Bitter Irony...
Bill Sornson
Art Harris
If you think cold weather in Utica is not compatible with global
warming, I think you're mistaken.
Art Harris
pm
Even considering it incompatible for the sake of laughs, how is it
ironic for people against global warming to enjoy riding in the cold
weather?
-pm
D'ohBoy
Bildo is the last holdout on the right. Even Chimpy Quagmire
McCokeSpoon has capitulated to the reality but Bildo....
D'ohBoy
thef...@gmail.com
"Chimpy Quagmire McCokeSpoon"
Hahaha! This should be in a Noel Coward play, like Dame Pliant.
tf
bluezfolk
> ...see if you can spot it:
>
> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
Interesting choice of a sponsor, for that segment.
Eric
MattB
My ad-block plus FF plugin must have hidden that from me. Who was it?
Matt
Bill Sornson
Well, considering the earth was warmer during the Middle Ages than it
is today, and has been cooling (again) since 1998, you doubtless have
a point.
BTW, Al Gore gave a talk at Harvard recently. Temps were, you guessed
it, record lows. (Google "Gore Effect" for a sad laugh.)
Jay Beattie
I don't know where you were living during the Middle Ages, but my town
was really, really cold. I spent most of the winters inside riding my
wooden rollers. --Jay Beattie.
P.S. -- the Middle Ages was a period of about 1,000 years. That's a
long hot spell.
bluezfolk
Some used car dealer.
Brian Huntley
I got a snowblower ad.
Bill Sornson
> ...see if you can spot it:
>
> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
Nobody got it. It said they're /promoting/ climate change. Sounds
like it's a good thing!
Bill "animals and plants thrive in warm temps; too bad the earth has
been cooling for a decade" S.
Tom Sherman
really should be against global warming.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.
Tim McNamara
<eb279de0-eb96-41cb...@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> Well, considering the earth was warmer during the Middle Ages than it
> is today, and has been cooling (again) since 1998, you doubtless have
> a point.
and
> "Bill "animals and plants thrive in warm temps; too bad the earth has
> been cooling for a decade" S."
A few points...
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080901205717.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031020055353.htm
By all means, though, don't let a few inconvenient facts get in the way
of wishful thinking. That's how we got into these messes in the first
place.
MattB
> On Oct 23, 8:18 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> ...see if you can spot it:
>>
>> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
>
> Nobody got it. It said they're /promoting/ climate change. Sounds
> like it's a good thing!
>
Actually I did see that headline and thought it didn't look right but I
thought you were referring to something else.
> Bill "animals and plants thrive in warm temps; too bad the earth has
> been cooling for a decade" S.
Except polar animals like polar bears, penguins, and of course tundra
flora. Around here it's the Pica, a small rodent that lives above
treeline that seems to be threatened the most by warming. It wouldn't
seem significant except they are a foundation of the food chain and die
if it stays above 85 for any significant period of time.
Matt
Bill Sornson
They said the caribou (sp? -- damn Google interface) would die out
after the Alaska Pipeline went in. Population has more than
quintupled since then.
As for polar animals, some say that ice masses are GROWING nowadays
(http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm,
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html, etc. etc.
etc.) -- certainly the Antarctic is -- but that's not to deny issues
with climate change; only that it's not ALL necessarily our fault.
(Why is Mars warming? That man-made, too?)
I just found the cycling content funny in the context of bitter cold
temps for a global warming protest (not the first time, either), AND
the text saying they were "promoting climate change" sloppy writing,
at best.
Sorry to offend all the delicate sensitivities out there (not directed
at you, Matt :)
Bill "as Joe Biden says, 'gird your loins'" S.
Tim McNamara
<758e3107-1fc4-477c...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> As for polar animals, some say that ice masses are GROWING nowadays
> (http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm,
Some say the Earth is flat, too. That the facts are otherwise fails to
penetrate their willful ignorance. Is that who you want to be like,
Bill?
Of course, *winter* is coming so in the very near term the northern
polar ice cap will be growing...
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html, etc. etc.
> etc.) -- certainly the Antarctic is -- but that's not to deny issues
> with climate change; only that it's not ALL necessarily our fault.
There are a few places where the Antarctic ice and snow pack is growing,
but overall the ice shelfs are thinning rapidly- faster than predicted
by all but the most pessimistic models.
Whether it's all our fault is moot, Bill. Our contribution to it must
be modified and remediated- unless you don't give a fuck about your
children and your grandchildren's quality of life. Or perhaps you
prefer the "I got mine, you get yours" mantra that lies at the core of
the modern Republican Party.
> (Why is Mars warming? That man-made, too?)
