My GXMG Observations
XIANPLANET
Both have great pics of the upcoming GXMG film !! I do not have a scanner, and
I really do not think many of the pics we are seeing on the net are doing these
suits justice. It's hard to explain, but there is so much detail that you
cannot see in Digital Pics.
Godzilla seems to have a GOLD eye with dark puplils.
Underneath MG's eyes there are RED markings that look sort of like warpaint.
The one book also has pics of the Elderly Kimi Mizuno.
MG has 2 weapons inside his mouth which look like a mazer.
One book identifies MG as M F S -3 Type 3 : Multi-purpose Fighting System
Mark
Mark
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Bokman7757
>After GMK I can't shake the feeling Gvs.MG3 is very much business as usual...
It does seem a bit much to do an ever-so-slightly updated version of a
not-terribly-old entry in the series.
The least they could've done was not make MG be a human-piloted mecha again.
warbea...@webtv.net
<<It does seem a bit much to do an ever-so-slightly updated version of a
not-terribly-old entry in the series.
The least they could've done was not make MG be a human-piloted mecha
again. >>
I agree!! One would think that if Toho seems content (sigh) with doing
re-makes, then they should do an updated version of either Godzilla vs
the Sea Monster, or Godzilla vs The Smog monster (CGI Hedorah maybe?).
Afterall, they're the only 2 out of a handful of Kaiju left that I can
recall not being frequently recycled by Toho (ala Mothra, KG, & now MG)
that might draw some movie attendee's interest. Just P-L-E-A-S-E, lay
off the damn overgrown bugs & flying foes for a change!! (continuity &
consistency would be a nice & VERY welcome change though).
Jim Cleveland
I'm not terribly interested in this movie other than an occasional read
of related news group posts. Much like the TV executive in KKvG who
was "sick of Godzilla", I'm sick of MechaGodzilla. I'm pretty tired of
remake after remake after remake with nothing original on the horizon.
I doubt I'll even buy it IF (a big if) it's ever released to video
here.Considering that I'm on the upper side of the bell curve of people
likely to spend money for a Toho movie, it doesn't bode well for the box
office revenues, IMO.
Somewhat in contradiction to my previous statement, I would however be
extremely hep to a KKvG remake, as it's been 40 years since the
original! I'm also tired of flying and/or bug-like opponents for
Godzilla. I want to see some good, savage, WWF-style grappling fights
ala the original KKvG or Godzilla Raids Again. Dammit, Toho, give
Godzilla a ground-based, anthropomorphic foe that he can (literally)
sink his teeth into. Even better if it was a new foe, and not another
"clone". sigh!
AND I'd love to see the battle done in high quality CGI instead of
clunky, limiting suitmation. I suppose suitmation could be ok for the
non-combat scenes, but Toho needs to integrate more CGI (that looks good)
Suitmation is a charming throwback to another period in movie-making,
but the charm is wearing a bit thin from where I sit. As CGI becomes
(and SFX in general) becomes more sophisticated, the more the Toho
offerings look poorer in comparison. The CGI effects in G98 looked
pretty good, BTW, regardless of what one thinks of the redesign or plot.
Mr Director
"Jim Cleveland" <""jcleve2\"@rochester(nospam).rr.com> wrote in message
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> AND I'd love to see the battle done in high quality CGI instead of
> clunky, limiting suitmation. I suppose suitmation could be ok for the
> non-combat scenes, but Toho needs to integrate more CGI (that looks good)
I think GMK shows that suitmation when filmed right is extremely effective
as wee rendered CGI (because not all CGI is good anyway.) We can assume with
Tezuka (assumin I spelled his name right) that unless he learned from GMK as
far as directing serious kaiju suitmation, we can expect some more Godzilla
leaps, poor flying sequences and what not, I will hold my hopes up in that
this new G film will be somewhat of an improvement over GxM.
Bokman7757
>AND I'd love to see the battle done in high quality CGI instead of
>clunky, limiting suitmation. I suppose suitmation could be ok for the
>non-combat scenes, but Toho needs to integrate more CGI (that looks good)
I dunno. If the "Swimming" sequence in G2K was any indication, they've still
got a ways to go before getting good-looking CGI. I wouldn't want the thing to
look like REPTILIAN...
Jim Cleveland
Understood. That's why I said "high quality", aka G98.
G98 was made 4 1/2 years ago. Personal computers are ~ 12 times faster
now than then (Athlon 2.4 ghz vs. Pentium 1 200 for example). Is CGI
comparable to G98 1/12th the cost now? If so, such quality effects
would be getting near Toho's budget threshold, I think.
4 - 1/2 years. Hard to believe how fast the time has gone. Seems like
yesterday. :(
Jim
Mr Director
Toho's CGI is just not up to par. When used sparingly it is very good (kaiju
facial expressions and what not.) But when used for depictions of mecha like
the Gpryphon, it's downright pathetic and embarassing in this day and age.
Toho is better off using regular models to shoot mecha.
>
> Jim
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Bokman7757
>G98 was made 4 1/2 years ago. Personal computers are ~ 12 times faster
>
>now than then (Athlon 2.4 ghz vs. Pentium 1 200 for example). Is CGI
>comparable to G98 1/12th the cost now? If so, such quality effects
>would be getting near Toho's budget threshold, I think.
True, but there's still the schedule to worry about. Toho still seems unwilling
to allocate much time to the making of a G movie, so any CGI would have to be
quite rushed.
warbea...@webtv.net
do, here's one for ya! I wish the Daikaijus in the various films (ala
Destroyah & Space Godzilla) looked half as good as their image on their
advanced artwork posters did. Destroyah in the advanced poster looked
inspired & genuinely evil. Whereas his cinematic counterpart looked like
a Heavy Metal version of Gabbra with wings.
Mark
behind-the-scenes on Jurassic Park and noted how they really mixed up
CGI with very realistic robots. Of course TOHO doesn't spend 80M on
its movies I realize, but I think a judicious use of better designed
robotics, CGI, suit-work, along with editing techniques would be
really impressive.
On the other hand, kaiji suitmation is very much a Japanese
movie-making tradition and their public doesn't seem to really mind it
so we may be SOL(ol)
Mark
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Fungusamungus
all around. Just look at Gamera's suitmation. Nothing really different about
it, but added production time meant they could take more care.
"Mark" <mto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Splinter
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>If Toho just dedicated more time to production, everything would be better
>all around. Just look at Gamera's suitmation. Nothing really different about
>it, but added production time meant they could take more care.
You've hit the nail on the head. The differences between the
production styles between Gamera and Godzilla is what makes the 1990s
Gamera a more interesting series to watch. Sure, you could tell the
embedded CGI, expecially with the plasma balls and missiles, but, that
added to the realism, I think
You can usually tell that production of a Godzilla film is
rushed just by the fact that they wrap filming a few months after it
starts, then, the film is generally premiered at the Tokyo Film Fest,
even through the wires holding up the flying kaiju haven't been
"removed".
If Toho would spend the same amount of time that caused the
later Gamera films to be separated by a couple of years, so they could
develop a believable storyline, take time with filming, and really
bust their asses with good post-production, they would probably earn a
hefty profit and...even recapture the American audiences, since we
here seem to be dazzled by Hollywood style explosions and all
CGI/robotic stuff.
Actually, the Japanese are leaders when it comes to robotics.
They could easily use a more robotic Godzilla and other kaiju with
CGI. The audiences there would warm up to it quickly. Yes, you could
throw in the suit actor for some scemes (the Jurassic Park films used
limited suitmation, if I remember correctly...I'm NOT certain, so,
take this with a grain of salt <G>).
<<<Splinter>>>