best movies ever
Christoph Unterberger
Hi!
I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
Thanks!
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Jester
Christoph Unterberger wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
> So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
>
> Thanks!
Some of my favorites are recommended and reviewed at the Culture Club
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Kris
Christoph Unterberger wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
Judging by all the groups you cross-posted to I would have thought you
were planning an all-night cross-posting session. ;>
> So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
Nights like these deserve a theme. Why not spend the evening watching
the films of our greatest director Stanley Kubrick? Here's a list of
Kubrick films I'd recommend:
1. A Clockwork Orange
2. The Shining
3. 2001: A Space Oddysey
4. Full Metal Jacket
5. Dr. Strangelove
6. Barry Lyndon
For plot summaries and star ratings of Kubrick's films visit this URL:
http://www.allmusic.com/cgi-win/avg.exe
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Tony Rigby
In article <89301904...@proxy.styria.com>, Christoph Unterberger
<christoph....@styria.com> writes
>
>I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
>
>
articulate and the plot rattles along like a train. Look out for the bit
where Louis conveys the fact that he slept with Sybilla on the night
before her wedding. It takes about a second. These days we'd have to
watch the pair of them writhing about under a pink light for twenty
minutes.
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Thomas E. Dietz
In article <89301904...@proxy.styria.com> "Christoph Unterberger" <christoph....@styria.com> writes:
>From: "Christoph Unterberger" <christoph....@styria.com>
>Subject: best movies ever
>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:30:43 +0200
>Hi!
>I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
>So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
?Another good theme night could be the films of John Sayles, a fine
independent director (who also writes and edits his own films).
Lone Star
Eight Men Out
Passion Fish
Return of the Secaucus Seven
Brother from Another Planet
Matewan
White Knight
1.Star Wars
2.Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.Starship Troopers
5.It's a Wonderful Life
6.Titanic
7.West Side Story
8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
10. Tomorrow Never Dies
Thomas E. Dietz <thomas....@tek.com> wrote in article
<thomas.e.diet...@tek.com>...
Kris
White Knight wrote:
> 1.Star Wars
> 2.Empire Strikes Back
> 3.Return of the Jedi
> 4.Starship Troopers
> 5.It's a Wonderful Life
> 6.Titanic
> 7.West Side Story
> 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
> 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
> 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the best
movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
rec.arts.movies.current-films.
Chuck Vollers
Kris <Gold-Du...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>White Knight wrote:
>
>> 1.Star Wars
>> 2.Empire Strikes Back
>> 3.Return of the Jedi
>> 4.Starship Troopers
>> 5.It's a Wonderful Life
>> 6.Titanic
>> 7.West Side Story
>> 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
>> 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
>> 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
>
>You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the best
>movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
>rec.arts.movies.current-films.
>--
>-Kris
I don't know if it's actually brave to list it but I was more
impressed by his inclusion of "Tomorrow Never Dies." He can easily
find people who think "Titanic" is one of the best films ever, but how
many people do you know who would praise the latest Bond so highly?
Chuck
Jester
Bond got infected with Lazenby, ill with Moore, dead with Dalton, so
Brosnan is a walking corpse. For a Connery Caricature please take a look
at http://fly.to/c3 (and as for Titanic, there's a stabbed DiCaprio
too). Nostalgic Phil
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Christopher M. Stangl
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Chuck Vollers wrote:
> Kris <Gold-Du...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >White Knight wrote:
> >
> >> 1.Star Wars
> >> 2.Empire Strikes Back
> >> 3.Return of the Jedi
> >> 4.Starship Troopers
> >> 5.It's a Wonderful Life
> >> 6.Titanic
> >> 7.West Side Story
> >> 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
> >> 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
> >> 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
> >
> >You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the best
> >movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
> >rec.arts.movies.current-films.
Ha! Just imagine the beating this list'll take here in
alt.cult-movies, where calling "Titanic" "the best" is more like wearing
a "kill me and eat my dismembered limbs" sign.
> I don't know if it's actually brave to list it but I was more
> impressed by his inclusion of "Tomorrow Never Dies." He can easily
> find people who think "Titanic" is one of the best films ever, but how
> many people do you know who would praise the latest Bond so highly?
And I thought "Peter Pan" was a bold choice, if one had to pick a
Greatest Disney Animated Feature. Not as bold as, say "The Aristocats",
or "Robin Hood", but I'd never consider it in the company of "Dumbo" and
"Pinocchio".
-Chris Stangl
ASchweitzer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:38:13 GMT, cvol...@mindspring.com (Chuck
Vollers) wrote:
<snipped>
>
>I don't know if it's actually brave to list it but I was more
>impressed by his inclusion of "Tomorrow Never Dies." He can easily
>find people who think "Titanic" is one of the best films ever,
I thought the costumes were good in Titanic and it
might have been a good film if she hadn't let go of his hand.
Justin Siegel
Kris wrote:
>
> Christoph Unterberger wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
>
> were planning an all-night cross-posting session. ;>
>
>
> the films of our greatest director Stanley Kubrick? Here's a list of
> Kubrick films I'd recommend:
>
> 1. A Clockwork Orange
> 2. The Shining
> 3. 2001: A Space Oddysey
> 4. Full Metal Jacket
> 5. Dr. Strangelove
> 6. Barry Lyndon
I agree, but what about watching ONE film from, say, ten of the best
filmmakers ever?
- Psycho (Hitchcock)
- The Conversation (Coppola)
- Touch of Evil (Welles)
- Double Indemnity (Wilder)
- 2001 (Kubrick)
- Platoon (Stone)
- Raging Bull (Scorsese)
- Annie Hall (Allen)
- La Strada (Fellini)
- 400 Blows (Truffaut)
--
Justin Kristopher Siegel
"Everything our parents said was good
is bad: sun, milk, red meat, college"
-- Woody Allen, Annie Hall
Justin Siegel
Penguin Dust wrote:
>
> What about Bunuel or Lynch?
Or Lean or Kieslowski. I named 10. Obviously, some great guys are gonna
be left off.
Alex Crouvier
Justin Siegel wrote:
> - Psycho (Hitchcock)
> - The Conversation (Coppola)
> - Touch of Evil (Welles)
> - Double Indemnity (Wilder)
> - 2001 (Kubrick)
> - Platoon (Stone)
> - Raging Bull (Scorsese)
> - Annie Hall (Allen)
> - La Strada (Fellini)
> - 400 Blows (Truffaut)
Straight out of Film 101 textbooks: a little of french New Wave, a touch
of Fellini, a sprinkle of New York's urban artists, and voila, a
respectable list of GREATEST FILMS EVER MADE that is guaranteed to make
the poster look goooooood.
How can anyone ignore the masters of silent cinema? Where would tyke
like Welles be without Griffith (his INTOLERANCE is still one of the
greatest films ever made), Chaplin, or Murnau?
Justin Siegel
I never called these the greatest ever made, just ten of the greatest
directors' best films. I originally had Chaplin on the list (with The
Great Dictator as his best film) but I took him off for Oliver Stone. As
for Intolerance, I've seen it, but only truly enjoyed the Last Days of
Christ segment. The characterizations, in particular, are extremely
dated.
Witold Tietze
Kris wrote:
>
> White Knight wrote:
>
> > 1.Star Wars
> > 2.Empire Strikes Back
> > 3.Return of the Jedi
> > 4.Starship Troopers
> > 5.It's a Wonderful Life
> > 6.Titanic
> > 7.West Side Story
> > 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
> > 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
> > 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
>
> You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the best
> movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
> rec.arts.movies.current-films.
Ditto alt.cult-movies
Penguin Dust
What about Bunuel or Lynch?
>I agree, but what about watching ONE film from, say, ten of the best
>filmmakers ever?
>
>- Psycho (Hitchcock)
>- The Conversation (Coppola)
>- Touch of Evil (Welles)
>- Double Indemnity (Wilder)
>- 2001 (Kubrick)
>- Platoon (Stone)
>- Raging Bull (Scorsese)
>- Annie Hall (Allen)
>- La Strada (Fellini)
>- 400 Blows (Truffaut)
>
Penguin Dust
This is a good list for one who is about to complete sixth grade
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says...
