
IMO)
There are others, but I can't think of them right now. If I remember more, I'll
write back.
A Box Of Junk
Shawshank Redemption
Matrix
The Gold Rush (Charlie Chaplin)
Usual Suspects
Saving Private Ryan
Good Will Hunting
Citizen Kane
Jurassic Park
Star Wars (1977)
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~~the hamburgerlar
Meta4VDK
that I have seen Shawshank.....and yes, I do realize that my movie selection is
very post-70's, great films but mainstream choices. I am really looking for
films pre-70 to watch. Let me run some by you guys, and let me know.......
How Green Was My Valley
Gone With the Wind
Greatest Show on Earth
Marty
Midnight Cowboy
Those are just a few that I have been oh-so-close to renting, but I have let
them pass........and, foreign films I would greatly appreciate. And, surreal
films, real "artsy-fartsy" (for as much as I hate that term........) or
"pretentious" (.....I hate this one more) films. Thanks guys and gals for your
help.
Bret Wiersbe
DourisOh
HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY - and you need to see any Ford film you can get your
hands on anyway (Informer, Stagecoach, Grapes of Wrath, Quiet Man, Searchers,
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance in particular).
Here's my (obviously subjective) list for what it's worth.
Foreign(in alphabetical order by country):
Africa: the Ousmane Sembene films if you can find them (Black Girl, Mandabi,
Emitai)
China: probably not a whole lot of early stuff available, but the later "Fifth
Generation" films are a little easier to find (Yelloe Earth, Red Sorghum), more
recent the Hong Kong films of Jackie Chan, Wong Kar-Wai (Happy Together, Fallen
Angels), John Woo (any and all The Killer, Hard Boiled, the Taiwanese director
Hou Hsiao-Hsien(don't know if his stuff is on video (and they should be seen on
the big screen anyway), but he is often cited as being the most important
living director and my viewings of almost all of his films, including Flowers
of Shanghai, Goodbye South Goodbye and Puppet Master, are enough to convince me
that it's very close to being an apt title)
Denmark - Carl Theodor Dreyer: any and all (Passion of Joan of Arc, Vampyr, Day
of Wrath)
England - any of the Hitchcocks, the Michale Powell films (Life & Death of Col.
Blimp, Black Narcissus, Red Shoes, Tales of Hoffman, Peeping Tom in
particular), the Ealing comedies (Passport to Pimlico, Kind Hearts & Coronets,
Lavender Hill Mob, Ladykillers), the "kitchen sink"/"angry young man" films
(Look Back In Anger, Loneliness of the long Distance Runner, This Sporting
Life, Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, Billy Liar), more recent stuff like
the Stephen frears films (the Hit, My Beautiful Laundrette, Prick Up Your
Ears), <ike Leigh (Nuts In May, High Hopes, Life is Sweet, Naked, Secrets &
Lies, Topsy Turvy)
France - too much - the Lumiere and Melies films to start close to the
beginning, Abel Gance (Napoleon), Rene Clair (Under the Roofs of Paris, A nous
la Liberte), Jean Renoir ((Boudu Saved From Drowning, Grand Illusion, rules of
the Game), Jean Vigo (Zero For Conduct, L'Atlante), Marcel Carne (Children of
Paradise), Robert Bresson (Man Escaped, Pickpocket, Diary of a Country Priest),
Jean Cocteau (Beauty & the Beast, Orpheus, Blood of a Poet - these will double
for the "artsy fartsy" category), the French New Wave films of Godard (any and
all:Breathless, A Woman Is A WOman, Band Of Outsiders, My Life To Live,
Alphaville, Weekend), Truffaut (any and all 400 Blows, , Shoot The Piano
Player, jule&Jim), Claude Chabrol (, Rohmer, Alain Resnais (Last Year at
Marienbad, Hiroshima Mon Amour), Luis Bunuel (any and all: Un Chien Andalou,
Diary of a Chambermaid, Belle de Jour, also his Spanish & Mexican films) more
recent - Agnes Varda (Cleo from 9 to 5, Vagabond), Diane Kurys (Entre Nous)
Germany - the silents: Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Golem, Nosferatu, Die
Nibelugen, Metropolis, The Street, Joyless Street, Sound - Triumph of the Will,
M, Kameradschaft, the New German Cinema films of Rainer Werner Fassbinder
(Marriage of Maria Braun, Merchant of Four Seasons, Ali Fear Eats the Soul [see
Douglas Sirk first for context]), Werner Herzog (any and all" Aguirre the Wrath
