State of newsgroup - Say hi!
Andrew Clarkson
is in its final throes. Is there still a great amount of people watching it,
like me, but not participating?
Say hello if you can hear me..........
Andrew Clarkson
KimNB
pretty tight group. I've seen a lot of interesting posts and look forward to
more.
TheFrankMan
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> Only fifteen messages on this newsgroup at the moment, I wonder if the
group
> is in its final throes. Is there still a great amount of people watching
it,
> like me, but not participating?
>
> Say hello if you can hear me..........
In the words of 5th Office Lowe, "Could anyone hear me?! Is anyone alive
out there?!" I've been checking the NG several times daily, and I've been
tempted to post something - anything - just to give the illusion of signs of
life! :) Maybe the inactivity is just the distractions of summer, perhaps
now behind us...
Maybe everyone can post a question they've always thought about, but never
asked, or tell of very subtle and easy-to-miss aspects of scenes they
enjoyed, that most people probably never noticed. My favorite example of
the latter occurs shortly after Rose discovers that Jack is an artist, when
they're standing at the rail, and Jack is telling Rose about having worked
on a squid-boat, etc. At that moment, off in the distance, a sea-gull flies
from left to right, appearing to go directly from Jack's lips to Rose's,
symbolic (to me) of his words and thoughts having "reached" and "touched"
her, almost as if blowing a mental kiss. I've often wondered if this scene
was Cameron's intent, or just my over-active imagination.
Your favorites?
Cheers,
The FrankMan
Corey Ann Doyle
I am getting married this month (the 16th to be exact) so I have been quite
busy!!!!!!!!!
Still loving Titanic!
Corey Ann
Chewb...@aol.com
Collide With Destiny http://www.coreyann.com/titanic
Kate http://www.coreyann.com/kate
"His ideas about the male preoccupation with size might be of particular
interest to you..."~Rose
moos...@my-deja.com
Hmmm, never noticed that. Interesting observation. As for something
that I noticed in the movie (or seriously over-read? :), the guy in the
upper right hand of the screen during the finale on the grand staircase
has his arms wrapped around the wooden pillar. I thought that maybe
he's trying to give an emotional touch to this beautiful and very
formal event.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jenn
"TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > In the words of 5th Office Lowe, "Could anyone hear me?! Is anyone
alive
> out there?!" I've been checking the NG several times daily, and I've
been
> tempted to post something - anything - just to give the illusion of signs
of
> life! :) Maybe the inactivity is just the distractions of summer,
perhaps
> now behind us...
>
>
> I would just like to comment how very much I enjoy reading your comments
and questions it is so nice to have someone so positive and cheerful on this
ng and the other Titanic ng. Especially the other ng, it can be a little
catty at times!
> I really enjoy everything Titanic I am trying to talk my husband into
taking me to the exibit in Chicago, but we already have our vacation planned
to go to the Bahamas in December, so my chances are not too good! Any one
else been to the exibit? I really do not agree with the taking of the
artifacts from the ship, but since the damage has been done I would like to
see what they have brought up. I hope this ng doesn't die out! I guess we
will have to post more often!
TheFrankMan
> I would just like to comment how very much I enjoy
Thanks! Now if I could only find some way to make a nice big-buck living
surfing Titanic NG's...
> the other ng, it can be a little catty at times!
A little catty? A little catty? That's somewhat like saying that Roger
Ebert has retained a bit of baby-fat... or that Dolly Parton might have a
slight edge over me in a wet t-shirt contest... or that Al Gore and George
W. might both be in need of a charisma coach... A little catty? I like to
think of it as the only NG in which many an email can be aptly described as
a scratching-post... (I often envision some of its members are in a
slap-fight, pulling each others' hair...)
> I really enjoy everything Titanic I am trying to talk my husband into
> taking me to the exibit in Chicago, but we already have our vacation
planned
> to go to the Bahamas in December
Okay, here's the plan. Remind him how beautiful the Bahamas are, and
that - once he's been there - he'll be spoiled for anything else, which will
make him totally annoying to everyone, including you, which can have its own
obvious drawbacks in his life. BUT, if you take him first to Chicago, and
promise to take him through the parts of town where Bad, Bad Leroy Brown
lived, he'll appreciate and enjoy the Bahamas ten times more, and you'll be
so appreciative of his great attitude that *he'll* send me a thank-you
email!
> so my chances are not too good!
Hey, c'mon, c'mon, that's no way to think! That's like somebody saying
even if we light those last four boilers, we'll never make it to New York in
record-time, and... Okay, bad example. But you get the idea.
(I myself was also going to be an optimist once, but I figured what the
hell, it'll never work out...)
> Any one else been to the exibit?
There's a recent thread on the other NG about it. (But be sure to bring a
litter-box and a little squeaky rubber mouse when you log on...)
> I hope this ng doesn't die out! I guess we will have to post more often!
An appropriate remedy, I daresay. Reminds me of an old W. C. Fields
movie, where Fields meets a man on a train who is moaning about how terribly
he suffers from insomnia. Fields comments, "Ah, yessss... Well, get plenty
of sleep, that's the best thing for it, yesss..." :)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
>
>
Jenn <stauffe...@netins.net> wrote in message
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Ronnie Clark
>
>I am getting married this month (the 16th to be exact) so I have been quite
>busy!!!!!!!!!
Poor guy....
Sorry, that was evil! >:)
Ronnie
--
http://listen.to/beatles_rarities - updated August 2000
http://travel.to/tauron_keep - updated September 2000
Corey Ann Doyle
>else been to the exibit?