William Brainard
1. All That Heaven Allows
2. Double Indemnity
3. Rebecca
4. Imitation of Life (with Claudette Colbert)
5. A Man Called Peter
6. Good Morning Miss Dove
7. Come Back Little Sheba
8. The Long Long Trailer
9. Suddenly
10. The Day The Earth Stood Still
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Steve Crook
Christoph Unterberger wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
>
>
As a Brit I'd have to either say an Ealing season (not just
the comedies either) or preferably a Powell & Pressburger
season - they make you laugh, cry & THINK !!
Steve
David Jones
I think you could have picked a better film to represent Oliver Stone's
contribution to the cinema. Platoon was acclaimed because it came along
at the right time, not because it was a particularly good film. Full
Metal Jacket was much more accomplished.
ASchweitzer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:51:26 -0700, Justin Siegel
<jus...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
<snip>
>
>I never called these the greatest ever made, just ten of the greatest
>directors' best films. I originally had Chaplin on the list (with The
>Great Dictator as his best film) but I took him off for Oliver Stone.
Why did Oliver Stone care if he was on your list?
Can't you have your own list without Oliver
Stone putting pressure on you about your list or what?
Catty@demon
David Jones <d.j...@barnsley.ac.uk> wrote:
Came along at the right time? Greenlighted at the right time, you
mean. It took Stone approx. 11 years to bring it to the screen.
Catty
Patricia
I will also list Titanic as one of the best....probably THE best ! Here are
a few...
Once were Warriors (GREAT !!)
Titanic
Fried Green Tomatoes at Whistle Stop Café
Pulp Fiction
Schindler's List
Dances with Wolves
The Fugitive
Forrest Gump
Desperado
Four Weddings and a funeral
Le grand bleu
Mask
...and more...
//Jennie
In article
<Pine.A41.3.95.980420...@green.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
"Christopher M. Stangl" <cst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Chuck Vollers wrote:
>
> > Kris <Gold-Du...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >White Knight wrote:
> > >
> > >> 1.Star Wars
> > >> 2.Empire Strikes Back
> > >> 3.Return of the Jedi
> > >> 4.Starship Troopers
> > >> 5.It's a Wonderful Life
> > >> 6.Titanic
> > >> 7.West Side Story
> > >> 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
> > >> 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
> > >> 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
> > >
> > >You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the best
> > >movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
> > >rec.arts.movies.current-films.
>
> Ha! Just imagine the beating this list'll take here in
> alt.cult-movies, where calling "Titanic" "the best" is more like wearing
> a "kill me and eat my dismembered limbs" sign.
>
> > I don't know if it's actually brave to list it but I was more
> > impressed by his inclusion of "Tomorrow Never Dies." He can easily
> > find people who think "Titanic" is one of the best films ever, but how
> > many people do you know who would praise the latest Bond so highly?
>
> And I thought "Peter Pan" was a bold choice, if one had to pick a
> Greatest Disney Animated Feature. Not as bold as, say "The Aristocats",
> or "Robin Hood", but I'd never consider it in the company of "Dumbo" and
> "Pinocchio".
> -Chris Stangl
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Reference #11
Hello, here is my top ten:
1. "The Red Ballon"
2. "Wait Until Dark"
3. "Farenheit 451"
4. "A Man And A Woman"
5. "Midnight Cowboy"
6. "Two For The Road"
7. "The Bird With The Crystal Plumage"
8. "The Party"
9. "Doctor Zhivago"
10. "Breathless"
Also, I can't forget: 2001, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, American Graffeti,
Rain Man and 400 Blows.
-Christopher
bwu...@bellsouth.net
ASchweitzer
>Hello, here is my top ten:
>
>1. "The Red Ballon"
I can't believe it!
<smacks her forehead>
THIS IS ONE OF MY ALLTIME FAVORITES!!!!
Chuck Vollers
<Insert usual disclaimers about these only being a small selection of
current personal favorites which are subject to change whenever I feel
like it here.>
Eraserhead
Videodrome
Un Chien Andalou
Breathless (the '59 Godard film)
Deep Red (Dario Argento)
Nosferatu (the silent version)
Aguirre: the Wrath of God
Two Men and a Wardrobe (early Polanski short)
Immoral Tales
Stalker (Andrei Tarkovsky)
This list is in geographical order.
And yes, I realize that some of these titles are hard to find.
Happy viewing,
Chuck
Mark.J.Desocio
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Patricia wrote:
>
> I will also list Titanic as one of the best....probably THE best ! Here are
> a few...
>
> Once were Warriors (GREAT !!)
> Titanic
> Fried Green Tomatoes at Whistle Stop Café
> Pulp Fiction
> Schindler's List
> Dances with Wolves
> The Fugitive
> Forrest Gump
> Desperado
> Four Weddings and a funeral
> Le grand bleu
> Mask
>
> ...and more...
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Big Night
Le Jour se Leve
The Third Man
Aguirre, the Wrath of God
Breathless
In the Company of Men
The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
Fargo
Persona
Nashville
Ashes and Diamonds
Five Easy Pieces
Umberto D.
Violence at Noon
L'Avventura
Annie Hall
The Seventh Seal
M
La Dolce Vita
Plus the oft-cited (sometimes slightly over-) praised classics:
Godfather 1 & 2
8-1/2
Citizen Kane
Taxi Driver
Dr. Strangelove
On the Waterfront
Deliverance
Midnight Cowboy
Blowup
Diary of a Country Priest
Easy Rider
Double Indemnity
Belle de Jour
Casablanca
Hitchcock films
...& much more...
J. Stephen
David Jones wrote:
>
> I think you could have picked a better film to represent Oliver Stone's
> contribution to the cinema. Platoon was acclaimed because it came along
> at the right time, not because it was a particularly good film. Full
> Metal Jacket was much more accomplished.
I know your above statement is subjective but...nonsense!
regards,
J. Stephen
William Pora
Christoph Unterberger wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
> So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
>
Ishtar
attack of the killer tomatoes
plan 9 from outer space
titanic
oops! you said best, sorry i thought you said worst.
try
"the longest day"
"apocalypse now"
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Pedro Sena
Chuck Vollers wrote in message <353cf0ff...@news.mindspring.com>...
>This list is in geographical order.
>And yes, I realize that some of these titles are hard to find.
None of these are hard to find. In good video stores where taste goes beyond
making money anyone can find easily half of your list.
WHAT A LIST..... thank goodness, finaly a list without commercial/hollywood
stuff ... it's like its all people see, and think its good, since they will
never see anything else.....
Here's mine: ( order --- what ? )
La Double Vie de Veronique
Bitter Sugar
The Island on Bird Street
The Fencing Master
Tous Les Matins du Monde
Aguirre, the Wrath of God
When the River Runs Black
Godard's King Lear
Prospero's Books
Bad Timing, A Sensual Obsession
There's more, but I can not get them to pop in .....
Jester
Pedro Sena wrote:
>
> Chuck Vollers wrote in message <353cf0ff...@news.mindspring.com>...
> >This list is in geographical order.
> >And yes, I realize that some of these titles are hard to find.
>
> None of these are hard to find. In good video stores where taste goes beyond
> making money anyone can find easily half of your list.
My taste when it comes to the local video store is largely dependant on
whatever US or UK people chose to ban, unless I want to get a german
dubbed version (Kubrick's Clockwork Orange and Cronenberg's Crash and so
on).
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Brian
Justin Siegel wrote:
>
> Kris wrote:
> >
> > Christoph Unterberger wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
> >
> > were planning an all-night cross-posting session. ;>
> >
> filmmakers ever?
>
Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
War - Pork Chop Hill
Action - John Woo's The Killer
Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
Drama - Taxi Driver
Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
Musical - On the Town
Suspense - Niagra
Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
Foreign - Red
That should be enough viewing for one evening !
Brian
Chuck Vollers
"Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>Chuck Vollers wrote in message <353cf0ff...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>This list is in geographical order.
>>And yes, I realize that some of these titles are hard to find.
>
>
>None of these are hard to find. In good video stores where taste goes beyond
>making money anyone can find easily half of your list.