It's cooling, actually, being that Martian winter is coming. The
interesting thing is that the Sun is at it's lowest output and has been
dropping in terms of total solar irradiance while the Earth has been
warming at a record rate. The increase in high-altitude particulates
from industrial pollution has also acted to block IR radiation from
reaching the lower atmosphere. It's possible that the greenhouse effect
is actually twice as great as the temperature measurements show. This
will accelerate as warming de-sequesters methane from the northern
latitude permafrosts and from methane sinks in the ocean- this is
already being seen off the coast of Siberia.
"Drill, baby, drill" is absolutely the wrong answer from a political
party with little but wrong answers. "Innovate, baby, innovate" is the
challenge we need to be taking up.
Michael Press
<758e3107-1fc4-477c...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 11:39 am, MattB <somedud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> > > On Oct 23, 8:18 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >> ...see if you can spot it:
> >
> > >>http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
> >
> > > Nobody got it. It said they're /promoting/ climate change. Sounds
> > > like it's a good thing!
> >
> > Actually I did see that headline and thought it didn't look right but I
> > thought you were referring to something else.
> >
> > > Bill "animals and plants thrive in warm temps; too bad the earth has
> > > been cooling for a decade" S.
> >
> > Except polar animals like polar bears, penguins, and of course tundra
> > flora. Around here it's the Pica, a small rodent that lives above
> > treeline that seems to be threatened the most by warming. It wouldn't
> > seem significant except they are a foundation of the food chain and die
> > if it stays above 85 for any significant period of time.
>
> They said the caribou (sp? -- damn Google interface) would die out
> after the Alaska Pipeline went in. Population has more than
> quintupled since then.
They like hanging out in the lee of the pipeline,
and the crude has to be heated to get it to flow,
making the exterior of the pipeline warm.
--
Michael Press
andre...@aol.com
> ...see if you can spot it:
>
> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
Welcome back.
andre...@aol.com
> In article
> <eb279de0-eb96-41cb-8f19-e645430aa...@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
That is too confusing, with weird graphs and numbers, and it requires
too much reading to understand. I prefer Bill's succint message to
apeace my fears about global warming and dissmiss all the sience mumbo
jumbo.
I am glad that Bill is back to set things straight.
_
[Hey - we alrady know about Bill's prowess with numbers:]
"When I divide 180000 by 300000000 I get 0.006. Every time."
That's how red-blooded 'muricans deal with inconvenient facts - bloody well
re-write the laws of mathematics. See - all better now.
Um, we're still working on thet dammed pi thing...
Bill Sornson
I composed a brilliant reply to this yesterday; guess it got lost.
They said the caribou would die out due to the Alaskan Pipeline going
in. Population has more than quintupled since then. (Also, Arctic
and certainly Antarctic ice masses are growing nowadays -- just Google
the terms for links from NASA and other objective sources.)
No one wants the Pica to die off; just not convinced that ALL of
climate change is ALL man's fault. (Why is MARS getting warmer, for
example. Is that our doing, too?)
I simply thought that the story -- with cycling content -- was funny
in that it's just one of many examples of people protesting (or
"promoting") global warming running in to record low temps for their
events. (And yes, the writer of the article was sloppy to suggest
that the riders were "promoting climate change" -- just add the word
"awareness" for gawdsake.)
Besides everything else, it's fun to poke at the all-too-delicate
sensitivities out there (not meaning you, Matt, of course :)
Bill Sornson
> Whether it's all our fault is moot, Bill. Our contribution to it must
> be modified and remediated
Bzzt. Got it. It's doesn't if we're causing it, but it's certain
that we can fix it.
Very logical there, Timmy.
Keep on regulatin' 'n restrictin', Senator Government!
Bill Sornson
>
> - Show quoted text -
Want another? If there's a Democrat president, house and senate,
suddenly all the anger at "government inaction" will disappear. (Ask
yourself what Gore did as VP for 8 years. Answer: Nut 'n Honey.)
Bill "glad I could help" S.
Bill Sornson
> In article
> <758e3107-1fc4-477c-ac75-88da66f75...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
And the population has thrived mightily.
Bill "much to the chagrin of doom 'n gloomers" S.
Bill Sornson
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yup, still use that old Home Federal calculator to keep track of
massive market losses in anticipation of coming Dem-accelerated
depression. It won't accommodate the number of zeros above still, but
works fine for my paltry hundreds of thousands.
How many degrees has the earth cooled since 1998, when hundreds of
poor, mostly minority Chicagoans perished in the summer heat? (What,
you don't remember the helicopter overhead shots and 24/7 news
coverage about Clinton's inaction and indifference?!? Oh, wait...)
But Flailor knows better than NASA, the founder of the Weather
Channel, leading meteorologists and climatologists, because it's
"settled by consensus". What a Kool-aid drinking maroon...