Isn't it gone by now? (The one in Chicago anyway?) There is one in Atlantic
City the last I heard.
I was there. It was interesting but not nearly as exciting as I thought it
would be... I thought there was going to be more artifacts. If it wasn't for
Don Lynch touring with us I doubt I would have enjoyed it half as much.
Touching a piece of the Titanic was about the only cool thing...besides the
iceberg...
>but we already have our vacation planned
>to go to the Bahamas in December
If you are driving stop by Orlando on the way and see the Orlando exhibit.
Corey Ann Doyle
Where is this "other" NG at?
Corey Ann Doyle
>Sorry, that was evil! >:)
ow...
TheFrankMan
First and formost, best wishes on the whole wedding thing! Don't forget
to carry a laptop with you to continue emailing us. :)
Re the Chicago Titanic exhibit:
> > There's a recent thread on the other NG about it.
>
> Where is this "other" NG at?
Sorry! It's alt.history.ocean-liners.titanic - and it is *not* the place
to discuss Cameron's movie. :)
Re Jenn's and mine's playful commentary, this other NG has always been
very kind and helpful to me, 100% of the time, re my various very technical
& historical questions. [I happen to be one of those techno-freaks who also
has many years of techie/engineering experience and who sees tons of beauty
in a well-designed technical gadget - especially if it stands 4 stories tall
(4 stories stall!!) as with Titanic's engines. (4 stories stall!!) ] That
other NG's members include some pretty big guns in the Titanic community,
internationally. And most are pretty decent folks - some are from England
and Ireland, even Belfast, whose grandfathers worked on Titanic - some
who've been captains of steamships for decades, and/or retired after
life-long maritime careers - all giving me detailed answers to techie &
historical questions - it's great!
BUT there's a certain vocal subset "clique" over there who seem to have
totally lost touch with the intellectual, philosophical and aesthetic beauty
& irony of the historical event and Cameron's state-of-the-art portrayal,
and who instead dig in their heels to trash each other and any outsider
who's not their personal political ally or who's not as enlightened as they
are. Pretty sad.
Again, everyone there has always been very kind, courteous and helpful to
me, in every way, 100% of the time But it's sad to observe that other
stuff, even at a distance - makes you wonder why people who are such classy
acts re their knowledge of Titanic would take such pains to portray
themselves to the world as 10th Graders in an endless, ongoing, unrelenting,
hair-pulling fist-fight. I must admit that, for a while, I had confused
this "inner circle's" intensity with authority and normality, and was
somewhat mindlessly carried along by the tide, until their darker side
became more and more evident.
Whenever I see this happening - especially among the people I had already
respected by their academic reputation - I'm reminded of a highly-respected
laser scientist I worked with in 1983. He was nationally reknowned, and
people were eager to meet him - until they did so, and found him to be
highly reminescent of the northern end of a south-bound horse. I always
wanted to ask him:
"What gives, Sparky?! Why does a guy as smart and classy as you make such
an incredible effort to convince the world you're an immature, rude,
condescending and obnoxious dweeb? *Why* do you do this to yourself?!
You'd gain far more respect from people whose respect is *worth* something
if you just kept quiet! And it's easier to do!"
I mean, think of that. What if these other NG's folks (and you and I)
could be whisked through time to visit someone we really respected, and
whose respect for us we'd value - maybe to sit at dinner during a voyage
with Capt. Smith and Thomas Andews. Really, imagine that! Put yourself
there! What would we say? How would we act? I don't know exactly, but I
doubt I'd be cursing and throwing silverware at some guy across the
dinner-table who had a different academic viewpoint than mine. Of course,
we can't travel in time. But these days, via NGs, we instantly transcend
space, to share in a global Titanic intellectual community. And the people
who see themselves at the Captain's Table are still cursing and throwing
silverware at each other... for all the world to see... Sheesh, guys! :)
:)
Of course, as in even the nicer real-world cities, intellectual
godfatherly dons and street-fighters will always hang out in the NG
neighborhood. That happens on a lot of NGs, and you can easily sail around
that. So, I've just focussed on the threads populated by the intelligent
and enjoyable people who intuitively comprehend the concept called
"cameraderie", like some of the folks on the other NG with whom I've also
chatted on our movie NG here - even (or especially?) the ones with whom I've
engaged in knock-down-drag-out-but-totally-enjoyable debates.
I know I've ranted about this next point before, but I guess what I
understand least is the unrelenting critics' endless trashing of Cameron's
movie (many of whom populate the other NG). If somebody doesn't like its
story or actors or acting or dialogue or historical/social slant or anything
else, fine. If somebody was hoping for more technical or historic detail or
accuracy, fine. To quote the famous British intellectual authority, Mick
Jagger, "You can't always get what you want." Caca happens. Deal with it.
Get on with your life. I'd like to make one solid statement that I hereby
publicly defy any critic on any NG to logically and/or factually dispute:
"Cameron's portrayal of Titanic is - by far - the most accurate, vivid,
thorough, realistic, and technically sophisticated commonly-available
stand-alone depiction that we have, in any language, in any form or medium,
anywhere on the planet. And it has done more than any previous work of any
kind to bring Titanic's story most enthusiastically to the largest number of
people worldwide, ever."
Anybody who wants to try to prove that statement wrong - right here in
front of the whole world - can step into the ring right now. :)
Sure, the film isn't perfect. I'm not saying it is. I'm not perfect.
