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"Ruth, Roses, And Revolver" project based on a Man Ray segment in Hans
Richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy" (1946) which was considered a
major avant-garde film at that time. The DVD still isn't available
(legally) in the US but I found an excerpt on (of all places) YouTube.
It may have influenced Kubrick [in Killer's Kiss?] as his second wife
Ruth Sobotka appeared in the May Ray segment. She is the one (with
bangs) in the purple dress with strands of pearls around her neck
(03:37). The second half of this segment features her more prominently
but it is not included here: (P.S.) There's a man in the "make believe"
audience who looks a bit like Kubrick but it can't be...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsuwpc4LBw
And from Richter's "Dreams":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
G.
Previous messages and BFI bio of Hans Richter below:
David Lynch & Hans Richter
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From: M. Genevieve - view profile
Date: Wed, Mar 20 2002 12:38 pm
Email: mgenevieve...@yahoo.com (M. Genevieve)
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Apparently, David Lynch made some kind of "documentation" for the BBC
or do they mean documentary(?) about Surrealism based on Hans
Richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy" (1946) in 1987.
Does anybody (AMK poster) in the UK know about this Lynch project? Has
anyone seen it?
Thank you in advance.
Genevieve
P.S. I copied the information below from a David Lynch site.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ruth Roses And Revolver 1987
Directed by Helen Gallagher
Written by David Lynch
Presented by David Lynch
Lynch made this documentation (named after a film by Man Ray) on
Surrealism for the British BBC television program Arena. In each
program he presents extracts from what he considers films and
filmmakers most significant to his own work.
Including:
Entr'acte, Rene Claire/ Francis Picabia, 1924
"The greatest influence on my work is the city of Philadelphia. Man
Ray was born in Philadelphia..."
Emak-Bakia, Man Ray, 1926
Vormittagspuck, Hans Richter, 1926
"Things beneath the surface, strange feelings of death, or opposites,
or time...How exciting it must have been to have been a filmmaker in
the early days of cinema, because not only was it so magical to see
paintings begin to move,but they could start altering time..."
Man With A Movie Camera, Dziga Vertov, 1929
Lynch quotes Sergei Eisenstein's view of Vertov "a visual hooligan!"
Blood of a Poet, Jean Cocteau, 1930
"Cocteau is the heavyweight of surrealism."
Dreams That Money Can Buy, Hans Richter, 1946
"Films should have a surface story but underneath things should happen
- things should resonate."
The Girl With The Prefabricated Heart, Ferdinand Leger (from Dreams
That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
"Anything that looks human but isn´t looks frightening."
Discs, Macel Duchamp, based on his own painting "Nude Descending a
Staircase" accompanied by the music of John Cage (included in Dreams
That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
Desire, Max Ernst (from Dreams That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
"I'm very happy to be a fellow traveller with any one of these
guys..."
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I am in the US not the UK, but I can fill you in on this.
This was an episode of Arena broadcast in early 1987, if I am not
mistaken. Lynch introduces the avant-garde films listed below. Frankly
I thought his commentary a bit simplistic and inarticulate. It seems
this was produced to coincide with the British opening of BLUE VELVET.
Total running time is about 50 minutes.
I have a video copy of the program if anyone is seeking it.
Alan
On 20 Mar 2002 11:38:55 -0800, mgenevieve...@yahoo.com (M. Genevieve)
wrote:
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>Apparently, David Lynch made some kind of "documentation" for the BBC
>or do they mean documentary(?) about Surrealism based on Hans
>Richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy" (1946) in 1987.
>Does anybody (AMK poster) in the UK know about this Lynch project? Has
>anyone seen it?
>Thank you in advance.
>Genevieve
>P.S. I copied the information below from a David Lynch site.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ruth Roses And Revolver 1987
>Directed by Helen Gallagher
>Written by David Lynch
> >Written by David Lynch
> >Presented by David Lynch
> >Lynch made this documentation (named after a film by Man Ray) on
> >Surrealism for the British BBC television program Arena. In each
> >program he presents extracts from what he considers films and
> >filmmakers most significant to his own work.
> >Including:
> >Entr'acte, Rene Claire/ Francis Picabia, 1924
> >"The greatest influence on my work is the city of Philadelphia. Man
> >Ray was born in Philadelphia..."
