Why Is the Supply of IDIOT Mountain Bikers ENDLESS?

[Mike Vandeman]

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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Merritt <sdmoo...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks
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Multi use trails work just fine. Need to keep criminals who attack trail users off trails. Fucking psycho.





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From: Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>;
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Subject: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks
Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2012 3:45:00 PM

To the Editor:

Since the Park District is revising its Master Plan, now is the perfect time (by 10/31 at http://ebrpdmasterplan.org/) to ask them to get mountain biking out of the parks! Mountain bikes, with their "aggressive" knobby tires and high speed, grind the trails into powder, which washes away in the first rain, leaving V-shaped ruts and degraded creeks and other habitat. Even the mountain bikers themselves, with rare candor, use the term "shredding the trails" to refer to mountain biking.

Countless insects, lizards, snakes, and other small plants and animals are killed by these "wheeled locusts". Hikers and equestrians are abandoning the trails and the parks, because it is unpleasant and dangerous to have to constantly be on the alert to avoid being hit by a biker coming around a blind turn at high speed. Illegal biking and even illegal trail-building are common in the parks.

It's beyond me to understand why mountain bikers insist on biking in the parks, when walking provides the best way to actually see the parks. Careening through them at high speed -- or even low speed -- doesn't allow one to actually see anything, since you have to give all of your attention to controlling your bike on unpredictable terrain.

It's high time that we restricted bikes to paved roads, where they can't do much harm!

Sincerely yours,

Fed up with mountain biking

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat").
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:52:24 -0400
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To: Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>

Subject: Re: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks

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I am a concerned MOUNTIAN BIKER. You are an IDIOT!

[Mike Vandeman]

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Subject: Re: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks

From: stompe...@gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:44:32 -0700
To: Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>


Hey idiot (aka mike),


Read a scientific article about mountain biking and trail condition/erosion. You will see time and time again that other trail users, namely horses and livestock, are to blame for 99% of the erosion on trails. So why don't you pull your head out of your ass and quit being a self righteous douche.


Sincerely yours,


Fed up with Mike Vandeman


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Subject: Re: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks

From: "Jon A." <smokingf...@gmail.com>
To: Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>
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Mike,

After reading about your history of violent confrontation with cyclists its became clear your irrational and disgusting diatribe below is intended to anger people like myself. Actually it worked!

You many not see it personally but dirt cycling is better in many ways than road cycling; you'll have to take my word on that.

There are so many other points to refute here but you are clearly not interested in rational discourse. I'll limit myself to one: "Shred" is a word used by skaters and surfers. Cyclists don't use that word.

I have no idea how you got my email but it doesn't matter. Remove me from your list please.

Oh and don't forget to go fuck yourself.

-Jon

[Mike Vandeman]

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Subject: Re: Mountain Biking in the East Bay Regional Parks

From: David Campbell <marli...@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:21:27 -0700
To: Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>
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Fuck off ass hole!!!!


Sent from my iPhone

[Pete Puma]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>> To the Editor:

--> snipped psychotic ramblings of someone who can't get laid <--

>> It's high time that we restricted bikes to paved roads, where they can't
>> do much harm!
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>> Fed up with mountain biking
>>
>> --
>>
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
>> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
>> auto dependence and road construction.)

>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://mjvande.nfshost.com

He forgot to add:
"But I damned close to spending the previous 8 years wearing high heels and
eye shadow as a prison bitch"
"Wheeled Locusts is a registered trademark and cannot be used without
written permission of its unmedicated author"
"Could you ask the government to quit following me, especially when I use
the men's room at the bus terminal?"
"I will protest any unscientific whim you can sell to the media--for food"
"The December comet will smash down and judge mountain bikers once and for
all"
&
"Tin foil hats for sale, cheap"

However, the letter should have closed with:

Sincerely yours,
Sitting under a bare lightbulb counting cockroaches with my fork in a can of
Alpo

[Mike Vandeman]

Thanks for demonstrating just what IDIOTS mountain bikers are -- for the millionth time. Your character is on display here FOREVER!

[Pete Puma]

Well, I guess, just like yours!