MattB
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
There's always an exception to be found somewhere (caribou) or a
scientist or two who interpret the data differently from the majority.
But when the majority of mainstream climate scientists and respected
scientific journals think something is very likely, with a mountain of
supporting evidence, I'm inclined to agree with them. Worst case
scenario for following their lead when they are wrong is extra effort
and expense for nothing (or for less at stake than we thought). Worst
case for ignoring them is a global crisis of flood, famine, drought, and
widespread suffering.
To me, the choice is obvious even if I'm only 99% sure it's the right one.
Matt
Tom Sherman
veto on economic policy for almost 14 years, and Sorni is still blaming
the Democrats? I suppose if Hoover had been re-elected, everything would
be fine.
> How many degrees has the earth cooled since 1998, when hundreds of
> poor, mostly minority Chicagoans perished in the summer heat? (What,
> you don't remember the helicopter overhead shots and 24/7 news
> coverage about Clinton's inaction and indifference?!? Oh, wait...)
>
Sorni confuses normal short-term variations with a long-term trend.
> But Flailor knows better than NASA,
Google "James Hansen". <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen>
> the founder of the Weather
> Channel, leading meteorologists and climatologists, because it's
> "settled by consensus". What a Kool-aid drinking maroon...
What leading climatologists that are not on the hydrocarbon extraction
payroll (directly or indirectly)?
Bill Sornson
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:49:03 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sornson> You got that right Bill. No regulation is good regulation.
> Corporations know what's best for America. I mean, look at all the
> good that's come from deregulating banking! (don't take my word for
> it, go read what Greenspan, that ultra-liberal, said last week).
You don't know what you're talking about. Google "Burning Down the
House" video. Dare you.
Bill Sornson
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:36:15 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sornson
>
> <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 26, 8:00 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:49:03 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sornson
>
> >> <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >Keep on regulatin' 'n restrictin', Senator Government!
>
> >> You got that right Bill. No regulation is good regulation.
> >> Corporations know what's best for America. I mean, look at all the
> >> good that's come from deregulating banking! (don't take my word for
> >> it, go read what Greenspan, that ultra-liberal, said last week).
>
> >You don't know what you're talking about. Google "Burning Down the
> >House" video. Dare you.
>
> like Alan Greenspan.
Anonymous sniper has no guts -- what a shock! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487
Hurry before they ban it. Again.
Bill Sornson
wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
> > the founder of the Weather
> > Channel, leading meteorologists and climatologists, because it's
> > "settled by consensus". What a Kool-aid drinking maroon...
>
> What leading climatologists that are not on the hydrocarbon extraction
> payroll (directly or indirectly)?
John Coleman for one. Gore won't debate him...or anyone, of
course...for good reason.
It's all ideological. Period.
Tom Sherman
climatology.
> It's all ideological. Period.
Indeed (but not in the way Sorni intends it).
andre...@aol.com
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sornson> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=e...
>
> >Hurry before they ban it. Again.
>
> talking about?
What do you mean by propaganda? It was factual. it read like an
impartial economic analysis with footnotes and references. Don't let
the music and fast editing with fast clips going from one image to
another fool you. It is all well researched and documented and it was
right there for you in black and white. Problem is that the libs with
all their stats and science mumbo jumbo cannot distinguish real
research and facts from the important stuff which is that everything
is the fault of the libs. This includes the economy, the wars, the
failure of the wars, racism, sexism, poverty, and injustice. Palin is
here to solve all this and rid the world of libs, queers and recumbent
riders.
andre...@aol.com
One studies meteors and the other climate. Climate is the study of
long term trends. However, since the economy's collapse hit us like a
meteorite, pretty soon we won't have to worry about what will happen
in the next thirty years. What happens now is what matters.
Bill Sornson
>
> - Show quoted text -
I've never seen a weather person billed as a "climatologist"; it's
always "meteorologist". (Or, pretty woman with pleasant figure.)
As for the economy, it's a simple fact that the Bush Admin tried no
fewer than 17 times to regulate Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac -- with
overwhelming support from Republicans and blocked my near-unanimous
Democrats (it's all public record complete with video clips); and
indeed McCain co-sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have prevented
the subprime meltdown.
Facts are stubborn things, but when the media won't report them and
ideologues block them from collective consciousness, you get...well,
Obama/Biden. As ol' Joe says, "Gird your loins!" (Not reported much,
either, of course.)
MattB
> Palin is
> here to solve all this and rid the world of libs, queers and recumbent
> riders.
OK, I was going to stay out of this thread but I have to add a LOL for
that one!