> >Emak-Bakia, Man Ray, 1926
> >Vormittagspuck, Hans Richter, 1926
> >"Things beneath the surface, strange feelings of death, or opposites,
> >or time...How exciting it must have been to have been a filmmaker in
> >the early days of cinema, because not only was it so magical to see
> >paintings begin to move,but they could start altering time..."
> >Man With A Movie Camera, Dziga Vertov, 1929
> >Lynch quotes Sergei Eisenstein's view of Vertov "a visual hooligan!"
> >Blood of a Poet, Jean Cocteau, 1930
> >"Cocteau is the heavyweight of surrealism."
> >Dreams That Money Can Buy, Hans Richter, 1946
> >"Films should have a surface story but underneath things should happen
> >- things should resonate."
> >The Girl With The Prefabricated Heart, Ferdinand Leger (from Dreams
> >That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
> >"Anything that looks human but isn´t looks frightening."
> >Discs, Macel Duchamp, based on his own painting "Nude Descending a
> >Staircase" accompanied by the music of John Cage (included in Dreams
> >That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
> >Desire, Max Ernst (from Dreams That Money Can Buy Hans Richter), 1946
> >"I'm very happy to be a fellow traveller with any one of these
> >guys..."
Hans Richter (1888-1976)
Dadaist, painter, film theorist and film-maker, for four decades Hans
Richter was one of the most influential members of the cinematic
avant-garde. Born in Berlin, he joined the newly-founded Dadaist group
in 1916 after being invalided out of the German army. Initially his
interest lay in painting, but in 1920 he also turned to cinema. His
earliest films, which featured abstract designs similar to those being
explored around the same time by Walter Ruttman, Oscar Fischinger and
Viking Eggeling, developed out of his interest in scroll painting and
show the influence of Klee and Mondrian.
Even so, Richter himself considered music, rather than art, his
'principal inspiration' as a film-maker. Eggeling, with whom Richter
was closely associated for a while, continued to insist that painting
was an essential primary step towards making an abstract film; Richter
came to see film as an autonomous art with rhythm as its key quality.
Indeed, Film ist Rhythmus (1921) was the title of his first completed
film, later retitled Rhythmus 21. He followed it up with Rhythmus 23
(1923), which caused a near-riot at its premiere in Berlin, and
Rhythmus 25 (1925), considered to be the first abstract film in colour.
>From the mid-Twenties Richter began to move away from pure cinematic
abstraction. Filmstudie (1926) featured surrealist motifs such as
floating eyes, while Vormittagspuk/Morning Ghosts (1928), with an
orchestral score by Hindemith, was a zany Dadaist spoof featuring
Richter and his friends wearing joke beards, and random floating
objects - ties, coffee cups, bowler hats - that foreshadow Magritte.
Alles dreht sich, alles bewegt sich!/Everything Turns, Everything
Moves! (1929), a lively collage of a Berlin street carnival, caused a
clash with the Nazis over its 'modernism'. Ironically, the film was
awarded a prize for artistic merit by the Nazis seven years later; but
by then Richter had long quit Germany.
During the Thirties Richter tried to get various feature film projects
off the ground: an anti-Nazi documentary about strike-breaking; an
updating of Voltaire's Candide to modern-day Europe; an ambitious
version of Baron Munchausen.
In 1941 Richter moved to the USA, where he was appointed director of
the Institute of Film Techniques at New York's City College. During
more than a decade at the college Richter became spiritual grandfather
to a host of American experimental film-makers including Maya Deren and
Jonas Mekas. He continued making films: besides the ambitious Dreams
That Money Can Buy he completed 8 x 8 (1957), a study of his favourite
game, chess; Dadascope: From Dada to Surrealism (1961); and Alexander
Calder: From the Circus to the Moon (1963). He also wrote extensively
in art and cinema, notably Dada : Art and Anti-Art (1963), and Der
Kampf um den Film, written in 1939 but not published until 1976. In the
mid-Fifties, he moved to Switzerland, where he continued painting until
his death at 88.
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Desire, Max Ernst
"I'm very happy to be a fellow traveller with any one of these
guys..."
Reminds me of EWS...
G.
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> Actually, the second link is more interesting: part of it is from
> Desire, Max Ernst
> "I'm very happy to be a fellow traveller with any one of these
> guys..."
>
> Reminds me of EWS...
>
> G.