Well, in my town, I can't think of a single video store that is likely
to have more than 4. The independents are usually pretty poorly
stocked as far as foreign titles go and the mega-stores too staid in
their selection. I have heard interesting things about Hollywood
Video, however, but haven't had a chance to check them out.
Chuck
Paul J. Adams
Brian <ns...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<353E87...@earthlink.net>...
> Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
Hey, I liked this one too, but it's been a LONG time since I've seen it. I
think it's time for a second viewing!
Jim Mann
Brian wrote:
> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
Interesting idea, though I disagree with your choices.
> War - Pork Chop Hill
Glory, Patton
> Action - John Woo's The Killer
Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Hidden
Fortress
> Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
Duck Soup
> Drama - Taxi Driver
The Seven Samauri (though this could also fit in several other genres),
Citizen Kane, Ikiru
> Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
The Postman Always Rings Twice
> Musical - On the Town
The Music Man, Singing in the Rain
> Suspense - Niagra
Rear Window, North By Northwest
> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
2001, Forbidden Planet, The Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner
> Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
I'll skip this one. I don't know the genre that well.
> Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
Any of James Whale's Universal monster films: Frankenstein, The Bride of
Frankenstein, Dracula
> Foreign - Red
>
I'd rather just include "foreign" films in the other categories, as
appropriate.
!Fantomas!
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98042...@bama.ua.edu>,
deso...@bama.ua.edu says...
>
>
>
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Patricia wrote:
>
>> I will also list Titanic as one of the best....probably THE best ! Here a=
>re
>> a few...
>>=20
>> Once were Warriors (GREAT !!)
>> Titanic
>> Pulp Fiction
>> Schindler's List=20
>> Dances with Wolves
>> The Fugitive
>> Forrest Gump
>> Desperado
>> Four Weddings and a funeral
>> Le grand bleu
>> Mask
>> ...and more...
>
>
>The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
>Big Night
>Le Jour se Leve
>The Third Man
>In the Company of Men
>The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
>Fargo
>Persona
>Nashville
>Ashes and Diamonds
>Five Easy Pieces
>Umberto D.
>Violence at Noon
I;ve never heard of this film !
>L'Avventura
>Annie Hall
>The Seventh Seal
>M
>La Dolce Vita
>
>
>Plus the oft-cited (sometimes slightly over-) praised classics:
>
>Godfather 1 & 2
>8-1/2
>Citizen Kane
>Taxi Driver
>Dr. Strangelove
>On the Waterfront
>Deliverance
>Midnight Cowboy
>Blowup
>Diary of a Country Priest
>Easy Rider
>Double Indemnity
>Belle de Jour
>Casablanca
>Hitchcock films
Which Hitchcock films ? He made some films that were good but not great ( Man
Who Knew Too Much remake, Murder, Rope, Dial M For Murder, Saboteur, etc, )
and others that were misfires for a variety of reasons. Not everything he
touched became great. This is not to detract from his achievements though.
Also a list of the great films of all time that doesnt mention any Welles
films aside from Kane or for that matter Wilder's Sunset Boulevard ?
>=2E..& much more...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>=20
>>=20
>> //Jennie
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> In article
>> <Pine.A41.3.95.980420...@green.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
>> "Christopher M. Stangl" <cst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>>=20
>> > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Chuck Vollers wrote:
>> >=20
>> > > Kris <Gold-Du...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> > >=20
>> > > >White Knight wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> 1.Star Wars
>> > > >> 2.Empire Strikes Back
>> > > >> 3.Return of the Jedi
>> > > >> 4.Starship Troopers
>> > > >> 5.It's a Wonderful Life
>> > > >> 6.Titanic
>> > > >> 7.West Side Story
>> > > >> 8.Peter Pan (cartoon)
>> > > >> 9.Raiders of the Lost Ark
>> > > >> 10. Tomorrow Never Dies
>> > > >
>> > > >You're a brave man White Knight. Listing "Titanic" as one of the be=
>st
>> > > >movies ever is like wearing a "flame me" sign here on
>> > > >rec.arts.movies.current-films.
>> >=20
>> > Ha! Just imagine the beating this list'll take here in
>> > alt.cult-movies, where calling "Titanic" "the best" is more like wearin=
>g
>> > a "kill me and eat my dismembered limbs" sign.
>> >=20
>> > > I don't know if it's actually brave to list it but I was more
>> > > impressed by his inclusion of "Tomorrow Never Dies." He can easily
>> > > find people who think "Titanic" is one of the best films ever, but ho=
>w
>> > > many people do you know who would praise the latest Bond so highly?
>> >=20
>> > And I thought "Peter Pan" was a bold choice, if one had to pick=
> a
>> > Greatest Disney Animated Feature. Not as bold as, say "The Aristocats"=
>,
>> > or "Robin Hood", but I'd never consider it in the company of "Dumbo" an=
>d
>> > "Pinocchio".
>> > -Chris Stangl
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Peter Sims
Chuck Vollers wrote:
>
> <Insert usual disclaimers about these only being a small selection of
> current personal favorites which are subject to change whenever I feel
> like it here.>
>
> Eraserhead
> Videodrome
> Un Chien Andalou
> Breathless (the '59 Godard film)
> Deep Red (Dario Argento)
> Nosferatu (the silent version)
> Aguirre: the Wrath of God
> Two Men and a Wardrobe (early Polanski short)
> Immoral Tales
> Stalker (Andrei Tarkovsky)
>
>
> And yes, I realize that some of these titles are hard to find.
>
>
> Chuck
Great list! Here's mine. They are along the same lines:
Eraserhead
Seventh Seal
El Topo
Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Un Chien Andalou
Suspiria
Nosferatu
Videodrome
Pedro Sena
Chuck Vollers wrote in message <353e93cb...@news.mindspring.com>...
>"Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>>None of these are hard to find. In good video stores where taste goes
beyond
>>making money anyone can find easily half of your list.
>Well, in my town, I can't think of a single video store that is likely
>to have more than 4. The independents are usually pretty poorly
>stocked as far as foreign titles go and the mega-stores too staid in
>their selection. I have heard interesting things about Hollywood
>Video, however, but haven't had a chance to check them out.
The one here in our town, has four of those films mentioned. I called to
check.
Gordo
> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>
> Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
>
> That should be enough viewing for one evening !
>
> Brian
How about:
War - Bridge over the River Kwai
Action - Die Hard (1)
Comedy - Porky's
Drama - Titanic
Film Noir - Seven
Musical - Evita
Suspense - The Game
Sci Fi - Star Wars
Western - Unforgiven or Outlaw Josey Wales either one :)
Horror- The Omen
Pedro Sena
Peter Sims wrote in message <353FEF...@ix.netcom.com>...
>Great list! Here's mine. They are along the same lines:
>El Topo
Nice one... I would love to see this today... I wonder if it makes better
sense. It was weird, then.
>Nosferatu
Herzog's?
Peter Sims
Silent. I realized I should have marked it silent or Herzog's. I am
currently trying to find the two Herzog films Nosferatu and Aguirre:
Wrath of God.
William Pora
Brian wrote:
> War - Pork Chop Hill
The longest day
> Action - John Woo's The Killer
Enter the Dragon
> Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
Monty python's Holy Grail
> Drama - Taxi Driver
Ben-Hur (semi historical drama)
> Suspense - Niagra
North by Northwest
> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
Scifi drama - The empire strikes back
Scifi action - Starship troopers
> Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
The Shootist
> Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
The Exorcist
> Foreign - Red
>
> That should be enough viewing for one evening !
>
> Brian
--
rgr...@ionline.net
In article <353F3EA6...@transarc.com>,
Jim Mann <jm...@transarc.com> wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
>
> > Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>
And I with some of yours.
> > War - Pork Chop Hill
>
> Glory, Patton
I like these, but I'd also list Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter, Das Boot.
> > Action - John Woo's The Killer
I'm a Woo buff, too. I'd also list Face/Off (and I hear Bullet in the Head is
excellent, but I can't find it anywhere!)
> Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Hidden
> Fortress
Yep.
> > Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
>
> Duck Soup
Woody's top shelf (Annie Hall, Manhattan, Play it Again, Sam) and American
Graffiti.
