John Ford films on AMC
Loren Schoenberg
BUT
in all matters Fordian, I would strongly recommend the John Ford book
by Tag Gallagher. One of the best combinations of biography and
analysis and appreciation in any genre that I've ever come accross.
LS
vita...@thetaband.com (Vitaphone) wrote:
>
>
>AMC is showing some great films this weekend. They seemed to have
>shown a version made for foreign markets of the all talkie "MEN
>WITHOUT WOMEN" from 1930. ( The had most of the dialogue taken out and
>music and titles were put into the appropiate language... but these
>were english titles that looked original???). Anyone know if the
>all sound version still exists?
>
>
>
>
BlakeMF
Gallagher. One of the best combinations of biography and analysis and
appreciation in any genre that I've ever come accross. >>
Very much so.
HOWEVER, I would remiss if I did not give equal time to the bio by Dan Ford
(the grandson), which I think truly captures the Old Man.
I also think these books are excellent: "About John Ford" by Lindsay Anderson;
"Company of Heroes" by harry Carey, Jr.; "John Ford: Hollywood's Old Master" by
Ronald Davis.
If you'll excuse me, I have to get back to "Dr. Bull"
Michael F. Blake
Jim Neibaur
And for a cable station that has offered little of interest to me lately, I am
quite pleased with the earlier Ford films they have been showing, especially
things like Dr. Bull, which I hadn't seen.
JN
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Bob Tiernan
> Let me be yet another supporter of Tag Gallagher's book on Ford and
> his films. And for a cable station that has offered little of
> interest to me lately, I am quite pleased with the earlier Ford films
> they have been showing, especially things like Dr. Bull, which I
> hadn't seen.
Yes, I picked it up the other day so that I can
have it while viewing these films, and appreciate
the cast listings and comments regarding condition
of surviving prints. Since the info on Men Without
Women needs a slight update to mention the dialogue,
let's hope that maybe a few others will have some
surprises. Too bad the rest of Mother Machree has
not been found. I still have hopes that some
archives and collections in Eastern Europe will
reveal lost films, but it's been nearly a decade now
that the area's been opened up for a better look.
Bob T.
Bob Tiernan
What's the status of Up the River? Available on video?
Too bad this one was not shown this weekend as well.
I've always been interested in seeing this because of
Ford and because of the presence of Tracy and Bogart,
and the only time I recall this listed for television
was when the Movie Channel (I think) ran it a few times
years ago. I did not have that one. My only other chance
was when a local theater was running some older films
during a two-week period and Up the River was listed
for a particular night as part of a triple bill. I drove
over there that night and they had apparently ended the
festival early and were showing a newer film. I never
asked them what the story was.
Bob T.
ChaneyFan
It certainly exists and they certainly could have shown it if they wanted to.
Obviously AMC didn't (and couldn't) run *all* the Ford films this weekend. But
let's hope they run the rest next month!
===============================
Jon Mirsalis
e-mail: Chan...@aol.com
Jon's Film Sites: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan/jonfilm.htm
Lon Chaney Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan
TTrocc7007
completely blown away I am by what i've been seeing.
The progression rom Straight Shooting to Iron Horse is astounding.
The bare little excerpt that still survives of Village Blacksmith slayed me.
Watching that poor kid crawling through the mud reminded me of Browning's
Freaks, and hey, the blacksmith? That was McLaglan wasn't it?
The Iron Horse was every bit the amazing epic Michael blake had promised it
would be almost a year ago when I first asked about it. Not one single wasted
shot anywhere.
Dr. Bull was also too wonderful for words. I adore Will anyhow, and living in
Santa monica as a kid I felt a real kinship to him growing up. I think it's
time fro another tour of his spread!
Man, this stuff makes me feel like I am back in school! Early Ford is an
education in film making!
Tom Troccoli
Jim Neibaur
What's the status of Up the River? Available on video?
Too bad this one was not shown this weekend as well.