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:56:07 PM UTC-7, Pete Puma wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote: > On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:31:41 PM UTC-7, Pete Puma wrote: >> Mike Vandeman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> To the Editor: >> >> >> >> --> snipped psychotic ramblings of someone who can't get laid <-- >> >> >> >> >> It's high time that we restricted bikes to paved roads, where they >> >> can't >> >> >> do much harm! >> >> >> >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> >> >> >> >> >> Fed up with mountain biking >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans >> >> >> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting >> >> >> auto dependence and road construction.) >> >> >> >> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you >> >> are >> >> >> fond of! >> >> >> >> >> >> http://mjvande.nfshost.com >> >> >> >> He forgot to add: >> >> "But I damned close to spending the previous 8 years wearing high heels >> and >> >> eye shadow as a prison bitch" >> >> "Wheeled Locusts is a registered trademark and cannot be used without >> >> written permission of its unmedicated author" >> >> "Could you ask the government to quit following me, especially when I use >> >> the men's room at the bus terminal?" >> >> "I will protest any unscientific whim you can sell to the media--for >> food" >> >> "The December comet will smash down and judge mountain bikers once and >> for >> >> all" >> >> & >> >> "Tin foil hats for sale, cheap" >> >> >> >> However, the letter should have closed with: >> >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> >> Sitting under a bare lightbulb counting cockroaches with my fork in a can >> of >> >> Alpo > > Thanks for demonstrating just what IDIOTS mountain bikers are -- for the > millionth time. Your character is on display here FOREVER! Well, I guess, just like yours!

It's just like a mountain biker, not to be able to tell the difference....

[shrag...@hotmail.com]

http://police.berkeley.edu/crimealerts/2010/10-052810-37NC.htm

[Mike Vandeman]

Only a fool would listent to someone too cowardly to use his real name. You are wasting your breath.

[Pete Puma]

Yes, give up your name so that MV can slap a cyber-bullying suit or shove
some harassment statute up your colon. Which may or may not sucessfully work
on someone who wears a virtual "Kick Me" sign.

<snore>

[Blackblade]

And only a fool would preferably believe a criminal, convicted by an impartial jury, who incessantly proclaims his innocence without the slightest shred of evidence.

Occam's Razor I think ...

[Mike Vandeman]

What would you accept as evidence? By the way, my words ARE evidence. Yours are not, since you weren't there. Yours are nothing but hearsay, as you well know, and therefore a waste of breath.

[Blackblade]

> What would you accept as evidence? By the way, my words ARE evidence. Yours are not, since you weren't there. Yours are nothing but hearsay, as you well know, and therefore a waste of breath.

I would accept impartial testimony or objective evidence.

The value of your 'evidence' is clear from the fact that the court found you guilty !

Further, it seems highly likely that it was your own words that convicted you on some counts; although, of course, we don't know the deliberations of the jury.

My words are merely commentary; I am not offering any evidence on the specifics of the case nor have I done so previously. I am merely pointing out that you are a convicted criminal and that others should consider that when deciding what weight to give your future pronouncements.

As Shraga points out, you have never offered any narrative of what you claim happened beyond simple denials and unsupported assertions that everyone else lied.

So, to my mind, the weight of evidence seems very much against you and I am highly disinclined to believe your protestations. Particularly when, in a parallel thread, you seem to imply that you think that putting your hands on someone, when such contact is unwanted, is not assault/battery. On that point, the law clearly shows you to be misguided.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Monday, November 5, 2012 2:09:29 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
> > What would you accept as evidence? By the way, my words ARE evidence. Yours are not, since you weren't there. Yours are nothing but hearsay, as you well know, and therefore a waste of breath.
>
>
>
> I would accept impartial testimony or objective evidence.

You don't have any. Neither does anyone else.

> The value of your 'evidence' is clear from the fact that the court found you guilty !

You know that's a lie. Since they weren't there, they aren't qualified to judge.

> Further, it seems highly likely that it was your own words that convicted you on some counts; although, of course, we don't know the deliberations of the jury.

That's right. You know NOTHING, and should stop pretending to know anything. (But if you did, you would no longer be a mountain biker. Pretending is their stock in trade.)

> My words are merely commentary;

Then they are WORTHLESS.

> I am not offering any evidence on the specifics of the case nor have I done so previously. I am merely pointing out that you are a convicted criminal

You don't even know that. You are believing other mountain bikers who are known liars.

> and that others should consider that when deciding what weight to give your future pronouncements.

All of which rests on AIR.

> As Shraga points out, you have never offered any narrative of what you claim happened beyond simple denials and unsupported assertions that everyone else lied.

BS. I explained what happened several times. You pretend not to know that.

> So, to my mind, the weight of evidence seems very much against you and I am highly disinclined to believe your protestations. Particularly when, in a parallel thread, you seem to imply that you think that putting your hands on someone, when such contact is unwanted, is not assault

I didn't say that. I said it's not assault. You should already know that. Nevertheless, I never did that.