> > Drama - Taxi Driver
>
> The Seven Samauri (though this could also fit in several other genres),
> Citizen Kane, Ikiru
Everything by Scorsese, along with JFK, Cuckoo's Nest, and Five Easy Pieces.
> > Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
>
> The Postman Always Rings Twice
Chinatown.
> > Musical - On the Town
>
> The Music Man, Singing in the Rain
Sound of Music (not the *best*, but I'm not exactly an authority in this area,
and had a thing for Julie Andrews in my youth)
> > Suspense - Niagra
>
> Rear Window, North By Northwest
Vertigo, Psycho.
> > Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
>
> 2001, Forbidden Planet, The Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner
Mmm-hmm. ESB is my favorite film.
> > Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
>
> I'll skip this one. I don't know the genre that well.
The Wild Bunch, Unforgiven.
> > Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
>
> Any of James Whale's Universal monster films: Frankenstein, The Bride of
> Frankenstein, Dracula
Dawn of the Dead, Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcist.
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Mark.J.Desocio
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, William Pora wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > War - Pork Chop Hill
> The longest day
The Bridge on the River Kwai
> > Action - John Woo's The Killer
> Enter the Dragon
Diva
>
> > Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
> Monty python's Holy Grail
Annie Hall
Moonstruck
>
> > Drama - Taxi Driver
> Ben-Hur (semi historical drama)
Five Easy Pieces
Nashville
> > Suspense - Niagra
> North by Northwest
>
Klute
> > Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
> Scifi drama - The empire strikes back
> Scifi action - Starship troopers
Solaris, 2001: A Space Odyssey
>
> > Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
> The Shootist
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
> > Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
> The Exorcist
"M"
Satire -
Dr. Strangelove
> > Foreign - Red
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Pedro Sena
Gordo wrote in message <353FD9...@sno.net>...
>> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>> War - Pork Chop Hill
WE can't use Dr. Strangelove?
>> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
Nice choice.... classy.
>> Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
I prefer the original with Lee & Cushing, but that one is fine.
>> Foreign - Red
Actually, Kieslowski's The Double Life of Veronique, really fits better here
than RED. It is a nice film, but not as good as the other.
Western - The Wild Bunch
( The best western ever made )
Pedro Sena
Peter Sims wrote in message <354130...@ix.netcom.com>...
>Silent. I realized I should have marked it silent or Herzog's. I am
>currently trying to find the two Herzog films Nosferatu and Aguirre:
>Wrath of God.
Both available in video. NOSFERATU, is a large screen film. It is totaly
color and lots of music. If you catch it on video, hook up the sound to the
stereo and do it loud. AGUIRRE, is a very good film, although its excessive
nature leaves a lot of people ... not exactly enamored with it. It is
visually stunning as well.
You know, I really like Popol Vuh's music, and was into it way before I got
into Herzog... but the bad part is that I like the music so much, and it
takes me places ... few of which match Herzog's use in the films... still,
it is beautiful stuff to listen to, and is very well used in the films. In
Nosferatu, there is classical music used as well.
Pedro Sena
Mark.J.Desocio wrote in message ...
>> > Foreign - Red
> The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
> Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
> Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before I
would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its time.
Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off the
wall.
BTW, I am trying to get a new newsgroup created, called
"rec.arts.movies.international", and would like to add your name to my list.
The voting ( CFV ) will be coming out at any time, and discussing these
beauties will be a little easier, since we will now have a more centered
place for it.
Chuck Vollers
"Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>Mark.J.Desocio wrote in message ...
>>> > Foreign - Red
>
>> The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
>> Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
>> Aguirre: The Wrath of God
>
>
>Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before I
>would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its time.
I'd pick "Discreet Charm" over "Los Olvidados," but that's probably
because "Charm" was the first Bunuel feature I saw.
>Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off the
>wall.
Are you sure there's not some sort of typo up there? Breathless was
Godard's first feature, so I think it would easily fall into his early
period.
>BTW, I am trying to get a new newsgroup created, called
>"rec.arts.movies.international", and would like to add your name to my list.
>The voting ( CFV ) will be coming out at any time, and discussing these
>beauties will be a little easier, since we will now have a more centered
>place for it.
>
>
Sounds cool.
Chuck
Michael Brooke
Chuck Vollers <cvol...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>
> >Mark.J.Desocio wrote in message ...
> >>> > Foreign - Red
> >
> >> The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
> >> Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
> >> Aguirre: The Wrath of God
> >
> >
> >Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before I
> >would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its time.
>
> I'd pick "Discreet Charm" over "Los Olvidados," but that's probably
> because "Charm" was the first Bunuel feature I saw.
'Discreet Charm' is a sensationally good film by any normal standards -
but in the Bunuel canon I'd have to rate it below both 'Los Olvidados'
and 'L'Age d'Or', both of which burn a hole in the cinema screen.
Those films show what Bunuel could do working at full tilt - 'Discreet
Charm', by contrast, is more a case of him getting together with his
friends and just making a film for the hell of it. I love the way it
looks so relaxed, but it ultimately lacks the edge that you find in at
least half-a-dozen other Bunuel films (including 'The Exterminating
Angel', which is *very* similar to 'Discreet Charm' in all sorts of ways
- but ultimately packs a far greater punch).
> >Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off the
> >wall.
>
> Are you sure there's not some sort of typo up there? Breathless was
> Godard's first feature, so I think it would easily fall into his early
> period.
It depends on when you think Godard's "early period" was. One could
argue that the 'Cahiers du Cinema' articles that he wrote in the 1950s
are just as important a statement of his artistic credo as anything he
made since - which would make 'Breathless' (made in 1959) the start of
his second period... though on reflection it was probably just the
poster getting the date wrong.
And his *later* films were infinitely more off-the-wall than the early
work - most of the pre-1967 films are at least perfectly watchable on a
narrative level even if you don't buy into everything else.
Michael
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mic...@everyman.demon.co.uk (Michael Brooke) wrote:
>'Discreet Charm' is a sensationally good film by any normal standards -
>but in the Bunuel canon I'd have to rate it below both 'Los Olvidados'
>and 'L'Age d'Or', both of which burn a hole in the cinema screen.
>
>Those films show what Bunuel could do working at full tilt - 'Discreet
>Charm', by contrast, is more a case of him getting together with his
>friends and just making a film for the hell of it. I love the way it
>looks so relaxed, but it ultimately lacks the edge that you find in at
>least half-a-dozen other Bunuel films (including 'The Exterminating
>Angel', which is *very* similar to 'Discreet Charm' in all sorts of ways
>- but ultimately packs a far greater punch).
I too prefer 'The Exterminating Angel' to 'Discreet Charm.' (Haven't
seen 'L'Age d'Or' yet.) But there's something about the very ease and
(dare I say it) grace of 'Discreet Charm' that I find extremely
appealing. It seems to all at once be a joke on the bourgeoisie, the
audience and even Bunuel himself. The lack of direction in the lead
characters is absorbed by the film itself and if this results in a
lack of bite, somehow the result seems completely appropriate to me.
Chuck
Alex Crouvier
Pedro Sena wrote:
> Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off the
> wall.
BREATHLESS is Godard's first feature. I'd consider that his "early
period"
You sound like an overenthusiastic first year film student. Bunuel,
Godard, international cinema...don't worry, you certainly got taste :-)
Mark.J.Desocio
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Gordo wrote:
> > Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
> >
> > War - Pork Chop Hill
> > Action - John Woo's The Killer
> > Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
> > Drama - Taxi Driver
> > Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
> > Musical - On the Town
> > Suspense - Niagra
> > Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
> > Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
> > Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
> > Foreign - Red
> >
> > That should be enough viewing for one evening !
> >
> > Brian
>
> How about:
> War - Bridge over the River Kwai
> Action - Die Hard (1)
> Comedy - Porky's
> Drama - Titanic
> Film Noir - Seven
> Musical - Evita
> Suspense - The Game
> Sci Fi - Star Wars
> Western - Unforgiven or Outlaw Josey Wales either one :)
> Horror- The Omen
Are you listing the worst films ever made? I agree with you except for
"The Bridge on the River Kwai."
Michael
Mark.J.Desocio
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Pedro Sena wrote:
> Gordo wrote in message <353FD9...@sno.net>...