You're not perfect. Nobody and nothing is perfect. But it IS the BEST we
have. If there's parts of the film that somebody doesn't enjoy, ignore
them; and enjoy the rest. Pretty simple. If you enjoy *nothing* at all
about the film, fine - then spend you precious time watching and talking
about a film you *do* like, which *does* provide what you had hoped Cameron
would provide but didn't. If there's no such film, make one yourself. If
you'd rather not, then give up watching films. But, *whatever* you do, do
the world a favor and quit your adolescent and spiteful whining about a cold
cruel world that just hasn't lived up to all your little hopes and dreams.
Sheesh yet again!! When I hear incessant cerebral complaints about the
film's technical accuracy, I see a scenario where Kate Winslet *and* Cindy
Crawford *and* Bernadette Peters all come over to my place with pizza and a
few bottles of champagne, as a bribe to convince me to be their suntan
inspector, and I reply "Ehhh, I don't know... you all usually wear pink
fingernail polish that's a couple shades darker than what I like, so the
deal's off...", and then I spend the rest of my life bitterly complaining
about how women always disappoint me. Some people make an entire career of
being hard or impossible to please, and just plain aren't happy unless
they're miserable - or trying to make everybody else as miserable as they
are...
(Excuse me while I take a few moments to re-establish the above
pizza/champagne/etc image... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Whew,
all right, we can move on now, I'll be okay...)
Anyhow, somewhere amid all the above is *my* reason for hoping our little
NG's hard-core will continue to sail cyber-space together. At least here
our twisted little inner circle *always* knows that we can *totally*
disagree about *anything* without *ever* being disagreeable. Elsewhere,
alas, there are certain lofty intelligentsia who consider themselves
mentally superior to we mere mortals because they've grown beyond that
fundamental and distinguishing human ability. Kinda messes up any faith in
the Theory of Evolution... :)
Gotta run - see y'all later! Meanwhile, write, write, write, write,
write, write, write, write, and write. You don't need a reason! That never
stops me!!
Cheers,
The FrankMan
P.S. This P.S. is a personal note to one NG individual who knows who they
are: Is anyone's earlier status at least partially restored? ;)
Tom Pappas
years ago, Frank (and she and I are still friends {:oţ).
Is Cameron's Titanic the best film on the subject? Yes.
Is it the best film regardless of subject? No.
Does it deserve uncritical praise? Your call.
My call: averaging the A+ special effects with the the C- characterizations
and D- dialogue, I have to give it an overall C+/B-. The 'Titanic Explorer'
CD set was just as good as history, and the absence of Romeo and Juliet,
Snidely Whiplash and the rest was a bonus.
--
"John's warmth died." - Edward John Smith
"Titanic" - A cat in it.
TheFrankMan
> Andrys and I went over most of the film's strengths and weaknesses about
two
> years ago, Frank (and she and I are still friends {:oş).
As it should be. If two people are 100% the same, one serves no greater
function than as spare parts for the other. We all learn the most from
people we agree with the least (though many never realize it). Both you and
Andrys possess the valuable quality of being able to express candor and
differences of opinion (even strong ones, even intensely articulated)
without stooping to personal attacks - a skill which alas some of the
cyber-street-fighters I alluded to earlier have yet to pursue, let alone
discover. :)
> Is Cameron's Titanic the best film on the subject? Yes.
That's all I was trying to say.
> Is it the best film regardless of subject? No.
Intrinisically, of course not. No film is best or worst, per se, any more
than blanket superiority can be claimed for chocolate vs vanilla, or Coke vs
Pepsi, or regular vs extra-crispy. But, for me, that film *does* happen to
feel like the best, for countless very subtle, asthetic & personal reasons I
could never expect anyone to understand, nor should they. And they're all
welcome to feel the same for any film that trips their trigger. (Except
Pulp Fiction, of course, which is corrosive and rancid clear down to the
molecular and sub-atomic level. What on earth was Ebert ever thinking?!)
> Does it deserve uncritical praise? Your call.
No sweat, you can have that point. Nothing deserves uncritical praise.
My previous post's complaint was merely about the folks who trash the film
because it doesn't work for *them*, and they truly obtain perverse
satisfaction in destroying the pleasure others may derive from it. That's
not artistic criticism, that's just plain sick. Reminds me of another
slightly iconoclastic Tom - Tom Lehrer - whose classic definition of a
modern philosopher was "someone who goes around trying to re-educate people
who are happier than he is." :)
> My call: averaging the A+ special effects with the the C-
characterizations
> and D- dialogue, I have to give it an overall C+/B-. The 'Titanic
Explorer'
> CD set was just as good as history, and the absence of Romeo and Juliet,
> Snidely Whiplash and the rest was a bonus.
And that's fully valid, tho 180 degrees opposite me. For me, the
characters and their story - as simple and unsophisticated as they may have
been - just plain "worked", big-time - for no logical reason whatsoever.
And that greatly magnified everything else, which I already liked a lot for
starters. Indeed, when I watched the "out-takes" in Cameron's Explorer, I
felt them to be clinically sterile and soulless, because (for me) they
portrayed just another nameless newsreel tragedy, devoid of any trace of a
heartbeat - like trying to hold a conversation with a phone-mail computer.
Likewise, agreed, the depth of dialogue and plot weren't that of a Poe or
Ambrose Bierce; but I didn't need for it to be, because people we like at
first sight don't have to recite constant world-class poetry to earn or
retain our affection.