[Blackblade]

> > The value of your 'evidence' is clear from the fact that the court found you guilty !
>
> You know that's a lie. Since they weren't there, they aren't qualified to judge.

Of course they're qualified to judge ... that's precisely what they, and all the mechanisms of the court, are there to do.

> > Further, it seems highly likely that it was your own words that convicted you on some counts; although, of course, we don't know the deliberations of the jury.
>
> That's right. You know NOTHING, and should stop pretending to know anything. (But if you did, you would no longer be a mountain biker. Pretending is their stock in trade.)

I know what you have written in this forum and elsewhere ... which is, now, probably sufficient to convict you of battery.

> > My words are merely commentary;
>
> Then they are WORTHLESS.

Why ? Another assertion without facts.

> > I am not offering any evidence on the specifics of the case nor have I done so previously. I am merely pointing out that you are a convicted criminal
>
> You don't even know that. You are believing other mountain bikers who are known liars.

I don't know that ? I can't read the public record that states that you were tried and convicted on three counts.

> > So, to my mind, the weight of evidence seems very much against you and I am highly disinclined to believe your protestations. Particularly when, in a parallel thread, you seem to imply that you think that putting your hands on someone, when such contact is unwanted, is not assault/battery

>
> I didn't say that. I said it's not assault. You should already know that. Nevertheless, I never did that.

I note that you removed my text to change the meaning ... I wrote "is not assault/battery"

You have, now, pretty much stated your own guilt in the parallel thread so I'm not going to reiterate that point here. You intentionally moved so that you could stop the mountain biker and berate him/her. However, as you had no enforcement powers in so doing you committed battery. Quad Erat Demonstrandum.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:56:33 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
> > > The value of your 'evidence' is clear from the fact that the court found you guilty !
>
> >
>
> > You know that's a lie. Since they weren't there, they aren't qualified to judge.
>
>
>
> Of course they're qualified to judge ... that's precisely what they, and all the mechanisms of the court, are there to do.

That's like saying a scientist is qualified to say what happened when he wasn't present. BS.

> > > Further, it seems highly likely that it was your own words that convicted you on some counts; although, of course, we don't know the deliberations of the jury.
>
> >
>
> > That's right. You know NOTHING, and should stop pretending to know anything. (But if you did, you would no longer be a mountain biker. Pretending is their stock in trade.)
>
>
>
> I know what you have written in this forum and elsewhere ... which is, now, probably sufficient to convict you of battery.

BS. You obviously know nothing about the law -- or anything else.

> > > My words are merely commentary;
>
> >
>
> > Then they are WORTHLESS.
>
>
>
> Why ? Another assertion without facts.

BS. You admitted your words are "just commentary" -- in other words, they are WORTHLESS. Hearsay. Not admissible in court, unlike my statements.

> > > I am not offering any evidence on the specifics of the case nor have I done so previously. I am merely pointing out that you are a convicted criminal
>
> >
>
> > You don't even know that. You are believing other mountain bikers who are known liars.
>
>
>
> I don't know that ? I can't read the public record that states that you were tried and convicted on three counts.

What "public record"? You haven't read it.

> > > So, to my mind, the weight of evidence seems very much against you and I am highly disinclined to believe your protestations. Particularly when, in a parallel thread, you seem to imply that you think that putting your hands on someone, when such contact is unwanted, is not assault/battery
>
> >
>
> > I didn't say that. I said it's not assault. You should already know that. Nevertheless, I never did that.
>
>
>
> I note that you removed my text to change the meaning ... I wrote "is not assault/battery"

You accused me of assault. That's nonsense. That charge was DISMISSED. If you had really read the "pulic record", you would have known that. You haven't.

> You have, now, pretty much stated your own guilt in the parallel thread so I'm not going to reiterate that point here. You intentionally moved so that you could stop the mountain biker and berate him/her. However, as you had no enforcement powers in so doing you committed battery. Quad Erat Demonstrandum.

BS. Pedestrians have the right of way on trails. I can freely go wherever I want to.

[Blackblade]

> > Of course they're qualified to judge ... that's precisely what they, and all the mechanisms of the court, are there to do.
>
> That's like saying a scientist is qualified to say what happened when he wasn't present. BS.

What a load of *****shit ! So, you want us to completely disregard a court and accept your evidence at face value ? On that basis, I doubt that there would be very many criminals in jail !!! So, Mr X, did you do it ? No ? Well, obviously, the court can't decide so we will have to take your word for it !!