Or:
One Touch of Venus? (1948) on drugs?
dc
Boaz
> Several years ago (!) I posted a message concerning David Lynch and his
> "Ruth, Roses, And Revolver" project based on a Man Ray segment in Hans
> Richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy" (1946) which was considered a
> major avant-garde film at that time. The DVD still isn't available
> (legally) in the US but I found an excerpt on (of all places) YouTube.
> It may have influenced Kubrick [in Killer's Kiss?] as his second wife
> Ruth Sobotka appeared in the May Ray segment. She is the one (with
> bangs) in the purple dress with strands of pearls around her neck
> (03:37). The second half of this segment features her more prominently
> but it is not included here: (P.S.) There's a man in the "make believe"
> audience who looks a bit like Kubrick but it can't be...:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsuwpc4LBw
Yeah, I see the resemblance to a young Kubrick. Ruth looks beautiful.
Didn't they meet much later on though? Kubrick would have only been
eighteen in 1946. Interesting film, though it reminds me of a lot of
avant-garde films I saw in college. Thanks for posting this. I hope we
can see the rest of it sometime.
> And from Richter's "Dreams":
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
> This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
Yeah, I can see that first part might have had an influence on the
fight scene in KK. I wonder if it had any influence on Michael Powell
and the "Olympia" sequence from his "The Tales of Hoffman"? There is
kind of a similar narrative and theme running through it. I was hoping
in the part of the song where the male mannequin asks the female
mannequin for her hand that she would have literally detached it and
given it to him. But I guess Richter wasn't a satirist like that.
Thanks again for posting these links, Gen.
Boaz
("I have nice friends, use 'em for furniture...")
porti...@yahoo.com
Boaz wrote:
> porti...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Several years ago (!) I posted a message concerning David Lynch and his
> > "Ruth, Roses, And Revolver" project based on a Man Ray segment in Hans
> > Richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy" (1946) which was considered a
> > major avant-garde film at that time. The DVD still isn't available
> > (legally) in the US but I found an excerpt on (of all places) YouTube.
> > It may have influenced Kubrick [in Killer's Kiss?] as his second wife
> > Ruth Sobotka appeared in the May Ray segment. She is the one (with
> > bangs) in the purple dress with strands of pearls around her neck
> > (03:37). The second half of this segment features her more prominently
> > but it is not included here: (P.S.) There's a man in the "make believe"
> > audience who looks a bit like Kubrick but it can't be...:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsuwpc4LBw
>
> Yeah, I see the resemblance to a young Kubrick. Ruth looks beautiful.
> Didn't they meet much later on though? Kubrick would have only been
> eighteen in 1946. Interesting film, though it reminds me of a lot of
> avant-garde films I saw in college. Thanks for posting this. I hope we
> can see the rest of it sometime.
She does look elegant, doesn't she? She was not more than 20 years old
at the time although I am not sure when this sequence was filmed. I
would like to see the rest of it too. The DVD is SO available in the UK
at a reasonable price for this type of thing - by BFI, of course!
Someone send a copy of it to me please! ;)
> > And from Richter's "Dreams":
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
> > This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
>
> Yeah, I can see that first part might have had an influence on the
> fight scene in KK. I wonder if it had any influence on Michael Powell
> and the "Olympia" sequence from his "The Tales of Hoffman"? There is
> kind of a similar narrative and theme running through it. I was hoping
> in the part of the song where the male mannequin asks the female
> mannequin for her hand that she would have literally detached it and
> given it to him. But I guess Richter wasn't a satirist like that.
On my former website about Ruth Sobotka I had a nice photograph of
Ferdinand Leger with one of the hands hanging from the ceiling - like
Killer's Kiss.
LOL re: expecting the hand to be detached - I was expecting it too! I
don't know if I so much remembered Michael Powell "Tales" which was
much more shocking as I remembered Michael J. Fox in "Mars Attacks!"
Isn't that unfortunate? (Although we could say that Tim Burton is AS
unusual as Man Ray).
> Thanks again for posting these links, Gen.
You are very welcome. I am hoping that more is posted. I liked Ernst's
Desire. And BTW, do you know that the picture of Man Ray in "Ruth..."
is mentioned and featured in Steven Hodel's disputed book: "Black
Dahlia Avenger : A Genius for Murder." Hodel believed his father to be
the murderer of Elizabeth Short. According to Hodel, his father
attended orgies which were ALSO attended by Man Ray, the director John
Huston, and other Hollywood types. Interesting that Huston also married
a young Balanchine ballerina. Oh but I digress...
> Boaz
> ("I have nice friends, use 'em for furniture...")