of God, Fitzcaraldo, Mystery of Kaspar Hauser), Wim Wenders (Alice In the
Cities, Kings of the Road, American Friend)
India - Satyajit Ray (any and all: Pather Panchali, Aparajito, The World of
Apu), more recently Salaam Bombay
Iran - recent - Abbas Kiarostami (any and all Where is the Friend's Home, Taste
of Cherry), Mohsen Makhmalbaf (The Peddler)
Italy - the silents are a little harder to find, but some of the great
Neo-realist films are available: Open city, Bicycle Thief (see any DeSica:
Miracle In Milan, Umberto D, Garden of the Finzi-Continis), also Visconti
(Rocco and His Brothers) Antonioni (Red Desert, Blow Up, L'Avventura) Fellini
(any and all: La Strada, La Dolce Vita, 8 1/2), Bertolucci (the Conformist,
Before the Revolution), Pasolini (Gospel According to St. Matthew, Hawks and
Sparrows, Salo), Lina Wertmuller (Seven Beauties, Seduction of Mimi, Love &
Anarchy)
Japan - Kurosawa (any and all, Rashomon, Seven Samurai, Hidden Fortress),
Yasujiro Ozu (Floating Weeds, Tokyo Story), Kenji Mizoguchi (Ugetsu, Osaka
Elegy), more recently Shohei Imamura (Vengeance Is Mine, Pornographers, Dr,
Akagi)
Russia/Soviet Union - Eisenstein, Eisenstein, Eisenstein (Battleship Potemkin,
Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible), Dziga Vertov (Man With A movie Camera),
Pudovkin (Mother, Storm Over Asia), Dovzhenko (Arsenal), more recently Andrei
Tarkovsky (Nostalgia, Solaris, Andrei Rublev)
DourisOh
I forgot Spain to which I'd have to list any and all of the Bunuel's, including
those from Mexico. Also, Erice's Spirit of the Beehive (with Frankenstein as a
double bill) and Almodovar.
'course there's the great American pioneers like D.W. Griffith (Birth of a
Nation is as essential as Eisenstein), Buster Keaton (Kino released all his
best stuff), Douglas Fairbanks (ditto), Erich Von Stroheim (Greed, in some
version, is out).
Instead of being exhaustive, maybe I'll just list must sees in no particular
order:
Maya Deren (at least Meshes of the Afternoon - she's one of the key figures in
the American Experimental Cinema) Stan Brakhage and Kenneth Anger (ditto for
them), American Fritz Lang (Woman In THe WIndow, Scarlet Street, Big Heat) and
Billy Wilder(Sunset Blvd., Double Indemnity, Some Like It Hot), the great Orson
Welles(all), John Cassavetes (Faces, Woman Under The Influence, Killing of a
Chinese Bookie), Peckinpah(Wild Bunch, Straw Dogs), Howard Hawks (Ball of Fire,
Scarface, Big Sleep), Terrence Malick (Badlands, Days of Heaven), Kubrick (of
course), Coppola (Godfather I & II, Conversation, Apoc Now), Scorsese (of
course- you might also want to look for the multi volume Martin Scorsese: A
personal Journey, which is a video he did in which he talks about his fave
films & makers),
too much more, but it's a great journey
Dave Hitt
>IMHO , Dump everything you have learnt from these mainstream movies &
>start at the botton rung! .
Why, so he can turn out bottom rung movies?
That's like telling a piano student they should avoid competent
teachers who will teach them the classics, and instead find themselves
an instructor with broken fingers and spend a year with them
perfecting "Chopsticks."
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> very post-70's, great films but mainstream choices. I am really looking
>for
> films pre-70 to watch.
Well, here's a few random pre-70's must sees for any culturally literate
'merican human being (or something like that) - student or not (views reflect
the poster and not the sponsors):
The Graduate
High Noon
Shane
To Have and Have Not
Next Stop Greenwich Village
Dark at the Top of the Stairs
Come Back Little Sheeba
A Hard Day's Night
Don't Look Back (Pennebaker documentary)
Marty (but the TV movie w/ Rod Steiger will be more interesting to the
*student* than the Borgnine version)
Frankenstein (James Whale 1931 version)
King Kong (1933)
Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)
(Almost) anything at all by Ingmar Bergman
400 Blows (Truffaut)
Bye Bye Birdie (if only to see Ann-Margaret's opening number - you can turn it
off after that)
Manchurian Candidate
Duck Soup
Rear Window
So many more - so much fun. Thanks for the opportunity to toss out the memory
of some great films.