And whatever happened to Snidely Whiplash? Haven't seen him in any films
ever since Dudley Dooright and Sweet Nell gave up making movies in the Yukon
and went back to star in Cameron's Broadway production of "Annie", where
Nell delivered her award-winning performance singing, "The ship's gonna
sink - tomorrow! Holy shorts, we'll all be dead - tomorroooow..."
> "John's warmth died." - Edward John Smith
Cross my heart (Word-Player's Honor), I *did* come across that *same* one!
In fact, until I confirmed his exact middle name, I hedged my bet and also
pursued an anagram for Edward James Smith, just in case, which yields the
eerily prophetic "Deathward Mess, Jim".
> "Titanic" - A cat in it.
That one I missed! Aaargh!
BTW, as I promised to John in the other NG, today (Friday) I should be
ready to unleash on the world the absolute mother of all Titanic Anagram
posts, under a thread title of the same name. Which means it'll eat up your
entire weekend making sure I didn't cheat on any of them! :) :)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
Tom Pappas <t...@pcslink.com> wrote in message
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> Andrys and I went over most of the film's strengths and weaknesses about
two
> years ago, Frank (and she and I are still friends {:oş).
moos...@my-deja.com
"Tom Pappas" <t...@pcslink.com> wrote:
> My call: averaging the A+ special effects with the the C-
characterizations
> and D- dialogue, I have to give it an overall C+/B-.
My call: averaging the A+ special effects with the A+ story, A+
production, A+ characterizations, A+ screenplay and A+ music, I've come
up with an overall average of A+.
TheFrankMan
> My call: averaging the A+ special effects with the A+ story, A+
> production, A+ characterizations, A+ screenplay and A+ music, I've come
> up with an overall average of A+.
And, the anagram for "A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+" = "AAAAA+++++"
Pretty A-mazing and A-stounding, eh? (Of course, pronouncing the Canadian
"eh" as "A"...)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
Molly Brown
When everyone is boarding Titanic......... the classy people getting
on......... the beautiful ship........... everyone there to see her
off...........everyone waving good bye............ then the "Take her to sea"
scene is sooooooooooooooooo wonderful!!!
Titanic was so beautiful!!!
"To really communicate with
someone, we have to allow ourselves, just for a moment, to
become that other person."
TheFrankMan
Molly Brown <happ...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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> My favorite scenes.........
>
> When everyone is boarding Titanic......... the classy people getting
> on......... the beautiful ship........... everyone there to see her
> off...........everyone waving good bye............ then the "Take her to
sea"
> scene is sooooooooooooooooo wonderful!!!
> Titanic was so beautiful!!!
Agreed, and the music really multiplies the beauty! FYI, the several
minutes following "Take her to sea, Mr. Murdoch..." is what Cameron calls
his "Ode to the Ship".
Cheers,
The FrankMan
M.T. Hunt
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Lamar Owen
>
> Only fifteen messages on this newsgroup at the moment, I wonder if the group
> is in its final throes.
a.m.titanic at two?
> Say hello if you can hear me..........
Can't hear you.... :-)
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
Rudolf Kemnitz
"Lamar Owen" <lamar...@wgcr.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Hello...?!
Is there any one out there...?
Till then,
... and take her to the See!
--
Rudolf Kemnitz WEB - DESIGN
Email: RKem...@t-online.de
Titanic Homepage from Rudolf Kemnitz: http://home.t-online.de/home/rkemnitz/
Tom Pappas
--
Half-baked Titanic theories galore at
http://www.pcslink.com/~tom/titanic
"But this script can't sink!"
"She is made of irony, sir. She can, and she will."
"Lamar Owen" <lamar...@wgcr.org> wrote in message
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TheFrankMan
> Titanic at Two AM = Tom can't await it.
Good one!! And Titanic at Two-Thirty AM = A witty attrition match.
:)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
Tom Pappas <t...@pcslink.com> wrote in message
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Lamar Owen
>
> Titanic at Two AM = Tom can't await it.
= Twit titan! A coma?
= M. Catatonia Witt.
= A man tacit it wot.
= No tact, wit Miata!
= I am a twin cat tot.
More to come.
TheFrankMan
Been wondering where you been! Been meaning to ask if you're in the part
of Canada where they say "Take off, you Hoser!" like Bob & Doug McKenzie of
SCTV used to say, or is that said all over Canada? I have a ladyfriend to
whom I've been saying that for years, thanks to Bob & Doug! And, do they
say it in French too?
Anyhow, re your request,
> Greetings! How are you? Still poking along around here. It's starting
> to get real quiet again!
>
> Hey, why doesn't someone post an anagram of what I just said? That's
> always great fun. :)
Sure. I know you'll find these meaningful and relevant:
"Greetings How are you" =
WISHY GORE ENTOURAGE
WRITE, GORGEOUS HYENA
EARTHY GORGEOUS WINE
OTHERWISE GREY GUANO
WE'RE RIGHTEOUS AGONY
EISENHOWER GATOR- GUY
"Still poking along around here" =
A LONGITUDINAL GOPHER-SNORKEL
ON A GHOSTLIKE POLAR UNDERLING
"It's starting to get real quiet again" =
GIANT IRATE SQUATTING EGOTIST
Your wish is my command... :)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
<moos...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ppcui$9lb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Greetings! How are you? Still poking along around here. It's starting
> to get real quiet again!
>
> Hey, why doesn't someone post an anagram of what I just said? That's
> always great fun. :)
TheFrankMan
Hi, Lamar!
For the record...
