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Jon

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Jan 11, 2002, 4:02:26 AM1/11/02
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I remember reading that the Chaplin films were reverting to the Chaplin
estate and would be out of print in the near future.

Does this include the First National stuff (TheKid/A Dog's Life & FN
Collection) and the three Mutual shorts DVDs? What about the Essanays?

Thanks in advance,

Jon

Bobbyharron

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Jan 11, 2002, 5:59:34 AM1/11/02
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As far as I remember when David Sheperd discussed this issue A First National
Collection is among the group of Chaplin DVDs which have ceased to be licensed
to Image DVD. David did not mention the Mutuals or Essanays as being in this
group.

You can google search the thread which discusses these issues. It is called
Long versions of Chaplin films to be withdrawn and started 23rd July 2001.

Pete George

DShepFilm

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Jan 11, 2002, 1:39:43 PM1/11/02
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The six DVD volumes of Chaplin Essanay and Mutual shorts are in print and will
remain so subject to the desires of Image Entertainment. I hope they will
desire to keep them in print forever, sort of the video equivalents of Dickens
or Shakespeare.

The licensed Chaplin First National DVDs are out of print. Your only present
chance would be to find them in stock at some store. There are bootlegs but
since they all derive from Chaplin's revised editions which are protected, the
Chaplin folks stop them as quickly as they discover them.

David Shepard

James Roots

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Jan 11, 2002, 9:38:53 PM1/11/02
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DShepFilm (dshe...@aol.com) writes:
> The six DVD volumes of Chaplin Essanay and Mutual shorts are in print and will
> remain so subject to the desires of Image Entertainment. I hope they will
> desire to keep them in print forever, sort of the video equivalents of Dickens
> or Shakespeare.

What a beautiful thought! And so apt, too -- Chaplin would love
being placed between Shakespeare and Dickens; I'm sure that's the
place he was aiming at with his art.

Jim


Paul Montelone

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Jan 11, 2002, 11:03:14 PM1/11/02
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In article <a1o7jt$ao4$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>, ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(James Roots) wrote:

Most assuredly. Just as there is a canon of literature, there will be a
canon of film -- consisting of the greatest work, the stuff that sets the
standard for what is great, aesthetically speaking (above and beyond
fashion, fad, and marketing). It takes a while -- many decades -- to
establish a canon -- that is, to test the candidates and to determine
which works are truly timeless and universal. But I suspect that Chaplin
will be "in" the canon fifteen years from now (a hundred years after he
authored his work) no less than two hundred years from now. But of course
only time will tell. For myself, it is enough that we enjoy him now.

~Paul

Jon

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Jan 12, 2002, 7:05:55 AM1/12/02
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In article <a1o7jt$ao4$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca> , ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(James Roots) wrote:

> What a beautiful thought! And so apt, too -- Chaplin would love
> being placed between Shakespeare and Dickens; I'm sure that's the
> place he was aiming at with his art.

In terms of quality, would be more apt to compare the Essanays to Dickens
and the Mutuals to Shakespeare. However, the First Nationals are decidedly
Dickensian in theme.

Thanks for the response. I actually got all the OOP DVDs for Christmas, but
someone on a message baord was asking about the availability of these, and I
knew I could get an answer here.

Jon

Constance Kuriyama

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Jan 12, 2002, 11:17:24 AM1/12/02
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He was occasionally compared to both, esp. Dickens, as early as the 1920s,
and of course Dickens was one of his favorite authors. His feelings about
Shakespeare were mixed. The French compared him to Moliere as well.

By the way, there's a whole chapter on Chaplin,"The Chapliniad," in
Peter Conrad's massive overview of 20th Century culture, _Modern Times,
Modern Places_. [Wonder how he thought of that title? ;-)] I'm inching
my way through Vienna and opera at the moment. It's a major reading
project--and the source of my current sig.

Connie K.
--
"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."

James Roots

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Jan 13, 2002, 8:01:28 PM1/13/02
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Constance Kuriyama (do...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> James Roots (ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> DShepFilm (dshe...@aol.com) writes:
>>> The six DVD volumes of Chaplin Essanay and Mutual shorts are in print and will
>>> remain so subject to the desires of Image Entertainment. I hope they will
>>> desire to keep them in print forever, sort of the video equivalents of Dickens
>>> or Shakespeare.
>>
>> What a beautiful thought! And so apt, too -- Chaplin would love
>> being placed between Shakespeare and Dickens; I'm sure that's the
>> place he was aiming at with his art.
>>
>> Jim
>
> He was occasionally compared to both, esp. Dickens, as early as the 1920s,
> and of course Dickens was one of his favorite authors. His feelings about
> Shakespeare were mixed. The French compared him to Moliere as well.

At the risk of sounding pedantic, I meant Chaplin would love
having his art be described as part Shakespeare and part Dickens.
He wanted to achieve the poetry and genius of imagination of
Shakespeare, combined with the social realism and storytelling
genius of Dickens. I could easily imagine Shakespeare writing
the prototype of MONSIEUR VERDOUX while Dickens writes the
prototype of LIMELIGHT, yet both are ineffably Chaplinesque.

> By the way, there's a whole chapter on Chaplin,"The Chapliniad," in
> Peter Conrad's massive overview of 20th Century culture, _Modern Times,
> Modern Places_. [Wonder how he thought of that title? ;-)] I'm inching
> my way through Vienna and opera at the moment. It's a major reading
> project--and the source of my current sig.

Let us know if that chapter is worth reading. I think I lived
through enough of the 20th century not to bother reading the
rest of the book!


Jim


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