I've always been interested in seeing this because of
Ford and because of the presence of Tracy and Bogart,
and the only time I recall this listed for television
was when the Movie Channel (I think) ran it a few times
years ago
-----
I saw Up The River quite some time ago and was mostly intrigued by Bogart's
uncharacteristic performance (it was, of course, pre-Petrified Forest), even
though Bogey is playing a hood, and for the early appearance by Tracy. For the
sake of prison-movie authenticity, Warren Hymer appears.
eric stott
>
> As this is my first time seeing most of these silents, I just have to say how
> completely blown away I am by what i've been seeing.
> The progression rom Straight Shooting to Iron Horse is astounding.
>
Myself I was surprised at how early on the Ford manner was present.
There are quite a few shots in "Straight Shooting" that are practicly
duplicated in "The Searchers"- his tendency to shoot riders crossing
rivers, and shots looking out through a doorway. Harry Carey even holds
his arms in the same manner that John Wayne did later.
How Ever, "Reily the Cop" threw me for a loop.
Eric Stott
Bob Tiernan
> There are quite a few shots in "Straight Shooting" that are practicly
> duplicated in "The Searchers"- his tendency to shoot riders crossing
> rivers, and shots looking out through a doorway. Harry Carey even
> holds his arms in the same manner that John Wayne did later.
I think the Carey-like arm holding in The Searchers was something
Wayne did as a surprise tribute to Carey when the scene was filmed
with Olive carey and other watching. Or so it's said.
Bob T.
It is not for its own sake that men desire money,
but for the sake of what they can purchase with it.
-- Adam Smith
Lloyd Fonvielle
TTrocc7007 wrote:
> As this is my first time seeing most of these silents, I just have to say how
> completely blown away I am by what i've been seeing . . .
> The Iron Horse was every bit the amazing epic Michael blake had promised it
> would be almost a year ago when I first asked about it. Not one single wasted
> shot anywhere . . .
I saw a print of "The Iron Horse" at MOMA in the Seventies. I've since heard
that the MOMA print is an extended version prepared for foreign release -- that
Ford's own version was shorter and tighter. Is there more than one version of
this film out there, and which version is being shown on AMC?
VladW
>that the MOMA print is an extended version prepared for foreign release --
>that
>Ford's own version was shorter and tighter. Is there more than one version
>of
>this film out there, and which version is being shown on AMC?
>
It is exquisite and vastly superior to the Killiam print made avaable throuh
Critics Choice.
Jim Beaver
Bob Tiernan wrote in message ...
>
>I think the Carey-like arm holding in The Searchers was something
>Wayne did as a surprise tribute to Carey when the scene was filmed
>with Olive carey and other watching. Or so it's said.
You're right. Wayne himself said so, at least a couple of times on film (in
the documentaries DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD and THE AMERICAN WEST OF JOHN FORD).
BTW, it's often commented on that Wayne in THE SEARCHERS is this tragic
figue left utterly alone when that door closes him out at the end of the
film. But Wayne isn't alone outside the house. Someone else from the film
is out there with him. Who?
Jim Beaver
Bob Tiernan
> BTW, it's often commented on that Wayne in THE SEARCHERS is this
> tragic figue left utterly alone when that door closes him out at the
> end of the film. But Wayne isn't alone outside the house. Someone
> else from the film is out there with him. Who?
Well, I know his horse was still outside, so no more needs to be
said. But if there is someone else out there, this is a good
trivia question. I'll know in a few hours.
Bob T.
Rick Levinson
>
>
> I think the Carey-like arm holding in The Searchers was something
> Wayne did as a surprise tribute to Carey when the scene was filmed
> with Olive carey and other watching. Or so it's said.
>
HOLLYWOOD: THE PIONEERS, the Brownlow-Gill series, ends the 'Westerns'
episode with just that story.
I don't have a copy of H'WOOD: THE P's but someone [the Duke himself?]
tells the story of doing the gesture in THE SEARCHERS deliberately as a
tribute to the western star Harry Carey Sr. Olive Carey was in the cast
of THE SEARCHERS and Duke wanted to pay her late husband a tribute.