Great quote! Which film?
Gen
Boaz
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsuwpc4LBw
> >
> > Yeah, I see the resemblance to a young Kubrick. Ruth looks beautiful.
> > Didn't they meet much later on though? Kubrick would have only been
> > eighteen in 1946. Interesting film, though it reminds me of a lot of
> > avant-garde films I saw in college. Thanks for posting this. I hope we
> > can see the rest of it sometime.
>
> She does look elegant, doesn't she? She was not more than 20 years old
> at the time although I am not sure when this sequence was filmed.
True, it could have been filmed sometime before its release date,
knowing how experimental films take a while to shoot and edit
(especially if they use the artist's own money) it could have been done
earlier than '46.
> I would like to see the rest of it too. The DVD is SO available in the UK
> at a reasonable price for this type of thing - by BFI, of course!
> Someone send a copy of it to me please! ;)
You have a multi-region DVD player? Or one that can play PAL discs?
> > > And from Richter's "Dreams":
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
> > > This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
> >
> > Yeah, I can see that first part might have had an influence on the
> > fight scene in KK. I wonder if it had any influence on Michael Powell
> > and the "Olympia" sequence from his "The Tales of Hoffman"? There is
> > kind of a similar narrative and theme running through it. I was hoping
> > in the part of the song where the male mannequin asks the female
> > mannequin for her hand that she would have literally detached it and
> > given it to him. But I guess Richter wasn't a satirist like that.
>
> On my former website about Ruth Sobotka I had a nice photograph of
> Ferdinand Leger with one of the hands hanging from the ceiling - like
> Killer's Kiss.
I think I remember that image; it's been a long time since I've looked
at your site, but I guess you have taken it down.
> LOL re: expecting the hand to be detached - I was expecting it too! I
> don't know if I so much remembered Michael Powell "Tales" which was
> much more shocking as I remembered Michael J. Fox in "Mars Attacks!"
I don't remember what happened to Fox there. Did Rush Limburger go
after him? ;-)
> Isn't that unfortunate? (Although we could say that Tim Burton is AS
> unusual as Man Ray).
Yes. I wonder if Man Ray is studied a lot at Cal Arts, where Burton
went to school and learned animation?
> > Thanks again for posting these links, Gen.
>
> You are very welcome. I am hoping that more is posted. I liked Ernst's
> Desire. And BTW, do you know that the picture of Man Ray in "Ruth..."
> is mentioned and featured in Steven Hodel's disputed book: "Black
> Dahlia Avenger : A Genius for Murder." Hodel believed his father to be
> the murderer of Elizabeth Short.
Interesting...
> According to Hodel, his father
> attended orgies which were ALSO attended by Man Ray, the director John
> Huston, and other Hollywood types.
Huston, huh? Also interesting. Did the participants wear masks?
> Interesting that Huston also married
> a young Balanchine ballerina. Oh but I digress...
Is this ballernia Angelica's mother? Or is this a different wife?
> > Boaz
> > ("I have nice friends, use 'em for furniture...")
>
> Great quote! Which film?
>
> Gen
"Lolita." It's early in the film when Humbert confronts Quilty in his
mansion, just before Humbert shoots Quilty.
And this closing one below is from "The Killing," in case you were
wondering.
Boaz
("You know, I often thought that the gangster and the artist are the
same in the eyes of the masses. They are admired and hero-worshipped
but there is always present the underlying wish to see them destroyed
at the peak of their growth.")
porti...@yahoo.com
Boaz wrote:
> <snip intro to the video featuring a young Ruth>
>
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsuwpc4LBw
> > >
> > > Yeah, I see the resemblance to a young Kubrick. Ruth looks beautiful.
> > > Didn't they meet much later on though? Kubrick would have only been
> > > eighteen in 1946. Interesting film, though it reminds me of a lot of
> > > avant-garde films I saw in college. Thanks for posting this. I hope we
> > > can see the rest of it sometime.
> >
> > She does look elegant, doesn't she? She was not more than 20 years old
> > at the time although I am not sure when this sequence was filmed.
>
> True, it could have been filmed sometime before its release date,
> knowing how experimental films take a while to shoot and edit
> (especially if they use the artist's own money) it could have been done
> earlier than '46.
>From what I remember it took a few years to film and it was filmed in a
NYC loft.
>
> > I would like to see the rest of it too. The DVD is SO available in the UK
> > at a reasonable price for this type of thing - by BFI, of course!