Matt
andre...@aol.com
Yeah, the liberal media is at fault. They are owned by those liberal
megacorporations aol-time warner, verizon, Disney, GE, Murdock. The
advertisement money comes from other lib megacorps such as Monsanto,
Nabisco, Philip Morris, Nestle, GE, Texaco, Chevron etc. Yeah, all
these lib megacorporations who were always against regulation
prevented the republicans that always wanted to regulate the
corporations from doing so. As a result, the good republicans who
believe in controlling the corporations and taxing them were prevented
by the megacorporations and their media outlets to pass significant
regulations against corporate greed. We need Palin and McCain to keep
the greedy corporations in check and stop the libs from giving the
corporations free reign to destroy our economy. Its all there in black
and white. If you don't beleive me, look at the youtube video with the
loud music that proves so. Never mind the research, statistics,
articles, publications and other mumbo jumbo science facts that the
libs use to distort reality.
Jym Dyer
> John Coleman for one. Gore won't debate him...or anyone,
> of course...for good reason.
=v= Gore has of course debated. I've seen it on teevee.
=v= John Colemanis a teevee personality who just regurgitates
right-wing talking points, based on long-debunked arguments.
Gore has better things to do than waste his time on this loser
(not to mention act as if he's somehow *worth* debating).
=v= Indeed, the global warming denialist approach is basically
a whack-a-mole game to waste as much time possible. "Hey, what
about this?" Well, that was debunked in the 1980s; whack! "So
hey, what about that?" That was debunked in the 1990s; whack!
"You're forgetting about this!" That was debunked in the 1970s;
whack! "Okay, so what about that?" That was the same thing as
before, debunked in the 1980s; whack!
<_Jym_>
shrag...@hotmail.com
> How many degrees has the earth cooled since 1998, when hundreds of
> poor, mostly minority Chicagoans perished in the summer heat? (What,
> you don't remember the helicopter overhead shots and 24/7 news
> coverage about Clinton's inaction and indifference?!? Oh, wait...)
>
> But Flailor knows better than NASA...
What? "NASA?"
Please explain. I have some friends working in Atmospheric Sciences at
LaRC who would love to hear more about that.
According to "NASA," the global average temperature has gone up about
0.1 - 0.2 degrees since 1998.
andre...@aol.com
is going to rain tomorrow on TV. He reads weather maps and predicts
the weather. The climatologist is some lib who gets my tax money in
the form of a grant from that liberal entity NSF to study climate
changes over long periods of time and their impact on the environment.
The stupid lib will likely go to antartica or antartida and spend many
years observing the thickness of the ice, the size of glaciars, their
shifting patterns, migration of animals, and weather changes over many
years. They waste my tax money so that the can conduct research and
study facts that confuse us with science mumbo jumbo.
I only care about the meteorologist that tells me that it won't rain
tomorrow and that today is colder than a year ago at the same time.
So, as you can see, the planet is not getting hotter and the facts
that the climatologist report are lib nonsense.
Thank god for Palin who is going to stop funding climatologist as well
as fruit fly researchers. What kind of fruity idea is to research
fruit flies anyways. It sounds sacrilegious to me. The geneticists or
whatever you call them are these stupid libs that are trying turn
people into flies like they did to Jeff Glodblum. We don't need any
fruity stuff like that.
Thank god for Pallin who is going to stop the libs from controlling
the media and reporting all these research and facts that confuse us.
She is going to stop funding climatology and genetics and only support
meteorologist who tell us that it is going to be a sunny day tomorrow.
That and the 700 club.
Bill Sornson
Was talking about their satellite ice mass survey(s).
shrag...@hotmail.com
OK. Thanks.
I don't know enough about that one to comment, but that's the second
topic in the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory link I posted if you want
to see it from the source.
Frank Krygowski
Bill, you are clinging to your Global Warming viewpoint just as
strongly as you were clinging to your notions about Saddam's weapons
of mass destruction.
You never admitted your mistake then. I don't expect you to ever
admit this mistake either.
- Frank Krygowski
Bill Sornson
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/29/commons_climate_change_bill/
(60% of UK residents now doubt the effect of man on supposed GW?!?
Maybe there's hope after all...)
Bill Sornson
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>
> <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Bill, you are clinging to your Global Warming viewpoint just as
> >strongly as you were clinging to your notions about Saddam's weapons
> >of mass destruction.
>
> week he posted a bunch of tired links to justify the WMD nonsense.
Liar. You said NO ONE still claims something; I produced just a few
recent examples showing you wrong.
> >You never admitted your mistake then. I don't expect you to ever
> >admit this mistake either.
>
> He's completely brainwashed and incapable of logical thought or
> telling truth from fiction.
Pot, kettle, black.
andre...@aol.com
I think that SJM meant nobody mislead by libs fact, research and that
nonsense science mambo jumbo would cling to those notions. The few
republicans that, like you and I, don't let research, facts and other
lib science unchristian nonsense cloud our judgment know that Saddam
was hidding WMDs. He hid them so well that they haven't been found
yet.