There's some footage shown of Carey holding his arm crossed over his
body. Then there's that classic shot of the Duke making the gesture in
THE SEARCHERS before he turns and walks out into the sunlight.
Just thinking about that, I got a bit farklempt. Talk amongst
yourselves. I'll give you a topic. H'WOOD: THE PIONEERS should be
transferred to DVD asap for everyone to enjoy. Discuss.
Rick
BlakeMF
transferred to DVD asap for everyone to enjoy. Discuss.>>
No discussion. AGREED!! Where do I buy it?
Michael F. Blake
Tag Gallagher
Unfortunately Brownlow used the much inferior British edition, which is the MoMA
edition accurately described above in comparison to Ford's own cut.
Jim Neibaur
transferred to DVD asap for everyone to enjoy. Discuss.>>
I discovered this series by chance about twenty years ago when it first was
being shown on indie TV stations in America. I was enthralled at the footage,
the amazing group of diverse individuals who'd been located for interviews, and
the information I was acquiring from each episode. I will go so far as to say
that I learned as much about silent cinema from that series as I have from any
one of a number of fine film books I've read.
I have it on VHS, but agree that it should be available on DVD.
Glenn Pniewski
Jim Neibaur wrote in message
<19990809094657...@ng-fn1.aol.com>...
><<H'WOOD: THE PIONEERS should be
>transferred to DVD asap for everyone to enjoy. Discuss.>>
I agree as well. I've got the whole series on VHS, but tapes do wear down
after awhile, losing the clarity of picture and sound. Who can we write to
make a collective push?
Glenn
Lloyd Fonvielle
Glenn Pniewski wrote:
It's very strange that this hasn't been made available on DVD. It still sells
on VHS and the out-of-print laserdisc version commands a fortune when sold.
The series is the best introduction to silent films that exists, and
would in itself spur the market for subsequent silent titles on DVD. Image
could justify releasing it just as a marketing tool for its past and future
silent titles.
Lloyd Fonvielle
Tag Gallagher wrote:
Is Ford's cut currently available anywhere?
Christopher Jacobs
Lloyd Fonvielle wrote in message <37AF1A03...@compuserve.com>...
I'm pretty sure that the Killiam print is the original American release of
Ford's cut. It's been so long since I've seen it I can't recall the
differences.
--Christopher Jacobs
http://www.fargoweb.com/hpr/film.html
Robert Birchard
ChaneyFan wrote:
> >>>What's the status of Up the River? Available on video?
>
> It certainly exists and they certainly could have shown it if they wanted to.
> Obviously AMC didn't (and couldn't) run *all* the Ford films this weekend. But
> let's hope they run the rest next month!
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
> e-mail: Chan...@aol.com
> Jon's Film Sites: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan/jonfilm.htm
> Lon Chaney Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan
--
Bob Birchard
bbir...@earthlink.net
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/Guest/birchard.htm
Robert Birchard
longer, but appears to be made up of alternate takes and outs. It is very flabby
in the editing, and at one point George O'Brien is even seen waiting for his
"action" cue before swinging his hammer. Dod not se it this past weekend, so I
don't know which version they ran.
Lloyd Fonvielle wrote:
> TTrocc7007 wrote:
>
> > As this is my first time seeing most of these silents, I just have to say how
> > completely blown away I am by what i've been seeing . . .
>
> > The Iron Horse was every bit the amazing epic Michael blake had promised it
> > would be almost a year ago when I first asked about it. Not one single wasted
> > shot anywhere . . .
>
> I saw a print of "The Iron Horse" at MOMA in the Seventies. I've since heard
> that the MOMA print is an extended version prepared for foreign release -- that
> Ford's own version was shorter and tighter. Is there more than one version of
> this film out there, and which version is being shown on AMC?
--
ChaneyFan
> after awhile, losing the clarity of picture and sound. Who can we write to
> make a collective push?
This was released on laserdisc and I got the impression it sold poorly.