> >> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>
> >> War - Pork Chop Hill
>
> WE can't use Dr. Strangelove?
>
> >> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
>
> Nice choice.... classy.
>
> >> Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
>
> I prefer the original with Lee & Cushing, but that one is fine.
>
> >> Foreign - Red
But to say that Kieslowski directed the greatest foreign film ever made is
ridiculous! "Red" was alright, but geeze! How about films by Jean Renoir
(France), Fritz Lang (Ger-US), Federico Fellini (Italy), Ingmar Bergman
(Sweden), Akira Kurosawa (Japan), Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy), Robert
Bresson (France), Saytajit Ray (India), Kenji Mizoguchi (Japan), Luis
Bunuel (Spain, Mexico, France), Jean Vigo (France), Werner Herzog
(Germany), Yasukiro Oju (Japan), Lina Wertmuller (Italy), Jean-Luc Godard
(France), Sergei Eisenstein (USSR), Jean Cocteau (France), Max Ophuls
(Ger, Fr, US), Carl Dreyer (Denmark), Francois Truffaut (France), Kon
Ichikawa (Japan) or Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR), to pick a few.
Look for these directors' films in your video store, and watch your world
open like an oyster.
Michael
Mark.J.Desocio
I agree; it's a film I never tire of watching. There are other films that
may have had a deeper immediate impact ("L'Age d'Or," "Un Chien Andalou")
and may have initially hit harder ("The Exterminating Angel,"
"Viridiana"), but there's a certain indefinable quality to "Discreet
Charm" that makes it so special, at least to me. Plus, there's something
heroic and inspiring in the fact that Bunuel, in the last ten or fifteen
years of his life and deep into old age, was still turning out
masterpieces ("Discreet," "Viridiana," "Belle de Jour," "Phantom of
Liberty," "Milky Way") that in no way retred past successes. [The only
sour note was perhaps his last film "That Obsure Object of Desire," a
minor but enjoyable film, with a typical Bunuelian twist (two actesses
playing the same woman).]
Michael
Sidi Slimane
In article <3543453...@news.mindspring.com>, cvol...@mindspring.com
says...
>
>"Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>
>>Mark.J.Desocio wrote in message ...
>>>> > Foreign - Red
>>
>>> The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
>>> Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
>>> Aguirre: The Wrath of God
>>
>>
>>Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before I
>>would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its time.
>
>I'd pick "Discreet Charm" over "Los Olvidados," but that's probably
>because "Charm" was the first Bunuel feature I saw.
Charm is actually one of Buñuel's weaker films. It is a pale imitation of
El angel exterminador which I would consider his best.
>>Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off
the
>>wall.
>
>Are you sure there's not some sort of typo up there? Breathless was
>Godard's first feature, so I think it would easily fall into his early
>period.
Breathless would be Godard's best along with Pierrot Le Fou and Contempt
>>BTW, I am trying to get a new newsgroup created, called
>>"rec.arts.movies.international", and would like to add your name to my
list.
>>The voting ( CFV ) will be coming out at any time, and discussing these
>>beauties will be a little easier, since we will now have a more centered
>>place for it.
>>
>>
>Sounds cool.
>
>Chuck
Excellent idea
Brian
Mark.J.Desocio wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Pedro Sena wrote:
>
> > Gordo wrote in message <353FD9...@sno.net>...
> > >> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>
> But to say that Kieslowski directed the greatest foreign film ever made is
> ridiculous! "Red" was alright, but geeze! How about films by Jean Renoir
> (France), Fritz Lang (Ger-US), Federico Fellini (Italy), Ingmar Bergman
> (Sweden), Akira Kurosawa (Japan), Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy), Robert
> Bresson (France), Saytajit Ray (India), Kenji Mizoguchi (Japan), Luis
> Bunuel (Spain, Mexico, France), Jean Vigo (France), Werner Herzog
> (Germany), Yasukiro Oju (Japan), Lina Wertmuller (Italy), Jean-Luc Godard
> (France), Sergei Eisenstein (USSR), Jean Cocteau (France), Max Ophuls
> (Ger, Fr, US), Carl Dreyer (Denmark), Francois Truffaut (France), Kon
> Ichikawa (Japan) or Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR), to pick a few.
>
> Look for these directors' films in your video store, and watch your world
> open like an oyster.
>
> Michael
>
Didn't actually say that RED was the greatest foreign film ever - just a
recommendation for an evenings viewing.I will say though that it is a
lot more accessible and enjoyable to most people than many of the films
of the directors you cite. That listing was just your typical
masturbatory regurgatation of what a film student feels necessary to
express his intellect and superiority in cinema.
Brian
DWB
Gordo wrote:
>
> > Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
> >
> > Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
> > Drama - Taxi Driver
> > Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
> > Musical - On the Town
> > Suspense - Niagra
> >
> > That should be enough viewing for one evening !
> >
> > Brian
>
> How about:
> War - Bridge over the River Kwai
> Action - Die Hard (1)
> Comedy - Porky's
> Drama - Titanic
> Film Noir - Seven
> Musical - Evita
> Suspense - The Game
> Sci Fi - Star Wars
> Western - Unforgiven or Outlaw Josey Wales either one :)
> Horror- The Omen
Or...
War: Paths of Glory
Action: Gunga Din
Comedy: Some Like It Hot
Drama: Citizen Kane
Noir: Out of the Past
Musical: Singin' in the Rain
Suspense: Strangers on a Train
Sci-Fi: Solaris
Western: The Searchers
Horror: Rosemary's Baby
Eric
Pedro Sena
Mark.J.Desocio wrote in message ...
>> >Charm', by contrast, is more a case of him getting together with his
>> >friends and just making a film for the hell of it. I love the way it
>> >looks so relaxed, but it ultimately lacks the edge that you find in at
>> >least half-a-dozen other Bunuel films (including 'The Exterminating
>> >Angel', which is *very* similar to 'Discreet Charm' in all sorts of ways
>> >- but ultimately packs a far greater punch).
According to the BRAVO special on him ( years ago I taped it ), that film
and the next two were experiments in that him and Jean Claude Carriere, were
having a ball writing things. But in many ways, while fun, and good, they
did not have the pointed edges that Bunuel had used earlier. Before, the
films were more making a point, as a whole, and later, they became more
about each character, and less a "film". In many ways, it tried to break
with tradition by defying conventional story lines. The earlier films had
story lines, and then some....
[The only
>sour note was perhaps his last film "That Obsure Object of Desire," a
>minor but enjoyable film, with a typical Bunuelian twist (two actesses
>playing the same woman).]
Gosh, I have to pull out the books.... I think LE PHANTOME DE LA LIVERTE is
the last film. In "Desire", the original actress dropped out, probably so
confused as to what was going on. Bunuel, decided to keep what he had and
add a twist to the whole thing. As it turns out, it was his cleverness that
made a film of it, or it would have been killed as a project altogether. I
would think that the producer, Silverman probably figured that an absurdist
would be able to salvage anything as anything else. It's not a great film,
but the quick changes, checking it out today are very good, and the film is
a real neat psycho/logical study in that area.
Pedro Sena
DWB wrote in message <6i046l$o...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>War: Paths of Glory
That was the film, whose title I couldn't find in my head.
>Drama: Citizen Kane
Very deserving.
>Horror: Rosemary's Baby
I don't know that I would consider this a horror film, but I certainly would
call it "vicious", with a magnificent shooting style that always gets our
heads turning.
Justin Siegel
> Action: Gunga Din The Fugitive
> Comedy: Some Like It Hot Annie Hall
> Drama: Citizen Kane Casablanca
> Noir: Out of the Past Double Indemnity
> Musical: Singin' in the Rain Singin' in the Rain
> Suspense: Strangers on a Train The Usual Suspects
> Sci-Fi: Solaris Empire... d'uh.
> Western: The Searchers The Wild Bunch
> Horror: Rosemary's Baby The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
>
> Eric
--
Justin Kristopher Siegel
"Everything our parents said was good
is bad: sun, milk, red meat, college"
-- Woody Allen, Annie Hall
Ray Tucker
In all this Bunuel talk, none has mentioned "Simon of the Desert",
which I loved.