Don't bother with the likes of SJM, Jobst or Tom Sherman. They are
queers anyways. Jobst rides components from the 70s obstructing
progress, TS rides a recumbent which is clear proof of anarchism and
devil worshiping; and finally, what kind of parent would name his
child Still Just Me? There is clearly something wrong with that dude.
Not to worry, Palin is going to evoke the power of Yaweh to straighten
out this queers. She is now invoking him in the language that only the
closest followers know to have him give McCain the victory.
John Forrest Tomlinson
>I think that SJM meant nobody mislead by libs fact, research and that
>nonsense science mambo jumbo would cling to those notions. The few
>republicans that, like you and I, don't let research, facts and other
>lib science unchristian nonsense cloud our judgment know that Saddam
>was hidding WMDs. He hid them so well that they haven't been found
>yet.
What I've come to realize about Sorni is that deep down he knows he's
stupid, though he doesn't really understand what that means. So he
gets a sort of rush from sparring with other people who are
demonstrably more logical and well-informed than he is and "beating"
them with dopey comments like "pot kettle black" or nutjob "research."
He doesn't understand what real inquiry or understanding or logic or
science mean, and so he thinks his stuff is at least equal to what's
thrown at him, and that pleases him in some way.
jobst....@stanfordalumni.org
It seems we are returning to the item that gets brought up here
occasionally:
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Jobst Brandt
andre...@aol.com
Yeah, I agree. It is all the libs with their facts, research, science
stuff, and all those footnotes on bottom of the pages of books in
small letters that don't get it and think that they do. They are the
ones that spend money in researching fruit flies in France. We
republicans get it. All we need is a video with loud music and lots of
editing. We know that that is where the truth lies. We don't let facts
and research confuse us. We know that Palin and Bill O'Rilley and Rush
have a line with god.
Tom Sherman
Yes Bill, because climatologists are NOT "weather persons" the way
meteorologists are.
Tom Sherman
> [...]
> Just for clarification, the meteorologist is the guy who tell us that
> is going to rain tomorrow on TV. He reads weather maps and predicts
Sorni likely watches the channel where the meteorologist is female with
well endowed mammary glands.
Tom Sherman
DI
"Tom Sherman" > Sorni likely watches the channel where the meteorologist is
> well endowed mammary glands.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
> If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.
What's wrong with that? At least he's a normal male, what do you watch a
male meteorologist with tight fitting pants?
andre...@aol.com
Remember, Tom rides a recumbent. I don't think that that makes him a
normal male.
Bill Sornson
> It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree on the
> human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
> scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some of
your .1%:
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
Bill Sornson
"31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021
with PhDs"
Read all about it! (You won't -- just like you refuse to be informed
about who really brought about the subprime debacle.)
Remember: "consensus" once said the earth was flat. You can't even
get THAT insult straight. LOL
Woland99
Hmmm.... so scientific facts are proven by popular opinion?
Vast majority of people believed at some point that Earth is
flat. Or in geocentric system. The role of science is to
correct the paradigm not to confirm superstitions of the
common men.
And yes global warming can lead to local cooling (drastic one)
if melting polar caps will change salinity of Atlantic and
ocean currents will move to another pattern.
BTW - I find it rather humorous to call environmentalism
"a hysterical pseudo-religion". Most religions (with possible
exception of Buddhism) ARE hysterical.
Bill Sornson
> On Oct 30, 10:09 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh those wacky Brits!
>
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/29/commons_climate_change_bill/
>
> > (60% of UK residents now doubt the effect of man on supposed GW?!?
> > Maybe there's hope after all...)
>
> Hmmm.... so scientific facts are proven by popular opinion?
Ask Still Clueless, who argues that "99.9%" believe something. HTH
> Vast majority of people believed at some point that Earth is
> flat.
Thanks for proving MY point. The true flat-eartheders nowadays are
the "global warming consensus" crowd. Real agenda is political,
economic, ideological -- but NOT scientific.
Or in geocentric system. The role of science is to
> correct the paradigm not to confirm superstitions of the
> common men.
> And yes global warming can lead to local cooling (drastic one)
> if melting polar caps will change salinity of Atlantic and
> ocean currents will move to another pattern.
> BTW - I find it rather humorous to call environmentalism
> "a hysterical pseudo-religion". Most religions (with possible
> exception of Buddhism) ARE hysterical.
Like global warming alarmists. Thanks again.
OK, off to ride. Nice temperate day!
Jay Beattie
"Bill Sornson" <so...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 10:03 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:56 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>
> > It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree on
> > the
> > human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
> > scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
>
> You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some of
> your .1%:
>
> http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
"31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021
with PhDs"
Some dead, apparently -- like Teller, who died in 2003.