Although it retailed at around $250, it got remaindered at $99 a set.
pre...@my-deja.com
"Christopher Jacobs" <chja...@badlands.nodak.edu> wrote:
>
> Lloyd Fonvielle wrote in message <37AF1A03...@compuserve.com>...
> >
> >
> >Tag Gallagher wrote:
I've
> since heard
> >> > >that the MOMA print is an extended version prepared for foreign
> release --
> >> > >that Ford's own version was shorter and tighter. Is there more
than
> one version
> >> > >of this film out there, and which version is being shown on AMC?
> >> > >
restoration
> version.
> >> > It is exquisite and vastly superior to the Killiam print made
avaable
> throuh
> >> > Critics Choice.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately Brownlow used the much inferior British edition,
which is
> the MoMA
> >> edition accurately described above in comparison to Ford's own cut.
> >
> >Is Ford's cut currently available anywhere?
> >
> ------------------------------
>
> I'm pretty sure that the Killiam print is the original American
release of
> Ford's cut. It's been so long since I've seen it I can't recall the
> differences.
>
FWIW & IMHO, I saw the Brownlow version with a live orchestra at
Pordenone, and found it glorious and not at all inferior or attenuated.
Of course, on TV in the middle of the night, it might not be quite the
same experience. But you already know that.
Mike S.
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pre...@my-deja.com
bbir...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> They have run Up The River in the past, however.
>
> ChaneyFan wrote:
>
> > >>>What's the status of Up the River? Available on video?
> >
> > It certainly exists and they certainly could have shown it if they
wanted to.
> > Obviously AMC didn't (and couldn't) run *all* the Ford films this
weekend. But
> > let's hope they run the rest next month!
Actually, I believe it was the late, lamented Z Channel that ran it. I'm
fairly certain that AMC has never shown it because my cable went out for
the first half-hour and I've been waiting for it to turn up again so I
could retape it in its entirety!
Paula J. Vitaris
:
: FWIW & IMHO, I saw the Brownlow version with a live orchestra at
: Pordenone, and found it glorious and not at all inferior or attenuated.
: Of course, on TV in the middle of the night, it might not be quite the
: same experience. But you already know that.
The Iron Horse was on TV early in the morning -- 7:30 a.m. EST. :) And
even on TV at a time when I'm normally shaking the sleep out of my eyes,
I found it to be glorious indeed. :)
-- Paula
Shecky465
>fairly certain that AMC has never shown it because my cable went out for
>the first half-hour and I've been waiting for it to turn up again so I
>could retape it in its entirety!
Mike
If memory serves me correctly, "Up The River" oddly enough ran on The Disney
Channel about 6 years ago. That's the channel that I think that my tape came
from.
jessica rosner
probably the best Killiam print I have ever seen. I have not seen the
Critic's Choice video or the Brownlow print on AMC . I know nothing about any
differences in content but it would be hard to imagine a nicer print than the
one at AMMI
Jessica Rosner
Christopher Jacobs wrote:
> Lloyd Fonvielle wrote in message <37AF1A03...@compuserve.com>...
> >
> >
> >Tag Gallagher wrote:
> >> > >I saw a print of "The Iron Horse" at MOMA in the Seventies. I've
> since heard
> >> > >that the MOMA print is an extended version prepared for foreign
> release --
> >> > >that Ford's own version was shorter and tighter. Is there more than
> one version
> >> > >of this film out there, and which version is being shown on AMC?
> >> > >
> >> > The version running on AMC is the Kevin Brownlow Photoplay restoration
> version.
> >> > It is exquisite and vastly superior to the Killiam print made avaable
> throuh
> >> > Critics Choice.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately Brownlow used the much inferior British edition, which is
> the MoMA
> >> edition accurately described above in comparison to Ford's own cut.
> >
> >Is Ford's cut currently available anywhere?
> >
> ------------------------------
>
> I'm pretty sure that the Killiam print is the original American release of
> Ford's cut. It's been so long since I've seen it I can't recall the
> differences.