> > Someone send a copy of it to me please! ;)
>
> You have a multi-region DVD player? Or one that can play PAL discs?
Somebody send one to me please!
> > > > And from Richter's "Dreams":
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
> > > > This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
> > >
> > > Yeah, I can see that first part might have had an influence on the
> > > fight scene in KK. I wonder if it had any influence on Michael Powell
> > > and the "Olympia" sequence from his "The Tales of Hoffman"? There is
> > > kind of a similar narrative and theme running through it. I was hoping
> > > in the part of the song where the male mannequin asks the female
> > > mannequin for her hand that she would have literally detached it and
> > > given it to him. But I guess Richter wasn't a satirist like that.
> >
> > On my former website about Ruth Sobotka I had a nice photograph of
> > Ferdinand Leger with one of the hands hanging from the ceiling - like
> > Killer's Kiss.
>
> I think I remember that image; it's been a long time since I've looked
> at your site, but I guess you have taken it down.
Yes, it has been down for a long time.
> > LOL re: expecting the hand to be detached - I was expecting it too! I
> > don't know if I so much remembered Michael Powell "Tales" which was
> > much more shocking as I remembered Michael J. Fox in "Mars Attacks!"
>
> I don't remember what happened to Fox there. Did Rush Limburger go
> after him? ;-)
No but - er, his hand was detached! It was Monty Pythonesque.
Hilarious.
> > Isn't that unfortunate? (Although we could say that Tim Burton is AS
> > unusual as Man Ray).
>
> Yes. I wonder if Man Ray is studied a lot at Cal Arts, where Burton
> went to school and learned animation?
Joking, right? Man Ray worked and studied in Philadelphia, New York and
Paris. Hey, YOU are the one with access to one of his homes now - the
Getty Museum. They certainly display his work. You are so lucky. The
last time I was in LA it took me a million years to get there but they
have a great tram to the museum once you get there.
> > > Thanks again for posting these links, Gen.
> >
> > You are very welcome. I am hoping that more is posted. I liked Ernst's
> > Desire. And BTW, do you know that the picture of Man Ray in "Ruth..."
> > is mentioned and featured in Steven Hodel's disputed book: "Black
> > Dahlia Avenger : A Genius for Murder." Hodel believed his father to be
> > the murderer of Elizabeth Short.
>
> Interesting...
Of course, Hodel's book or theory has been "debunked."
> > According to Hodel, his father
> > attended orgies which were ALSO attended by Man Ray, the director John
> > Huston, and other Hollywood types.
>
> Huston, huh? Also interesting. Did the participants wear masks?
Perhaps, I should contact Mr. Hodel about his sources for MY book. He
is a former LAPD detective.
> > Interesting that Huston also married
> > a young Balanchine ballerina. Oh but I digress...
>
> Is this ballernia Angelica's mother? Or is this a different wife?
Yes! Enrica Soma. And you know, you inspired me to look up her
photograph. She was on the cover of LIFE magazine. She was hauntingly
beautiful and she died very young (like Ruth) at age 39 in a car
accident. Very bizarre. Click here to see her picture, Striking, eh?
(Hope it works!)
> > > Boaz
> > > ("I have nice friends, use 'em for furniture...")
> >
> > Great quote! Which film?
> >
> > Gen
>
> "Lolita." It's early in the film when Humbert confronts Quilty in his
> mansion, just before Humbert shoots Quilty.
>
> And this closing one below is from "The Killing," in case you were
> wondering.
>
> Boaz
> ("You know, I often thought that the gangster and the artist are the
> same in the eyes of the masses. They are admired and hero-worshipped
> but there is always present the underlying wish to see them destroyed
> at the peak of their growth.")
OK, why did you use this quote?
Gen
Boaz
> > > She does look elegant, doesn't she? She was not more than 20 years old
> > > at the time although I am not sure when this sequence was filmed.
> >
> > True, it could have been filmed sometime before its release date,
> > knowing how experimental films take a while to shoot and edit
> > (especially if they use the artist's own money) it could have been done
> > earlier than '46.
>
> >From what I remember it took a few years to film and it was filmed in a
> NYC loft.
Yeah...shot in bits and pieces -- whenever everyone was available to
help. Maybe that's another think that Lynch liked about it;
"Eraserhead" took five years to make, shooting in bits and pieces.