"More to come" =
CORE MEMO TO:
COME TO ROME
COMET ROMEO
COME, ROOT ME
COME O'ER, TOM
Lamar Owen =
LAWMEN, OR A...
OWN A REALM
A LEAN WORM
A WORM-LANE
A NEW MOLAR
ERA: MAN LOW
AWE NORMAL
A LOWER MAN
WARM, ALONE
MALE-WAR ON
LAW AN' MORE
A WARM NOEL
WON A REALM
WANE MORAL
ERA OWL-MAN
MA, WARN LEO!
AM RAW NOEL
LAWMAN ORE
A WAR LEMON
LAW, MAN O'ER
A NEW MORAL
ONE-ARM LAW
A WAR MELON
AMORAL, NEW
A REALM - NOW!
NO WARM ALE!
A RAW LEMON
NO MALE-WAR
WARN A MOLE
MORAL, ANEW
LEONA WARM
REAL WOMAN
NO LAME WAR
LAW - OR AMEN
NO MARE LAW
A RAW MELON
Lastly, since 1 Peter 4:11 begins "If any man speak, let him speak as the
oracles of God", and since I don't want to stray OT, I hereby present below
4 anagrams which comprise the hastily-writ diary-entries of a Titanic
passenger on that fateful voyage, and beyond:
"If any man speak, speak as the oracles of God" =
PAY PASSAGE, FALSEHOOD, ROCKET. IF SANK, AMEN.
A FLOOD-GATE SHAKE-PROCESS, SANK A.M., PAY FINE.
FALSEHOOD SPAKE, AN INFAMY GASKET, A CORPSE.
SANK SOLO, AM FINE. PAY FREAK-ESCAPADE GHOST.
Cheers,
The FrankMan
P.S. Thanks, Tom!!
moos...@my-deja.com
to get real quiet again!
Hey, why doesn't someone post an anagram of what I just said? That's
always great fun. :)
In article <8pgqa0$ru4$16$1...@news.t-online.com>,
moos...@my-deja.com
In article <8po7s2$4jg$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
"TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Lastly, since 1 Peter 4:11 begins "If any man speak, let him speak
as the
> oracles of God", and since I don't want to stray OT, I hereby present
below
> 4 anagrams which comprise the hastily-writ diary-entries of a Titanic
> passenger on that fateful voyage, and beyond:
>
> "If any man speak, speak as the oracles of God" =
>
> PAY PASSAGE, FALSEHOOD, ROCKET. IF SANK, AMEN.
>
> A FLOOD-GATE SHAKE-PROCESS, SANK A.M., PAY FINE.
>
> FALSEHOOD SPAKE, AN INFAMY GASKET, A CORPSE.
>
> SANK SOLO, AM FINE. PAY FREAK-ESCAPADE GHOST.
Good ones.
Corey Ann Doyle
Thanks!! Thought I would be nervous...and I am not yet. 3 days to go...
Corey Ann Doyle
> First and formost, best wishes on the whole wedding thing! Don't forget
>to carry a laptop with you to continue emailing us. :)
LOL thanks... I have decided in my next life to elope...
Somehow I think my fiance would kill me if I got on the net on our honeymoon.
Of COURSE I am going on a cruise...
Joe Sweeney
"Andrew Clarkson" <a.cla...@ndirect.co.uk> wrote:
> Say hello if you can hear me..........
HI! I'm still here. I'm still dealing with a broken computer and trying
to get moved into a new house in another town. I'm soon to have a new
ISP where I can finally use a REAL newsreader (instead of deja) and get
binary NGs. WOOHOOOO!!!
Don't give up on this NG. It's small but it's my favorite. Without this
I have no one to talk Titanic with. alt.movies.titanic may look dead
from time to time but I have a feeling that for every poster there are
ten lurkers. Talk to you all...sometime!
--
Joe Sweeney
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"TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> asked, or tell of very subtle and easy-to-miss aspects of scenes they
> enjoyed, that most people probably never noticed.
Hiya Frank! Here's what I like to do. Since I have most of the lines
memorized I like to listen to the background dialogue. There's lots of
interesting things I missed the first oh, hundred times or so. Like
Cal's comment on his steel in the ship, or Ruth's annoyance at Rose
choosing lavender for the wedding. I'm still trying to hear what Rose
and Cal said to each other when Rose stormed out of breakfast and caught
her first glimpse of Jack. It's almost inaudible. Cal grabs her arm and
she says "Do you mind?" He says something like "I hope you're proud of
yourself." I've thought about typing up a transcription of the movie and
putting it on the web. Sigh, I'll never have time though. Besides,
there's the other languages I don't know and there's always the legal
questions of publishing something like that.
Other times I like to look at background characters we're not supposed
to conciously notice. It gives me a greater appreciation for the real
tragedy. Like the guy who is praying as he walks up the stairs to the
poop deck. You see him a few minutes later looking like he's going to
have a heart attack. Next time you watch, look at the people waving as
Jack and Fabrizio Bastardo -- I mean Fabrizio -- are running for the
ship. They look like Cameron's had them waving all day and their arms
are about to fall off. Look especially at the guy standing there when
J+F run up the plank. He's watching them but still waving absently. It's
kinda funny.
moos...@my-deja.com
Joe Sweeney <jswe...@nemr.net> wrote:
> In article <8p6lv8$r6k$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > asked, or tell of very subtle and easy-to-miss aspects of scenes
they
> > enjoyed, that most people probably never noticed.