>
> --Christopher Jacobs
> http://www.fargoweb.com/hpr/film.html
pre...@my-deja.com
Thanks for the corroboration. But FYI, out here on the Left Coast, it
ran at 4:30 AM, and by my house, that's the middle of the night!
Mike (yawn) S.
Paula J. Vitaris
:
: Thanks for the corroboration. But FYI, out here on the Left Coast, it
: ran at 4:30 AM, and by my house, that's the middle of the night!
AMC doesn't have a second broadcast for the Other Coast? Very annoying,
since if you wanted to get everything SP on tape, you'd have to sit there
and monitor the entire festival. Which is what I did. I didn't leave the
house for three days, except to go out and buy *more* tape. :) I'm glad I
didn't have to do that at 3:00 a.m. and so on. :) Getting up at 6:00 a.m.
was bad enough. :)
-- Paula
Scott Cleveland
>Myself I was surprised at how early on the Ford manner was present.
>There are quite a few shots in "Straight Shooting" that are practicly
>duplicated in "The Searchers"- his tendency to shoot riders crossing
>rivers, and shots looking out through a doorway. Harry Carey even holds
>his arms in the same manner that John Wayne did later.
>How Ever, "Reily the Cop" threw me for a loop.
>Eric Stott
Riley The Cop is a peach of a film. What a treat!
I also enjoyed Hangmen's House too.
------------------------------
Scott Cleveland
Scott Cleveland
>Mike
I taped a copy a couple of years ago when FXM ran it.
It was in horrible condition. Many splices, so dialogue is missed.
I must say I thought it to be a rather bad film.
Maybe another viewing will change my mind.
----------------------------------
Scott Cleveland
Jeremy Bond Shepherd
jimn...@aol.comNOSPAM (Jim Neibaur) wrote:
>
> I have it on VHS, but agree that it should be available on DVD.
>
He he... I hope it doesn't get out on DVD for at least a year or two. Ed
Hulce knows why. :-)
--
Jeremy Bond SHEPHERD
San Francisco, CA
Internet: jb...@netcom.com
Phone: 415-929-0297
pre...@my-deja.com
The reason it's so beat up is that it came from the only surviving
print. It's that or nothing. I'll take that.
Mike S.
David Weiner
>
>Bob Tiernan wrote in message ...
>>
>>I think the Carey-like arm holding in The Searchers was something
>>Wayne did as a surprise tribute to Carey when the scene was filmed
>>with Olive carey and other watching. Or so it's said.
>
>You're right. Wayne himself said so, at least a couple of times on film (in
>the documentaries DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD and THE AMERICAN WEST OF JOHN FORD).
>
>BTW, it's often commented on that Wayne in THE SEARCHERS is this tragic
>figue left utterly alone when that door closes him out at the end of the
>film. But Wayne isn't alone outside the house. Someone else from the film
>is out there with him. Who?
>
>Jim Beaver
>
>
Mose Harper in the rocking chair, no?
Dave W.
Bob Tiernan
> "Jim Beaver" wrote:
> > BTW, it's often commented on that Wayne in THE SEARCHERS is this
> > tragic figure left utterly alone when that door closes him out at
> > the end of the film. But Wayne isn't alone outside the house.
> > Someone else from the film is out there with him. Who?
> Mose Harper in the rocking chair, no?
Actually, two people. Mose Harper, and the ranch hand who
leads away the horses belonging to Wayne and Hunter
But this changes nothing. Wayne is still a loner in this,
and such people are just that even when others are around.
Even when he was with Mose Harper earlier in the film,
he was more or less alone. AS Cagney said in The Public
Enemy: "I'm always alone when I'm with Matt".
Bob T.
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money
for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves
and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
-- Thomas Jefferson
bryan tinlin
had a program called International Film Festival or something like that, where films like
Up the River were shown, introduced by film critics. I hardly ever turn on Bravo these
days.
Bryan Tinlin
Scott Cleveland <corn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:>If memory serves me correctly, "Up The River" oddly enough ran on The Disney
:>Channel about 6 years ago. That's the channel that I think that my tape came
:>from.