> > > I would like to see the rest of it too. The DVD is SO available in the UK
> > > at a reasonable price for this type of thing - by BFI, of course!
> > > Someone send a copy of it to me please! ;)
> >
> > You have a multi-region DVD player? Or one that can play PAL discs?
>
> Somebody send one to me please!
Someone PLEASE send a multi-region/multi-format DVD player to this
woman!!! ;-)
And when they do that, send one to me... ;-)
> > > > > And from Richter's "Dreams":
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06Gmz-cqD8
> > > > > This excerpt is perhaps Macel Duchamp's segment?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I can see that first part might have had an influence on the
> > > > fight scene in KK. I wonder if it had any influence on Michael Powell
> > > > and the "Olympia" sequence from his "The Tales of Hoffman"? There is
> > > > kind of a similar narrative and theme running through it. I was hoping
> > > > in the part of the song where the male mannequin asks the female
> > > > mannequin for her hand that she would have literally detached it and
> > > > given it to him. But I guess Richter wasn't a satirist like that.
> > >
> > > On my former website about Ruth Sobotka I had a nice photograph of
> > > Ferdinand Leger with one of the hands hanging from the ceiling - like
> > > Killer's Kiss.
> >
> > I think I remember that image; it's been a long time since I've looked
> > at your site, but I guess you have taken it down.
>
> Yes, it has been down for a long time.
<snip about the mannequins and the now defunct Ruth website>
> > > LOL re: expecting the hand to be detached - I was expecting it too! I
> > > don't know if I so much remembered Michael Powell "Tales" which was
> > > much more shocking as I remembered Michael J. Fox in "Mars Attacks!"
> >
> > I don't remember what happened to Fox there. Did Rush Limburger go
> > after him? ;-)
>
> No but - er, his hand was detached! It was Monty Pythonesque.
> Hilarious.
"Just a flesh wound!"
> > > Isn't that unfortunate? (Although we could say that Tim Burton is AS
> > > unusual as Man Ray).
> >
> > Yes. I wonder if Man Ray is studied a lot at Cal Arts, where Burton
> > went to school and learned animation?
>
> Joking, right?
No, I was wondering if the students at Cal Arts studied Man Ray's work.
I realize Cal Arts didn't exist until the '60s, and Disney was one of
the co-founders. Sorry if I confused you in thinking he was a student
there.
> Man Ray worked and studied in Philadelphia, New York and
> Paris.
Lynch went to art school in Philadelphia -- I'm pretty sure it was
Philadelphia and not Pittsburgh. If it was the former, I wonder if it
was the same school? Lynch is a pretty accomplished avant-garde
painter. I can't remember a lot of the seminar at AFI, when he returned
as a guest to talk about his career, so I can't recall off-hand if he
mentioned Man Ray as one of his influences.
> Hey, YOU are the one with access to one of his homes now - the
> Getty Museum. They certainly display his work. You are so lucky. The
> last time I was in LA it took me a million years to get there but they
> have a great tram to the museum once you get there.
I'll see about getting over there sometime soon. Thanks for the
heads-up.
> > > > Thanks again for posting these links, Gen.
> > >
> > > You are very welcome. I am hoping that more is posted. I liked Ernst's
> > > Desire. And BTW, do you know that the picture of Man Ray in "Ruth..."
> > > is mentioned and featured in Steven Hodel's disputed book: "Black
> > > Dahlia Avenger : A Genius for Murder." Hodel believed his father to be
> > > the murderer of Elizabeth Short.
> >
> > Interesting...
>
> Of course, Hodel's book or theory has been "debunked."
Hmmmmm...Maybe I won't check it out right now.
> > > According to Hodel, his father
> > > attended orgies which were ALSO attended by Man Ray, the director John
> > > Huston, and other Hollywood types.
> >
> > Huston, huh? Also interesting. Did the participants wear masks?
>
> Perhaps, I should contact Mr. Hodel about his sources for MY book. He
> is a former LAPD detective.
Sounds like being an LAPD detective is a stepping stone to a literary
career.
> > > Interesting that Huston also married
> > > a young Balanchine ballerina. Oh but I digress...
> >
> > Is this ballernia Angelica's mother? Or is this a different wife?
>
> Yes! Enrica Soma. And you know, you inspired me to look up her
> photograph. She was on the cover of LIFE magazine. She was hauntingly
> beautiful and she died very young (like Ruth) at age 39 in a car
> accident. Very bizarre. Click here to see her picture, Striking, eh?