What I have learned over the last twenty years is that you can find an
expert who will say anything -- pro or con. Expert opinions are held
for any number of reasons and not just because they are correct in
some absolute sense. However, there is usually a prevailing opinion,
and when someone deviates from that opinion, it generally indicates a
strong personal agenda -- a political agenda, an emotional agenda, a
financial agenda -- or that the expert is not as smart as he/she
thinks and simply got the answer wrong. Or, in the VERY rare case, the
expert proves that the prevailing opinion is wrong, e.g., the flat
earth scenario. As for the last case, those kinds of scientific
epiphanies usual come as the result of careful work -- large scale
studies by reputable institutions -- or the development of new
information, like Magellan actually sailing around the world, or a
flash of genius, like Einstein and relativity (if you believe his
press). They usually are not produced by arm chair scientists, no
matter how many petitions they sign.
So applying this algorithm, I discount the faceless signers since
there is no way of knowing whether they have an agenda, whether they
are wrong and don't know it or whether they have conducted careful
scientific analysis and have proved that the prevailing opinion is
wrong. I discounted Teller right off the top because, my God, he
wanted to blow a harbor in Alaska with an H-bomb! He made Sarah Palin
look like an eco-terrorist! -- Jay Beattie.
Woland99
> > Vast majority of people believed at some point that Earth is
> > flat.
>
> Thanks for proving MY point. The true flat-eartheders nowadays are
> the "global warming consensus" crowd. Real agenda is political,
> economic, ideological -- but NOT scientific.
Nice try. Should I spell it to you or write in BIG letters?
Vast majority of people (not scientists) believed at some
point in geocentric system. What you are saying is that
Copernicus or Kepler should just abandon their foolish
pursuit of truth because "it was obvious that Sun revolves
around the Earth and not otherwise" ?
Give me ONE proof that "real agenda" is ideological.
Proof that there is some sort of "conspiracy" of scientists
to create climate change scare. To me climate change corporate
naysayers are like people on Titanic that would argue that
icebergs are just optical illusion - and all that they really
would care about was to rob the safe boxes before the ship goes down.
Bill Sornson
> "Bill Sornson" <so...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:de232b4f-32c4-4d87...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 10:03 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:56 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>
> > > It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree on
> > > the
> > > human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
> > > scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
>
> > You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some of
> > your .1%:
>
> >http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
>
> "31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021
> with PhDs"
>
> Some dead, apparently -- like Teller, who died in 2003.
Two-second search:
"In a group of more than 30,000 people, deaths are a frequent
occurrence. The Petition Project has no comprehensive method by which
it is notified about deaths of signatories. When we do learn of a
death, an "*" is placed beside the name of the signatory."
Unlike Ohio voters, the vast majority of these seem legit.
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GWPP/Qualifications_Of_Signers.html
Jay Beattie
On Oct 31, 12:04 pm, "Jay Beattie" <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <so...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:de232b4f-32c4-4d87...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 10:03 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:56 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>
> > > It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree
> > > on
> > > the
> > > human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
> > > scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
>
> > You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some
> > of
> > your .1%:
>
> >http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
>
> "31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including
> 9,021
> with PhDs"
>
> Some dead, apparently -- like Teller, who died in 2003.
Two-second search:
"In a group of more than 30,000 people, deaths are a frequent
occurrence. The Petition Project has no comprehensive method by which
it is notified about deaths of signatories. When we do learn of a
death, an "*" is placed beside the name of the signatory."
Well, it's not so much that he's dead, it's that he died five years
ago -- and god only knows when he signed that petition or why or what
the state of the art was when he signed it. The same can be said of
everyone who signed, and that's the problem. It's all hearsay with no
cross examination. -- Jay Beattie
Bill Sornson
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'll let you search when the petition was started. (Hint: Kyoto.)
Tom Sherman
> On Oct 31, 10:03 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 10:56 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree on the
>>> human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
>>> scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
>> You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some of
>> your .1%:
>>
>> http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
>
> "31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021
> with PhDs"
Does not Mikey V have a PhD?
Tom Sherman
Bill Sornson
wrote:
Yeah, in salsa preferences among ethnic groups! LOL
OK, let's just listen to the 22,051 signees who are just "regular"
scientific experts. (Hell, let Al Gore throw a dart and debate just
ONE of 'em. Why won't he engage Christopher Horner or Steven Milloy
or Michael Crichton or...? What are the GW Alarmists afraid of?!?)
Tom Sherman
> On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 10:03 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 27, 10:56 am, Still Just Me <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> It doesn't matter to Snorti that 99.9% of all scientists agree on the
>>>>> human role in global warming. He found the .1% of Republican
>>>>> scientists who disagree, and he's sticking with them.
