Andrews Portrayal
Ian Phillpott
I am a British Student who is researching the portrayal of Thomas
Andrews in the film Titanic. I would be very interested to know
what you guys think of this portrayal, especially with reference
to the techniques used by Cameron (script, lighting, sound,
costume etc.). If you want to help me out here and make an
educated comment, could you please EMail me with your opinion.
What do you think is the most striking scene with Thomas Andrews.
Please address me as Steve, ignoring this stupid sig which I
somehow can't delete. Still, that's probably what comes of being
a Compuserve member (LOL).
Cheers guys,
Steve Phillpott
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Ian P
Chewbeanie
Andrews. The similiarity is quite uncanny. Also, many of the scenes including
Andrews were true--- as far as we know. The scene with Andrews saying "in an
hour or so, all this will be at the bottom of the Atlantic" is real...as well
as MANY others. The scene with Andrews that struck me the most is when he is
standing at the mantel, fixing the clock. This scene is "true" according to a
witness that was there. The clock part may not be true, but that fits with
Andrews' character.
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>Andrews. The similiarity is quite uncanny.>>
Yes, Cameron certainly went to great pains to insure that the actors he chose
for the designated roles fit the physical description to a T. Kathy Bates bears
a striking resemblance to Molly Brown, as well as Eric Braeden to J.J. Astor
and Bernard Hill to Captain Smith. Just another remarkable notet in the
conformity to detail that went into making this extraordinary film.
Rain falls angry on the tin roof, as we lie awake in my bed. You're my
survival; you're my living proof, my love is alive and not dead. Tell me that
we belong together, dress it up with the trappings of love...
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
> I am a British Student who is researching the portrayal of Thomas
> Andrews in the film Titanic. I would be very interested to know
> what you guys think of this portrayal, especially with reference
> to the techniques used by Cameron (script, lighting, sound,
> costume etc.).
>From my (limited) knowledge of the man, the portrayal in the film
seemed to quite accurate, although there were some things that
were made up, specifically the scene where he berates an officer
for not filling the lifeboats -- that fictional exchange was written
in to highlight the (true) fact that most of the boats left the
ship far below rated capacity.
> What do you think is the most striking scene with Thomas Andrews.
The best scene, by far, is near the end, where Andrews is alone in
the First Class Smoking Room. That is, in fact, where he was last
seen, staring up at the painting over the fireplace. For me, the
defining gesture is when he adjusts the clock on the mantle --
wanting to get things "just so," even to the end.
You might want to get a copy of the 1958 film "A Night to Remember"
and compare Victor Garber's portrayal with that of Michael Goodliffe
in the older movie.
ANTR trivia: Two years after "A Night to Remember," Michael Goodliffe
(Andrews) appeared in another sea epic, "Sink the Bismarck!," along with
Kenneth More who'd played Second Officer Lightoller. Actually, "Sink
the Bismark!" was something of a reunion for ANTR's Titanic
officers, since Laurence Naismith (Captain Smith) and Jack Watling
(Fourth Officer Boxhall) also appeared in the WWII dramatization.
Even more odd: "Sink the Bismarck!" was written by the novelist
C. S. Forester; Michael Goodliffe played a small role in the (rather
bad, IMHO) dramatization of Forester's Hornblower novels, "Captain
Horatio Hornblower."
Ain't the IMDB grand?
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>
> Hey guys,
>
> I am a British Student who is researching the portrayal of Thomas
> Andrews in the film Titanic. I would be very interested to know
> what you guys think of this portrayal, especially with reference
> to the techniques used by Cameron (script, lighting, sound,
> educated comment, could you please EMail me with your opinion.
>
> somehow can't delete. Still, that's probably what comes of being
> a Compuserve member (LOL).