Comments, criticism, threats and vilifications welcome.
-Jimzovich
Moss Agate
meta...@aol.com (Meta4VDK) wrote:
> I am an 18 year old film student. I want to know your opinions on
what movies
> I should see that I ahvent already. Let me give you a run down of the
> important ones I have already seen.
>
> Boogie Nights
> Hard Eight
> Clockwork Orange
> 2001:SO
> Full Metal Jacket
> Magnolia
> Eyes Wide SHut
> Thin Red Line
> Pi
> Goodfellas
> Godfather 1 and 2
> Dr. Strangelove
> One Flew Over
> Silence of the Lambs
> Grand Hotel
> Do the Right Thing
> Resevoir Dogs
> El Mariachi
> Taxi Driver
>
> Alright, so you get the idea......basically, good movies taht are
> psuedo-mainstream are the type of movies i have seen. What older
movies
> (Academy Award winning, possibly) should I spend my time
seeing........and
> which foreign/underrated/underground movies would be worth my time?
I hear you
> guys talking about Decalogue, or Dialoque, or something like
that.....what is
> that? ANywway , your help is appreciated.
>
There are many that you should see, but off hand, I would
suggest "Little Big Man" with Dustin Hoffman, "Nashville" directed by
Robert Altman and his current "Cookie's Fortune" is quite good. "The
Seventh Seal" directed by Ingmar Bergman. "Wings of Desire" directed by
Wim Wenders.
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meta...@aol.com (Meta4VDK) wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for replying and giving me pointers. I failed to
mention
selection is
> very post-70's, great films but mainstream choices. I am really
looking for
know.......
>
> How Green Was My Valley
> Gone With the Wind
> Greatest Show on Earth
> Marty
> Midnight Cowboy
>
> Those are just a few that I have been oh-so-close to renting, but I
have let
> them pass........and, foreign films I would greatly appreciate. And,
surreal
> films, real "artsy-fartsy" (for as much as I hate that term........)
or
> "pretentious" (.....I hate this one more) films. Thanks guys and
gals for your
> help.
>
Definitely "Midnight Cowboy" and "Marty" - "Gone with the Wind" is
overrated, in my opinion. Oh, and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" is also a
must. "Witness for the Prosecution" - the one with Marlene Deitrich and
Tyrone Power; and to my way of thinking "The Young Lions" with Marlon
Brando is one of the best war movies made.
henchman
got the tools, so I'd suggest Griffith's BIRTH OF A NATION and
probably Stroheim's GREED (the latter was lost for years, but
a "reconstructed" version was recently put together for Turner
or AMC...)
Don't forget documentaries, either--there are many ways to tell
a story. See Leni Riefenstahl's work TRIUMPH OF THE WILL, or the
1936 Olympic films FESTIVAL OF THE NATIONS or FESTIVAL OF
BEAUTY. (Heinous propaganda, yes--but you still should see
them.) Also Robert Flaherty's NANOOK OF THE NORTH, or one of his
other films. Resnais' NIGHT AND FOG also accomplishes a lot in
31 minutes--some say it's treatment of the Holocaust makes
SCHINDLER seem cartoony.
There are countless good films to watch, and you don't always
have to settle for the most-commonly-known films among good
directors. Add these to your list...
- ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (Lewis Milestone-1930)
- THE SEARCHERS (John Ford)
- LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (David Lean) Epic and Spectacular
- DR. ZHIVAGO and/or BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (David Lean again)
- THE PUBLIC ENEMY (Wellman)
- THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS (Wells)
- THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (William Wyler) ok, BEN HUR too!
- PATHS OF GLORY (Kubrick - 1957)
- BARRY LYNDON (Kubrick again--and entertaining as well)
- COOL HAND LUKE (Rosenberg)
- THE WILD BUNCH (Peckinpah)
- THE DUELIST (Early Ripley Scott- interesting stuff)
- THE FRENCH CONNECTION (Friedkin)
- TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (Mulligan)
- DOUBLE INDEMNITY (Billy Wilder)
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>
> Thanks to everyone for replying and giving me pointers. I failed to mention
> that I have seen Shawshank.....and yes, I do realize that my movie selection is
> very post-70's, great films but mainstream choices. I am really looking for
> films pre-70 to watch. Let me run some by you guys, and let me know.......
>
> How Green Was My Valley
> Gone With the Wind
> Greatest Show on Earth
> Marty
> Midnight Cowboy
Probably worth your while to see some silents, as well:
DW Griffith
Chaplin
Keaton
"The Jazz Singer" (the original, if it's still available), etc.