>>>> You are so full of shit your eyes burn brown. Here are just some of
>>>> your .1%:
>>>> http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php
>>> "31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021
>>> with PhDs"
>>> [...]
>> Does not Mikey V have a PhD?
>>
>
> Yeah, in salsa preferences among ethnic groups! LOL
>
> OK, let's just listen to the 22,051 signees who are just "regular"
> scientific experts. (Hell, let Al Gore throw a dart and debate just
> ONE of 'em. Why won't he engage Christopher Horner or Steven Milloy
> or Michael Crichton or...? What are the GW Alarmists afraid of?!?)
Since when did Al Gore become a climate expert? I thought he was a
political opportunist.
Tom Sherman
>> "Tom Sherman" > Sorni likely watches the channel where the meteorologist is
>> female with
>>
>>> well endowed mammary glands.
Please Honor The Signature Separator.
>> What's wrong with that? At least he's a normal male, what do you watch a
>> male meteorologist with tight fitting pants?
>
> Remember, Tom rides a recumbent. I don't think that that makes him a
> normal male.
Yeah, it is the upright male cyclists that display their posteriors
covered in stretch fabric, while the recumbent rider sits modestly on a
seat.
A fairing provides even more modesty:
<http://www.bicycleman.com/recumbents/lightning/images/lightning_f40_race_lg.jpg>.
Tom Keats
Tom Sherman <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
>>> What's wrong with that? At least he's a normal male, what do you watch a
>>> male meteorologist with tight fitting pants?
>>
>> Remember, Tom rides a recumbent. I don't think that that makes him a
>> normal male.
>
> Yeah, it is the upright male cyclists that display their posteriors
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, I'm not /always/ upright. Just when I'm in the mood.
Or when I wake up in the morning.
> covered in stretch fabric, while the recumbent rider sits modestly on a
> seat.
>
> A fairing provides even more modesty:
One could slouch totally hidden within the coffin-like
confines of a velomobile, too. OTOH, those things
look a little too phallically ... compensating.
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
Bill Sornson
And as such (the latter) he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize! The
Brits (again) are way out in front declaring what a travesty that
really was.
A Muzi
'Nobel Peace Prize':
Prime criterion lately being 'stick a thumb in the eye of the USA'
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Bill Sornson
Bingo. (After siphoning it for billions more, of course.)
Bill "OK, last Google Groups post -- thanks for letting me know about
Motzarella (threaded the way God intended)" S.
Frank Krygowski
>
>
> OK, let's just listen to the 22,051 signees who are just "regular"
> scientific experts.
As proven by... what?
A lot of us got that article and petition at work. It was a mass
mailing trolling for any signatures possible. My secretary might have
signed it. If they don't tell you who trash-canned it after reading,
you know nothing.
And I knew one PhD who probably did sign it. His research and
expertise was in design of brick buildings, specifically lintel
reinforcements. He listened to Rush Limbaugh in his office. Which
characteristic do you think was more important in his decision to
sign: the effect of global warming on lintels, or his fervent right-
wing leaning?
- Frank Krygowski
Frank Krygowski
>
> Bill "OK, last Google Groups post ...
Typical BS strategy: post, lose debate, run.
Say, Bill, how about all those weapons of mass destruction?
- Frank Krygowski
Bill Sornson
> On Nov 1, 3:22 pm, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill "OK, last Google Groups post ...
>
> Typical BS strategy: post, lose debate, run.
Typical Frank dishonesty -- DELETE the part where I said I was switching to
Motzarella. (Do you speak Spanish, Frank? You could make an Obama ad!
LOL )
> Say, Bill, how about all those weapons of mass destruction?
All that yellow cake shit? Shhhh. It's in Canada now. (Google is your
friend, Frank. But only if you're open to things that oppose your ideology.
IOW, forget it.)
Bill "took all of 5 minutes to see it's time to add filters again" S.
jim beam
> On Nov 1, 3:22 pm, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill "OK, last Google Groups post ...
>
> Typical BS strategy: post, lose debate, run.
how apt for you to make that comment to this thread krygowski!!! tell us
professor, why do race cars run on skinny tires?
fraudulent idiot.
Bill Sornson
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sornson
> <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> to keep track of
>> massive market losses in anticipation of coming Dem-accelerated
>> depression.
>
> That's too laughable to respond to directly. You really need an
> intervention where they de-program you.
Thanks for tacit agreement with all you snipped! LOL
Bill Sornson
Ask the British judge who ruled that there were no fewer than NINE DISTINCT
LIES AND DISTORTIONS just in An Inconvenient Lie, and that school children
forced to endure a viewing were entitle to -- no, make that must be shown --
the truth. And that's just one example on one stupid movie (hardly a
"documentary", but the cartoons were pretty).