I'd like to see Godard's "Two or Three things I Know About Her" again.
it struck me at the time I saw it (I sat through it twice).
Alex Crouvier
Mark.J.Desocio wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Gordo wrote:
> > How about:
> > War - Bridge over the River Kwai
> > Action - Die Hard (1)
> > Comedy - Porky's
> > Drama - Titanic
> > Film Noir - Seven
> > Musical - Evita
> > Suspense - The Game
> > Sci Fi - Star Wars
> > Western - Unforgiven or Outlaw Josey Wales either one :)
> > Horror- The Omen
>
> Are you listing the worst films ever made? I agree with you except for
> "The Bridge on the River Kwai."
>
> Michael
Well, at least, UNFORGIVEN is politically commited film. Far more
ambitious and compelling thematically than THE BRIDGE ON RIVER KWAI.
Alex Crouvier
Mark.J.Desocio wrote:
> I agree; it's a film I never tire of watching. There are other films that
> may have had a deeper immediate impact ("L'Age d'Or," "Un Chien Andalou")
> and may have initially hit harder ("The Exterminating Angel,"
> "Viridiana")
Jesus, you guys are sick. Watch a bunch of bourgeoise buffoons for two
hours? Compelling? Phhewww! Godard's WEEKEND is ultimately creative, a
shock to the system, brilliant in its grotesque way. But I won't watch
it again --it's too severe a cinematic experience for me. Just because
your Film textbook says it is one of the most essential films ever made
in the history of cinema doesn't warrant that kind of fan-boy adoration.
UN CHIEN ANDALOU? Again and again? For that razor blade sequence? Sure
it's trascendental for some --but can we move on?
Alex Crouvier
Brian wrote:
>
> Mark.J.Desocio wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Pedro Sena wrote:
> >
> > > Gordo wrote in message <353FD9...@sno.net>...
> >
> > But to say that Kieslowski directed the greatest foreign film ever made is
> > ridiculous! "Red" was alright, but geeze! How about films by Jean Renoir
> > (France), Fritz Lang (Ger-US), Federico Fellini (Italy), Ingmar Bergman
> > (Sweden), Akira Kurosawa (Japan), Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy), Robert
> > Bresson (France), Saytajit Ray (India), Kenji Mizoguchi (Japan), Luis
> > Bunuel (Spain, Mexico, France), Jean Vigo (France), Werner Herzog
> > (Germany), Yasukiro Oju (Japan), Lina Wertmuller (Italy), Jean-Luc Godard
> > (France), Sergei Eisenstein (USSR), Jean Cocteau (France), Max Ophuls
> > (Ger, Fr, US), Carl Dreyer (Denmark), Francois Truffaut (France), Kon
> > Ichikawa (Japan) or Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR), to pick a few.
> >
> > Look for these directors' films in your video store, and watch your world
> > open like an oyster.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Didn't actually say that RED was the greatest foreign film ever - just a
> recommendation for an evenings viewing.I will say though that it is a
> lot more accessible and enjoyable to most people than many of the films
> of the directors you cite. That listing was just your typical
> masturbatory regurgatation of what a film student feels necessary to
> express his intellect and superiority in cinema.
>
> Brian
Hear, hear!
Alex Crouvier
"...magnificent shooting style"? Been reading from your lecture notes
again?
alan hunter
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:37:25 -0500, " Mark.J.Desocio "
<deso...@bama.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>
>But to say that Kieslowski directed the greatest foreign film ever made is
>ridiculous! "Red" was alright, but geeze! How about films by Jean Renoir
>(France), Fritz Lang (Ger-US), Federico Fellini (Italy), Ingmar Bergman
>(Sweden), Akira Kurosawa (Japan), Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy), Robert
>Bresson (France), Saytajit Ray (India), Kenji Mizoguchi (Japan), Luis
>Bunuel (Spain, Mexico, France), Jean Vigo (France), Werner Herzog
>(Germany), Yasukiro Oju (Japan), Lina Wertmuller (Italy), Jean-Luc Godard
>(France), Sergei Eisenstein (USSR), Jean Cocteau (France), Max Ophuls
>(Ger, Fr, US), Carl Dreyer (Denmark), Francois Truffaut (France), Kon
>Ichikawa (Japan) or Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR), to pick a few.
>
>Look for these directors' films in your video store, and watch your world
>open like an oyster.
>
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"It is generally agreed that Bernardo Bertolucci and Ken Loach are
the greatest directors currently making movies. By using a scene by
scene analysis of "Kes" and "Sheltering Sky" establish which of these
two is truly the greatest working director"
Needless to say Bertolucci almost always wins; the Loach team run out
of scenes long before the Bertoluccis pass the mid section of their
offering.
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Pedro Sena <a...@accces.com> wrote in article
<6hv64t$pnj$1...@news.us.world.net>...
> > The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Breathless,
> > Shoot the Piano Player, The Seventh Seal, L'Avventura,
> > Aguirre: The Wrath of God
>
>
> Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before
I
> would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its
time.
> Godard's film is good, although I prefer his earlier period, as more off
the
> wall.
As Alex Crouvier has already pointed out Breathless is essentially Godard's
earliest period, but I would also like to question your selection of Los
Olvidados. It's a great movie, and judged on it's own merits it's a fair
item to include on a list of best films. By why is it MORE appropriate
than The Discrete Charm of the Bourgeoisie?
If we use your apparent criterion, "ahead of its time," I wonder why you
select one of Bunuel's most conventional narrative films and neglect to
mention his first film, "Un Chien Andalou," which is among his most surreal
works, widely regarded as a groundbreaking film, which was produced 21
years earlier.
Johnny Yen
In article <01bd71de$50bec580$e93b...@gravedig.tiac.net>,
ada...@worldnet.att.net says...
than " El gran casino " or " Una mujer sin amor " which are hardly
distinguishable as distinct Buñuel films, being rather typical Mexican films
of the day ? Or " Susana " ? Somehow I think that you do not know much about
Buñuel's career, that he had to make many routine films in order to make
those he wanted to.
Paul J. Adams
Johnny Yen <beat...@mailcity.com> wrote in article
<6i29hf$f...@ecuador.earthlink.net>...
> " Los Olvidados " one of Buñuel's most conventional films ? More
conventional
> than " El gran casino " or " Una mujer sin amor " which are hardly
> distinguishable as distinct Buñuel films, being rather typical Mexican
films
> of the day ? Or " Susana " ? Somehow I think that you do not know much
about
> Buñuel's career, that he had to make many routine films in order to make
> those he wanted to.
Okay, would it be more fair for me to say "most conventional of those
mentioned so far?" More conventional than Un Chien Andalou, The Discrete
Charm of The Bourgeoisie, Exterminating Angel, etc.?
You say I don't know much about Bunuel's career. You're right. I only
know what I could take away from watching eight of his films. I know
enough to recognize that Un Chien Andalou is a less conventional film than
Los Olvidados, and that it was made 21 years earlier. I know enough to
raise the question "why is Los Olvidados 'WAAYAY ahead of its time' in a
way that The Discrete Charm of The Bourgeoisie is not?"
I'm not setting myself up as the ultimate authority on Bunuel. But since
you seem to be comfortable in that role, perhaps you can clarify: what is
there to recommend Los Olvidados over Un Chien Andalou and Discrete Charm
of The Bourgeoisie in terms of quality or innovation?
Or did you just pop in to point out the ignorance of my statement that "Los
Olvidados is one of Bunuel's most conventional films?" If that's the case,
then I apologize for my hyperbole. Los Olvidados is simply more
conventional than either Un Chien Andalou or The Discrete Charm of the
Bourgeoisie, which are the two films that I used as a point of reference.
P.S. Although I believe this should be obvious, I'll spell it out
explicitly so as to avoid any misinterpretation: I thought Los Olvidados
was an excellent film, and I'm not criticizing it in a negative sense by
describing it as "more conventional." Defying convention is not something
to be blindly worshipped, nor is it something to look on with disdain.
Tony Rigby
In article <354458...@geocities.com>, Alex Crouvier
<troj...@geocities.com> writes
>Well, at least, UNFORGIVEN is politically commited film.
This is supposed to be a good thing?
Bye... T.