> (Hope it works!)
>
> http://www.life.com/Life/cover_search/view?coverkeyword=&startMonth=1&startYear=1945&endMonth=12&endYear=1949&pageNumber=11&indexNumber=7
Yes, it worked. And she does have a very striking look to her. Thanks
for posting this.
> > > > Boaz
> > > > ("I have nice friends, use 'em for furniture...")
> > >
> > > Great quote! Which film?
> > >
> > > Gen
> >
> > "Lolita." It's early in the film when Humbert confronts Quilty in his
> > mansion, just before Humbert shoots Quilty.
> >
> > And this closing one below is from "The Killing," in case you were
> > wondering.
> >
> > Boaz
> > ("You know, I often thought that the gangster and the artist are the
> > same in the eyes of the masses. They are admired and hero-worshipped
> > but there is always present the underlying wish to see them destroyed
> > at the peak of their growth.")
>
> OK, why did you use this quote?
>
> Gen
Mmmmmmmm...the analogy of the artist and gangster appealed to me in the
context of this thread.
Boaz
("Don't touch it! It's a very important work of art!")
porti...@yahoo.com
I haven't taken a look at it in a long time - just browse under
"Cinema" and "Photographies." He must have photographed all the major
artists, writers, musicians, and photographers of the 20th century, not
to mention a lot of women. There are his "negative profiles"
(photographically speaking) and the solarization portraits. Ray even
posed in drag. A lot of interesting, interesting stuff - that would
still be considered risqué today.
Gen
Boaz
porti...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Speaking of the artist, take a look at the official Man Ray website at:
>
> http://www.manraytrust.com/
>
> I haven't taken a look at it in a long time - just browse under
> "Cinema" and "Photographies." He must have photographed all the major
> artists, writers, musicians, and photographers of the 20th century, not
> to mention a lot of women. There are his "negative profiles"
> (photographically speaking) and the solarization portraits. Ray even
> posed in drag. A lot of interesting, interesting stuff - that would
> still be considered risqué today.
Thanks for the link, Gen. I didn't know Man Ray was an accomplished
painter, on top of being a photographer and filmmaker. I ought to
bookmark this link and take my time going through it.
Boaz
("I love the use of the color blue by the artist.")
porti...@yahoo.com
It takes some time to look at everything. And you can also look up
certain works (if they are cataloged or indexed). The website does not
include everything. I understand that the Getty Museum owns some of his
photographs but the extent of their collection on Man Ray is unclear to
me. I didn't know that he painted so well either. BTW, if you watch the
very beginning of the clip on YouTube: "Ruth, Roses..." you can see a
woman in a lilac or lavender cape-type coat and black gloves waiting
for a man who takes her hand and they walk into the building where the
film is shown. I just realized that the woman is Ruth Sobotka. Wish we
could get "culturesponge" to post the rest of the clip. Unfortunately,
it looks as if the Hans Richter/Max Ernst clip is down or not working.
There is a good clip of Richter's "Race Symphony" at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIm7TlLEWnM
Well, it's amazing how many Richter clips one can find here. But "Race
Symphony" has some interesting clips of Germany in 1928.
Gen
Boaz
> It takes some time to look at everything. And you can also look up
> certain works (if they are cataloged or indexed). The website does not
> include everything. I understand that the Getty Museum owns some of his
> photographs but the extent of their collection on Man Ray is unclear to
> me. I didn't know that he painted so well either. BTW, if you watch the
> very beginning of the clip on YouTube: "Ruth, Roses..." you can see a
> woman in a lilac or lavender cape-type coat and black gloves waiting
> for a man who takes her hand and they walk into the building where the
> film is shown. I just realized that the woman is Ruth Sobotka. Wish we
> could get "culturesponge" to post the rest of the clip. Unfortunately,
> it looks as if the Hans Richter/Max Ernst clip is down or not working.
>
> There is a good clip of Richter's "Race Symphony" at:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIm7TlLEWnM
>
> Well, it's amazing how many Richter clips one can find here. But "Race
> Symphony" has some interesting clips of Germany in 1928.
>
> Gen
Interesting. It recalls Vertov's "Man With a Movie Camera" in a way.
And both films were released the same year.
Now all we need is Timothy Carey and his high-powered rifle. ;-)
Boaz
("You'd be killing a horse -- that's not first degree murder, in fact
it's not murder at all, in fact I don't know what it is.")