: I taped a copy a couple of years ago when FXM ran it.
: It was in horrible condition. Many splices, so dialogue is missed.
: I must say I thought it to be a rather bad film.
: Maybe another viewing will change my mind.
: ----------------------------------
: Scott Cleveland
Rob Kozlowski
bryan tinlin <bti...@pavo.U.Arizona.EDU> wrote in message
news:7oviig$ai0$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu...
> It also was shown on Bravo back in 1987 when I saw it. I used to love
Bravo then, when they
> had a program called International Film Festival or something like that,
where films like
> Up the River were shown, introduced by film critics. I hardly ever turn
on Bravo these
> days.
>
> Bryan
Funny enough, Bravo and American Movie Classics are owned by the same
company and they've both gone downhill at the same time.
Rob
pre...@my-deja.com
"Rob Kozlowski" <hat...@enteract.com> wrote:
>
> Funny enough, Bravo and American Movie Classics are owned by the same
> company and they've both gone downhill at the same time.
>
> Rob
>
It's my understanding that Rainbow Enterprises or whatever the parent
corporation is called has a new man at the top who is quite upfront
about his disdain for "that old black-and-white shit," and would be
perfectly happy to just keep running TOWERING INFERNO and the like 'til
the end of time. His imbecility can best be judged by his cancellation
of REMEMBER WENN after its fourth season--simply because he hated the
show--instead of keeping it on the air for one more year, which would
have resulted in enough episodes for syndication and thus countless
millions for a quality, G-rated show that maybe .05% of the population
had seen. So even if they can fire-sale it to Lifetime or Fox Family or
TV Land, they're still gonna end up drowning in a sea of red ink.
Mike S.
"What a maroon!"--Bugs Bunny
Christopher Jacobs
pre...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7p1kti$6s2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <qcVs3.825$1B5....@monger.newsread.com>,
> "Rob Kozlowski" <hat...@enteract.com> wrote:
>>
>> Funny enough, Bravo and American Movie Classics are owned by the same
>> company and they've both gone downhill at the same time.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>It's my understanding that Rainbow Enterprises or whatever the parent
>corporation is called has a new man at the top who is quite upfront
>about his disdain for "that old black-and-white shit," and would be
>perfectly happy to just keep running TOWERING INFERNO and the like 'til
>the end of time. His imbecility can best be judged by his cancellation
------------------------
Maybe someone should give him a camcorder and convince him to go off in the
woods after the Blair witch...
--cpj
Lee
>In article <qcVs3.825$1B5....@monger.newsread.com>,
> "Rob Kozlowski" <hat...@enteract.com> wrote:
>>
>> Funny enough, Bravo and American Movie Classics are owned by the same
>> company and they've both gone downhill at the same time.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>It's my understanding that Rainbow Enterprises or whatever the parent
>corporation is called has a new man at the top who is quite upfront
>about his disdain for "that old black-and-white shit," and would be
>perfectly happy to just keep running TOWERING INFERNO and the like 'til
>the end of time. His imbecility can best be judged by his cancellation
>show--
Hey Rob and Mike,
It seems to me that a man like that who limits his appreciation for ALL
film does NOT need to be in a position of being at the top! If he wants
to run a successful classic movie channel he will have to realize the he
is going to have to run black-and-white <bleep>!! True classic fans will
not stand for this! He probably doesn't even know that Herbert T. Kalmus
and his backers put Technicolor on the movie map way back in 1917 with
the now lost film "The Gulf Between" and that "Toll of the Sea" and
Wanderer of the Waste Land" along with "The Black Pirate" took the
process a step further! A guy like that probably thinks "The Wizard of
Oz" and "Gone With The Wind" were either colorized or made in the 1960s!
He doesn't realize that b&w films like "Flesh and the Devil", "The Big
Parade", and "La Boheme", etc, radiate a gleaming quality with the
sophisticated polish of any film made today. He probably doesn't even
know what a silent film was or is. I guess I'll shut-up for now, but
hey, if he's going to work in that area he should be mature enough to
appreciate all aspects of the Motion Picture. If guys like these start
running everything what will happen to those of us who really love the
old, old, classics! We won't be able to see anything made before 1995!