>
> Cheers guys,
>
> Steve Phillpott
>
> --
> Ian P
Actually I believe that the man who played Thomas Andrews in A NIGHT TO
REMEMBER looked more like the real man than did Victor Garbo. However,
I think Mr. Garbo did a much better job of playing Mr. Andrews. He
showed such intense sensitivity and compassion in mpst of the scenes he
was in, if not all of them. My favorite scene was the one in which Rose
was saying goodbye to him for the last time. As Jack was going through
the revolving doors the look on Mr. Andrews' face was so heartbreaking.
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I've studied Andrews for about 5 years now, and IMHO, the way Thomas
Andrews is portrayed in the movie is nearly perfect. The way Cameron wrote
him and Victor Garber portrayed him is almost exactly what Andrews was
like--friendly, kind, and caring towards everyone (like in the hallway
with the stewardess--he asks her to put her lifebelt on, just as he would a
first-class passenger) and though some of the things Cameron had him do are
wrong (unfortunately, Andrews never mentioned the fact that the lifeboats
could be filled to capacity to teh officers) he way he was played is just
like Andrews. The only thing I might be a little miffed over is the fact
that some people got out of the movie that Andrews had a crush on Rose--a
quick mention that he had a wife and daughter would probably have dispelled
that! In my opinion, he was just being as friendly to her as he would
anyone else. He way he treated Jack is also typical of Andrews--whether a
riveter at the yard, a crew member or the richest man in the world, Andrews
treated everyone the same.
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the rest!) Jack Thayer
Chewbeanie
Um, his name is Victor GARBER
Rod Stringer
>
> Ian Phillpott wrote:
>
> > I am a British Student who is researching the portrayal of Thomas
> > Andrews in the film Titanic. I would be very interested to know
> > what you guys think of this portrayal, especially with reference
> > to the techniques used by Cameron (script, lighting, sound,
> > costume etc.).
>
> seemed to quite accurate, although there were some things that
> were made up, specifically the scene where he berates an officer
> for not filling the lifeboats -- that fictional exchange was written
> in to highlight the (true) fact that most of the boats left the
> ship far below rated capacity.
>
>
> the First Class Smoking Room. That is, in fact, where he was last
> seen, staring up at the painting over the fireplace. For me, the
> defining gesture is when he adjusts the clock on the mantle --
> wanting to get things "just so," even to the end.
>
> You might want to get a copy of the 1958 film "A Night to Remember"
> and compare Victor Garber's portrayal with that of Michael Goodliffe
> in the older movie.
>
> ANTR trivia: Two years after "A Night to Remember," Michael Goodliffe
> (Andrews) appeared in another sea epic, "Sink the Bismarck!," along with
> Kenneth More who'd played Second Officer Lightoller. Actually, "Sink
> the Bismark!" was something of a reunion for ANTR's Titanic
> officers, since Laurence Naismith (Captain Smith) and Jack Watling
> (Fourth Officer Boxhall) also appeared in the WWII dramatization.
>
> Even more odd: "Sink the Bismarck!" was written by the novelist
> C. S. Forester; Michael Goodliffe played a small role in the (rather
> bad, IMHO) dramatization of Forester's Hornblower novels, "Captain
> Horatio Hornblower."
>
> Ain't the IMDB grand?
on the banks of the Mersey, Michael Goodliffe was educated at
Merton College Oxford, but returned to Liverpool to make his
debut at the Liverpool Playhouse(Britain's oldest repertory
theatre). In 1976, stricken with terminal cancer, he committed
suicide by leaping from a hospital window......
Rod
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Pcsgirl
playing that role. From everything that I've read regarding the actual
sinking, the character Andrews in the movie seemed to fit the bill. I never
got the impression that Andrews had a crush on Rose. I think that he found her
feisty and interesting, but no, not as a love interest. I found of particular
interest the scene right after the impact, when Andrews and Smith, etc were
studying the blueprints of the ship, and Andrews realizes the ship is doomed.
The look on his face is so pained and sad. And of course the scene at the
clock in the moments before the sinking has a special significance to all who
watched the movie. Personally, I didn't see that strong of a resemblance
between the actor and the actual Mr. Andrews, but who cares? The guy did a
great job, and Cameron obviously did his homework on Thomas Andrews! He was
definitely one of my favorite characters in the movie.