>
> Hiya Frank! Here's what I like to do. Since I have most of the lines
> memorized I like to listen to the background dialogue. There's lots of
> interesting things I missed the first oh, hundred times or so. Like
> Cal's comment on his steel in the ship, or Ruth's annoyance at Rose
> choosing lavender for the wedding. I'm still trying to hear what Rose
> and Cal said to each other when Rose stormed out of breakfast and
caught
> her first glimpse of Jack. It's almost inaudible. Cal grabs her arm
and
> she says "Do you mind?" He says something like "I hope you're proud of
> yourself." I've thought about typing up a transcription of the movie
and
> putting it on the web. Sigh, I'll never have time though. Besides,
> there's the other languages I don't know and there's always the legal
> questions of publishing something like that.
What do you mean by the other languages you don't know? Did you look at
the English subtitles on the DVD? Many of these lines are on there, and
according to it they say "Do you mind?", "I hope you're proud of this."
Although it certainly sounds like "yourself" to me as well. It's very
interesting watching with the subtitles! There were many lines where I
heard the wrong words, or didn't hear the words at all.
(and thanks to Jeb for mentioning about the English subtitles, which I
never would've thought to take a look at myself. where'd you go Jeb???)
moos...@my-deja.com
"TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Hey, My Main Moose!
>
> Been wondering where you been! Been meaning to ask if you're in
the part
> of Canada where they say "Take off, you Hoser!" like Bob & Doug
McKenzie of
> SCTV used to say, or is that said all over Canada? I have a
ladyfriend to
> whom I've been saying that for years, thanks to Bob & Doug! And, do
they
> say it in French too?
I loved SCTV, but I've never heard anyone say this in English Canada.
Maybe someone in Quebec could clarify if it's said in French.
("Décollez, vous Hosér!" ?? I'd be frightened!) Where are you?
California?
> Anyhow, re your request,
>
> > Greetings! How are you? Still poking along around here. It's
starting
> > to get real quiet again!
> >
> > Hey, why doesn't someone post an anagram of what I just said? That's
> > always great fun. :)
>
> Sure. I know you'll find these meaningful and relevant:
>
> "Greetings How are you" =
>
> WISHY GORE ENTOURAGE
Mr. Gore will be on Letterman tonight!
> WRITE, GORGEOUS HYENA
>
> EARTHY GORGEOUS WINE
>
> OTHERWISE GREY GUANO
>
> WE'RE RIGHTEOUS AGONY
>
> EISENHOWER GATOR- GUY
>
> "Still poking along around here" =
>
> A LONGITUDINAL GOPHER-SNORKEL
>
> ON A GHOSTLIKE POLAR UNDERLING
>
> "It's starting to get real quiet again" =
>
> GIANT IRATE SQUATTING EGOTIST
Now you're getting personal! :)
TheFrankMan
> Hiya Frank! Here's what I like to do. Since I have most of the lines
> memorized I like to listen to the background dialogue.
I always watch that video with stereo headphones, and have done exactly
that.
> There's lots of
> interesting things I missed the first oh, hundred times or so. Like
> Cal's comment on his steel in the ship
Caught that.
> or Ruth's annoyance at Rose choosing lavender for the wedding.
I heard that first on the audio-tape I made from my TV - but it's still
inaudible from the TV itself, even with headphones, and even tho I know what
she's saying. Need a better TV, eh? But, wait, if *that's* true, then how
did the TV output such a good signal to my tape-recorder? Aaaarrrgghhh! :)
> I'm still trying to hear what Rose
> and Cal said to each other when Rose stormed out of breakfast and caught
> her first glimpse of Jack. It's almost inaudible. Cal grabs her arm and
> she says "Do you mind?" He says something like "I hope you're proud of
> yourself."
That's exactly it, but their preceding greeting is barely a growl,
something akin to the modern boy/girl back/forth equivalent of "Hey,
pin-head!"
I also like that - in many scenes - you can subtly hear the sound of a
clock or pocket-watch ticking, when one is anywhere in view. Somehow
quietly implies how time is running out...
> Other times I like to look at background characters we're not supposed
> to conciously notice. It gives me a greater appreciation for the real
> tragedy.
Understood, I do it all the time.
> Jack and Fabrizio Bastardo -- I mean Fabrizio -- are running for the
> ship.
I grew up in a S. Philly neighborhood long ago which had its fair share of
Italians. During the above scene, when chasing Jack to the ship, Fabrizio
says what sounds like "Ah-spetta!". That's the Italian variation also found
in the Spanish "Espere!", which means "Wait!" Also, moments earlier, just
after Jack wins the tickets, Fabrizio excitedly says what sounds like
"Fig-yu de bu-tanna!!". This in street-talk Italian is the exact same
friendly swear as in English, "You son of a ___!!", and the latter word in
Italian also literally means "female dog". So Fabrizio is using the same
odd cheer of congratulations that a couple of good-friend sailors or
poker-players would make most anywhere.
> look at the people waving as
> Jack and Fabrizio Bastardo -- I mean Fabrizio -- are running for the
> ship. They look like Cameron's had them waving all day and their arms
> are about to fall off. Look especially at the guy standing there when
> J+F run up the plank. He's watching them but still waving absently. It's
> kinda funny.
Never caught that!
Also, has anyone else noticed that - at the beginning of the final scene
when the camera "swims" over the bow to enter & travel along a deck - that's
the exact same stretch of deck that Rose ran along to get from Lifeboat #2
to the forward Grand Staircase again, on the stairs between A Deck and the
Boat Deck, where she had first seen Jack in his dinner jacket.