>
>Mike S.
>
>"What a maroon!"--Bugs Bunny
>
I like that Mike. This is what I think of how he is runnin things.
"That's dithpiccable!"--Daffy Duck
This one doesn't apply, but I love when Bugs says it.
"What a gulli-BULL!"--Bugs Bunny in the bull fighting scene!
Have a great weekend guys!
Lee
Rob Kozlowski
Festival at all! Was he asleep when they programmed it? I was stunned that
it was scheduled. I was expecting a weekend-long "Beach Party" tribute for
a festival this year.
Rob
<pre...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7p1kti$6s2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <qcVs3.825$1B5....@monger.newsread.com>,
> "Rob Kozlowski" <hat...@enteract.com> wrote:
> >
> > Funny enough, Bravo and American Movie Classics are owned by the same
> > company and they've both gone downhill at the same time.
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
> It's my understanding that Rainbow Enterprises or whatever the parent
> corporation is called has a new man at the top who is quite upfront
> about his disdain for "that old black-and-white shit," and would be
> perfectly happy to just keep running TOWERING INFERNO and the like 'til
> the end of time. His imbecility can best be judged by his cancellation
> of REMEMBER WENN after its fourth season--simply because he hated the
> show--instead of keeping it on the air for one more year, which would
> have resulted in enough episodes for syndication and thus countless
> millions for a quality, G-rated show that maybe .05% of the population
> had seen. So even if they can fire-sale it to Lifetime or Fox Family or
> TV Land, they're still gonna end up drowning in a sea of red ink.
>
> Mike S.
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RonMaher
>a festival this year.
More like a year-long "fashion designer"
festival...
They're obviously trying to "theme" together something that "fits" the few
films they
can find that Turner doesn't already own!
Ron Maher, WTMS-1560, Melbourne
Gael McGear Sweeney
attention to the ones I've seen again and again --
But while watching the credits for "Donovan's Reef" I saw a credit for
Mae Marsh as one of the old aunts at the beginning of the film. Is this
THE Mae Marsh of the old Griffith Company??? Mae Marsh of "Birth of a
Nation"??
So I went back and checked and saw a credit for her in "The Quiet Man"
as well. Was Marsh in any of Ford's silents? Or this this a case of
Ford keeping some find old players in work after they've been pretty
well forgotten?
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Gael McGear Sweeney wrote in message <37c4c...@news.syr.edu>...
Was Marsh in any of Ford's silents? Or this this a case of
>Ford keeping some find old players in work after they've been pretty
>well forgotten?
Mae Marsh had substantial roles for Ford in the early days and he continued
to use her, usually in bits, for the rest of his career. She shows up in
many, many of his films, often without dialogue. She's one of the rescued
Indian captives in THE SEARCHERS, she's Billie Burke's friend in SERGEANT
RUTLEDGE, she's an Okie in THE GRAPES OF WRATH, etc., etc. Check her
credits in the IMDb and you'll find just how many Ford films she was in.
Jim Beaver
Bob Tiernan
Now that I've seen all but the partial Mother Machree,
and Lightnin' and Straight Shooting (both of which I
forgot to tape while Machree is in the machine waiting,
and Straight Shooting is available at a local video
place so I'll see it soon), I'd have to say that
some of the silent material had some good sequences
that show a Ford that some critics say didn't exist.
I particularly liked the tracking shot of the German
postman in the beginning of Four Sons.
In Hangman's House, by the way, John Wayne can also be
seen standing at the fence when the rich husband goes
through a gate to inform the British officers that
Victor McLaglen was around. He's usually listed as
just the guy wrecking the fence during the race,
and seen in silhouette as someone on the gallows
when the retired hangman sees these images in his
fireplace. Wayne clearly shows his profile in the
scene I mention above where he's seen by the gate.
Bob T.
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