DscveryBay
>> and compare Victor Garber's portrayal with that of Michael Goodliffe
>> in the older movie.
I didn't care for Goodcliffe's "freaking out" in ANTR. Garber's restrained
tragedy is perfect for the character.
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Andrew and Rebecca Hall
> I didn't care for Goodcliffe's "freaking out" in ANTR.
Are we talking about the same movie?
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DscveryBay
>
>Are we talking about the same movie?
Yeah, we are. A Night To Remember. He looked like he was panicking, freaking
out, not the calm acceptance of Garber's portrayal.
Andrew, may I respectfully suggest that instead of tossing what appear (I hope
I am mistaken) cheap shots at me, rebut what it is I say that you disagree
with.
Thanks
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
> Yeah, we are. A Night To Remember. He looked like he was
> panicking, freaking out, not the calm acceptance of Garber's
> portrayal.
> Andrew, may I respectfully suggest that instead of tossing what
> appear (I hope I am mistaken) cheap shots at me, rebut what it
> is I say that you disagree with.
You are mistaken -- it wasn't a cheap shot at you at all, and shouldn't
be taken as such. But I know that movie backwards and forwards, and
cannot remember anything his character does or says that could be
construed as "panicking, freaking out." It's a little difficult
to rebut your position when I honestly am not sure what you're
seeing that I don't. Maybe if you could identify specific scenes or
dialogue?
Don't take honest disagreement so personally, OK?
With respect,
lynn paden
attention more than the other minor characters. Someone mentioned that
there was a scene where he berated an officer over the emptiness of some
of the lifeboats. (probably refering to the duff gordon boat)
now, i read in several books that there was no boat drill, and some of
the officers were not use to handling the ropes, but i was shocked when
they picked lightoller to be the one to yell at, of all people. but, of
course, i hold a high opinion of him, after seeing NTR and reading about
him in other books.
i am so glad to find this NG. i have been a fan of titanic since
childhood, and definately loved the movie.
Countess
ANTR it's to see the Andrews scenes, and I've never seen him freaking
out--at least I've never interpreted it that way.
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
> I thought Thomas Andrews in the movie was wonderful, and he held my
> attention more than the other minor characters. Someone mentioned that
> there was a scene where he berated an officer over the emptiness of some
> of the lifeboats. (probably refering to the duff gordon boat)
Yes, the boat he was referring to -- 12 in a boat made for 40 --
was indeed the Duff Gordon's boat. But that exchange never happened;
almost certainly Cameron wrote it into the screenplay in order to
make the point that most boats left the ship with far less than their
designed load.
Ronnie Clark
Lightoller. He is often seen doing things other officers did, etc. Plus, he
took "women and children first" as "women and children ONLY" Plus,
practically none of the boats Lightoller loaded were filled, most only half
filled. But I too find it odd that when this fictional event was included,
they chose to do it about Lightoller! But then again, maybe doing it about
Murdoch, since they have the poor chap kill himself anyway, would have been
a bit unfair! (I can hear the Dalbeattie cries ringing in my ear now....)
Cheers, Ronnie
Chewbeanie
>was indeed the Duff Gordon's boat. But that exchange never happened;
>almost certainly Cameron wrote it into the screenplay in order to
>make the point that most boats left the ship with far less than their
>designed load.
In the "titanic explorer" It is said that this was wrote as a dramatic effect,
not to be assumed as fact. James Cameron said that he could easily have seen
Andrews yelling at Lightroller, and wrote it in. BTW--Does anyone know who
James Cameron admires most from the Ship??? I would love to know.
PEPSIgal
If indeed he had the wife and child, she probably 'reminded' him of the
child he had at home and how he would want her to know the facts also.
Just my opinion of course.
PEPSIgal
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treated her like a child and it was based on her innocence that he felt he
had to explain all the facts to her.
Gail Smith
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