Gotta run. Still in search of a life.
Cheers,
Frank
Joe Sweeney <jswe...@nemr.net> wrote in message
news:8pqs9g$vtn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8p6lv8$r6k$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > asked, or tell of very subtle and easy-to-miss aspects of scenes they
> > enjoyed, that most people probably never noticed.
>
> Hiya Frank! Here's what I like to do. Since I have most of the lines
> memorized I like to listen to the background dialogue. There's lots of
> interesting things I missed the first oh, hundred times or so. Like
> Cal's comment on his steel in the ship, or Ruth's annoyance at Rose
> choosing lavender for the wedding. I'm still trying to hear what Rose
> and Cal said to each other when Rose stormed out of breakfast and caught
> her first glimpse of Jack. It's almost inaudible. Cal grabs her arm and
> she says "Do you mind?" He says something like "I hope you're proud of
> yourself." I've thought about typing up a transcription of the movie and
> putting it on the web. Sigh, I'll never have time though. Besides,
> there's the other languages I don't know and there's always the legal
> questions of publishing something like that.
>
> Other times I like to look at background characters we're not supposed
> to conciously notice. It gives me a greater appreciation for the real
> tragedy. Like the guy who is praying as he walks up the stairs to the
> poop deck. You see him a few minutes later looking like he's going to
> have a heart attack. Next time you watch, look at the people waving as
> Jack and Fabrizio Bastardo -- I mean Fabrizio -- are running for the
> ship. They look like Cameron's had them waving all day and their arms
> are about to fall off. Look especially at the guy standing there when
> J+F run up the plank. He's watching them but still waving absently. It's
> kinda funny.
> --
> Joe Sweeney
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> Images and wise sayings of A.J.S.:
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/River/3055/alex.html
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>
>
Tom Pappas
honeymoon.
> Of COURSE I am going on a cruise...
What? He thinks he owns you? He thinks you're not a complete person in your
own right, free to do whatever you want to?
I'll give it 18 months.
Corey Ann Doyle
>own right, free to do whatever you want to?
No...but I do believe that our honeymoon is meant for time together, not on the
computer :)
>I'll give it 18 months.
Gee isn't that sweet?
Corey Ann Doyle
>inaudible from the TV itself, even with headphones, and even tho I know what
>she's saying. Need a better TV, eh? But, wait, if *that's* true, then how
>did the TV output such a good signal to my tape-recorder? Aaaarrrgghhh! :)
Hmm I hear it perfectly clear on mine (BTW my dresses are lavendar...LOL).
> That's exactly it, but their preceding greeting is barely a growl,
>something akin to the modern boy/girl back/forth equivalent of "Hey,
>pin-head!"
I don't think there was a preceeding greeting. I think she just said, "do you
mind" and took off.
Also notice when Kate comes to the surface, Wallace Hartly is on a barrell
right behind her fighting for it with someone. During that scene if you watch
the background you will see a lot of people that you have touched base with at
one point during the movie. Kinda interesting.
TheFrankMan
Though I certainly can't speak for anyone else, perhaps...
> > What? He thinks he owns you? He thinks you're not a complete person in
your
> > own right, free to do whatever you want to?
... should have been worded, "You're not a foreman in one of his mills that
he can command."
And, as for...
> > I'll give it 18 months.
I take that to be the length of the Honeymoon Cruise, of course. Talk to
ya again in March, 2002! Have an excellent voyage, wave at the dolphins for
me, take along an extra pair of binoculars to share with the crew, and be
especially careful when leaning over the stern rail to see the propellers!
:)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
P.S. And if anybody wants to say that they're really porpoises instead of
dolphins, allow me to say in advance, "Well, excuuuuuUUUUUUUUuuuuuuse
meeeeEEEEEeeeee!"
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TheFrankMan
> > That's exactly it, but their preceding greeting is barely a growl,
> >something akin to the modern boy/girl back/forth equivalent of "Hey,
> >pin-head!"
>
> I don't think there was a preceeding greeting. I think she just said, "do
you
> mind" and took off.
Perhaps not a greeting, but I think there's still another quick word or
two buried in there as Cal walks up. But, in any case, no biggie. By far,
my favortie part of that overall scene was Rose's earlier second glance at
Jack - very well conceived, visually composed & staged, nicely back-lit, and
well-executed.
Bon Voyage! (And, even if you don't bring along your own, maybe some
other passenger will have a laptop with a satellite modem... offer them a
dime - it might work!)
Cheers,
The FrankMan
Lamar Owen
Hullo, FrankMan....
> Lamar Owen =
[I've been told I'm just full of words.... :-)]
[snip]
> "If any man speak, speak as the oracles of God" =
Left out the 'let him' :-))
Back to the first:
Titanic at two AM:
A maniac twit tot.
A Tacoma tin twit
A tacit aim -- TNT! -- OW!
A tacit Tom Twain.
(and you too can find many more: see www.wordsmith.org!)
"The FrankMan"
Mark the 'N' Fan....
Hark, aft 'n' men!
(few vowels, greater challenge, as opposed to the aaowe in mine....)
Mr. Aften Khan.
(Sign on a room door):
Aft khenna Rm.
Aft Khmer nan :-)
(Tim Allen telling his sidekick to increase the flames...)
Fan them, Karn!
(A bad druggie)
Rank meth fan.
(Telling a famous Williams to play the guitar harder:)
Hank! Fret, man!
(Instructions to a cloner)
Make Nth Fran.