--
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Edmonton, London, England
Michael Brooke
Alex Crouvier <troj...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> Just because
> your Film textbook says it is one of the most essential films ever made
> in the history of cinema doesn't warrant that kind of fan-boy adoration.
What a totally idiotic comment. I've never taken a film studies course
or read a film textbook in my entire life - and I watch films like
Bunuel's more than once because I personally choose to do it for
pleasure, not because some film theorist thinks I should.
If you don't think 'Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie' is compelling,
fair enough - but I do, and so do many other people.
Chuck Vollers
"Pedro Sena" <a...@accces.com> wrote:
>Hey ... a compadre.... I might like to use Bunuel's Los Olvidados before I
>would "Charm" as when it was made it really was WAYYAYYY ahead of its time.
"Los Olvidados" was intended to be a Mexican response to neo-realism.
Bunuel got to put in a few surrealist touches and the whole film is
saturated with his unsentimental outlook, but the film's roots in
neo-realism prevent me from seeing it as being that far ahead of its
time.
Chuck
Mark.J.Desocio
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Brian wrote:
> Mark.J.Desocio wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Pedro Sena wrote:
> >
> > > Gordo wrote in message <353FD9...@sno.net>...
> > > >> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
> > > >> Foreign - Red
> >
> > But to say that Kieslowski directed the greatest foreign film ever made is
> > ridiculous! "Red" was alright, but geeze! How about films by Jean Renoir
> > (France), Fritz Lang (Ger-US), Federico Fellini (Italy), Ingmar Bergman
> > (Sweden), Akira Kurosawa (Japan), Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy), Robert
> > Bresson (France), Saytajit Ray (India), Kenji Mizoguchi (Japan), Luis
> > Bunuel (Spain, Mexico, France), Jean Vigo (France), Werner Herzog
> > (Germany), Yasukiro Oju (Japan), Lina Wertmuller (Italy), Jean-Luc Godard
> > (France), Sergei Eisenstein (USSR), Jean Cocteau (France), Max Ophuls
> > (Ger, Fr, US), Carl Dreyer (Denmark), Francois Truffaut (France), Kon
> > Ichikawa (Japan) or Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR), to pick a few.
> >
> > Look for these directors' films in your video store, and watch your world
> > open like an oyster.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Didn't actually say that RED was the greatest foreign film ever - just a
> recommendation for an evenings viewing.I will say though that it is a
> lot more accessible and enjoyable to most people than many of the films
> of the directors you cite. That listing was just your typical
> masturbatory regurgatation of what a film student feels necessary to
> express his intellect and superiority in cinema.
Two things: I'm not a film student (I just love films and other forms of
artistic expression), and some people (myself included) actually ENJOY
those films which you believe to be high art or inexcessible to the herd -
believe it or not, there are actual REASONS why they're thought so higly
of!
AND, FURTHERMOR, your listing of "Red" is not so unique; it reflects the
mentality of the person who has only seen one or two foreign-language
films in his life. It's like these people who think the greatest film ever
made is something ridiculous like "The Shawshank Redemption" or "Pulp
Fiction," just because it was their one exposure to a quality work
(however minor, as in the case with "Shawshank"), which they stumbled onto
accidentally anyway.
Michael
Kris
Brian wrote:
> Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
>
> War - Pork Chop Hill
Full Metal Jacket
> Action - John Woo's The Killer
Raiders of the Lost Ark
> Comedy - Sullivans Travels (my latest favorite)
Dr. Strangelove . . .
> Drama - Taxi Driver
A Clockwork Orange. Taxi Driver comes in a *very* close second though.
> Film Noir - Murder My Sweet
LA Confidential. However I rented Chinatown tonight so my choice may soon
change.
> Sci Fi - The Man who Fell to Earth
2001: A Space Oddysey
> Western - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Blazing Saddles
> Horror- Hammer's Brides of Dracula
The Shining
> Foreign - Red
The Seventh Seal
--
-Kris
"These men have taken an oath of celibacy, as did their fathers and their
fathers before
them."
-Hot Shots Part Deux
You don't answer my call
With even a nod or a twitch
But you gaze at your own reflection!
You don't seem to see me
But I think you can see yourself.
How can the mirror affect you?
-The Who "Smash the Mirror"
Alex Crouvier
Johnny Yen wrote:
>
> In article <01bd71de$50bec580$e93b...@gravedig.tiac.net>,
> ada...@worldnet.att.net says...
> >If we use your apparent criterion, "ahead of its time," I wonder why you
> >select one of Bunuel's most conventional narrative films and neglect to
> >mention his first film, "Un Chien Andalou," which is among his most surreal
> >works, widely regarded as a groundbreaking film, which was produced 21
> >years earlier.
> >
> " Los Olvidados " one of Buñuel's most conventional films ? More conventional
> than " El gran casino " or " Una mujer sin amor " which are hardly
> distinguishable as distinct Buñuel films, being rather typical Mexican films
> of the day ? Or " Susana " ? Somehow I think that you do not know much about
> Buñuel's career, that he had to make many routine films in order to make
> those he wanted to.
Previous poster said: "...one of the most conventional..." looks like
you are as eager to jimp in and unleash your stupendous knowledge in
foreign cinema on unsuspecting masses. Well, boy, aren't we glad to have
you here.
Alex Crouvier
Michael Brooke wrote:
>
> Alex Crouvier <troj...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Just because
> > your Film textbook says it is one of the most essential films ever made
> > in the history of cinema doesn't warrant that kind of fan-boy adoration.
> I've never taken a film studies course
> or read a film textbook in my entire life - and I watch films like
> Bunuel's more than once because I personally choose to do it for
> pleasure, not because some film theorist thinks I should.
Oohh, reaalllyy?
Paul J. Adams
Mark.J.Desocio <deso...@bama.ua.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.GSO.3.96.980427...@bama.ua.edu>...
> Two things: I'm not a film student (I just love films and other forms of
> artistic expression), and some people (myself included) actually ENJOY
> those films which you believe to be high art or inexcessible to the herd
-
> believe it or not, there are actual REASONS why they're thought so higly
> of!
>
> AND, FURTHERMOR, your listing of "Red" is not so unique; it reflects the
> mentality of the person who has only seen one or two foreign-language
> films in his life. It's like these people who think the greatest film
ever
> made is something ridiculous like "The Shawshank Redemption" or "Pulp
> Fiction," just because it was their one exposure to a quality work
> (however minor, as in the case with "Shawshank"), which they stumbled
onto
> accidentally anyway.
While I agree with your statements "...some people (myself included)
actually ENJOY those films..." and "...there are actual REASONS why they're
thought so highly of," your overall approach does not serve us Kurosawa
fans well. You confirm the common view that there are film snobs out there
who spout off lists of foreign directors from the film school canon, and
look down on others for their low-brow opinions.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. When I was a teen, and my
English teacher confronted me about my interest in science fiction books,
telling me I should grow up and read something more mature, I didn't see it
as an attempt to open my mind (as it was intended). Rather, I saw it as
proof that the teacher was close minded. The fact is, you can never
communicate with anyone effectively if you tell them that all of their
interests, which they may be quite passionate about, are invalid.
Of course, it's great to encourage people to see Bergman and Godard films,
but you can never be certain that the fan of "Red" hasn't already explored
thousands of films, foreign and domestic. If your assumption that the
poster has not seen many foreign films is correct, however, then he is not
likely to be encouraged to do so when you tell him that his choice
Michael Brooke
Alex Crouvier <troj...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> Previous poster said: "...one of the most conventional..." looks like
> you are as eager to jimp in and unleash your stupendous knowledge in
> foreign cinema on unsuspecting masses. Well, boy, aren't we glad to have
> you here.
Going from this and other postings, is anyone else glad to have *you*
here?
In ten postings you've made in alt.cult-movies over the past week, half
of them refer contemptuously to "lecture notes", "Film 101 textbooks",
"overenthusiastic first year film students" and the like.