HTH
Bill Sornson
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:56:22 -0700, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>> dishonestly snipped part):
>>> Bill "OK, last Google Groups post ...
>> Typical BS strategy: post, lose debate, run.
> how apt for you to make that comment to this thread krygowski!!!
> tell us professor, why do race cars run on skinny tires?
>
> fraudulent idiot.
He's a liar, too.
Bill "Frank wins honorary First Plonk Award in record short time" S.
Bill Sornson
> On Oct 23, 9:18 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> ...see if you can spot it:
>>
>> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
>
> Welcome back.
Thanks (I think).
Roadrunner dropped Usenet, so I tried Google Groups for a while. Then my
buggy computer wouldn't let me log on to that, so enjoyed a glorious few
months not reading these damned things. Made me realize what a time-waster
it is.
Then fiddled with settings (Active X crap and "scripts" and the like) and
got back on. GG interface is too hard to follow after using threaded
reader, so was hit and miss at most. Then someone mentioned Motzarella --
bingo-bango -- here I am. (Pretty sure you can blame Carl for it :) )
Got rid of my entire Blocked Senders list, so have that to rebuild. Frank
grabbed first spot after very first post! LOL
Helmets, politics, tapers...anything new around here?
Bill "flame lite intentions" S.
Jay Beattie
> jim beam wrote:
> > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:56:22 -0700, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 1, 3:22 pm, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote (in small,
> >> dishonestly snipped part):
> >>> Bill "OK, last Google Groups post ...
> >> Typical BS strategy: post, lose debate, run.
> > how apt for you to make that comment to this thread krygowski!!!
> > tell us professor, why do race cars run on skinny tires?
>
> > fraudulent idiot.
>
> He's a liar, too.
And he hates children and eats kittens,too. This is sounding like the
race between the two senate candidates in Oregon (Smith/Merkley). --
Jay Beattie.
andre...@aol.com
> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Oct 23, 9:18 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >> ...see if you can spot it:
>
> >>http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
>
> > Welcome back.
>
> Thanks (I think).
I meant it. While I don't agree with much of what you say about
politics, I don't mind you having a different opinion at all. It makes
the group more fun. I kind of miss Mark. I really liked the dude even
though I thought that his politics where all messed up.
Bill Sornson
> On Nov 1, 2:44 pm, "Bill Sornson" <As...@Ask.Me.Org> wrote:
>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 23, 9:18 am, Bill Sornson <so...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> ...see if you can spot it:
>>
>>>> http://www.wktv.com/news/local/32477839.html
>>
>>> Welcome back.
>>
>> Thanks (I think).
>
> I meant it. While I don't agree with much of what you say about
> politics, I don't mind you having a different opinion at all. It makes
> the group more fun. I kind of miss Mark. I really liked the dude even
> though I thought that his politics where all messed up.
It's a shame that he was run out of here due to character assassination.
Just like "Joe the Plumber", except that government files/resources weren't
used on Mark (AFAIK). Now we have daily reporters (not columnists) thrown
off planes, an ABC camera crew being arrested for showing who attended a
meeting, lawsuits threatened over /opinions/ expressed, etc.
Scary times.
BS (not)
andre...@aol.com
He chose to leave. People make choices. I don't think that anyone
assassinated his character, they simply disagreed with him. the one
whose character is being assassinated on a daily basis is Tom Sherman
that has been called all kind of things by jb and also by some strange
character called Ed, the great Saint of something or other. Yet, after
a weekly dose of insults, he still perdures. So do Tim and Frank who
get a dose of weekly insults from an obsessed stalker along with Jobst
for their "lack of engineering knowledge." Passionate discussions
about politics are not character assassination.
Mark left because he was bored with the same arguments, plain and
simple.
Bill Sornson
Bzzt. I actually corresponded with him. (Still do, occasionally.) Final
straw IIRC was when someone took a comment completely out of context and
said he advocates torture. Why should a businessman subject himself to such
slander when customers and potential customers and rivals can see it?
Common practice of a certain side nowadays (you just did it at the end of
that boilerplate post with blatant lies about Palin).
BS (not)
John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
>Final
>straw IIRC was when someone took a comment
> completely out of context and
>said he advocates torture.
A. The final straw was when he threatened to sue that person (me) and
then he realized he's completely lost it. His choice.
B. It wasn't "out of context", unless you think that if the US does
it, it's not torture.
C. He did advocate torture.
Bill Sornson
Has the Congress declared that waterboarding is torture yet? (Wasn't there
a bill proposed last year? Didn't it fail?) Christopher Hitchens and a Fox
reporter, among others, have had it done to them; along with hundreds of
government agents as part of their training.
Write your representative and kwitcher whining.
Bill "flogger lives" S.