And my favorite, showing some oddball arithmetic:
Frankenmath! (Which you _won't_ find on anagramgenius or wordsmith!)
jeb
anymore studying. Saw the movie again after not having seen it in months, on
Labor Day - no school, didn't have to work.
Yeah, those subtitles filled me in on a LOT of lines I missed or
misunderstood.
Still don't know the composer of the music in the scene where Rose turns
from the discussion about bridemaid dresses and invitations to see the
little girl being trained/programmed to be a "lady."
Where's Andrys?
<moos...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8pr8ul$glt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8pqs9g$vtn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Joe Sweeney <jswe...@nemr.net> wrote:
> > In article <8p6lv8$r6k$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > "TheFrankMan" <thefr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > asked, or tell of very subtle and easy-to-miss aspects of scenes
> they
> > > enjoyed, that most people probably never noticed.
> >
> > Hiya Frank! Here's what I like to do. Since I have most of the lines
> > memorized I like to listen to the background dialogue. There's lots of
> > interesting things I missed the first oh, hundred times or so. Like
> > Cal's comment on his steel in the ship, or Ruth's annoyance at Rose
> > choosing lavender for the wedding. I'm still trying to hear what Rose
> > and Cal said to each other when Rose stormed out of breakfast and
> caught
> > her first glimpse of Jack. It's almost inaudible. Cal grabs her arm
> and
> > she says "Do you mind?" He says something like "I hope you're proud of
> > yourself." I've thought about typing up a transcription of the movie
> and
> > putting it on the web. Sigh, I'll never have time though. Besides,
> > there's the other languages I don't know and there's always the legal
> > questions of publishing something like that.
>
> What do you mean by the other languages you don't know? Did you look at
> the English subtitles on the DVD? Many of these lines are on there, and
> according to it they say "Do you mind?", "I hope you're proud of this."
> Although it certainly sounds like "yourself" to me as well. It's very
> interesting watching with the subtitles! There were many lines where I
> heard the wrong words, or didn't hear the words at all.
> (and thanks to Jeb for mentioning about the English subtitles, which I
> never would've thought to take a look at myself. where'd you go Jeb???)
>
>
Joe Sweeney
moos...@my-deja.com wrote:
> What do you mean by the other languages you don't know? Did you look
at
> the English subtitles on the DVD? Many of these lines are on there,
and
> according to it they say "Do you mind?", "I hope you're proud of
this."
Hey thanks Moose! I rented the DVD once but never had time to watch all
of it and I'm sure I never looked at the subtitles. I'll have to check
that out. Man, I really need to get with the times!!!
--
Joe Sweeney
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Mbraaler
>else been to the exibit? I really do not agree with the taking of the
>artifacts from the ship, but since the damage has been done I would like to
>see what they have brought up.
I have been to both the Chicago exhibit this past July, and the St Paul, MN
exhibit in February 1999. They were both bery good, but I must say the
artifacts at the St Paul exhibit were better--the ones you remember seeing on
the various documentaries, etc., like the jar of olives, the bracelet that
spells out "Amy" in rhinestones, etc. The Chicago exhibit had replicas of the
Grand Staircase, stateroom, third class room, and coal bunker, with a replica
of the watertight door that you walked under. The Grand Staircase was indeed
breathtaking, complete with lighted dome and crystal chandelier. Very nicely
done. That was probably the highlight. The artifacts were OK, and included a
clairinet, address book in incredible condition, (it was stolen by a security
guard and subsequestly recovered) a pair of pajamas still folded. One of the
best displays was the rows and rows of casserole dishes that are still
underwater, undergoing the preservvation process, and the "big piece" that is
now out of the water. I saw it under water in St Paul. I don't like the idea
of them raping and pillaging the ship, either, but they took the stuff, we
might as well enjoy it and pay homage to the victims. It was very sobering and
moving. In St Paul, they had a steward's jacket that still had his name
written in the neck for laundering. He did not survive. That jacket bothered
me more than anything. For me, seeing the real artifacts first hand was a
dream come true. It made the tragedy come to life for me, like the grand
Cameron movie did. I actually was able to touch a real davit that they took
from the ocean floor in St Paul. Incredible! To think that this was an actual
piece of Titanic and that it had laid there for 80 plus years! The ship, her
victims, and the movie will live on in my heart and soul forever.
Jenn
"Mbraaler" <mbra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > The ship, her
> victims, and the movie will live on in my heart and soul forever.
Very nicely put, your comments on the exibit were very insightful!
I would just like to see the exibit for the reasons that you stated. I think
it would really bring the tragedy to life.
Mbraaler
>> victims, and the movie will live on in my heart and soul forever.
>
>Very nicely put, your comments on the exibit were very insightful!
>I would just like to see the exibit for the reasons that you stated. I think
>it would really bring the tragedy to life.
Well, seeing the exhibit really DOES bring the tragedy to life. I feel so
fortunate that it came close enough to my home not once but twice, and I was
able to see it both times. Both exhibits offered something different. I was
deeply interested in Titanic long before the Cameron film. The A & E specials
are what sparked my interest. The stories from the survivors truly intrigue
me. (Have you read "Women and Children First" by Judith Geller? Excellent
accounts of victims, survivors, and what happened to them after the disaster)
No, the Cameron film wasn't perfect--what made by human hands is? But it was
perfect enough--to bring the tragedy into your heart and soul and show what the
passengers and crew lived through that awful night. And we got to see the ship
in all her beauty and grandeur before the sinking and appreciate her beauty.