> > I know what you have written in this forum and elsewhere ... which is, now, probably sufficient to convict you of battery.

> BS. You obviously know nothing about the law -- or anything else.

I appear to know an awful lot more than you about it :-)

> BS. You admitted your words are "just commentary" -- in other words, they are WORTHLESS. Hearsay. Not admissible in court, unlike my statements.

Great, well done. Your statements managed to get you convicted :-)

> > I note that you removed my text to change the meaning ... I wrote "is not assault/battery"
>
> You accused me of assault. That's nonsense. That charge was DISMISSED. If you had really read the "pulic record", you would have known that. You haven't.

No, I accused you of assault/battery ... and you edited my text to change it. How dishonest can you get ? The difference between the two relates to intent ... as I'm sure you know ... and you were convicted of two counts of battery.

> > You have, now, pretty much stated your own guilt in the parallel thread so I'm not going to reiterate that point here. You intentionally moved so that you could stop the mountain biker and berate him/her. However, as you had no enforcement powers in so doing you committed battery. Quad Erat Demonstrandum.
>
> BS. Pedestrians have the right of way on trails. I can freely go wherever I want to.

I already stated here ... https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.mountain-bike/g6-looFBysM/nYQ7Q36X8akJ ... a detailed refutation. You cannot use Right of Way Precedence for pedestrians to detain someone. Your right of way was not impinged in any way ... you intentionally moved in order to stop a rider. Having no authority whatsoever to take that action you put yourself on the wrong side of the law.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:39:09 PM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
> > > Of course they're qualified to judge ... that's precisely what they, and all the mechanisms of the court, are there to do. > > That's like saying a scientist is qualified to say what happened when he wasn't present. BS. What a load of *****shit ! So, you want us to completely disregard a court and accept your evidence at face value ? On that basis, I doubt that there would be very many criminals in jail !!! So, Mr X, did you do it ? No ? Well, obviously, the court can't decide so we will have to take your word for it !! > > I know what you have written in this forum and elsewhere ... which is, now, probably sufficient to convict you of battery. > BS. You obviously know nothing about the law -- or anything else. I appear to know an awful lot more than you about it :-) > BS. You admitted your words are "just commentary" -- in other words, they are WORTHLESS. Hearsay. Not admissible in court, unlike my statements. Great, well done. Your statements managed to get you convicted :-) > > I note that you removed my text to change the meaning ... I wrote "is not assault/battery" > > You accused me of assault. That's nonsense. That charge was DISMISSED. If you had really read the "pulic record", you would have known that. You haven't. No, I accused you of assault/battery ... and you edited my text to change it. How dishonest can you get ? The difference between the two relates to intent ... as I'm sure you know ... and you were convicted of two counts of battery. > > You have, now, pretty much stated your own guilt in the parallel thread so I'm not going to reiterate that point here. You intentionally moved so that you could stop the mountain biker and berate him/her. However, as you had no enforcement powers in so doing you committed battery. Quad Erat Demonstrandum. > > BS. Pedestrians have the right of way on trails. I can freely go wherever I want to. I already stated here ... https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.mountain-bike/g6-looFBysM/nYQ7Q36X8akJ ... a detailed refutation. You cannot use Right of Way Precedence for pedestrians to detain someone. Your right of way was not impinged in any way ... you intentionally moved in order to stop a rider. Having no authority whatsoever to take that action you put yourself on the wrong side of the law.

Yawn. You obviously don't know how to tell the truth. EVER!

[Blackblade]

> Yawn. You obviously don't know how to tell the truth. EVER!

Bigger yawn. Yeah, keep accusing me of lying without pointing any out ... how's that working for you ?

[Mike Vandeman]

On Monday, November 12, 2012 1:40:17 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
> > Yawn. You obviously don't know how to tell the truth. EVER!
>
>
>
> Bigger yawn. Yeah, keep accusing me of lying without pointing any out ... how's that working for you ?

ANOTHER whopper!As I said, you just don't even know what a lie is!

[Blackblade]

> > > Yawn. You obviously don't know how to tell the truth. EVER!
>
> > Bigger yawn. Yeah, keep accusing me of lying without pointing any out ... how's that working for you ?
>
> ANOTHER whopper!As I said, you just don't even know what a lie is!

Well, if it's so obvious and easy ... just point one out. Go on, surely that's not beyond you ?

Idiot !