You obviously have a problem with film students or film studies in
general - but why do you think it's at all relevant in a newsgroup
populated by people who genuinely *like* these films?
roman
The 10 best films of all time
1-The Shawnshank Redemption
2-Raiders of the lost ark
3-L.A. Confidential
4-Schindler's List
5-Pulp Fiction
6-Grand Canyon
7-Heat
8-Godfather part2
9-Dead poets society
10-Witness
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RED
Michael Brooke wrote:
>
> Alex Crouvier <troj...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Previous poster said: "...one of the most conventional..." looks like
> > you are as eager to jimp in and unleash your stupendous knowledge in
> > foreign cinema on unsuspecting masses. Well, boy, aren't we glad to have
> > you here.
>
> Going from this and other postings, is anyone else glad to have *you*
> here?
>
> In ten postings you've made in alt.cult-movies over the past week, half
> of them refer contemptuously to "lecture notes", "Film 101 textbooks",
> "overenthusiastic first year film students" and the like.
>
> You obviously have a problem with film students or film studies in
> general - but why do you think it's at all relevant in a newsgroup
> populated by people who genuinely *like* these films?
>
> Michael
>
twice a week and ridicule those whose ideas and opinions are not up to
his supposedly ethereal level of sophistication. He's like Mikey--He
hates everything. You should have seen his intemperate trashing of J.
Nicholson and Sean Connery. Connery because he came from a poor, rough
background and Nicholson--well I'm not sure, but I think it was mostly
that he was an American. He doesn't approve of anyone or anything that
isn't pointedly critical of the country and its people.
He could be excused if he ever stuck his neck out far enough to list
what HE thinks are the best movies or the best actors, or anything else,
but all he seems to want to do is to ridicule the opinions of others
without offering anything himself.
I doubt that he will see this because I think he put me on his kill file
after an interchange in which I contined to offer reasoned, rational
arguments on a subject rather than getting mad and calling him names. He
loves this kind of response because it reinforces his belief in his vast
superiority.
Michael Gottuso
THE ENGLISH PATIENT
Philipp Lenssen
Michael Brooke wrote:
>
> Alex Crouvier <troj...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Previous poster said: "...one of the most conventional..." looks like
> > you are as eager to jimp in and unleash your stupendous knowledge in
> > foreign cinema on unsuspecting masses. Well, boy, aren't we glad to have
> > you here.
>
> Going from this and other postings, is anyone else glad to have *you*
> here?
>
> In ten postings you've made in alt.cult-movies over the past week, half
> of them refer contemptuously to "lecture notes", "Film 101 textbooks",
> "overenthusiastic first year film students" and the like.
>
> You obviously have a problem with film students or film studies in
> general - but why do you think it's at all relevant in a newsgroup
> populated by people who genuinely *like* these films?
>
> Michael
This discussion (?) is crossposted and not limited to alt.cult-movies.
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Antidisestablishmentarianism wrote in message
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:Hopscotch with Walter Matthau
Daniel R. Baker
DWB wrote:
> Gordo wrote:
> >
> > > Or how about one film from each of the different film genres. Such as:
Okay, here goes:
War: GLORY
Action/Adventure: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
Suspense/Mystery: THE MALTESE FALCON
Western: THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE*
Drama: CASABLANCA
Comedy: MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
Musical: FIDDLER ON THE ROOF
Horror: Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN
Sci-Fi: STAR WARS
Romance: CYRANO DE BERGERAC (1950).
Respectfully,
Daniel R. Baker.
(Disclaimers ad nauseam).
* My definition of "western" is "set mostly in the continent of North
America west of the Mississippi River between the Louisiana Purchase and the
outbreak of World War I." If you demand that "westerns" be set in the United
States, then my choice is DANCES WITH WOLVES.
RED
Johnny Yen wrote:
>
> " Los Olvidados " one of Buñuel's most conventional films ? More conventional
> than " El gran casino " or " Una mujer sin amor " which are hardly
> distinguishable as distinct Buñuel films, being rather typical Mexican films
> of the day ? Or " Susana " ? Somehow I think that you do not know much about
> Buñuel's career, that he had to make many routine films in order to make
> those he wanted to.
Presto! You have just been Alex Crouvier'd. This means you must be doing
something right.
Pedro Sena
Paul J. Adams wrote in message
<01bd71de$50bec580$e93b...@gravedig.tiac.net>...
>As Alex Crouvier has already pointed out Breathless is essentially Godard's
>earliest period, but I would also like to question your selection of Los
>Olvidados. It's a great movie, and judged on it's own merits it's a fair
>item to include on a list of best films. By why is it MORE appropriate
Actually, on second thought, I think I agree. I happen to like "Charm" a
lot, and in many ways I prefer it, as the psychic stuff in people's heads is
great, and the film keeps going from one head to another. the lunacy of it,
is what I really enjoy, even though it is not a particularly funny film, it
is by far a trememdous design, and written perfectly.
Okkk, we can open the curtains now, that dinner is served...
>If we use your apparent criterion, "ahead of its time," I wonder why you
>select one of Bunuel's most conventional narrative films and neglect to
>mention his first film, "Un Chien Andalou," which is among his most surreal
>works, widely regarded as a groundbreaking film, which was produced 21
>years earlier.
I like "Chien" a lot. But as a film, it really is a complete surrealist
exercise, that has no story. Just sequenced images that work together well,
and shock the viewer. As such, it was perfect for a medium that was becoming
overly enchanted with its imagery, which Andre Bretton commented on many
times. But in terms of "film" as a film is generally defined, while I enjoy
the "insanity" of it ( and I am into dreams and do Tarot stuff and dream
analysis on the net ), it really does not have the psychic KICK ( as I call
it ) that "Olvidados", or "Charm" do, whcih I much prefer.... but you know
what films of his I really like? ... His Crusoe is excellent, and really
true to the spirit of the book, and I like EL, and that particular period,
even if it is very hard to understand and work with. I just about rate EL
this secret passion ) as one of my favorites of his. Nazarin, is fabulous,
as is Simon of the Desert even with its throw away ending ( sort of ). And I
can never forget Viridiana, and its awesome images, specially the last
supper bit, which I have to stop the video everytime I see it because I
laugh so hard.
Pedro Sena
>conventional
>> than " El gran casino " or " Una mujer sin amor " which are hardly
>> distinguishable as distinct Buñuel films, being rather typical Mexican
>films
>> of the day ? Or " Susana " ?
EL GRAN CALAVERA was great fun to watch, and clever.... I would love to find
the others as well, around that time.
BTW, Luis would have loved this discussion about "ahead of its time", and
would have definitely made fun of it.... don't let Jean Claude Carriere get
a hold of this idea, or we will have to live it down....
John. A. W. Smith
Why the fuck do you think this information should be posted to 10 news
groups at once? Course I could be wrong, you may be the next incarnation
of Jesus.
John
judy
John sayles movies
Christoph Unterberger wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm planning an watching-movie-session with some of my friends.
> So I'd like to know what YOU think which are the best movies ever.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Warum in der Vergangenheit herumwurschteln,
> wenn man die Zukunft in der Hand hat?
> [DJ Demon Flowers]
>
> ciaociao <christoph....@styria.com>
Housecat
judy wrote in message <3548F418...@newhorizonsrtp.com>...
Can't miss with Ben-Hur (most Oscars ever)
Gone With the Wind
Scarface
Vertigo
Psycho
Cleopatra (not really true to life, but entertaining and VERY long)
Somewhere In Time
Dead Ringer (Bette Davis)
That will do for a start.
Brian
Thanks for saying that a thousand times better than I could !. It was
the superior pedantic attitude of the poster in his initial posting that
prompted a somewhat curmudgeon response from me.It was so clear that he
was far more interested in exhibiting his "superior knowledge" of
"serious" films than in actually being helpful.I have actually seen
films from all of the directors he mentioned - some of their films are
great (most of Kurosawa's to be sure), but others are enormously
pretentious or ponderously difficult to watch.And I will stick to my
original statement that the vast majority of the films of the directors
he mentions are not very accessible to todays audience and in fact most
of them never were exactly popular even to the audiences of their own
time and country. Obviously, this doesn't mean they are not great
directors. I will however put Kieslowski's Color Trilogy up against the
works of many of these other directors even if it was (gasp!!) popular
with the common movie goers - you know those idiots who "stumbled upon"
& liked Pulp Fiction & The Shawshank Redemption .
Brian