The list is by NO means exhaustive, just some directors/title off the
top.
Bill
William Lynch
>
> Foreign film pick: La Strada
What a great choice! Probably worth your while to see some more from the
post WW II Italian realism, e.g., "Bicycle Thief".
Bill
William Lynch
masterpiece of film making.
"Ikiru"
"Jules et Jacque"
"Les Cousins"
Bill
DarrinT68
>From: William Lynch wbl...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 7/24/00 2:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <397BE3B4...@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will". A Nazi movie, but a
>masterpiece of film making.
Brilliant!? Praising a NAZI film are we!?eh Why not praise the 1981 ACADEMY
AWARD WINNING documentary "GENOCIDE." Produced by SIMON WIESENTHAL and narrated
by ELIZABETH TAYLOR. Far more enlightening than the boring TRIUMPH OF THE
WILL. NIGHT & FOG (1955 french docu on the atrocities of the Holocaust) is
another must see!
Norman Wilner
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"Triumph of the Will" may be a document of indefensible activities, but
it's a stunning movie -- Leni Riefenstahl invented modern advertising with
that film. Every film student should see it, as Lynch's post implied.
Remember, this thread is about what a film student needs to see.
"Night and Fog" is a masterwork, but it doesn't break new ground the way
any of Riefenstahl's films do. ("Olympia" is another must-see, for the
remarkable camerawork and editing.)
Norm Wilner
Starweek Magazine
www.chapters.ca/wilner/
g...@nospamforme.thankyou
an introduction to film history in no order at all,
unless you want to rearrange the list and
watch em in chronological order:
Alexander Nevsky
October
Strike
Battleship Potemkin
Ivan the Terrible
Man with a Movie Camera
Mother
Any Chaplin shorts
Gold Rush
City Lights
Modern Times
L'Age D'or
Metropolis
M
Birth of a Nation
Intolerance
Way Down East
Broken Blossoms
Any DW Griffith shorts
short films by Man Ray
Manhattan Melodrama
Dead End
Angels With Dirty Faces
Olympia
Triumph of the Will
Rules of the Game
Stagecoach
Little Caeser
Public Enemy
Scarface
The Roaring Twenties
Frankenstein
The Bride of Frankenstein
Son of Frankenstein
42nd Street
Citizen Kane
Magnificent Ambersons
Maltese Falcon
Bringing Up Baby
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
A Man Escaped
Pickpocket
Diary of a Country Priest
Young and Innocent
The Man Who Knew Too Much
Saboteur
I could keep going on up to our generation, but pick a few of these.
You'll get the idea and explore the rest of film history on your own.
You will learn much by studying any of these for sure.
Helen & Bob
DarrinT68 wrote:
> >Subject: Re: What movies do I need to see.....film student.
> >From: William Lynch wbl...@worldnet.att.net
> >Date: 7/24/00 2:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <397BE3B4...@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will". A Nazi movie, but a
> >masterpiece of film making.
>
> Brilliant!? Praising a NAZI film are we!?eh Why not praise the 1981 ACADEMY
> AWARD WINNING documentary "GENOCIDE." Produced by SIMON WIESENTHAL and narrated
> by ELIZABETH TAYLOR. Far more enlightening than the boring TRIUMPH OF THE
> WILL. NIGHT & FOG (1955 french docu on the atrocities of the Holocaust) is
> another must see!
You are responding to the message of the film. The comment was upon the quality of
the filming. He said "Apples", you said "but the oranges taste bad"
Non-sequitor.
Bob
William Lynch
>
> >Subject: Re: What movies do I need to see.....film student.
> >From: William Lynch wbl...@worldnet.att.net
> >Date: 7/24/00 2:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <397BE3B4...@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will". A Nazi movie, but a
> >masterpiece of film making.
>
> Brilliant!? Praising a NAZI film are we!?eh Why not praise the 1981 ACADEMY
> AWARD WINNING documentary "GENOCIDE."
No need, according to you it's already won an Oscar.
Bill :-)
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first film. I also reccomend Welcome To The Dollhouse, and Slackers.. If
you're not into contemporary black comedy, I don't know what to tell you. But
those are the three best indies in my opinion.. And personally, I think you
should start with indies anyways!:)
*The Film Angel
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*If I got hit up side the head with a manly tool
*That way he could have nothing left to say
*And have his way with me all day
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subconscious thing, but I'm pretty sure it's because Shallow Grave is
sincerely that worthy.
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